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OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 10:59 AM
Louisville - 11:45 - RHP Homer Bailey

Carolina - 7:15 - RHP Zach Stewart

Sarasota - 11:00 - RHP Matt Klinker

Dayton - 7:00 - RHP Juan Carlos Sulbaran

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 11:02 AM
It will be interesting to see how Bailey does today after throwing 118, 111, and 124 pitches in his last three starts.

bubbachunk
06-17-2009, 11:05 AM
It will be interesting to see how Bailey does today after throwing 118, 111, and 124 pitches in his last three starts.

Yep I am excited to see if he can keep on cruising or has a let down. Really as long as he has control though I wont be to worried regardless.

princeton
06-17-2009, 11:17 AM
Redszoners will be paying close attention to the exploits of Matt Klinker today.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 12:15 PM
It was just posted in the Sun Deck that Josh Roenicke is being called up to Cincinnati. The poster reported that it is in the Louisville Bats' game notes.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 12:20 PM
Klinker is perfect through 2 with 3 strike outs.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 12:24 PM
It was just posted in the Sun Deck that Josh Roenicke is being called up to Cincinnati. The poster reported that it is in the Louisville Bats' game notes.

Roenicke is still listed on the Bats roster but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if Lincoln takes his place.

Valaika has been activated as of today.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 12:29 PM
The Tides are throwing another top prospect at the Bats today. Jake Arrieta, 0-1 - 1.50 ERA

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 12:35 PM
Good to hear about Valaika. Hopefully he can have a strong second half.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 12:36 PM
Klinker is perfect through three.

3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K

JaxRed
06-17-2009, 12:40 PM
Klinker perfect thru 3 with 5 K's

Oops.....

Homer Bailey
06-17-2009, 12:40 PM
Phantom in the sun deck is reporting that Roenicke has been called up, and its in the louisville game notes...

GOYA
06-17-2009, 12:44 PM
Richar 2B .288
Stubbs CF .312
Sutton 1B .244
Barker DH .236
Bankston 3B .257
Dorn LF .226
McDonald RF .279
Bolivar SS .247
Tatum C .245

Bailey P

GIDP
06-17-2009, 12:46 PM
Bah my MILB.tv just ran out

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 12:53 PM
Klinker: 4 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 6 K

1-0 Sarasota after a Denis Phipps RBI single.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 12:55 PM
Bailey

1IP, 1H, 0K, 0BB

Inning ends on a caught stealing.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 12:58 PM
Tatum actually threw out Jolbert Cabrera. Why hes stealing who knows.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 01:04 PM
Stubbs got ahead 3-0, took two strikes to run the count full, fouled off a pitch and then struckout swinging.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 01:05 PM
Remember guys a RBI is a good thing but a DUI is not.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 01:07 PM
Klinker: 5 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 6 K

GIDP
06-17-2009, 01:13 PM
Bailey just threw one 93 according to the announcer so there is your MPH check for the day.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 01:16 PM
Bailey giving up hits to former Reds. Chad Moller gets a single

GIDP
06-17-2009, 01:18 PM
DP ends the inning. Sounded like a good play by Sutton to catch the throw from 2nd basebag.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 01:19 PM
Bailey giving up hits to former Reds. Chad Moller gets a single

But gets out of the inning by pulling a ... well... a YOU out of Melvin Dorta. No score and 2 hits allowed by Homer.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 01:20 PM
Bailey 2IP 2H 0R 0BB 0K

26 pitches 15 for strikes.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 01:21 PM
They also confirmed Josh Roenicke did get the call up. No moves by the Reds need to be made until the game time obviously so they didnt say who was getting moved.

dougdirt
06-17-2009, 01:22 PM
Bats announcers have indeed said that Roenicke has been called up. The Reds haven't made an official move yet, but don't have to until right before tonights Reds game.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 01:25 PM
Down knocks a double his eight of the season.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 01:26 PM
Down knocks a double his eight of the season.

That double raises his average for the month of June to .308. His OPS for the month of June is now .921.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 01:28 PM
Lincoln to be moved for a bag of chips and a soft drink to be named later. It would be fitting if that soft drink ended up being a Pepsi Throwback.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 01:28 PM
I obviously meant Dorn but still it was Danny Dorn with the double.

Bolivar then singled after a McDonald K scoring Dorn on a close play at home but they do say he did get in.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 01:33 PM
End of 2

Bats 1 Tides 0

GIDP
06-17-2009, 01:35 PM
Castillo left last nights game with "eye irritation" from getting dirt in it

FYI.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 01:36 PM
Klinker must have been on a strict pitch count as he was pulled with 2 outs in the top of the 6th with a man on second. Sarasota was leading 3-0 at the time. Final line for Klinker:
5 2/3 IP 4H 0R 0BB 7K

texasdave
06-17-2009, 01:37 PM
Castillo left last nights game with "eye irritation" from getting dirt in it

FYI.

I guess the old baseball adage "Just rub some dirt on it and suck it up" wouldn't necessarily apply here.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 01:39 PM
Bailey: 3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K

texasdave
06-17-2009, 01:39 PM
Bailey with a quick top of the third. One fly ball and two ground outs and we are on to the bottom of the third. A caught stealing couple with a double play ball results in Homer facing the minimum through three.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 01:39 PM
I dont know if anything important happened the last half inning I wasnt around the computer.

