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dougdirt
06-19-2009, 02:01 PM
Yonder Alonso has a broken hand and is on the DL in Carolina.
Mike Leake reportedly has serious tendinitis.

Awesome day. :thumbdown

traderumor
06-19-2009, 02:04 PM
I was fast, not fast enough. I will take that as good news about Leake. Sure does explain all the mechanical issues folks were noticing and, most importantly, keeps the ASU coach from temptation. I asked a question in the minor league updates thread about why Alonso was showing up hitting in the 12th last night. I wonder if he played with it or it happened after the last update?

lollipopcurve
06-19-2009, 02:06 PM
Let's hope it's tendinitis only.

traderumor
06-19-2009, 02:12 PM
Let's hope it's tendinitis only.In the name of "there is no such thing as a pitching prospect," agreed.

Doug, are you reporting what has been rumored in the Mike Leake thread, or is there something more definitive out there than the ASU manager's comment?

GOYA
06-19-2009, 02:18 PM
How did Yonder break his hand?

LoganBuck
06-19-2009, 02:25 PM
How did Yonder break his hand?

He saw Willy Taveras' OBP and started banging his hand on a table.

Willy Taveras is evil.

dougdirt
06-19-2009, 02:25 PM
How did Yonder break his hand?

He didn't break his hand actually. He broke his hamate bone which is more in the wrist area. He broke it on a swing. He isn't the first, third or even fifth guy to do it swinging a bat. The good news is, it doesn't have any long term issues. The bad news is, it generally saps a player of his power for about a year after it heals. There is a long list of guys who have dealt with it. Griffey broke his. Pedro Alvarez broke his when he was at Vanderbilt his junior year.

Benihana
06-19-2009, 02:27 PM
He didn't break his hand actually. He broke his hamate bone which is more in the wrist area. He broke it on a swing. He isn't the first, third or even fifth guy to do it swinging a bat. The good news is, it doesn't have any long term issues. The bad news is, it generally saps a player of his power for about a year after it heals. There is a long list of guys who have dealt with it. Griffey broke his. Pedro Alvarez broke his when he was at Vanderbilt his junior year.

I would guess this sets his ETA back until at least mid-2010.

LoganBuck
06-19-2009, 02:30 PM
He may be in his final option year before he ever suits up in Cincinnati. Not good.

dougdirt
06-19-2009, 02:31 PM
He may be in his final option year before he ever suits up in Cincinnati. Not good.

I don't think it will be that much of a concern. The guy has great plate discipline and he should still have some power. He could probably help next year even if his power is down some because he puts the ball in play a lot and walks a lot.

BearcatShane
06-19-2009, 02:34 PM
He saw Willy Taveras' OBP and started banging his hand on a table.

Willy Taveras is evil.

Ha ha, I did laugh at that. But should I cry?

bounty37h
06-19-2009, 02:45 PM
Yonder Alonso has a broken hand and is on the DL in Carolina.
Mike Leake reportedly has serious tendinitis.

Awesome day. :thumbdown

No surprise to hear this about Leake, and makes me nervous about him long term, the way Pat abuses his pitchers, well, many thought Dusty ran his staff in the ground in Chitown, seems Pat set the course for it.

OesterPoster
06-19-2009, 02:50 PM
I would guess this sets his ETA back until at least mid-2010.

Good thing he's not occupying one of those valuable 40 man roster spots. :D

PuffyPig
06-19-2009, 03:04 PM
He may be in his final option year before he ever suits up in Cincinnati. Not good.


I wouldn't worry too much about it. We can always get him to re-jig his deal to allow himself more time to stay in the minors and fully develop.

If I recall, we did the same with Wily Mo Pena......

camisadelgolf
06-19-2009, 03:17 PM
He may be in his final option year before he ever suits up in Cincinnati. Not good.
2012 is his last option year.

princeton
06-19-2009, 03:32 PM
regarding Leake's bonus: in Doc Hollywood we trust.

traderumor
06-19-2009, 03:38 PM
Did Johnny Bench have anything to say about Leake's curveball?

