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klw
06-18-2009, 01:13 PM
Willy Taveras cf
Alex Gonzalez ss
Brandon Phillips 2b
Laynce Nix lf
Ryan Hanigan c
Jay Bruce rf
Jerry Hairston Jr. 3b
Adam Rosales 3b
Matt Maloney p

vs. RH Tommy Hanson

Rain delay expected at the start.

Tom Servo
06-18-2009, 02:21 PM
Willy Taveras grounds out.


Color me shocked.

klw
06-18-2009, 02:21 PM
Braves go in order in the top of the 1st

BRM
06-18-2009, 02:21 PM
The two worst OBPs among position players on the entire roster hitting 1-2. Sad enough they are even in the lineup. Worse yet they hit at the very top.

klw
06-18-2009, 02:21 PM
Willy Taveras grounds out.


Color me shocked.

But at least it took 5 pitches.

oneupper
06-18-2009, 02:22 PM
If we're not supposed to comment on lineups...I'm sorry.

But Hanigan at 5th is a change.

oneupper
06-18-2009, 02:22 PM
Agon grounds first. Pitcher covers.

Tom Servo
06-18-2009, 02:23 PM
I'm getting the Braves announcers and they're talking about how much they all love David Ross.



Give it time, gentlemen. Give it time.

oneupper
06-18-2009, 02:25 PM
Brandon walks.

Tom Servo
06-18-2009, 02:25 PM
BP walks on the 3-2 pitch.

oneupper
06-18-2009, 02:26 PM
I'm getting the Braves announcers and they're talking about how much they all love David Ross.



Give it time, gentlemen. Give it time.

Ross as a backup isn't bad. I kind of like the braves announcers.

nate
06-18-2009, 02:26 PM
Hooray, the game is on Foxsports South (649 for DirecTVers).

oneupper
06-18-2009, 02:27 PM
Nix L-3

Tom Servo
06-18-2009, 02:28 PM
Ross as a backup isn't bad. I kind of like the braves announcers.
Oh yeah as a back-up his is alright, but I get the feeling that they could fall into the trap of thinking Ross the part-time catcher could be anything more than that if McCann goes down or ever struggles.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 02:34 PM
Runners on the corner for the Braves. 1 out.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 02:35 PM
How can I listen to WLW online? Thru gameday I'm only able to get the Braves broadcast and it says I have to pay for the WLW one.

Tom Servo
06-18-2009, 02:36 PM
Kotchmann hits a sac fly. 1-0 Braves.

RichRed
06-18-2009, 02:37 PM
Oh yeah as a back-up his is alright, but I get the feeling that they could fall into the trap of thinking Ross the part-time catcher could be anything more than that if McCann goes down or ever struggles.

So you're saying his .982 OPS buoyed by a .400 BABIP *might* not have legs?

Falls City Beer
06-18-2009, 02:42 PM
Ross is going to get some rips off a lefty with very little, like Maloney.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 02:44 PM
Hanigan works it to 3-0 and takes the walk.... Hmmm sounds like a guy that could maybe hit at the top of the lineup.

BRM
06-18-2009, 02:45 PM
Hanigan works it to 3-0 and takes the walk.... Hmmm sounds like a guy that could maybe hit at the top of the lineup.

Way too much OBP to hit at the top.

cumberlandreds
06-18-2009, 02:46 PM
Hanigan works it to 3-0 and takes the walk.... Hmmm sounds like a guy that could maybe hit at the top of the lineup.

Number two hitter would be good with me.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 02:46 PM
Bruce works the walk. 2 on zero out.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 02:48 PM
And Hairston quickly falls behind 0-2.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 02:50 PM
Hairston flies out. Great AB!

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 02:51 PM
Rosales gets HBP and they're loaded for Maloney. Who is a bigger threat Maloney or Taveras?

cumberlandreds
06-18-2009, 02:53 PM
Rosales gets HBP and they're loaded for Maloney. Who is a bigger threat Maloney or Taveras?

Right now I'm more comfortable with Maloney up there.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 02:53 PM
Maloney
Tavaras
Gonzales

Any chance of scoring here? It's like three pitchers in a row.

membengal
06-18-2009, 02:54 PM
Maloney
Tavaras
Gonzales

Any chance of scoring here? It's like three pitchers in a row.

The reds really are at a huge offensive disadvantage at this point with who Dusty is running out there.

VR
06-18-2009, 02:55 PM
Maloney
Tavaras
Gonzales

Any chance of scoring here? It's like three pitchers in a row.