Bailey 3IP 2H 0R 0BB 0K

35 pitches 21 strikes.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 01:43 PM
Arrieta with 6 punchouts through three.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 01:45 PM
I dont know if anything important happened the last half inning I wasnt around the computer.


Only the most incredible play you'll ever see on a ground ball. It was simply amazing and I now firmly belive I can die a happy man. Sorry you missed it. :devil:

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 01:46 PM
96 MPH gas for the K from Homer.

dougdirt
06-17-2009, 01:47 PM
I type slow.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 01:48 PM
Homer just seems like a completely different pitcher after dumping the changeup in favor of his new splitter. Can't wait for his next callup.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 01:49 PM
Bailey finally gets his 1st K

4IP 2H 0R 1K 0BB.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 01:50 PM
More importantly only 44 pitches for Homer through 4. He used to get that at GABP in about 2 innings. His ERA for the year is now at 2.98. After his first couple of starts who would have thought that?

redhawk61
06-17-2009, 01:50 PM
ERA for the year at AAA down to 2.97 for Homer

CTA513
06-17-2009, 01:51 PM
Bailey finally gets his 1st K

4IP 2H 0R 1K 0BB.

Not many K's but he does have 7 ground outs through 4 innings.

redhawk61
06-17-2009, 01:55 PM
Through 4 today, Homer's last 5 starts, including this one, he has thrown 27.1 innings with a K/BB of 24/4!!! and about a 0.33 ERA. Also not including the two hits giving up today cause I don't fell like doing the math at the moment, in those starts, he is holding hitters to a .196 AVG If Homer can keep the walks down at the ML level, he will be the pitcher we always wanted

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 01:57 PM
Redhawk beat me to it. He may not have many k's today, but he's been racking them up this year. Pretty close to averaging one per inning IIRC. But as long as he's getting outs...I'm fine. (the groundball variety that he's getting today figure to work well in GABP)

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 01:57 PM
Dorn is 2-for-2 with a double.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 01:57 PM
Dorn with a single. I guess he didn't forget how to hit after all.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 01:57 PM
2-0 Bats after the botched DP.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 01:58 PM
Bats score after a double from Barker, Single from Dorn, then a FC from Mcdonald.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 01:59 PM
After Homer's meltdown and ejection in his second start of the season his ERA stood at 11.25. Since then (including today's action) his numbers look like this:

70 2/3 IP 64 H 16 ER 20 BB 60 K 2.04 ERA.

redhawk61
06-17-2009, 02:02 PM
How new is this splitter? Has he always had it but never threw it, or did he just learn it a few weeks ago

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 02:04 PM
How new is this splitter? Has he always had it but never threw it, or did he just learn it a few weeks ago

From what I gather it's very new. Just this season.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:04 PM
Kevin Goldstein had a little tidbit on Stubbs today and he thinks Stubbs should be manning CF for the Reds right now. He said many scouts think Stubbs is the best defensive outfielder in the minor leagues.

dougdirt
06-17-2009, 02:04 PM
How new is this splitter? Has he always had it but never threw it, or did he just learn it a few weeks ago

He only started throwing it in the game about 3 starts ago. Not sure how long he has been working on it in side sessions.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 02:04 PM
Tatum singles under the 3rd baseman's glove to plate 2 more. 4-0 Bats.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 02:05 PM
I gotta go for a bit

Bats having a big inning right now.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:11 PM
Homer gives up what looks like a bloop single according to Gameday. Moeller K's. Runner on first, one out in the 5th.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:13 PM
A groundout moves the runner to second. Two outs.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:14 PM
It looks like Michael Ynoa may possibly need Tommy John surgery.

dougdirt
06-17-2009, 02:15 PM
It looks like Michael Ynoa may possibly need Tommy John surgery.

Yeah, huge risk to sign 16 year old pitchers to big bonuses for this very reason. Good thing it was just the elbow though, better than a shoulder.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:15 PM
Bailey: 5 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K

texasdave
06-17-2009, 02:15 PM
No damage done in the top of the 5th. Homer with 2 k's.

medford
06-17-2009, 02:16 PM
Is that the kid the Reds offered a huge bonus to last year, only to see him sign w/ the A's?

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:17 PM
Yeah, huge risk to sign 16 year old pitchers to big bonuses for this very reason. Good thing it was just the elbow though, better than a shoulder.

I guess it's better to get it out of the way now. He'll still only be 18 years old when he returns.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 02:17 PM
Is that the kid the Reds offered a huge bonus to last year, only to see him sign w/ the A's?

I believe you are correct. Although I thought it was Inoa and not Ynoa.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:17 PM
Is that the kid the Reds offered a huge bonus to last year, only to see him sign w/ the A's?

Yep. I'd still love to have him in the Reds organization. I think the kid is going to be a star, TJ surgery or not.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 02:18 PM
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Bailey 5.0 3 0 0 0 3 0 2.94

Pitches-strikes: Bailey 61-42 - 69%

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:19 PM
Sarasota won 3-1.

