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OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 11:51 AM
Just a reminder - the Louisville game today will be televised on the MLB Network at 2:00. RHP Sam Lecure will make the start for Louisville.

Carolina - 7:15 - LHP Tom Cochran

Sarasota - 7:00 - RHP Scott Carroll

Dayton - 7:00 - RHP Juan Carlos Sulbaran will be making his first start since June 17th when be battled blister problems.

Billings - 9:05 - LHP Luca Panerati

The GCL Reds play at 12:00

The DSL Reds play at 10:30

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 11:56 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing some of the Louisville hitters. I'm hoping they go with an outfield of Dorn, Stubbs, and Heisey, with EdE, Valaika, Sutton, and Rosales in the infield. I was also hoping to see Zach Stewart pitch but it's doubtful that he'll pitch on back-to-back days. Hopefully Viola gets into the game at some point.

bubbachunk
06-30-2009, 12:07 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing some of the Louisville hitters. I'm hoping they go with an outfield of Dorn, Stubbs, and Heisey, with EdE, Valaika, Sutton, and Rosales in the infield. I was also hoping to see Zach Stewart pitch but it's doubtful that he'll pitch on back-to-back days. Hopefully Viola gets into the game at some point.

I was hoping to watch him with the reds tonight

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 12:10 PM
I was hoping to watch him with the reds tonight

Me too. Hopefully he'll be back with the Reds by Friday.

Kc61
06-30-2009, 12:32 PM
Lecure has been hot, let's hope he continues tonight.

TRF
06-30-2009, 12:53 PM
If EE plays a single inning more with Louisvilee, with the DRECK the reds have been playing at 3B, Walt AND Dusty should be called out publicly. And I don't mean by a fan messageboard.

BRM
06-30-2009, 12:55 PM
If EE plays a single inning more with Louisvilee, with the DRECK the reds have been playing at 3B, Walt AND Dusty should be called out publicly. And I don't mean by a fan messageboard.

You expect the Reds beat writers to call them on it?

GOYA
06-30-2009, 12:56 PM
I'd like to see Bankston back in action. I haven't heard how well his hand has been healing up. It's to the point that there just aren't enough positions to get everybody that should be playing into the game. That should ease a bit soon when Edwin goes up to the Reds.

The Bats hit the Braves' starter, Todd Redmond, pretty well on June 19th. He pitched 5 and gave up 7 H, 5 ER, 2 BB and 4 K. The Bats got 2 HR off him that day (Dorn and Barker) and LeCure got the win.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 01:07 PM
The GCL Reds are about to get underway.

Lineup:

Theodis Bowe, LF
Billy Hamilton, SS
Danny Hernandez, 3B
Donald Lutz, 1B
Yorman Rodriguez, CF
Juan Duran, RF
Danny Vicioso, C
Henry Rodriguez, 2B
Ryan Doran, DH

Tyler Cline, RHP

They will be facing Shooter Hunt, the Twins first round pick out of Tulane last season. 16/17/18 years old against a 22-year old college guy. This could be a bad day for the GCL Reds.

GOYA
06-30-2009, 01:09 PM
What's Billy Hamilton's over/under on steals+errors today?

I'm going with 4.

Danny Vicioso has my favorite name on the GCL Reds.

But it's hard to beat the GCL Twins pitcher's name, Shooter Hunt.

TRF
06-30-2009, 01:22 PM
You expect the Reds beat writers to call them on it?

no, but they damn well should.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 01:23 PM
No score after one.

Cline: 1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 01:45 PM
The GCL Reds scored one run in the second but it could have been more.

Donald Lutz was HBP to begin the inning, he later moved to second base on a wild pitch. Yorman Rodriguez lined a single to LF, Lutz held at 3B. Juan Duran walked to load the bases. Vicioso grounded into a doubleplay, Lutz out at home. A wild pitch scored Duran to make it 1-0. Henry Rodriguez singled but Vicioso was thrown out at the plate to end the inning.

Tyler Cline threw a 1-2-3 second inning.

2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 5 GO/0 FO

1-0 GCL Reds after two innings.

