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TheBigLebowski
06-15-2009, 11:38 AM
Off-day...I know a trade is unlikely...but will we see any call-ups/send-downs? Any meaningful updates on Votto/EE? Or will we just continue to march out this Mudville 9 less a Mighty Casey?

FlyingPig
06-15-2009, 11:57 AM
I miss Casey...

Ghosts of 1990
06-15-2009, 12:05 PM
I'm just hoping Jay Bruce doesn't get sent down. And obviously I'm hoping that Votto or Edwin's return is anounced but I think that is wishful thinking.

GIDP
06-15-2009, 12:08 PM
I think we will see a bunch of nothing. This team has talent to win, some of its injured, some of its doing god knows what, and the rest of it is slumping.

There are obvious problems, mainly CF and SS, but they cant trade for upgrades because their isnt much out there, and they wont trade for upgrades because they think the guys they got are just "in a slump"

Jharb74
06-15-2009, 12:25 PM
It's funny how the Reds have needed good pitching for years and years, and now that they have it, they forgot about the offense.

Newman4
06-15-2009, 12:38 PM
I think they are trying to keep status quo as long as they are less than 5 games out. Unfortunately, I think they will regret not moving forward to put some more wins up early in the season in such as mediocre division thus far. Almost like settling for field goals instead of touchdown early in a football game.

Griffey012
06-15-2009, 12:41 PM
I think we will see a bunch of nothing. This team has talent to win, some of its injured, some of its doing god knows what, and the rest of it is slumping.

There are obvious problems, mainly CF and SS, but they cant trade for upgrades because their isnt much out there, and they wont trade for upgrades because they think the guys they got are just "in a slump"

AGon is actually batting .252 since May 1st after his horrid start, that is about the kinda average I am guessing management expected from him when they signed him. The Problem is he is not drawing any walks, but I would guess that is almost as much AGon as it is who we have in our lineup right now.

GIDP
06-15-2009, 12:45 PM
AGon is actually batting .252 since May 1st after his horrid start, that is about the kinda average I am guessing management expected from him when they signed him. The Problem is he is not drawing any walks, but I would guess that is almost as much AGon as it is who we have in our lineup right now.

Well its not like Agon is that good of a career hitter anyways. Hes only drawn 228 walks in 4500+ PA.

Its just I think they think he is a better than he really is with the bat. I think a .240/.280/.330 line is about as much as we should/expect from him.

BluegrassRedleg
06-15-2009, 01:02 PM
They're going to sit on their hands until it's too late like they always do, then become sellers. Same as it ever was...

Red in Atl
06-15-2009, 01:14 PM
I'm not sure it would be something terrible for Jay to sent down. It happens to most players in their early years. He needs some success. Grinding day after day, trying to force something to happen just isn't getting it done.

Sometimes I wonder if his first couple weeks in the bigs last year is still stuck in his head somehow. He made it look too easy, and he really hasn't hit well since. It's really hard to watch him attempt to hit right now. And yes he does make some hard outs. But an out is an out. I don't see Puhols crying about his "hard hit outs", which is about all of the outs he makes.

Then again, it's embarrassing to watch any of them hit right now. I actually had to turn the game off yesterday after that pathetic 3rd innning.

It just amazed me how these guys can be so good one week, and so horrific the next. I mean the extremes are just unbelievable.

Maybe Jay and Joey need to both go back to Triple AAA for a reality check. Spend a couple of weeks riding buses and eating fast food. Jay just might find his stroke real quick, and maybe Votto will realize that being a MLB player isn't as stressful as he thought.

JoeyGears76
06-15-2009, 01:30 PM
There are obvious problems, mainly CF and SS...

Gonzo is tied with Nix for 3rd on the Reds in hits (10) for the month of June. Plus, how many baserunners does Gonzo prevent with his glove? If SS is a problem for the Reds, I'd take that problem any day.

REDSEER
06-15-2009, 01:55 PM
With regards to moves on this off day, there are two sides of me:

One side says something NEEDS to be done. Coming off of the bad offensive showings in Washington and Kansas City, new blood must be brought in to try to jumpstart the offense. Send one pitcher down (Burton or Fisher?) and bring up either Sutton or Stubbs. If a 40-man roster spot is needed, put Bill Bray on the 60-day DL.

While this alternative may make the casual fan happy, is it really going to help? Is Sutton or Stubbs really going to make a dramitic difference? Looking back, Rosales was going to save the offense about a month ago after OPSing 1.233 at Louisville (now at 0.611 with the Reds). Will Drew Sutton, who is OPSing 0.907, be able to jumpstart this offense? I don't really think so.