Kahaulelio: 2-for-4 double, SB
Phipps: 2-for-4 double
Mesoraco: 0-for-4
Gregorius: 1-for-3

Klinker: 5.2 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 7 K

Del Rosario: 1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K

medford
06-17-2009, 02:19 PM
So now that Homer is throwing this spliter, what exactly is he throwing and throwing well? Has he completely scrapped the changeup?

redhawk61
06-17-2009, 02:21 PM
Stubbs singles

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:21 PM
Stubbs singled to lead off the bottom of the 5th.

dougdirt
06-17-2009, 02:21 PM
My radio feed died. Anyone else having issues?

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 02:22 PM
So now that Homer is throwing this spliter, what exactly is he throwing and throwing well? Has he completely scrapped the changeup?

That's what I read. Totally mothballed it. As for what he's throwing well....Doug's probably got a better idea than me.

bubbachunk
06-17-2009, 02:22 PM
My radio feed died. Anyone else having issues?

Yep same, said it was currently unavailable.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 02:23 PM
My radio feed died. Anyone else having issues?

Yep, same here.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:25 PM
Stubbs steals third base, his 25th SB of the season. He is great at stealing third base.

flyer85
06-17-2009, 02:25 PM
I have not been a Stubbs fan. Having said that he is putting together the kind of season he needs ... at this point I am hoping for a callup. I have seen enough of Willy T to last a lifetime.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 02:25 PM
Stubbs advanced to 2nd on the pickoff throwing error. And now he's swiped third. #25 for the year.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 02:26 PM
Bankston with a 2 bagger to plate Stubbs. 5-0 Bats, Dorn coming up.

aubashbrother
06-17-2009, 02:28 PM
the Tides radio feed is working i switched over to that cuz the bats stopped working

GOYA
06-17-2009, 02:28 PM
My radio feed died. Anyone else having issues?

Video dropped but it came back with a restart.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 02:29 PM
And that does it for Arrieta, Ross Wolf in to face Dorn

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 02:31 PM
Tides audio...http://asx.aicmail.net/mlb/tides.asx

Mario-Rijo
06-17-2009, 02:33 PM
Good grief that is a terrible lineup Homer is pitching to. No wonder he is dominating them. It's bad when your 3-4-5 is Jolbert Cabrera, Jeff Fiorentino and Chad Moeller, oddly enough those are the 3 hits he has surrendered.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 02:36 PM
Good grief that is a terrible lineup Homer is pitching to. No wonder he is dominating them. It's bad when your 3-4-5 is Jolbert Cabrera, Jeff Fiorentino and Chad Moeller, oddly enough those are the 3 hits he has surrendered.

That may be true, but that Norfolk team is a good one for AAA and Homer's been doing it for longer than just today. He's been pretty freaking dominant the past month or so. Back to back IL pitcher of the week IIRC.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:38 PM
Bailey gets a groundout to begin the 6th. Next batter walks and then he K's Gathright for the second time today. Two outs.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 02:38 PM
First free pass of the day from Homer, but he comes right back to strikeout the next batter....AND the next one to end the inning too.

5 k's now to the one BB. 6 innings of 3 hit shutout ball. REALLY nice to see. He's been racking up the innings too lately (with high pitchcounts)...looks like they're really trying to stretch him out this year.

Mario-Rijo
06-17-2009, 02:40 PM
That may be true, but that Norfolk team is a good one for AAA and Homer's been doing it for longer than just today. He's been pretty freaking dominant the past month or so. Back to back IL pitcher of the week IIRC.

I'm not trying to suggest anything about Homer he is dominating a lineup he should so that's fine. That said I don't think that lineup is a good one for AA let alone AAA. Not one good bat in that lineup. Joey Gathright and Fiorentino are the 2 best and neither can stick in any capacity at the major league level.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:40 PM
Another strikeout.

Bailey: 6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K, 79 pitches.

He has five K's in the last three innings.

aubashbrother
06-17-2009, 02:41 PM
Bailey ends inning with a K. Tides announcer said it looked like the splitter once again with plenty downward action

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 02:50 PM
After 6 full, 5-0 future Reds.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:56 PM
Homer allows a lead off single to Cabrera on an 0-2 pitch. Fiorentino struckout for the first out.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 02:58 PM
Moeller K's again. 7th K for Bailey. Two outs.

GIDP
06-17-2009, 03:00 PM
I wish I knew what bailey was throwing right now in terms of MPH. 93 earlier in the game. I wonder if hes throwing harder now. Could be a good sign if his conditioning means hes throwing harder or anything later in the game.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 03:02 PM
Bailey: 7 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K, 10 GO/3 FO, 98 pitches.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 03:02 PM
Homer knocking at 100 pitches. Take him out? His workload his last three starts was kinda high, right?

Mario-Rijo
06-17-2009, 03:03 PM
Bailey: 7 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K, 10 GO/3 FO, 98 pitches.

66 Strikes 32 Balls

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 03:03 PM
Homer knocking at 100 pitches. Take him out? His workload his last three starts was kinda high, right?

118, 111, and 124 pitches in his last three starts.

Homer Bailey
06-17-2009, 03:08 PM
I think you pull him here. Another great start from Homer.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 03:11 PM
I think you pull him here. Another great start from Homer.

I wouldn't. He's cruising and he's still below 100 pitches. He's easily good for 120, especially when he's throwing such non-stressful innings.