Maloney has the highest OPS .666

RichRed
06-18-2009, 02:55 PM
Maloney strikes out but at least saw 6 pitches (small silver lining).

joshnky
06-18-2009, 02:55 PM
Given the way Hanson is pitching, I think our best chance is that we walk in a run.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 02:55 PM
Maloney strikes out. I would say "C'Mon Willy" but wouldn't be worth it. Braves announcers think they are out of the inning.

Already 0-2 on WT.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 02:57 PM
Guess what? Willy struck out.

RichRed
06-18-2009, 02:57 PM
And Willy T. did what Willy T. does.

membengal
06-18-2009, 02:58 PM
Thom B said the pitch was a foot off the plate. Probably an exaggeration, but the point remains, it wasn't a good at-bat, he was overmatched, and the club will continue to struggle to score runs with a guy like Taveras in the line-up...

LincolnparkRed
06-18-2009, 02:58 PM
How bad was that last pitch? He just needs a weekend off. Let CDick play against the Sox

Strikes Out Looking
06-18-2009, 02:59 PM
How bad was that last pitch? He just needs a weekend off. Let CDick play against the Sox

Stubbs time

flyer85
06-18-2009, 03:00 PM
go willy ... go willy

LincolnparkRed
06-18-2009, 03:00 PM
Stubbs time

Fine by me.

Seemed Redszone knew what willy was but Dusty/Walt couldn't see it.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:02 PM
Lost my Gameday radio feed. Anyone else?

oneupper
06-18-2009, 03:02 PM
Thom B said the pitch was a foot off the plate. Probably an exaggeration, but the point remains, it wasn't a good at-bat, he was overmatched, and the club will continue to struggle to score runs with a guy like Taveras in the line-up...

Low and away. NO where near the plate. Not hittable by anyone not carrying 60 inch bat.

Strikes Out Looking
06-18-2009, 03:03 PM
Fine by me.

Seemed Redszone knew what willy was but Dusty/Walt couldn't see it.

Actually, I'd be fine with April Willy. I want no part of June Willy. I think the problems are in his head and are not in his physical abilities.

nate
06-18-2009, 03:03 PM
Fine by me.

Seemed Redszone knew what willy was but Dusty/Walt couldn't see it.

Willy Taveras was who we thought he was!

:cool:

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:03 PM
Maloney K's Hanson and McClouth

oneupper
06-18-2009, 03:04 PM
Ok I'll do some PBP.
Two quick outs for ATL that I didn't see.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:05 PM
Escobar lines out to Willy.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:05 PM
Willy catches up to a line drive.

Nice 1-2-3 inning by Maloney

BRM
06-18-2009, 03:05 PM
Actually, I'd be fine with April Willy. I want no part of June Willy. I think the problems are in his head and are not in his physical abilities.

May Willy was pretty bad as well.

oneupper
06-18-2009, 03:06 PM
Escobar lines on to CF that WT catches going back.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:06 PM
The last of the Reds murderers row is due up first in Alex Gonzalez.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:07 PM
Lazy flyball to McClouth. The fun continues.

oneupper
06-18-2009, 03:07 PM
Agon flies out to CF

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:09 PM
Phillips legs out a one hopper to Chipper but the Braves announcers think he was way out.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:09 PM
Phillips is safe on a one-hopper to 3rd!

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:09 PM
No hitter broken up

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:10 PM
Phillips steals second.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:10 PM
Take that David Ross!

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:10 PM
Phillips gets picked off. Sweet.

oneupper
06-18-2009, 03:10 PM
Phillips legs out a one hopper to Chipper but the Braves announcers think he was way out.

Steals second but is meat at third. Two out.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:11 PM
That's embarrassing.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:11 PM
Nix grounds it back to the pitcher.

Degenerate39
06-18-2009, 03:11 PM
Why is it that the Reds can beat the good pitchers but they can't hit rookies for crap?

oneupper
06-18-2009, 03:11 PM
Looked like a balk.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:12 PM
Looked like a balk.

How so? All I've got is the Braves's opinion and they sure didnt think it was one.

oneupper
06-18-2009, 03:12 PM
Why is it that the Reds can beat the good pitchers but they can't hit rookies for crap?

I don't think they can hit anyone, really. Carpenter did a number on them.

oneupper
06-18-2009, 03:14 PM
How so? All I've got is the Braves's opinion and they sure didnt think it was one.

Not an expert on balks, but the pitcher started, stopped and then threw. Sure looked weird to me. Phillips was also not happy (understandably).

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:14 PM
Maloney makes Chipper look silly. 1 out.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:15 PM
KKKK

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:15 PM
Not an expert on balks, but the pitcher started, stopped and then threw. Sure looked weird to me. Phillips was also not happy (understandably).