GOYA
06-30-2009, 01:46 PM
Sounds like fun:

GCL Reds Top 2nd

•Donald Lutz hit by pitch.
•With Yorman Rodriguez batting, wild pitch by Shooter Hunt, Donald Lutz to 2nd.
•Yorman Rodriguez singles on a line drive to left fielder Oswaldo Arcia. Donald Lutz to 3rd.
•Juan Duran walks. Yorman Rodriguez to 2nd.
•Danny Vicioso grounds into double play, third baseman Jairo Perez to catcher Nicholas Tindall to third baseman Jairo Perez to pitcher Shooter Hunt. Donald Lutz out at home on the throw. Yorman Rodriguez out at home on the throw. Juan Duran to 3rd on the throw. Danny Vicioso to 1st.
•With Henry Rodriguez batting, wild pitch by Shooter Hunt, Juan Duran scores. Danny Vicioso to 2nd.
•Henry Rodriguez singles on a line drive to left fielder Oswaldo Arcia. Danny Vicioso out at home on the throw, left fielder Oswaldo Arcia to catcher Nicholas Tindall.

1-0 Reds

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 02:08 PM
Just like the second inning, the GCL Reds load the bases with nobody out thanks to a single by Ryan Doran and walks to Theodis Bowe and Billy Hamilton...but they don't score. They've had the bases loaded with nobody out twice and have managed just one run.

1-0 GCL Reds after three innings.

Cline: 3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K, 7 GO/0 FO

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 02:11 PM
Nevermind. They corrected the boxscore. Doran singled last inning when the runner was thrown out at the plate.

GCL Reds top third:

Theodis Bowe walks.
With Billy Hamilton batting, Theodis Bowe steals (3) 2nd base.
Billy Hamilton walks.
Danny Hernandez grounds into a force out, fielded by third baseman Jairo Perez. Theodis Bowe out at 3rd. Billy Hamilton to 2nd. Danny Hernandez to 1st.
With Donald Lutz batting, Danny Hernandez caught stealing 2nd base, pitcher Shooter Hunt to third baseman Jairo Perez to first baseman In Kyun Kang to second baseman Brian Bistagne, Billy Hamilton to 3rd.
Donald Lutz called out on strikes.

Benihana
06-30-2009, 02:12 PM
Three guys thrown out at home in one inning? :eek:

Shooter Hunt was mentioned as a possible Reds first round pick last year. What's he still doing in the GCL?

EDIT: I think the control he has showed this game answers my question.

nate
06-30-2009, 02:13 PM
Thanks for the heads-up on the Bats game, OBM!

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 02:16 PM
Another missed opportunity in the fourth inning. Yorman Rodriguez and Juan Duran both walked to begin the fourth inning but the next three batters made outs. Still 1-0 after four innings.

Cline: 4 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K, 8 GO/1 FO

GOYA
06-30-2009, 02:17 PM
I'm showing Doran's single was at the end of the 2nd and the Bowe and Hamilton walks started the 3rd.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 02:18 PM
Bowe: 0-for-1 walk, SB
Hamilton: 0-for-1 walk
Lutz: 0-for-1 HBP
Y. Rodriguez: 1-for-1 walk
Duran: 0-for-0 two walks
Vicioso: 0-for-2
H. Rodriguez: 0-for-1 walk

GOYA
06-30-2009, 02:18 PM
Three guys thrown out at home in one inning? :eek:

Shooter Hunt was mentioned as a possible Reds first round pick last year. What's he still doing in the GCL?

Throwing wild, it sounds like.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 02:29 PM
GCL Reds Top 5th

Pitcher Change: Adrian Salcedo replaces Shooter Hunt.

Theodis Bowe singles on a line drive to center fielder Wang-Wei Lin.
With Billy Hamilton batting, Theodis Bowe steals (4) 2nd base.

Billy Hamilton grounds out, shortstop Nick Lockwood to first baseman In Kyun Kang. Theodis Bowe to 3rd.

Danny Hernandez reaches on a fielder's choice out, third baseman Jairo Perez to catcher Nicholas Tindall to third baseman Jairo Perez. Theodis Bowe out at home. Danny Hernandez advances to 2nd, on throwing error by third baseman Jairo Perez.