I've never bought into that whole 100 pitch magic number thing. I'm more in line with Nolan Ryan's line of thinking.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 03:13 PM
LOL. Dorn with an infield POPUP single. Shortstop lost it in the sun and called it a hit still. And an RBI as it's now 6-0 Bats.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 03:13 PM
Dorn singled in a run. Now 6-0 Louisville in the 7th inning. Dorn is 3-for-4 with a double and has raised his OPS to .698.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 03:16 PM
LOL. Dorn with an infield POPUP single. Shortstop lost it in the sun and called it a hit still. And an RBI as it's now 6-0 Bats.

It's a line drive in the boxscore. :D

Dorn 3 for 4

medford
06-17-2009, 03:16 PM
I wouldn't. He's cruising and he's still below 100 pitches. He's easily good for 120, especially when he's throwing such non-stressful innings.

I've never bought into that whole 100 pitch magic number thing. I'm more in line with Nolan Ryan's line of thinking.

Strangely, I agree w/ you. At first blush, I thought pull him, but 2nd thought made me think its probably good for his development to continue to learn to pitch while he's tiring. As long as his mechanics are still in order, run him out there another inning, perhaps 2 if he gets thru the 8th quickly.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 03:17 PM
He's back out there.

He's past the point where you use kid gloves on him. He can be stretched out as long as he's not tiring.

Manuel warming apparently.

Homer Bailey
06-17-2009, 03:17 PM
I think the fact that Homer's pitch counts were well up there his previous starts leads to the reasoning why he should be pulled here before he reaches 100.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 03:19 PM
First batter grounds out to begin the 8th.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 03:20 PM
Next batter reaches on an infield single.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 03:20 PM
Who decided that 100 is the cutoff point? It's become commonplace for managers (pro & minors) to look at 100 as the tipping point for pitch counts. I just don't get it. Homer's a pretty big guy, he's throwing nice and easy with solid mechanics. Every pitchers' should have different cutoff points IMO...this 100 pitch crud just bothers me...probably more than it should, but there it is regardless.

aubashbrother
06-17-2009, 03:20 PM
another infield single

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 03:21 PM
I think the fact that Homer's pitch counts were well up there his previous starts leads to the reasoning why he should be pulled here before he reaches 100.

I agree. He had thrown 110+ pitches in three straight starts. I don't see the point in sending him back out there with 98 pitches in seven innings. And now of course he gives up back-to-back one out singles.

aubashbrother
06-17-2009, 03:21 PM
bailey hits 97 on the gun according to bats announcer

dougdirt
06-17-2009, 03:21 PM
Homer just hit 97 MPH with a fastball, then followed it up with a change for a strike.

aubashbrother
06-17-2009, 03:22 PM
line drive out . 2 down

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 03:22 PM
After getting the first guy, Homer gives up back to back singles. Now I'm all for leaving him in this inning, but he's on a short leash...it's got nothing to do with pitch counts...just that it's late in the game on a hot day and he's just put on two batters.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 03:23 PM
Homer was at 96 for his last pitch in his last game. (or the one before that one) He wasn't shown any tendency to lose velocity in the later innings.

aubashbrother
06-17-2009, 03:23 PM
great game by Homer

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 03:24 PM
Pop out to Stubbs to end the inning.

Now I'd be hesitant to send him out for the ninth. If he'd cruised through the 8th...I'd probably let him try for the CG...but I think I'd pull him after that 8th.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 03:25 PM
Bailey: 8 IP, 7 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K, 11 GO/5 FO, 114 pitches.

All seven hits were singles, two of which were infield singles.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 03:26 PM
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Bailey 8.0 7 0 0 1 7 0 2.83

Pitches-strikes: Bailey 114-77 - 68%

Homer Bailey
06-17-2009, 03:27 PM
Who decided that 100 is the cutoff point? It's become commonplace for managers (pro & minors) to look at 100 as the tipping point for pitch counts. I just don't get it. Homer's a pretty big guy, he's throwing nice and easy with solid mechanics. Every pitchers' should have different cutoff points IMO...this 100 pitch crud just bothers me...probably more than it should, but there it is regardless.

I never said anything about 100 being the cutoff point. I just don't see how putting him back out there to throw potentially 20 more pitches is worth it. It worked out in this case, but it would be nice to give his arm a break every now in then. Pitches add up pretty quickly, and if you look at his pitch totals over the last 4 games, it's a bit scary.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 03:28 PM
Who decided that 100 is the cutoff point? It's become commonplace for managers (pro & minors) to look at 100 as the tipping point for pitch counts. I just don't get it. Homer's a pretty big guy, he's throwing nice and easy with solid mechanics. Every pitchers' should have different cutoff points IMO...this 100 pitch crud just bothers me...probably more than it should, but there it is regardless.

I just think it is better to err on the side of caution. It is 6-0 so what is the point? I'd rather pull a prospect an inning too early than an inning too late. I'd be willing to wager that a heckuva lot more career got ruined by a guy throwing too many pitches rather than not enough.

LoganBuck
06-17-2009, 03:28 PM
Take him out.

The pitch count has to be a concern.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 03:28 PM
I never said anything about 100 being the cutoff point. I just don't see how putting him back out there to throw potentially 20 more pitches is worth it. It worked out in this case, but it would be nice to give his arm a break every now in then. Pitches add up pretty quickly, and if you look at his pitch totals over the last 4 games, it's a bit scary.

Sorry, it wasn't really directed towards you....just a general soap-box moment.

At some point in time you've got to push your pitchers or they'll never develop their stamina to stay in a game.