As long as his leg never moved towards home it probably wasn't a balk. Whether it moved toward home or not I won't ever know.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:16 PM
Diaz goes yard on a 1-2 pitch.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:17 PM
2-0 Braves :(

jojo
06-18-2009, 03:17 PM
Maloney should pick up an endorsement from Delta...fly away and on a regular schedule....

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:19 PM
Prado walks.

VR
06-18-2009, 03:19 PM
Why is it that the Reds can beat the good pitchers but they can't hit rookies for crap?

You've got two issues going there.

They can beat good pitchers because that have pitching that is often better.

They can't hit rookie pitchers because they are technically 'pitchers'..... which greatly reduces our hitter's chances.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:22 PM
1-2 pitch to Francouer misses somehow. Very close.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:23 PM
Nix tracks a flyball down on the warning track. 2 down.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:23 PM
Failcouer!

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:26 PM
Phillips takes a hit away from Kotchman and snags a line drive. mid 4.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:30 PM
Hanigan fouls out.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:31 PM
Bruce pops out. This is painful.

LincolnparkRed
06-18-2009, 03:32 PM
Bruce pops out. This is painful.

Eh, their closer shouldn't scare anyone after the other night

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:33 PM
Hairston fouls out. 1 hit through 4 innings against a rookie that can't find the strike zone.

Falls City Beer
06-18-2009, 03:34 PM
Hairston fouls out. 1 hit through 4 innings against a rookie that can't find the strike zone.

Seems to be finding it just fine so far.

VR
06-18-2009, 03:34 PM
Huh, stepped away for 3 minutes and the inning is over? How many pitches.
(I would look it up myself except ESPN's gameday SUCKS)

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:37 PM
Seems to be finding it just fine so far.

63 pitches, 35 strikes. 55%. And those strikes are including pitches swung at by the Reds outside the zone. And he'd walked 8 in 13 IP in his other two starts. So no, he's not really finding it so far.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:37 PM
Ross lines into center.

RichRed
06-18-2009, 03:37 PM
Huh, stepped away for 3 minutes and the inning is over? How many pitches.
(I would look it up myself except ESPN's gameday SUCKS)

10 pitches.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:39 PM
0-2 on hanson.

jojo
06-18-2009, 03:39 PM
And those strikes are including pitches swung at by the Reds outside the zone.

If those account for a great percentage, Hanson would be making a mistake by throwing more than 55% of his pitches in the strike zone. :cool:

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:40 PM
Hanson gets the bunt down but Hanigan gunned Ross at 2nd.

jojo
06-18-2009, 03:40 PM
Hanigan is the Manigan. Ouch for Gonzo though.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:41 PM
If those account for a great percentage, Hanson would be making a mistake by throwing more than 55% of his pitches in the strike zone. :cool:

Which supports my point that the Reds are incredibly undisciplined.

McClouth goes yard. 4-0.

oneupper
06-18-2009, 03:41 PM
McClouth clouts one.

Nice hitting by Nate against the lefty.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:41 PM
4-0

I lack any faith in this offense to score 5 runs in this game.

CTA513
06-18-2009, 03:41 PM
Some GABP specials today

4-0 Braves

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:42 PM
6 HR's allowed by Maloney in 14 innings

Falls City Beer
06-18-2009, 03:42 PM
Maloney's way too easy to take out of the park.

jojo
06-18-2009, 03:42 PM
Delta will donate $7000 to the Ronald McDonald House for each homer that Maloney lets fly away this year. Delta may go bankrupt.

BRM
06-18-2009, 03:42 PM
Maloney's way too easy to take out of the park.

But he's the current I-71 Savior.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:43 PM
Chipper grounds out and the inning is over.

reds44
06-18-2009, 03:43 PM
Soft tossing lefties can't give up that many homers.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:44 PM
Put those brooms back into the closet.

LincolnparkRed
06-18-2009, 03:44 PM
6 HR's allowed by Maloney in 14 innings

That was the fear, they most saw about bringing him up. Not sure how much longer you can keep him up over Homer, or maybe it is just pick your poison time.

jojo
06-18-2009, 03:44 PM
Soft tossing lefties can't give up that many homers and be successful*.

*edited for technical accuracy

VR
06-18-2009, 03:44 PM
Until Owings bats, I will not give up on this game.

jojo
06-18-2009, 03:45 PM
Until Owings bats, I will not give up on this game.

This one has plenty of time left.

Falls City Beer
06-18-2009, 03:46 PM
It's not like Atlanta is a thunderous offense either. They're about as good as the Reds. As usual, the difference is the starter--Hanson's got MLB stuff; Maloney doesn't.

jojo
06-18-2009, 03:46 PM
Maloney, Taveras, Gonzo...one is not like the other....which one?