Donald Lutz reaches on throwing error by pitcher Adrian Salcedo. Danny Hernandez scores. Donald Lutz to 2nd.

Yorman Rodriguez strikes out swinging.

2-0 GCL Reds after 4 1/2 innings.

LincolnparkRed
06-30-2009, 02:31 PM
Throwing wild, it sounds like.

still a cool name though

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 02:31 PM
Cline: 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K, 9 GO/3 FO

GOYA
06-30-2009, 02:38 PM
I just noticed that the wind is listed as blowing in from CF at 22 mph. I'd be throwing a lot of high fastballs.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 02:43 PM
Louisville lineup:

Drew Sutton, SS
Drew Stubbs, LF
Chris Heisey, CF
Kevin Barker, 1B
Adam Rosales, 3B
Darnell McDonald, RF
Chris Valaika, 2B
Craig Tatum, C
Sam Lecure, RHP

No Edwin. Hopefully he's on his way to Cincy.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 02:47 PM
Tyler Cline's final line: 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K, 9 GO/3 FO. He's allowed just one run 10 IP with 2 BB/8 K so far this season.

Jesus Adames threw a 1-2-3 6th inning.

2-0 GCL Reds after six innings.

BRM
06-30-2009, 02:48 PM
You gotta love seeing McDonald continue getting at-bats while Dorn sits.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 02:51 PM
You gotta love seeing McDonald continue getting at-bats while Dorn sits.

Yep. I don't understand that at all.

BRM
06-30-2009, 02:52 PM
Yep. I don't understand that at all.

The Reds must think he doesn't have much of a future. Otherwise, you'd think they would want him playing nearly everyday.

GOYA
06-30-2009, 02:57 PM
No Edwin. Hopefully he's on his way to Cincy.

No Dorn either, for the 2nd game in a row.

GIDP
06-30-2009, 03:01 PM
Getting ready to watch YAY

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 03:02 PM
2-0 GCL Reds after seven innings.

Danny Serafini
06-30-2009, 03:05 PM
Anyone able to get the audio link to work for the Louisville game?

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 03:08 PM
Sutton flied out.

Stubbs gets hit in the back.

GOYA
06-30-2009, 03:09 PM
Anyone able to get the audio link to work for the Louisville game?

The regular radio broadcast isn't on. Not sure what's going on there. Try the G-Braves audio link.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 03:10 PM
Ouch. And now Stubbs gets drilled with a pickoff throw.

Announcers talking about how impressed they have been with Heisey in this series.

Stubbs steals his 28th base.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 03:12 PM
Heisey K's on a 3-2 pitch. He showed a nice eye there laying off a couple close pitches.

Danny Serafini
06-30-2009, 03:15 PM
The regular radio broadcast isn't on. Not sure what's going on there. Try the G-Braves audio link.

The Gwinnett link is a mess. Looks like I don't get to listen. :(

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 03:20 PM
Lecure throws a 1-2-3 first inning. Strikeout looking, flyout to right, and groundout to third.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 03:24 PM
Rosales triples off the wall in left center and then scores on a throwing error.

reds44
06-30-2009, 03:25 PM
EE not playing in AAA today, one would assume he'll be playing in Cincinnati tonight?

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 03:27 PM
Valaika hits an opposite field HR! 2-0 Louisville.

Orenda
06-30-2009, 03:27 PM
You gotta love seeing McDonald continue getting at-bats while Dorn sits.

I got a chance to see one of the bats games the last time they played Gwinnett. Just like today it was Todd Redmond going against Sam Lecure only Dorn was in that game and on that day he looked real comfortable facing Redmond. He took him deep and worked a walk in 3 at bats. He should be playing today.

GIDP
06-30-2009, 03:28 PM
You gotta love Valaikas stroke. Its pretty darn short and smooth.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 03:29 PM
You gotta love Valaikas stroke. Its pretty darn short and smooth.

Yep.

The announcers were prasing Valaika for having a strong work ethic.

GOYA
06-30-2009, 03:29 PM
EE not playing in AAA today, one would assume he'll be playing in Cincinnati tonight?