DTCromer
06-17-2009, 03:29 PM
LOL. Dorn with an infield POPUP single. Shortstop lost it in the sun and called it a hit still. And an RBI as it's now 6-0 Bats.

Kent Mercker was right when he said Mother Nature deserves an ERA.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 03:31 PM
Sorry, it wasn't really directed towards you....just a general soap-box moment.

At some point in time you've got to push your pitchers or they'll never develop their stamina to stay in a game.

He threw 118, 111 and 124 pitches respectively his last three games. I am not against pushing a pitcher from time to time. That is probably important. But do you have to push them every time out?

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 03:31 PM
Nice thread today. We may beat the record for the longest minor league game thread in RZ history. The record is 208 posts on August 1st, 2007 - Johnny Cueto's first AAA start.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61097

Mario-Rijo
06-17-2009, 03:33 PM
Camilo Vazquez in to pitch for Homer.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 03:33 PM
Camilo Vazquez is coming on to pitch the 9th for Louisville. I didn't know he had been promoted.

medford
06-17-2009, 03:34 PM
So would it be considerred poor posting to post just to get us 1 step closer to a record while offerring nothing of value or asking any question of interest? Just courious.

_Sir_Charles_
06-17-2009, 03:34 PM
He threw 118, 111 and 124 pitches repspectively his last three games. I am not against pushing a pitcher from time to time. That is probably important. But do you have to push them every time out?

That all depends upon what is "pushing" for that specific pitcher. If you're saying it's pushing him to go over 100 then we'll never agree. If his tipping point is 115-120, then I'd say he was right on pace for what he SHOULD throw. Same thing goes for someone like Harang, 115-120 should be thier "100" number.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 03:34 PM
So would it be considerred poor posting to post just to get us 1 step closer to a record while offerring nothing of value or asking any question of interest? Just courious.

Absolutely not. :D

11larkin11
06-17-2009, 03:35 PM
So would it be considerred poor posting to post just to get us 1 step closer to a record while offerring nothing of value or asking any question of interest? Just courious.

I considered going back to that record thread and posting just to make it harder ;)

LoganBuck
06-17-2009, 03:35 PM
So would it be considerred poor posting to post just to get us 1 step closer to a record while offerring nothing of value or asking any question of interest? Just courious.

Onley if ewe uzed bahd spelleng

medford
06-17-2009, 03:36 PM
Absolutely not. :D

Oh good, didn't want to waste a post that would later render the record w/ a noticable astrick :cool:

Mario-Rijo
06-17-2009, 03:37 PM
Vazquez with a rude welcome to AAA, back to back singles now with no outs and men on 1st and 3rd.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 03:37 PM
Vazquez gives up back-to-back singles to open the 9th.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 03:37 PM
Vazquez not exactly mirroring Homer's performance.

bubbachunk
06-17-2009, 03:39 PM
Shutout gone

Mario-Rijo
06-17-2009, 03:39 PM
Vazquez not exactly mirroring Homer's performance.

Blows the shutout, Norfolk with a sac fly to plate run number 1.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 03:41 PM
Shutouts are great but I'll take the win and let Vazquez get his feet wet at AAA.

medford
06-17-2009, 03:44 PM
Onley if ewe uzed bahd spelleng

My grammer is always perfect!

GOYA
06-17-2009, 03:48 PM
Perfect ending. Manuel blows Gathright away.

Bats win 6-2

Mario-Rijo
06-17-2009, 03:49 PM
Vazquez gives up 2 and had 2 on with 2 out, Manuel in K'd Gathright for the final out.

Homer Bailey
06-17-2009, 03:50 PM
10 pages before 3 oclock. Impressive!

GOYA
06-17-2009, 03:51 PM
10 pages before 3 oclock. Impressive!

With Sulbaran and Stewart going in 4 hours.

DTCromer
06-17-2009, 03:56 PM
My grammer is always perfect!


http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/270916539_5a9c0691ef.jpg

tripleaaaron
06-17-2009, 04:12 PM
With Sulbaran and Stewart going in 4 hours.

It is quite a good day. I am not surprised that we are going to break the Cueto in AAA record as we finally have several very interesting pitching prospects working their way through the system. It seems as if we have solid prospects pitching every single day however and we may see this record broken many times over the next few years.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-17-2009, 04:16 PM
Niiice.

fearofpopvol1
06-17-2009, 04:17 PM
Who decided that 100 is the cutoff point? It's become commonplace for managers (pro & minors) to look at 100 as the tipping point for pitch counts. I just don't get it. Homer's a pretty big guy, he's throwing nice and easy with solid mechanics. Every pitchers' should have different cutoff points IMO...this 100 pitch crud just bothers me...probably more than it should, but there it is regardless.

There is a lot of evidence out there to suggest that your injury potential is doubled if not tripled when you consistently pitch over 100 pitches, particularly when you're under 24 years old.

medford
06-17-2009, 04:23 PM
It is quite a good day. I am not surprised that we are going to break the Cueto in AAA record as we finally have several very interesting pitching prospects working their way through the system. It seems as if we have solid prospects pitching every single day however and we may see this record broken many times over the next few years.