Seriously this isn't meant to be a trick question..... :cool:

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:46 PM
Rosales smokes a single right up the box.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:47 PM
One hitter broken up

reds44
06-18-2009, 03:47 PM
*edited for technical accuracy
Well yes, I mean I'm sure they CAN.

BRM
06-18-2009, 03:48 PM
Is it a smart play to try to bunt here with Maloney? It's not the next two guys have much of a shot to drive in the run.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:48 PM
Maloney bunts and Rosales beats the throw to 2nd.

I would put an exclamation point there but Taveras is now up.

Falls City Beer
06-18-2009, 03:49 PM
I would have pinch hit for Maloney there. They need offense and they need to keep Atlanta from scoring more. Keeping Maloney in there accomplishes neither.

reds44
06-18-2009, 03:49 PM
Before the bunt, I thought myself "the only thing that can get us going is if they blow the bunt defefense"

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:49 PM
Is it a smart play to try to bunt here with Maloney? It's not the next two guys have much of a shot to drive in the run.

and they are down by 4 not 1...but it worked out in the end.

jojo
06-18-2009, 03:49 PM
I knew Hanigan and Ross, you're no Hanigan....(you're also no Rosales on the bases either)



Ross tried to get the lead runner at second on the bunt attempt and failed while Hanigan threw Ross out at second in a similar situation during the last inning.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:49 PM
Taveras can't lay a bunt down and its 0-2. This is seriously incredible.

Kc61
06-18-2009, 03:50 PM
That was the fear, they most saw about bringing him up. Not sure how much longer you can keep him up over Homer, or maybe it is just pick your poison time.

Yeah, so far Maloney's tendencies have shown up in his major league performance. Few walks, reasonable number of strikeouts, lots of fly balls and unfortunately too many homers.

He could get better with time, but I don't see the Reds keeping him in the rotation once Volquez gets back. He'll probably get traded or go to AAA. GABP is a poor fit for Maloney, who is a talented pitcher and could succeed in a pitcher's ballpark.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:50 PM
Don Sutton: "Taveras is 1 for 11 in this series, and for his terms, that's a good series."

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:50 PM
Taveras fouls out. I'm beyond furious. Reds fans booing and should be.

reds44
06-18-2009, 03:50 PM
WillyT is a special player.

dsmith421
06-18-2009, 03:51 PM
Seriously, why doesn't Dusty just come out during Taveras' turn at bat and flick off the crowd?

BRM
06-18-2009, 03:51 PM
Should have pinch-hit for Taveras.

CTA513
06-18-2009, 03:51 PM
Please just fake an injury so you can go on the DL.

BRM
06-18-2009, 03:51 PM
Don Sutton: "Taveras is 1 for 11 in this series, and for his terms, that's a good series."

I'd laugh but he's right.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:52 PM
Tavaras can't even bunt. Of all the things that I would think a guy with his skillset could do is bunt.

jojo
06-18-2009, 03:52 PM
Cowboy just asked if Dickerson is still on the team after Taveras' last at bat....

Seriously, it's 50:50 concerning whether it was a rhetorical question.

BRM
06-18-2009, 03:52 PM
Seriously, why doesn't Dusty just come out during Taveras' turn at bat and flick off the crowd?

Now THAT would be classic.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:52 PM
Diaz makes a catch on the track on a AG fly ball. 1-2 hitters now 0 for 6 and 0 for 14 the last 2 games.

CTA513
06-18-2009, 03:52 PM
Gonzalez flies out and the Reds don't score because they can't bunt.

BRM
06-18-2009, 03:52 PM
Was the crowd booing pretty heavily after the failed bunt attempt?

VR
06-18-2009, 03:53 PM
Getting Nix an AB this inning may be the best shot these boys have.

reds44
06-18-2009, 03:53 PM
1. Dickerson CF
2. Hanigan C
3. Phillips 2B
4. Bruce RF

learn it, love it, do it

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:54 PM
Was the crowd booing pretty heavily after the failed bunt attempt?

Yes, quite loudly as a matter of fact.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 03:55 PM
1. Dickerson CF
2. Hanigan C
3. Phillips 2B
4. Bruce RF

learn it, love it, do it
5. Nix LF

Brilliant!

Note: the rest hardly matters

jojo
06-18-2009, 03:55 PM
Alright...end of five and the Reds weren't able to capitalize on another chance.... I'm starting to get a little worried about this one.

BRM
06-18-2009, 03:56 PM
Well, that inning went well.

flyer85
06-18-2009, 03:56 PM
that top 2 is working out fantastically ... if you are the Reds opponent

reds44
06-18-2009, 03:56 PM
5. Nix LF

Brilliant!