Unfortunately in this situation, I'm not sure the Reds can win. If they make a move, the player will (most likely) not be ready to be THE guy that saves the Reds offense. If they don't make a move, then the fanbase is outraged.

Being Walt sure can't be that easy.

GIDP
06-15-2009, 02:15 PM
Gonzo is tied with Nix for 3rd on the Reds in hits (10) for the month of June. Plus, how many baserunners does Gonzo prevent with his glove? If SS is a problem for the Reds, I'd take that problem any day.

I dont look at half a month when I come to my conclusions. Plus its not like his OPS is through the roof so far in June. Its at .558.

Griffey012
06-15-2009, 02:21 PM
Well its not like Agon is that good of a career hitter anyways. Hes only drawn 228 walks in 4500+ PA.

Its just I think they think he is a better than he really is with the bat. I think a .240/.280/.330 line is about as much as we should/expect from him.

That is about right, I would just expect for a little bit more pop out of him maybe to a tune of .380 slugging.

Griffey012
06-15-2009, 02:22 PM
With regards to moves on this off day, there are two sides of me:

One side says something NEEDS to be done. Coming off of the bad offensive showings in Washington and Kansas City, new blood must be brought in to try to jumpstart the offense. Send one pitcher down (Burton or Fisher?) and bring up either Sutton or Stubbs. If a 40-man roster spot is needed, put Bill Bray on the 60-day DL.

While this alternative may make the casual fan happy, is it really going to help? Is Sutton or Stubbs really going to make a dramitic difference? Looking back, Rosales was going to save the offense about a month ago after OPSing 1.233 at Louisville (now at 0.611 with the Reds). Will Drew Sutton, who is OPSing 0.907, be able to jumpstart this offense? I don't really think so.

Unfortunately in this situation, I'm not sure the Reds can win. If they make a move, the player will (most likely) not be ready to be THE guy that saves the Reds offense. If they don't make a move, then the fanbase is outraged.

Being Walt sure can't be that easy.

If you think back, when Rosales first got called up he provided a spark to the offense a bit, and then he quickly regressed. I could see Sutton providing a bit of a spark for a week or two and then regressing like Rosales, which at this point I am fine with we just can't leave him up here for too long like Rosales.

GOYA
06-15-2009, 02:22 PM
Last 7 Days:

Batting Statistics

NAME GP BA OBP SLG OPS
Jonny Gomes 6 .353 .450 .706 1.156
Alex Gonzalez 6 .318 .360 .409 .769
B. Phillips 6 .250 .280 .292 .572
Ryan Hanigan 5 .250 .368 .313 .681
J. Hairston Jr. 4 .188 .235 .188 .423
Jay Bruce 6 .182 .250 .364 .614
C. Dickerson 4 .143 .143 .143 .286
Adam Rosales 3 .111 .273 .111 .384
Laynce Nix 5 .071 .188 .071 .259
R. Hernandez 6 .048 .130 .190 .321
Willy Taveras 5 .000 .000 .000 .000

It's a big job.

GIDP
06-15-2009, 02:24 PM
That is about right, I would just expect for a little bit more pop out of him maybe to a tune of .380 slugging.

Yea looking back I was going to edit in .350 but yea still its not good even if he does .380.

Considering his career average is .690.

GIDP
06-15-2009, 02:25 PM
Last 7 Days:

Batting Statistics

NAME GP BA OBP SLG OPS
Jonny Gomes 6 .353 .450 .706 1.156
Alex Gonzalez 6 .318 .360 .409 .769
B. Phillips 6 .250 .280 .292 .572
Ryan Hanigan 5 .250 .368 .313 .681
J. Hairston Jr. 4 .188 .235 .188 .423
Jay Bruce 6 .182 .250 .364 .614
C. Dickerson 4 .143 .143 .143 .286
Adam Rosales 3 .111 .273 .111 .384
Laynce Nix 5 .071 .188 .071 .259
R. Hernandez 6 .048 .130 .190 .321
Willy Taveras 5 .000 .000 .000 .000

It's a big job.

Yep

GIDP
06-15-2009, 02:30 PM
Sutton has a little bit different skill set than Rosales. Sutton has a better eye, and has shown a little more LD% in the minors than Rosales normally does.

aubashbrother
06-15-2009, 02:31 PM
Fay suggested he thought they might make a move but he said it was just a hunch

BluegrassRedleg
06-15-2009, 02:40 PM
Even a superficial move gives the appearance of doing something. Ordinarily, I'd roll my eyes at that, but this club needs a change to shake things up.