Might not be that easy, today's kind of the perfect storm, its middle of the week, so people can post from work, schools out, so students can post from home, we have 2 minor league organizations going this afternoon, both over lunch break where more people are comfortable or able to posts real quick, while having a top prospect (or how everyou want to label Homer) pitch a gem after 3 straight gems. Then you've got 2 well followed prospects on the bump tonight, while the weather outside may be less than ideal (meaning more people inside and around a computer)

May be hard to beat the record that seems inevitable tonight, though it will certainly fall at some point. Today's got a lot working for it, really all its missing is having Leake on the bump for ASU pitching a solid game in the college world series on ESPN for all to see.

Homer Bailey
06-17-2009, 04:29 PM
That, and the fact that the major league team is rather uninteresting right now.

JaxRed
06-17-2009, 04:49 PM
BTW, Camillo didn't get promoted as much as he's replaced Mallett as being the non-prospect "fill in where ever needed guy".

HokieRed
06-17-2009, 04:53 PM
BTW, Camillo didn't get promoted as much as he's replaced Mallett as being the non-prospect "fill in where ever needed guy".

Not so sure about this. Report used to be that he threw about 95. If that's still true, he'll neve cease being a prospect; lefthanders who throw that hard never do.

BRM
06-17-2009, 05:04 PM
nm

SirFelixCat
06-17-2009, 05:07 PM
Homer is on one helluva streak right now. It's really enjoyable 'watching' him pitch from following these threads. Thanks for the updates and it's really exciting about Homer the last, oh, month or so.

Also, how about that start by Klinker:

Klinker: 5.2 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 7 K

I assume it's due to pitch count limitations, but that's a pretty doggone sexy line right there!

kaldaniels
06-17-2009, 05:07 PM
Would it be wrong to suggest this is the best couple months of Homer's career so far?

CrackerJack
06-17-2009, 05:26 PM
Wow what got into Homer? Stubbs too.

medford
06-17-2009, 05:38 PM
nm

Now that is the kind of dedication we need if we're going to break any records.

Orenda
06-17-2009, 05:38 PM
Wow what got into Homer? Stubbs too.

I also noticed Danny dark horse is sneaking his way back to respectability.

BRM
06-17-2009, 05:41 PM
Now that is the kind of dedication we need if we're going to break any records.

:laugh:

I actually just posted in the wrong thread. That's all. Glad to help break the record though!

HeatherC1212
06-17-2009, 05:44 PM
Wow, great start by Homer today! That's nice to see considering I was at the game he pitched at GABP where he couldn't find the strike zone with a magnifying glass. :eek:

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 06:36 PM
Would it be wrong to suggest this is the best couple months of Homer's career so far?

I don't know. He was dominant during the summer of 2006 with Chattanooga. He got off to a sluggish start in 2006 with Sarasota, then went on a tear and was promoted to Double-A Chattanooga. In 68 innings with Chattanooga, he had a 1.59 ERA, allowed only 50 hits and posted a 28 BB/77 K ratio. He's pitching great baseball right now but he still has a few dominant starts to go before he reaches his 2006 performance.

GoReds
06-17-2009, 07:31 PM
Wow what got into Homer? Stubbs too.

He's got the roses pointed the right direction and he's breathing through his eyelids like a lava-lizard.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 07:32 PM
Are we ready for round 2?

Henry RF .286
Heisey CF .362
Alonso 1B .226
Frazier LF .331
Frncsco 3B .252
Cozart SS .280
Eymann 2B .258
Denove C .240
Stewart P .286

GOYA
06-17-2009, 07:54 PM
Tonight, the Mudcats will be facing former Dayton Dragon, Marcos Mateo.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/GOYA_551st/Mateo.jpg

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 07:56 PM
I'm predicting homers from Alonso and Frazier tonight.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 07:57 PM
I'll say Cozart rings the bell.

KoryMac5
06-17-2009, 08:08 PM
Very good job by Bailey today that split finger pitch has done wonders for a few major leaguers (Mike Scott). With Bailey performing so well Owings start tonight becomes very important for him as the Reds brass have no doubt noticed Homer's performance over the last several games.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 08:10 PM
Sulbaran: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

No score after a 1/2 inning.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 08:11 PM
Sulbaran gives up a hit and gets a K in a scoreless first.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 08:13 PM
Dayton bottom 1:

Bunt single
Bunt single
Bunt, bad throw

Bases loaded, nobody out on three bunts.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 08:15 PM
Dayton had the bases loaded with nobody out and failed to score.

aubashbrother
06-17-2009, 08:16 PM
Small ball baby

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 08:19 PM
Carolina is in a rain delay.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 08:20 PM
Sulbaran throws a 1-2-3 second inning.

2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 08:28 PM
Dayton is scoreless after two innings.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 08:39 PM
Sulbaran gives up a grand slam

Dragons down 4-0

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 08:42 PM
Sulbaran gives up a grand slam

Dragons down 4-0

Andrew Means misplayed a flyball into a triple earlier in the inning. Should have been two outs out and nobody on base.

NC Reds
06-17-2009, 08:59 PM
Mudcats have been postponed it appears. Too bad.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 08:59 PM
That stinks. I was looking forward to Stewart's start.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 09:01 PM
That's weird. I looked at the radar for the Raleigh area and it didn't look too bad at all.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 09:03 PM
Sulbaran gives up another HR.

6-1 Lugnuts

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 09:03 PM
That's weird. I looked at the radar for the Raleigh area and it didn't look too bad at all.