Note: the rest hardly matters
Yes. Hell, we can even play Dusty ball and switch Bruce and Phillips so the lefties are all split up.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:56 PM
I'm sweating at work I'm so upset right now.

BRM
06-18-2009, 03:57 PM
that top 2 is working out fantastically ... if you are the Reds opponent

Two worst OBPs on the active roster, among position players. It only makes sense they play every day and bat 1-2.

Falls City Beer
06-18-2009, 03:57 PM
Alright...end of five and the Reds weren't able to capitalize on another chance.... I'm starting to get a little worried about this one.

Yeah, three line shots though in the inning. Fate sometimes knocks you around.

Hanson's pretty hard to get a good rip on, so those liners are a nice development. Could see something next inning. Though if some get on, Cox will go to the lefty to take out Bruce.

Kc61
06-18-2009, 03:58 PM
Taveras can't lay a bunt down and its 0-2. This is seriously incredible.

It is seriously incredible. I've looked at Taveras' numbers and he has never been this bad. Right now he cannot hit a lick.

Taveras went into a deep slump and is now pressing to the point that he seems entirely lost up there. I disagree with the Reds' approach of just letting him lead off every game. It isn't working.

I won't engage in the ranting against him that goes on on this site, which has become almost entirely devoted to dissing this one player.

But the Reds need to come up with a better idea how to handle Taveras' spot. My view would be to get him to accept an assignment to AAA for a couple of weeks to get going.

reds44
06-18-2009, 03:59 PM
Last year, people said Corey Patterson was hitting even worse than he has over the course of his career.
This year, people are saying the same about Willy.

Let me say this, our ban box of a park aren't helpful to slap hitters.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 03:59 PM
Hank Aaron doubles. Oops I mean Matt Diaz.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
Last year, people said Corey Patterson was hitting even worse than he has over the course of his career.
This year, people are saying the same about Willy.

Let me say this, our ban box of a park aren't helpful to slap hitters.

Or talentless ones.

jojo
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
Yeah, three line shots though in the inning. Fate sometimes knocks you around.

Hanson's pretty hard to get a good rip on, so those liners are a nice development. Could see something next inning. Though if some get on, Cox will go to the lefty to take out Bruce.

Don't hate the playa...hate the game..... :cool:

Falls City Beer
06-18-2009, 04:03 PM
Maloney is the lefthanded Roger Salkeld.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:03 PM
Prado Ks
IBB to Francoeur
Runners at 1B and 2B with 1 out

Kc61
06-18-2009, 04:04 PM
Last year, people said Corey Patterson was hitting even worse than he has over the course of his career.
This year, people are saying the same about Willy.

Let me say this, our ban box of a park aren't helpful to slap hitters.

Could be. Patterson was very different. He wasn't really a slap hitter, he had good power and used it as much as possible. He just didn't hit well generally and also didn't walk.

Taveras is a slap hitter. But he isn't getting infield hits, isn't bunting well, is striking out and popping up time after time.

Again, while I know RedsZoners generally hate Taveras, when playing at his best I think he can be effective. I've seen it in his stints with other teams. But what's happening now is ridiculous and must stop. Hitting Taveras and Gonzalez one and two in this lineup is not defensible.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:07 PM
Kotchman pops out. Two down.

Carlos Fisher coming in.

jojo
06-18-2009, 04:07 PM
Taveras is a slap hitter. But he isn't getting infield hits, isn't bunting well, is striking out and popping up time after time.

Again, while I know RedsZone hates Taveras, when playing at his best I think he can be effective. I've seen it in his stints with other teams. But what's happening now is ridiculous and must stop. Hitting Taveras and Gonzalez one and two in this lineup is not defensible.

This stretch is just kharma collecting the bill for his .371/.417/.461 (OPS= .877) against lefties in 2007....

Falls City Beer
06-18-2009, 04:07 PM
Maaaatt Maaaaloney buys himself another start. Let's hope it isn't against an AL opponent.

reds44
06-18-2009, 04:08 PM
Could be. Patterson was very different. He wasn't really a slap hitter, he had good power and used it as much as possible. He just didn't hit well generally and also didn't walk.

Taveras is a slap hitter. But he isn't getting infield hits, isn't bunting well, is striking out and popping up time after time.

Again, while I know RedsZoners generally hate Taveras, when playing at his best I think he can be effective. I've seen it in his stints with other teams. But what's happening now is ridiculous and must stop. Hitting Taveras and Gonzalez one and two in this lineup is not defensible.
Just about any major league player can be effective when play at their best. There is a reason why they are in the majors.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:09 PM
Maaaatt Maaaaloney buys himself another start. Let's hope it isn't against an AL opponent.