There's been no roster move. It could be a regular day off. He's played nine days in a row. We'll find out soon enough.

GIDP
06-30-2009, 03:31 PM
Not to mention he seems to have that effortless swing. That ball was probably wind aided but it was still just a stright stroke with a easy follow through. I see how people compared him to Keppinger but with more power. He's one to watch for sure the rest of the year.

tyfighter
06-30-2009, 03:37 PM
Anyone else see that ******bag mascot behind home plate trying to distract Lecure?

reds44
06-30-2009, 03:43 PM
Anyone else see that ******bag mascot behind home plate trying to distract Lecure?
Hahahaha oh wow.

Benihana
06-30-2009, 03:44 PM
Sutton playing SS and Valaika at 2B? Shouldn't it be the other way around? And for pete's sake, why isn't Stubbs or Heisey leading off?!?

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 03:47 PM
Heisey crushes a long HR! 3-0 Louisville. That ball was crushed.

reds44
06-30-2009, 03:47 PM
Heisey just hit a shot.

GIDP
06-30-2009, 03:47 PM
That was a monster blast by Heisey.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 03:52 PM
This is only the second time I've seen Heisey play but I've been impressed with him both times. The other time was during spring training when he hit a triple off the batters eye in dead center against the Red Sox.

GOYA
06-30-2009, 03:52 PM
Dammit. I missed it. Hopefully, this will be available for replay on MiLB.TV tonight.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 03:59 PM
The GCL Reds won 4-1.

Bowe: 2-for-4 walk, 3 SB
Hamilton: 0-for-4 walk, SB
Lutz: 2-for-4 HBP, SB
Y. Rodriguez: 1-for-4 walk
Duran: 0-for-3 two walks
Vicioso: 1-for-3
H. Rodriguez: 1-for-3 walk

Cline: 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K, 9 GO/3 FO

Adames: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

Wiley: 2 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 3 K

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 04:06 PM
Valaika flies out to deep CF to end the top half of the fourth inning.

Lecure: 3 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K

GOYA
06-30-2009, 04:08 PM
Hamilton had a throwing error.

GIDP
06-30-2009, 04:14 PM
Any reason why this game is on MLBN? Have they been playing minor league games all year and I just didnt notice or what?

Caveat Emperor
06-30-2009, 04:17 PM
There's been no roster move. It could be a regular day off. He's played nine days in a row. We'll find out soon enough.

Wouldn't they also need to clear a spot on the 40-man roster, since EE went to the 60 day DL?

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 04:22 PM
Any reason why this game is on MLBN? Have they been playing minor league games all year and I just didnt notice or what?

This is the first time they've shown a minor league game. Hopefully this becomes a weekly thing.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 04:30 PM
Stubbs lines a single to left field to begin the 6th inning. 3-1 Louisville.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 04:31 PM
Throw down to first nails Stubbs as his foot came off the bag.

Heisey doubles off the wall in left. Just missed his second homer of the game.

nemesis
06-30-2009, 04:34 PM
Throw down to first nails Stubbs as his foot came off the bag.

Heisey doubles off the wall in left. Just missed his second homer of the game.

Yep. This Heisley guy just might be a prospect after all..

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 04:38 PM
Darnell McDonald drives in two runs with a double. 5-1 Louisville.

BRM
06-30-2009, 04:45 PM
Darnell McDonald drives in two runs with a double. 5-1 Louisville.

Hitting machine.

osuceltic
06-30-2009, 04:45 PM
Sutton playing SS and Valaika at 2B? Shouldn't it be the other way around? And for pete's sake, why isn't Stubbs or Heisey leading off?!?

Maybe they're seeing if Sutton can handle the position well enough to give him a shot in Cincy. Not saying he's the answer to our SS issues, but he might be a stopgap. Anyway, there are a lot of reasons to try guys in different positions.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 04:51 PM
Lecure: 6 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 5 K

He's looked pretty good today.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 04:59 PM
Louisville is threatening in the 7th.