They're playing at Tennessee.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 09:04 PM
Ha! Well they should get on the bus.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 09:28 PM
Love that nickname - Lugnuts!

medford
06-17-2009, 10:11 PM
Mudcats have been postponed it appears. Too bad.

b/w that and Sulubran giving up some homers, we may just stall out before breaking the record. So much anticipation, and here comes the letdown. Kind of like so many Reds seasons of recent past.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 10:20 PM
Sappelt is 2-for-3 with a triple and his 21st stolen base.

texasdave
06-17-2009, 10:23 PM
Cody Puckett has 20 doubles to date. That is pretty impressive.

dougdirt
06-17-2009, 10:23 PM
Sounds like a CRAZY game in Dayton

Ejections: Dayton Dragons pitcher J. C. Sulbaran ejected by HP umpire Matt Neuhold. (5th); Dayton Dragons Manager Todd Benzinger ejected by 1B umpire Matt Benham. (7th); Lansing Lugnuts pitcher John Anderson ejected by HP umpire Matt Neuhold. (6th); Lansing Lugnuts Manager Clayton McCullough ejected by HP umpire Matt Neuhold. (7th); Dayton Dragons pitcher Andrew Bowman ejected by HP umpire Matt Neuhold. (6th).

GOYA
06-17-2009, 10:27 PM
What's the scoop on Kevin Coddington? His numbers look good. How does he project?

GOYA
06-17-2009, 10:28 PM
Sounds like a CRAZY game in Dayton

3 HBP likely a part of that.

REDSEER
06-17-2009, 10:34 PM
I would suggest that the Dayton Dragons not be messed with ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syVwrmHiGlQ

GOYA
06-17-2009, 10:45 PM
Sarasota will be getting an offensive boost soon

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090617&content_id=5375748&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

Votto will rehab in Florida.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 10:49 PM
Dayton trying to make a game of it with 4 runs in the 7th. 11-7 in the 8th

Dayton Bottom 7th

* Lansing Lugnuts Manager Clayton McCullough ejected by HP umpire Matt Neuhold.
* Dayton Dragons Manager Todd Benzinger ejected by 1B umpire Matt Benham.
* Kevyn Feiner singles on a ground ball to left fielder Justin McClanahan.
* With Andrew Means batting, wild pitch by Ryan Koch, Kevyn Feiner to 2nd.
* Andrew Means pops out to second baseman Luis Fernandez.
* Kevin Coddington reaches on throwing error by pitcher Ryan Koch. Kevyn Feiner scores. Kevin Coddington to 2nd.
* Dave Sappelt grounds out, third baseman Mark Sobolewski to first baseman Michael McDade.
* Carlos Mendez singles on a ground ball to center fielder Chris Emanuele. Kevin Coddington scores.
* Michael Konstanty homers (2) on a fly ball to left field. Carlos Mendez scores.
* Kyle Day singles on a ground ball to right fielder Johermyn Chavez.
* Pitcher Change: Boomer Potts replaces Ryan Koch.
* Miguel Rojas flies out to right fielder Johermyn Chavez.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 10:53 PM
Kevyn Feiner 3 for 4 with 2 runs scored.

He was recently sent down from Sarasota.

HeatherC1212
06-17-2009, 10:57 PM
Dang, what's going on in Dayton tonight?! That's crazy! :eek:

tripleaaaron
06-17-2009, 10:59 PM
Did anyone watch this game? What happened to Sulbaran and what set off the mayhem?

GOYA
06-17-2009, 11:11 PM
I was listening when Sulbaran hit a batter early in the game but nothing seemed to come of it at the time. I don't know what happened to get him thrown out. Maybe arguing balls and strikes.

klw
06-17-2009, 11:12 PM
Did anyone watch this game? What happened to Sulbaran and what set off the mayhem?

Not watching but would guess after those homers he threw inside too much and got tossed. Both sides got warned, retaliations ensued. Just a guess.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 11:13 PM
Dayton lost 12-7.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 11:14 PM
Sulbaran threw behind the head of the guy who hit the grand slam.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 11:17 PM
Benzinger was thrown out arguing Bowman's ejection. Bowman was ejected for hitting a batter on a 2-2 count. Radio guys said it didn't look intentional at all.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 11:24 PM
Rick Sweet is going to manage the IL team in the AAA All-Star game:

http://louisville.bats.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090616&content_id=5357468&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 11:26 PM
Carolina will play a doubleheader tomorrow with game one starting at 12:00. Travis Wood and Zach Stewart are the scheduled starters. I assume Stewart will start the first game and Wood the second game. That should be fun. Wood is working on a scoreless streak of 26 innings.

GOYA
06-17-2009, 11:29 PM
Columbus lost to Rochester so the Bats extend their lead to 3.5 games in the IL West.

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2009, 11:30 PM
Columbus lost to Rochester so the Bats extend their lead to 3.5 games in the IL West.

Longest minor league game thread in Redszone history. How does it feel to break the record?;)

GOYA
06-17-2009, 11:34 PM
Huntsville lost to big bad Birmingham so Carolina is only 1 game back now

GOYA
06-17-2009, 11:35 PM
It feels like I'm scrounging to find anything worthy I can to post about. :D

bubbachunk
06-17-2009, 11:39 PM
Carolina will play a doubleheader tomorrow with game one starting at 12:00. Travis Wood and Zach Stewart are the scheduled starters. I assume Stewart will start the first game and Wood the second game. That should be fun. Wood is working on a scoreless streak of 26 innings.