It will be unless he gets demoted.

lollipopcurve
06-18-2009, 04:10 PM
What Baker doesn't seem to realize is that he only ratchets up the pressure on Taveras by batting him leadoff every game in the midst of a titanic, boobird-festering slump.

And he better be careful not to diss the fans for being unhappy, or they'll start to turn on him.

I understand the desire to support and show confidence in the player, but there comes a time of diminishing returns.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:10 PM
Maaaatt Maaaaloney buys himself another start. Let's hope it isn't against an AL opponent.

You don't earn starts on this team. You just have to be liked by the manager (See Taveras, Willy).

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:10 PM
Fisher quickly falls behind 3-0 to Ross.

Caveat Emperor
06-18-2009, 04:11 PM
Maloney is the lefthanded Roger Salkeld.

I think the point and your opinion of skill level has been made abundently clear with your previous posts on the matter.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:12 PM
Fisher walks him and they're loaded.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 04:12 PM
Fisher feared the Ross.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:13 PM
2-0 to the pitcher now.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 04:13 PM
Common Fisher, let's see some STRIKES! :)

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 04:14 PM
Common Fisher, let's see some STRIKES! :)

2-2 now

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 04:14 PM
5-0 Braves

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:14 PM
Hanson singles. 5-0. Hysterical.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:15 PM
RBI single for Hanson.

jojo
06-18-2009, 04:15 PM
Well shucks. I was about to praise Dick Pole and Carlos won't let me....

Maloney gets stuck with a stinker run there...

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 04:16 PM
The Reds are going to need a touchdown now.

jojo
06-18-2009, 04:16 PM
The Reds are going to need a touch down now.

Or two fieldgoals.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 04:17 PM
Or two fieldgoals.

TD+FG or safety to win

7-0 Braves

jojo
06-18-2009, 04:17 PM
Oops....make that three fieldgoals.

jojo
06-18-2009, 04:18 PM
TD+FG or safety to win

7-0 Braves

Can the defense score in baseball? :p:

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:18 PM
Turn out the lights.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 04:18 PM
Oops....make that three fieldgoals.

One per inning would do it.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 04:20 PM
Can the defense score in baseball? :p:

Does Owings count? ;)

Kc61
06-18-2009, 04:21 PM
Just about any major league player can be effective when play at their best. There is a reason why they are in the majors.

I'm not going to get into a debate with you about it. Suffice it to say, I've seen Taveras play effectively against the Reds and believe that he can be effective. Right now he needs to come out of the lineup because he is not being effective.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:21 PM
McClouth quickly making his way onto the list of Reds killers.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:22 PM
7-0 Braves going to the bottom of the 6th. Nix, Hanigan, Bruce due up.

VR
06-18-2009, 04:22 PM
WillyT is a special player.


Many Have Attempted and Failed
Ryan Freel
Juan Castro
Rich Aurilia
Jeff Keppinger
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Adam Rosales

Who will redszone try to replace Edwin with next?


Reds44...I love that list. I'm guessing we should have one for all the power arms out there to replace David Weathers as well.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 04:22 PM
McClouth quickly making his way onto the list of Reds killers.

That doesn't seem like a very exclusive club these days.

Falls City Beer
06-18-2009, 04:23 PM
Maloney gets stuck with a stinker run there...

I'm not going to be crying many tears for Mr. Maloney--he turned a mediocre offense into Murderer's Row today. Blech.

dsmith421
06-18-2009, 04:23 PM
Great at-bat by Nix.

Joseph
06-18-2009, 04:23 PM
Send out Maloney time?

reds44
06-18-2009, 04:23 PM
Reds44...I love that list. I'm guessing we should have one for all the power arms out there to replace David Weathers as well.
I'll start with one of my own errors!

Marcus McBeth

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:23 PM
Nix pops up. Still 2 hits for the Reds.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:23 PM
Hanson quickly disposes of Nix. One down.

dsmith421
06-18-2009, 04:24 PM
Reds44...I love that list. I'm guessing we should have one for all the power arms out there to replace David Weathers as well.

I think it's stupid. Just because the other third base candidates have been utterly garbage doesn't make Encarnacion anything but a gigantic mediocrity.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 04:24 PM
McBeth

Isn't that a girls' name?

reds44
06-18-2009, 04:25 PM
I think it's stupid. Just because the other third base candidates have been utterly garbage doesn't make Encarnacion anything but a gigantic mediocrity.
If the Reds had "gigantic medicrity" in LF, CF, SS, and 3B this year they'd be doing well for themselves.

traderumor
06-18-2009, 04:25 PM
methinks WT has hit RZ rule 5 status. I suppose it is the same as fans who boo at games. He stinks, we get it already. Move on please.