Benihana
06-19-2009, 03:40 PM
In desperately trying to see an upside in all of this...

Maybe this means Leake signs for significantly less money, and some of that money is used towards signing international and later round high-upside guys (like Marrero and Perez.)

But the pessimist in me counters...

Maybe Leake will go prove his health for another year in college or indy leagues if the Reds try to save a significant amount of money on him. I doubt it given his tremendous season, but just the pessimist in me rebutting the optimist.

GIDP
06-19-2009, 03:43 PM
less the signing bonus the better!

Redmachine2003
06-19-2009, 04:03 PM
If the Reds don't sign him they get that pick back next year and save Bonus money maybe to sign the two young SS they drafted and some money the international signing period in a couple of weeks. I think the only one who would lose out this year is Leake and he still has another year of college. Sorry Benihana didn't read all post before I typed at least we were both trying to look at the upside of this.

RedlegJake
06-19-2009, 04:05 PM
If the Reds don't sign him they get that pick back next year and save Bonus money maybe to sign the two young SS they drafted and some money the international signing period in a couple of weeks. I think the only one who would lose out this year is Leake and he still has another year of college.

Yep. I'd simply make a low slot offer and let him walk if he wants. Next year we get the same spot in the draft if he refuses. We sign him cheaper than normal if he accepts. Win-win.

HokieRed
06-19-2009, 04:13 PM
Terrible news on both, but, from my point of view, especially on Alonso, whom I consider the most important talent in our system for the years ahead. Will be interesting now to see if this changes trading strategy at the major league level. I suspect it will, as it will put off the Votto to LF move till at least mid next-year and probably even 2011, given what Doug says about the year needed for the hitter's power to return. Those of you who have wanted Holliday may have gotten closer to your wish.

redsmetz
06-19-2009, 04:48 PM
I wonder if this will mean Votto will continue his rehab in Carolina now instead of spending some additional time with the extended spring training teams.

dougdirt
06-19-2009, 04:53 PM
Those talking about skimming on the bonus for Leake....

Take a big, giant step backward. Right now, until more information comes out, this isn't a big deal at all. If he needs surgery, then yeah, make the jumps you are making. But if its just some tendinitis, its not a huge deal at all.

Az. Reds Fan
06-19-2009, 04:56 PM
Hey Doug...where did you get this info regarding Leake, I'm listening to sports talk radio out here and they are saying that Leake is going to start tonight...Just curious where you might have heard this

Sucks about Alonso, I assume his injury is going to require surgery...is he done for the year?

edabbs44
06-19-2009, 04:56 PM
Those talking about skimming on the bonus for Leake....

Take a big, giant step backward. Right now, until more information comes out, this isn't a big deal at all. If he needs surgery, then yeah, make the jumps you are making. But if its just some tendinitis, its not a huge deal at all.

any word where the tendinitis is?

Benihana
06-19-2009, 05:02 PM
Those of you who have wanted Holliday may have gotten closer to your wish.

Let's go for Rios (or Taylor) first!

*BaseClogger*
06-19-2009, 05:06 PM
Those talking about skimming on the bonus for Leake....

Take a big, giant step backward. Right now, until more information comes out, this isn't a big deal at all. If he needs surgery, then yeah, make the jumps you are making. But if its just some tendinitis, its not a huge deal at all.

Yep. The news about Alonso is the much more crushing blow to the organization IMHO...

OnBaseMachine
06-19-2009, 05:21 PM
Alonso will be back this year, right? If so, I don't see where it's a huge blow. He still should be ready to step into the majors by mid-2010. It's unfortunate he got injured though because he was starting to heat up.

GOYA
06-19-2009, 05:44 PM
Hamate fractures:

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/97813-overview

OnBaseMachine
06-19-2009, 05:57 PM
Alonso Out With Broken Hamate

Posted Jun. 19, 2009 4:02 pm by John Manuel
Filed under: Daily Dish, Training Room

Yonder Alonso was placed on the seven-day disabled list at Double-A Carolina with a broken hamate bone in his right hand. Alonso injured his hand swinging on a 3-0 fastball in the second game of a doubleheader Thursday. According to a press release, the Reds—who drafted Alonso seventh overall last year out of Miami—plan to further assess Alonso in the coming days to determine his rehabilitation schedule.