Ah what time do they start? I will be at the reds game then.

If the minor league teams have a good mobile site let me know.


Longest minor league game thread in Redszone history. How does it feel to break the record?;)

great i feel like a new man

GOYA
06-17-2009, 11:43 PM
Carolina has 5 games to catch Huntsville. I think.

Birmingham should help.

Ghosts of 1990
06-17-2009, 11:51 PM
I heard Bailey was awesome again tonight. Heard he was consistent at 94-96 mph and hit 97 in the 8th inning. I am not ready to give up on this kid yet. 1 earned run now in some 33 innings.

BMGreene20
06-18-2009, 12:58 AM
I don't understand....if Votto is going to Sarasota he must be playing in the Gulf Coast League....the Florida State League All-Star Break begins Friday..so if he plays on Thursday he would play one day with Sarasota and then three days off....

texasdave
06-18-2009, 01:00 AM
I don't understand....if Votto is going to Sarasota he must be playing in the Gulf Coast League....the Florida State League All-Star Break begins Friday..so if he plays on Thursday he would play one day with Sarasota and then three days off....

Isn't that where the Reds have their extended Spring Training camp? Maybe it has something to do with that? Just a guess.

GOYA
06-18-2009, 01:23 AM
I don't understand....if Votto is going to Sarasota he must be playing in the Gulf Coast League....the Florida State League All-Star Break begins Friday..so if he plays on Thursday he would play one day with Sarasota and then three days off....

The GCL doesn't start until Tuesday the 23rd.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2009, 02:37 AM
Three pitchers, both managers are ejected during a rout of the Dragons

By Marc Katz
Staff Writer
1:04 AM Thursday, June 18, 2009

DAYTON — Dragons pitchers J.C. Sulbaran and Andrew Bowman said they weren’t trying to hit Lansing batters Wednesday night, June 17.

Home plate umpire Matt Neuhold decided they were, ejecting each during a 12-7 Lugnuts rout of Dayton at Fifth Third Field in a battle of teams trying to stay out of last place in the Midwest League’s East Division.

While Lansing won, the Lugnuts remained a half game behind the Dragons.

Sulbaran, who is prone to wildness and has not been effective in two starts since being given a nine-day rest by the Reds organization recently, was down 6-2 when Johermyn Chavez led off the fifth.

In his previous at-bat in the third, Chavez drilled a grand slam to left following a triple and two Sulbaran walks.

Sulbaran already led the Dragons with seven hit batsmen this season, and while he didn’t hit Chavez, he did sail his first pitch to him about two feet behind his head.

Chavez pointed his bat at Sulbaran as Neuhold gave Sulbaran the thumb.

“I had a blister on my (index) finger,” Sulbaran said. “That was probably going to be my last inning anyway. I wasn’t trying to hit him.”

Just one inning later — with the Dragons trailing 8-3 — Andrew Bowman, who replaced Sulbaran, hit Justin McClanahan in the back with a 2-2 pitch.

In McClanahan’s previous at-bat, he had smashed a two-run homer off Sulbaran, but it didn’t matter to Neuhold, who immediately tossed Bowman.

“I wasn’t trying to hit a guy during a 9-pitch at-bat,” Bowman said. “The umpire said he had to toss me.”

Not to stand idly by, Lansing pitcher John Anderson hit Kyle Day with the first pitch of the sixth, getting himself and both managers ejected.

A four-run Dragons seventh couldn’t change the outcome of this one.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/dayton-dragons/three-pitchers-both-managers-are-ejected-during-a-rout-of-the-dragons-167791.html

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 10:51 AM
JCS can't seem to get rid of those blisters. I've never heard of this problem reoccuring so often with one player. What causes this? Is it because the ball is coming off his hand with so much spin?

Mario-Rijo
06-18-2009, 11:49 AM
JCS can't seem to get rid of those blisters. I've never heard of this problem reoccuring so often with one player. What causes this? Is it because the ball is coming off his hand with so much spin?

Josh Beckett used to have a lot of blister issues. Maybe Moises Alou could give him some pointers on roughing up your hands. :D

klw
06-18-2009, 12:02 PM
Josh Beckett used to have a lot of blister issues. Maybe Moises Alou could give him some pointers on roughing up your hands. :D

I think with Beckett he ended up using Krazy Glue on his fingers. I haven't heard of him having a problem with it since he went to the Red Sox.

HeatherC1212
06-18-2009, 12:43 PM
I think with Beckett he ended up using Krazy Glue on his fingers. I haven't heard of him having a problem with it since he went to the Red Sox.

He had that problem at least one time within the last two seasons. A friend of mine is a RS fan and a huge Beckett fan and she mentioned it a lot when it happened the last time.

That Dayton game sounds insane. :eek:

JaxRed
06-29-2009, 11:44 PM
"Originally Posted by JaxRed
BTW, Camillo didn't get promoted as much as he's replaced Mallett as being the non-prospect "fill in where ever needed guy".

Not so sure about this. Report used to be that he threw about 95. If that's still true, he'll neve cease being a prospect; lefthanders who throw that hard never do.
_______

Camillo now filling in at AA