LincolnparkRed
06-18-2009, 04:25 PM
I'll start with one of my own errors!

Marcus McBeth

He may turn out ok. I think he came up too soon. Looks pretty good in Pawtucket

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 04:26 PM
If the Reds had "gigantic medicrity" in LF, CF, SS, and 3B this year they'd be doing well for themselves.

replacement level = improvement :(

Falls City Beer
06-18-2009, 04:26 PM
Not sure why folks would be surprised at the outcome of this game: Hanson has MLB arm written all over him; Maloney has tax-preparer all over him.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:26 PM
Hanigan walks. 1 professional hitter in this entire lineup.

VR
06-18-2009, 04:26 PM
I think it's stupid. Just because the other third base candidates have been utterly garbage doesn't make Encarnacion anything but a gigantic mediocrity.

I don't think he's trying to say EE is David Wright. Rather, that RZ tends to think our saviors are tucked away in AAA.....making any of our whipping boys disposable.

CTA513
06-18-2009, 04:27 PM
This would be a good game for Roenicke to make his 2009 debut.
Already down 7-0 so he wouldn't have to worry about keeping it close.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:27 PM
LOL at Bruces luck. Bruce stings one and McClouth makes a running over the shoulder grab. This is seriously unreal.

dsmith421
06-18-2009, 04:28 PM
If the Reds had "gigantic medicrity" in LF, CF, SS, and 3B this year they'd be doing well for themselves.

Encarnacion is a very average baseball player. You're right, mediocre is better than garbage. But acting like he's an All-Star is just ridiculous.

dsmith421
06-18-2009, 04:29 PM
I don't think he's trying to say EE is David Wright. Rather, that RZ tends to think our saviors are tucked away in AAA.....making any of our whipping boys disposable.

My experience over the years is that Encarnacion has been given the benefit of the doubt (at least on the main board) due to his perceived hitting potential and range. I agreed with that assessment until he became expensive. Now the guy's in his fourth year and he still doesn't get it at the plate or in the field.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:29 PM
Hairston singles to left.

reds44
06-18-2009, 04:29 PM
I don't think he's trying to say EE is David Wright. Rather, that RZ tends to think our saviors are tucked away in AAA.....making any of our whipping boys disposable.
This. I've always said I would have no problem with replacing EE if we had an actual improvement.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:30 PM
Two on, two out for Rosales.

Falls City Beer
06-18-2009, 04:30 PM
Poise :: Pitchers
Speed :: Hitters

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:30 PM
Rosales flies out inning over.

traderumor
06-18-2009, 04:34 PM
no need for the score or pbp in the game thread. The tenor of the "discussion" tells you things aren't going well.

forfreelin04
06-18-2009, 04:34 PM
Not sure why folks would be surprised at the outcome of this game: Hanson has MLB arm written all over him; Maloney has tax-preparer all over him.

Agreed.

Folks should be happy we stole a win yesterday. With Harang getting a rain shortened start and no Cueto, we are lucky to win this series.

Not to mention, Dusty is trying to give the baseball gods an ulcer with the Out Brothers at the top of the lineup.

traderumor
06-18-2009, 04:35 PM
LOL at Bruces luck. Bruce stings one and McClouth makes a running over the shoulder grab. This is seriously unreal.It'll be fun when that worm turns. It always does.

CTA513
06-18-2009, 04:37 PM
Fisher is going to end up walking his way back to AAA.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:37 PM
Fisher walks Chipper to start the 7th.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:38 PM
Then he Ks Diaz on three pitches.

Falls City Beer
06-18-2009, 04:41 PM
"So Elizardo Ramirez, Carlos Fisher, and Matt Maloney walk into a bar...."

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:41 PM
It'll be fun when that worm turns. It always does.

We've been saying that for about a month now. It's just not turning. I've never seen a string of bad luck run this long.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:41 PM
A K of Francoeur ends the inning.

Ltlabner
06-18-2009, 04:42 PM
A K of Francoeur ends the inning.

Ehem.....Failcoeur.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:43 PM
Pitcher, Pitcher, Pitcher due up for the Reds

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 04:43 PM
"So Elizardo Ramirez, Carlos Fisher, and Matt Maloney walk into a bar...."

...and Johnny Cueto ducks.

CaiGuy
06-18-2009, 04:44 PM
Dickerson appearance

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:45 PM
PH single for Dickerson.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:45 PM
Dickerson gets to go to that bag 90 feet to the right of home plate.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:46 PM
Hahah Don Sutton continuing to rip on Taveras, and he doesnt even know the half of the story.