Tatum walked, Lecure bunted him over, and Sutton singled. Runners on the corners with only one out and Stubbs up.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:00 PM
Stubbs gets robbed of a hit but a run scores. Stubbs looked safe. Bad call.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:02 PM
Heisey doubles to the wall again! He has a HR and two doubles, one hit the wall and the other bounced about a foot in front of the wall.

GOYA
06-30-2009, 05:06 PM
Pitches-strikes: LeCure 86-53 - 62%


Work is cutting into my baseball time. :(

thorn
06-30-2009, 05:07 PM
It's getting difficult to not get excited about Heisey. They guy seems like he can flat out rake.

Benihana
06-30-2009, 05:10 PM
Lecure: 6 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 5 K

He's looked pretty good today.

He's looked pretty good for a while now. (Hint Hint: TRADE HIM NOW!)

Benihana
06-30-2009, 05:12 PM
Maybe they're seeing if Sutton can handle the position well enough to give him a shot in Cincy. Not saying he's the answer to our SS issues, but he might be a stopgap. Anyway, there are a lot of reasons to try guys in different positions.

Yes but all reports have Valaika as a better fielder (at SS) than Sutton. Seeing as how they're both at the same level and Valaika projects as a slightly better prospect, why not leave him at SS and let Sutton be the utility guy (2B in Louisville)?

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:13 PM
Lecure: 7 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 5 K, 100 pitches

osuceltic
06-30-2009, 05:26 PM
Yes but all reports have Valaika as a better fielder (at SS) than Sutton. Seeing as how they're both at the same level and Valaika projects as a slightly better prospect, why not leave him at SS and let Sutton be the utility guy (2B in Louisville)?

Because they're not going to bring Valaika up this season, but they might bring Sutton up. He's on the 40-man. If they watch him in Louisville and determine he can handle the position at an acceptable level, they might bring him up to try to get another bat in the lineup.

redhawk61
06-30-2009, 05:29 PM
Thompson leaves the game with an injury, possible shoulder injury

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:30 PM
Daryl Thompson came on and allowed a double and flyout and then left with another injury.:(

Pedro Viola in.

GOYA
06-30-2009, 05:31 PM
OBM, you got your Viola wish.

What was the deal with Thompson leaving?

Benihana
06-30-2009, 05:31 PM
Wow, Thompson and Buck might be finished.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:32 PM
OBM, you got your Viola wish.

What was the deal with Thompson leaving?

Announcers called it a possible shoulder injury.

Viola blows a fastball past the first batter he faces. Two outs.

flyer85
06-30-2009, 05:34 PM
Heisey doubles to the wall again! He has a HR and two doubles, one hit the wall and the other bounced about a foot in front of the wall.maybe someday he will be as good as Willy T

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:34 PM
Heisey drops a flyball. Ouch. Ball popped right out of his glove. LOL, they rule it a double. Next batter singles in a run.

GOYA
06-30-2009, 05:35 PM
They scored that a hit? That's an E8.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:36 PM
They scored that a hit? That's an E8.

That official scorer should be embarrassed.

Viola's stuff is nasty.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:38 PM
A dropped flyball and now two straight seeing eye singles.

GOYA
06-30-2009, 05:38 PM
That official scorer should be embarrassed.

Viola's stuff is nasty.

Yes, it is. When Roenicke, Manuel and Viola were all here, I think we had 3 future closers.

edit: But you can also see where he needs to tighten up his control.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:38 PM
Yes, it is. When Roenicke, Manuel and Viola were all here, I think we had 3 future closers.

What about Fisher? His stuff is filthy too.

11larkin11
06-30-2009, 05:38 PM
Heisey drops a flyball. Ouch. Ball popped right out of his glove. LOL, they rule it a double. Next batter singles in a run.

Or, as the Gwinnet scorer rules it, Brandon Jones "doubles" to center.

I second what Chris Welsh was saying a few weeks ago in St. Louis, something HAS to be done about hometown scorers. MLB, hire 15 scorers, and have them rotate fields, like umpires. Its not that hard.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:40 PM
The announcers think Heisey thought he was closer to the wall than he really was.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:41 PM
If you look at the boxscore you would think Viola had a horrible outing. If you watched the game you would know the truth.

Dropped flyball, seeing eye single, another seeing eye single, and now a walk. New pitcher is Frederico Baez.