The first baseman hit .302/.378/.503 with seven home runs and 37 RBIs. In his time with the Mudcats, he’s hitting .246/.309/.377 with one home run.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/

Mario-Rijo
06-19-2009, 06:00 PM
Hey Doug...where did you get this info regarding Leake, I'm listening to sports talk radio out here and they are saying that Leake is going to start tonight...Just curious where you might have heard this

Sucks about Alonso, I assume his injury is going to require surgery...is he done for the year?


per Fay, Leake is out for the rest of the CWS with tendonitis...wonder if the Reds called ASU and set them straight?

chicoruiz
06-19-2009, 06:12 PM
I was kind of hoping that Leake would shut it down for 2009 anyway. I can wait...

Az. Reds Fan
06-19-2009, 07:55 PM
Still haven't read or seen anything out here about Leake's serious tendonitis...although the talking heads are speculating that Blair will start tonight.

CTA513
06-19-2009, 09:08 PM
Leake is pitching tonight on ESPN2

membengal
06-19-2009, 09:12 PM
Is he pitching right now?

NC Reds
06-19-2009, 09:13 PM
Leake is pitching. This is insane.

Blitz Dorsey
06-19-2009, 09:14 PM
Alrighty then. I guess ASU isn't too concerned about hurting his future. And of course Leake will want to play in this situation even if he shouldn't. He's still a kid. I can't believe they are letting him pitch in this situation and risk hurting his future.

membengal
06-19-2009, 09:15 PM
Either ASU doesn't care, or the report of "serious tendonitis" was bs...

Blitz Dorsey
06-19-2009, 09:15 PM
Is he pitching right now?

Yep, sure is. Second inning, 0-0 against Texas. This is an elimination game for ASU (2-1). Texas hasn't lost yet (2-0).

redsfandan
06-19-2009, 09:27 PM
I'm not too concerned about Alonso. Except for the sapped power his first few months back that has been mentioned before it may not affect much. I was concerned about Leake even less but pitching in a big college game now when he's not 100% isn't something I'm crazy about to say the least.

klw
06-19-2009, 09:42 PM
Injured Hamate is what WMP had when in Boston in 06.
http://joyofsox.blogspot.com/2006/05/wily-mo-pena-has-wrist-surgery.html
I remember at the time Ortiz saying it took a year for power to return.

Ortiz had it back in 98 and Pedroia in 07.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3103634

Jr had the bone removed too.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-64589940.html

redsfandan
06-19-2009, 09:46 PM
Fernando Martinez (rookie NYM outfielder) comes to mind as another that had a broken hamate bone a year or two ago.

flyer85
06-19-2009, 09:58 PM
tendonitis ... right

Kingspoint
06-20-2009, 12:05 AM
Yonder Alonso has a broken hand and is on the DL in Carolina.
Mike Leake reportedly has serious tendinitis.

Awesome day. :thumbdown

I'm getting sick of this. I was watching Leake pitch in the 6th tonight when I heard them saying that it's right above the elbow, and I'm thinking, "Shut this guy down!".

I can't take it.

Will someone please sacrifice a chicken or something?

Thompson, Buck, Bray, Alonso, .....someone stop this....these were key players in 2010 and some would have helped in 2009.

redsfandan
06-20-2009, 12:16 AM
Alonso was a freak injury.

IIRC, we wouldn't have been able to get Buck in that trade if he hadn't been injured in the first place.

Kingspoint
06-20-2009, 12:19 AM
Alonso was a freak injury.

IIRC, we wouldn't have been able to get Buck in that trade if he hadn't been injured in the first place.

It was a new injury that got Buck. His progress from his previous injury was going well.

redsfandan
06-20-2009, 12:30 AM
My mistake. I wasn't aware of a new injury with Buck.