Big Klu
06-18-2009, 04:47 PM
Is the game over? (No wise-cracks, please.) My local radio affiliate switched it off.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:47 PM
Dickerson makes it to the 2nd base. A base Willy has only seen what... once this month?

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:47 PM
Is the game over? (No wise-cracks, please.) My local radio affiliate switched it off.

7-0 in the 7th.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:48 PM
Gonzo strikes out. 1 and 2 hitters 0 for 8 today and 0 for 16 the last two nights.

nate
06-18-2009, 04:50 PM
AGony almost fell over on the strikeout pitch.

Big Klu
06-18-2009, 04:50 PM
LOL at Bruces luck. Bruce stings one and McClouth makes a running over the shoulder grab. This is seriously unreal.

Jay Schleprock in RF.


7-0 in the 7th.

Thank you.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:50 PM
For those keeping score,

Willy flew out
Dickerson stole second
Gonzalez Ks

forfreelin04
06-18-2009, 04:51 PM
Gonzo strikes out. 1 and 2 hitters 0 for 8 today and 0 for 16 the last two nights.

I fully expect an article put out by Baseball Prospectus or some other highly regarded baseball think tank proving a Willy T and Gonzo combo is the worst 1-2 combo in the history of the game.

Then, once written, no Cincinnati Sports Writer will confront Dusty about it.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:51 PM
Does Moylan throw sidearm? Groundout ends the inning.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:52 PM
7-0 after 7 innings.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:53 PM
I fully expect an article put out by Baseball Prospectus or some other highly regarded baseball think tank proving a Willy T and Gonzo combo is the worst 1-2 combo in the history of the game.

Then, once written, no Cincinnati Sports Writer will confront Dusty about it.

I will be tweeting at every red outlet I can to demand that Dusty change the top of his lineup.

dsmith421
06-18-2009, 04:54 PM
I will be tweeting at every red outlet I can to demand that Dusty change the top of his lineup.

Well, that ought to do it.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:55 PM
Roenicke in to pitch. Janish comes in to play SS as part of the double-switch.

WVRedsFan
06-18-2009, 04:57 PM
Surely someone else is better--even on a team of baseball midgets. Everyone wanted pitching and defense, but somebody forgot the other part of the game (wonder who?).

What is discouraging is that Walt said the other day that he was pleased with how the team was playing--them fighting in every game. Kind of like bringing a knife to a gunfight :).

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 04:57 PM
Well, that ought to do it.

The only way Dusty will change it is if he starts feeling the pressure from those around him.

BRM
06-18-2009, 04:58 PM
1-2-3 inning for Roenicke.

BRM
06-18-2009, 05:03 PM
Mike Gonzalez pitching for the Braves.

Gomes pinch-hits for Nix and promptly Ks.

BRM
06-18-2009, 05:04 PM
Hanigan singles. He's been on base 3 times today.

dsmith421
06-18-2009, 05:04 PM
The only way Dusty will change it is if he starts feeling the pressure from those around him.

Some random dude tweeting John Fay is not going to get Taveras benched.

VR
06-18-2009, 05:04 PM
Bullpen/ Owings/ Maloney......very nice to take 2 of 3 from the Braves with that slate, and the current offense. Pitching is a good thing.

BRM
06-18-2009, 05:06 PM
Bruce grounds out to 1B. 2 outs.

WVRedsFan
06-18-2009, 05:08 PM
Only problem is the Braves, like the Nationals, are a horrible team. With some offense, we sweep both and probably take one or two from the Royals. So we turn a possible 7-2 into a 4-5. This apparently pleases Walt and company.

Homer Bailey
06-18-2009, 05:11 PM
Some random dude tweeting John Fay is not going to get Taveras benched.

No its not. But if the media is constantly hounding Dusty as to why he continues to play Taveras, you would have to think he would have to reconsider.

BRM
06-18-2009, 05:11 PM
Hairston lines out. 3 down.

BRM
06-18-2009, 05:12 PM
Lost in all the offense bashing is the fact the pitching gave up 7 runs today. So far.

dsmith421
06-18-2009, 05:12 PM
No its not. But if the media is constantly hounding Dusty as to why he continues to play Taveras, you would have to think he would have to reconsider.

No, actually, I don't think media or fan pressure is going to faze Dusty in the slightest bit. He's either going to figure out that Taveras is a giant pile of crap, or the front office is going to do it themselves.

BRM
06-18-2009, 05:13 PM
Burton replacing Roenicke. Gomes stays in LF.