11larkin11
06-30-2009, 05:43 PM
The announcers think Heisey thought he was closer to the wall than he really was.

Could be. New league, probably never played in that stadium before this series

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:46 PM
Baez gives up a grand slam. Wow. Tie game.

GOYA
06-30-2009, 05:48 PM
What about Fisher? His stuff is filthy too.

I see Fisher as a setup guy. He might turn into a closer though.

GIDP
06-30-2009, 05:48 PM
Ha i walked back inside to watch that slam go over, now another homer. haha what a choke

GOYA
06-30-2009, 05:49 PM
The announcers think Heisey thought he was closer to the wall than he really was.

I think it might have been in the sun. He didn't seem to try to block with his glove though.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:50 PM
I feel sorry for Viola. Here is what his line looks like in the boxscore:

0.2 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 1 BB, 1 K

Here's what it should look like:

0.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

Viola's ERA jumps from 3.30 to 4.60 thanks to some stupid official scorer.

reds44
06-30-2009, 05:52 PM
And lets not forget the fact that Heisey actually was the one who dropped the flyball.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:54 PM
Aside from the error, which is uncharacteristic for Heisey, dude has been very, very impressive today.

11larkin11
06-30-2009, 05:58 PM
Come on Sweet. Bases loaded jam, you have Zach Stewart (who may not be allowed to pitch, but if he was, he should be in there), Ramon Ramirez, and Robert Manuel (whatever happened to the 4 out save?), and you go with Federico Baez?

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 05:58 PM
Now Gwinnet's left fielder almost drops a flyball. What the heck is going on out there?

Benihana
06-30-2009, 05:59 PM
I feel sorry for Viola. Here is what his line looks like in the boxscore:

0.2 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 1 BB, 1 K

Here's what it should look like:

0.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

Viola's ERA jumps from 3.30 to 4.60 thanks to some stupid official scorer.

Who cares?

If/when he gets promoted, it will be for his stuff, not for his minor league ERA. The team knows what he has, I don't think this outing (or that official score) matters much in the grand scheme of things.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 06:02 PM
Louisville loses 8-7. What a way to lose.

Sea Ray
06-30-2009, 06:16 PM
Come on Sweet. Bases loaded jam, you have Zach Stewart (who may not be allowed to pitch, but if he was, he should be in there), Ramon Ramirez, and Robert Manuel (whatever happened to the 4 out save?), and you go with Federico Baez?

Never heard of Baez. Is he a prospect or just AAA filler?

nemesis
06-30-2009, 07:00 PM
Never heard of Baez. Is he a prospect or just AAA filler?

Filler. He was a AA then moved up I think when Fisher was promoted.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 09:54 PM
Sarasota was postponed due to rain.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 09:55 PM
Dayton is winning 5-3 after five innings.

Sulbaran's final line: 4 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 3 BB, 6 K

Byron Wiley is 2-for-3 with a triple and 2 RBI.

11larkin11
06-30-2009, 10:23 PM
Dayton is winning 5-3 after five innings.

Sulbaran's final line: 4 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 3 BB, 6 K

Byron Wiley is 2-for-3 with a triple and 2 RBI.

Sulbaran gave up 3 runs, but they were unearned on his own error. I always thought E-1's should count as earned if the run scores.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2009, 11:45 PM
Carolina lost 4-2.

Frazier: 1-for-2 two walks
Cozart: 1-for-2 walk, sac fly

Ron Madden
07-01-2009, 04:11 AM
Anytime or anywhere the determination of an Official Scorer can and will be disputed, most of'em (official scorers) aint very good especially in the minor leagues.

Maybe Sam LeCure is better than his record shows, maybe Heisey hasn't really done as well as his stats tell us.

(Of course it works both ways. LeCure could be worse and Heisey better than the stats show.)

Nobody can watch every play of every game. We depend on recorded stats to judge players.

The sad thing is there is no standard for judging the competence of Official Scoreres or Umpires who play a huge role in all of this. :(

sorry for the rant.

lollipopcurve
07-01-2009, 09:50 AM
Watched a tape of the game. Impressions:

Heisey has a nice short swing with solid pop -- encouraging. Stubbs' swing is not as compact/quick to the ball.