REDSEER
06-15-2009, 02:43 PM
I agree in the fact that doing something is better than doing nothing at this point, i.e. bringing Sutton/Stubbs up.

That is UNLESS the organization has other plans (Votto/EE returning soon)

Ghosts of 1990
06-15-2009, 04:06 PM
I just fet the feeling SOMETHING is gonna go down today. Not a trade but a roster move or something. I don't think they'll bring up Stubbs unless he's going to play everyday. And the outfield is already clogged with guys not doing their jobs. Fill in the blank.

xavr1
06-15-2009, 04:35 PM
Maybe the something that will happen is an announcement that Joey Votto (gasp!) is finally going to return.

GIDP
06-15-2009, 04:36 PM
Maybe the something that will happen is an announcement that Joey Votto (gasp!) is finally going to return.

I think they have made it quite clear he wont be back for some time.

Red in Atl
06-15-2009, 05:44 PM
I think they have made it quite clear he wont be back for some time.

I find this whole thing just crazy. I wish we knew what the problem was. It's the whole not knowing that bothers me. Not that I should know, but if your job is to play baseball and you are physically able to play, why aren't you?

He's my favorite player on the Reds, but can you imagine what his team mates would be saying if he played 20 years ago? My fear is that the guy won't play again period.

I just wish we knew something substantial.

xavr1
06-15-2009, 05:48 PM
I think they have made it quite clear he wont be back for some time.

Have they? I havent heard one straightforward report about his return date. "Clear" would not be the word I would use to describe his pending status.

Dusty = "We're not going to put any timetable on him."
Fay = "The biggest question is still when will Joey Votto return."

Doesnt sound like anyone knows much. I dont expect him back this week, but I wouldnt be shocked if he was back within the next 10-14 days.

GIDP
06-15-2009, 06:02 PM
Have they? I havent heard one straightforward report about his return date. "Clear" would not be the word I would use to describe his pending status.

Dusty = "We're not going to put any timetable on him."
Fay = "The biggest question is still when will Joey Votto return."

Doesnt sound like anyone knows much. I dont expect him back this week, but I wouldnt be shocked if he was back within the next 10-14 days.

Thats pretty much what I mean. They dont expect him back tomorrow, they said hes going to have to rehab in AAA before he rejoins the club. I think its safe to say hes going to be gone for a couple weeks still. That would make it almost a month with out him.

TheBigLebowski
06-15-2009, 06:18 PM
Well, it's past 5 and nothing has happened so, probably nothing is going to happen.

Exciting stuff.

texasdave
06-15-2009, 06:28 PM
Well, it's past 5 and nothing has happened so, probably nothing is going to happen.

Exciting stuff.

When a team is going well you don't want to rock the boat. :)

JoeyGears76
06-15-2009, 07:49 PM
I dont look at half a month when I come to my conclusions. Plus its not like his OPS is through the roof so far in June. Its at .558.

And I don't look at only a guy's offensive numbers when I come to my conclusions. There's this little thing called defense... ever heard of it?

GIDP
06-15-2009, 07:53 PM
And I don't look at only a guy's offensive numbers when I come to my conclusions. There's this little thing called defense... ever heard of it?
So you only look at defense?

JoeyGears76
06-15-2009, 08:06 PM
So you only look at defense?

You shouldn't be on a forum if you can't read. Like it says... I don't look only at offensive numbers.

GIDP
06-15-2009, 08:26 PM
You shouldn't be on a forum if you can't read. Like it says... I don't look only at offensive numbers.

oh I was just making sure because Gonzalez is pretty close to having no offensive numbers. I was just wondering if you noticed that.

JoeyGears76
06-15-2009, 08:31 PM
oh I was just making sure because Gonzalez is pretty close to having no offensive numbers. I was just wondering if you noticed that.

He's doing fairly decent for an entire year being injured. I was just wondering if you remember that.

GIDP
06-15-2009, 09:03 PM
He's doing fairly decent for an entire year being injured. I was just wondering if you remember that.

Fairly decent? Id love to know what you consider bad if you think Alex Gonzales is fairly decent at the plate.

TheBigLebowski
06-15-2009, 10:03 PM
You shouldn't be on a forum if you can't read. Like it says... I don't look only at offensive numbers.

Can't you keep the discussion civil?