Blitz Dorsey
06-21-2009, 03:26 PM
Is Alonso likely done for the year? What a pisser.

OnBaseMachine
06-21-2009, 10:31 PM
Is Alonso likely done for the year? What a pisser.

I read that he'll miss four to six weeks.

Benihana
06-21-2009, 10:43 PM
I read that he'll miss four to six weeks.

That's fine. He'll finish the season in Carolina and start next year in Louisville.

GIDP
06-22-2009, 12:28 AM
Reds should call him up in September anyways.

Scrap Irony
06-22-2009, 02:57 AM
Alonso + hand injury = Casey, 2001-03?

Kingspoint
06-23-2009, 05:21 PM
Reds should call him up in September anyways.

Agreed.

His timetable should not be changed by this.

GIDP
06-23-2009, 05:32 PM
Agreed.

His timetable should not be changed by this.

an option is being used either way.

Kingspoint
06-23-2009, 06:32 PM
an option is being used either way.

Options won't be an issue with him, any more than they were an issue with Barry Larkin.

OnBaseMachine
07-01-2009, 11:49 AM
11:46 am Will Yonder Alonso be given a serious look next spring to crack the ML roster? How bad is his injury?

bob_miller:
11:47 am he broke his hamate bone in his hand. Nothing major. Should be back later in the year.

http://www.forums.mlb.com/ml-cinevent/chat?redirCnt=1

icehole3
07-01-2009, 12:36 PM
thats great news good find OBM

Sea Ray
07-02-2009, 03:11 PM
2012 is his last option year.

I thought he only got three option years after his signing yr, thus 2009, 10 and 11. Does he get more than three?

Benihana
07-02-2009, 03:22 PM
I thought he only got three option years after his signing yr, thus 2009, 10 and 11. Does he get more than three?

I wouldn't worry about it. If he isn't playing everyday in the majors by 2011, he'll be in another organization.

camisadelgolf
07-02-2009, 06:22 PM
I thought he only got three option years after his signing yr, thus 2009, 10 and 11. Does he get more than three?
He will qualify for a fourth option year since he will have less than five years as a professional. It's somewhat of an obscure rule.

OnBaseMachine
07-26-2009, 06:02 PM
Reds first baseman Yonder Alonso could return to Double-A Carolina by early August.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=5805#more-5805

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2009, 12:58 PM
Yonder Alonso is DHing today for the GCL Reds as he begins his rehab.

edabbs44
08-04-2009, 01:29 PM
Yonder Alonso is DHing today for the GCL Reds as he begins his rehab.

Good news.

BRM
08-04-2009, 01:40 PM
Yonder Alonso is DHing today for the GCL Reds as he begins his rehab.

Excellent news. :thumbup:

BRM13
08-04-2009, 02:11 PM
Something is going right! Let's hope he's back in AA in a few days.

Hoosier Red
08-04-2009, 02:49 PM
Can we post this in a seperate thread. I about had a heart attack thinking that Leake was hurt(again.)

BRM
08-04-2009, 03:09 PM
Alonso went 0-2 today.

JKam
08-04-2009, 04:02 PM
Does the trade of Zach Stewart make the Mike Leake signing even more of a priority?

Leake would probably become our top pitching prospect and the closest to the majors. Seems like with Stewart gone, we really need him.

LoganBuck
08-04-2009, 04:12 PM
Does the trade of Zach Stewart make the Mike Leake signing even more of a priority?

Leake would probably become our top pitching prospect and the closest to the majors. Seems like with Stewart gone, we really need him.

Signing your top draft pick is always a priority. So the answer is: YES.

mth123
08-04-2009, 06:55 PM
Does the trade of Zach Stewart make the Mike Leake signing even more of a priority?

Leake would probably become our top pitching prospect and the closest to the majors. Seems like with Stewart gone, we really need him.

YUP.

Kingspoint
08-04-2009, 07:12 PM
Turns out the day Leake and Alonso were injured was a heavenly day compared to the disastrous day that saw Roenicke and Stewart leave the organization.