I like Valaika's potential as a hitter. Obviously he's having a poor year, but it looks to me like he can be a middle infielder with good EBH power.

Lecure is solid. Good downhill plane on the fastball, which has some late life. Breaking ball not bad, sometimes good. He's serviceable depth for the back of the rotation -- or even a bullpen guy down the road, as he could probably pump strikes and stay ahead with a decent fastball. He's polished and could fill in at any point.

HokieRed
07-01-2009, 10:06 AM
Lollipop, how would you rank Lecure vis-a-vis Maloney and how close is he to being a credible replacement for Bronson?

lollipopcurve
07-01-2009, 10:41 AM
Lollipop, how would you rank Lecure vis-a-vis Maloney and how close is he to being a credible replacement for Bronson?

I appreciate your asking, Hokie -- not sure I can be as definite as you want me to be.

I suspect Lecure could survive OK in the majors at this point. But, like Maloney, his success would often depend on his keeping the ball down. It's hard to rank them vis-a-vis each other, since we haven't seen Lecure in the major league environment. But, I thought Maloney showed pretty good stuff -- nice changeup, particularly -- and the ability to throw strikes and K some guys in the majors. In addition, his numbers at AAA have been better than Lecure's. So, I give him the edge at this point. As far as being credible replacements for Arroyo, I don't really know how to evaluate Arroyo at this point... is he merely in a down cycle, or is his carpal tunnel going to limit his effectiveness all year? If it's the latter, yeah, they could do what he's been doing lately. If he's going to bounce back, like he did in the latter part of last year, then no -- they're not ready to perform at that level.

Bottom line -- I think they're solid back of rotation depth. For the first time in forever, the Reds have 3 young guys (I include Bailey) at AAA who are more or less ready to fill in when holes develop in the major league rotation.

DTCromer
07-01-2009, 11:35 AM
Now Gwinnet's left fielder almost drops a flyball. What the heck is going on out there?

What's going on? More subtle excuses for Heisey's drop.

lollipopcurve
07-01-2009, 11:47 AM
More subtle excuses for Heisey's drop.

Mistakes happen. The kid's a decent OF -- his record does not show error binges, and the scouting reports say he can defend well.

The only rational assessment of Heisey after watching that game is that he is emerging as a dangerous hitter. To focus on the drop is to miss the big picture of what he is.

membengal
07-01-2009, 11:49 AM
Mistakes happen. The kid's a decent OF -- his record does not show error binges, and the scouting reports say he can defend well.

The only rational assessment of Heisey after watching that game is that he is emerging as a dangerous hitter. To focus on the drop is to miss the big picture of what he is.

Word.

GIDP
07-01-2009, 11:53 AM
DT is king of reminding you of how a good player is flawed and how a bad player has positives. :laugh:

OnBaseMachine
07-01-2009, 12:23 PM
What's going on? More subtle excuses for Heisey's drop.

If you say so.

GOYA
07-01-2009, 12:56 PM
Lollipop, how would you rank Lecure vis-a-vis Maloney and how close is he to being a credible replacement for Bronson?

You didn't ask me but I've seen both pitch several times. LeCure has improved quite a bit from earlier this year but he is not at Maloney's level. Maloney's command and ability to consistently throw his breaking stuff for strikes makes him the stronger pitcher. The big question is how will their stuff go over in the bigs. We already know that Maloney had problems and to me they were expected. Maloney will be a fine MLB pitcher but will need time to adjust. LeCure is still developing and may end up better than Maloney but if there was a need for a starter for the Reds, my first choice from Louisville would be Lehr. Then Maloney. If we need more than Homer, Lehr and Maloney from Louisville, were screwed anyway.

Ron Madden
07-02-2009, 03:42 AM
Mistakes happen. The kid's a decent OF -- his record does not show error binges, and the scouting reports say he can defend well.

The only rational assessment of Heisey after watching that game is that he is emerging as a dangerous hitter. To focus on the drop is to miss the big picture of what he is.


I believe Edwin fits into this assessment as well.