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GIDP
06-30-2009, 10:07 PM
before he takes another walk.

Last walk was May 23 and 89 PA ago

Im going to say around the 150 PA mark but I'm one of his biggest haters.

Maybe this thread will fix taveras and he will take one before the nights over but lets just make a game out of it.

Mark me down for 150 PA.

Captain Hook
06-30-2009, 10:35 PM
The only walk I want Taveras to take is the walk to Baker's office so he can be told that he has lost his job as the everyday CF and lead off man.

Plus Plus
06-30-2009, 10:46 PM
Willy Taveras is the Drain-O to Dusty Baker's walk philosophy. My guess is that Willy will never walk again, and will play every day because of it.

CySeymour
06-30-2009, 11:37 PM
Willy Taveras is the Drain-O to Dusty Baker's walk philosophy. My guess is that Willy will never walk again, and will play every day because of it.

You know how when a big, strong, dangerous hitter walks to the plate, and you see pitchers really afraid to throw them a strike? Taveras is the opposite. When he comes to the plate, the pitcher should probably be fined if he DOESN'T throw a strike. Any kind a strike. Right down the middle, at the belt...it's fine.

nemesis
07-01-2009, 12:43 AM
You know how when a big, strong, dangerous hitter walks to the plate, and you see pitchers really afraid to throw them a strike? Taveras is the opposite. When he comes to the plate, the pitcher should probably be fined if he DOESN'T throw a strike. Any kind a strike. Right down the middle, at the belt...it's fine.

Agreed. Pitchers have figured out he's about as dangerous as wet Kleenex at the plate. He's been fed strike after strike. W/O the few bunt hits lately he'd be near the Mendoza Line. It's not gonna change unless he develops some kinda pop. I wonder if there is a less feared hitter in th NL. He went the ENTIRE month of June W/O a walk. I'd like to know how many 3 ball counts he saw in June. Mark me down with no walks til after the All Star Break.

GIDP
07-01-2009, 12:44 AM
Come on guys play along in my game!

CySeymour
07-01-2009, 12:51 AM
Put me down for 125 PA's

Plus Plus
07-01-2009, 01:05 AM
If he stays in the leadoff spot, he will not walk again this season. The only way I see him walking is intentionally, and that would require him being put in the 8 hole.

I guess I will optomistically say he will walk in 165 PAs. But I honestly do not see him walking unless it is intentionally somehow. He has no plate discipline and pitchers throw him strike after strike after strike because he has no ability to him whatsoever.

CesarGeronimo
07-01-2009, 01:07 AM
The anti-clogger will go 208 at bats without a walk, breaking the major league record of 207 set by Alex Sanchez. (http://research.sabr.org/brj/index.php/they-could-run-but-couldnt-walk)

Captain Hook
07-01-2009, 01:22 AM
He will never walk again.

Slyder
07-02-2009, 03:37 PM
walk? Whats that? my guess short of him being "demoted" to the 8 hole or benched never again. Cause you know Duhhhsty wants his players to be "Hitters" and not "clog the bases".

texasdave
07-02-2009, 03:57 PM
When is hell scheduled to freeze over again?

mroby85
07-02-2009, 04:26 PM
:D

GIDP
07-02-2009, 04:46 PM
Willy T has now not walked in 97 PA.

TheBigLebowski
07-02-2009, 05:24 PM
60 more

Ghosts of 1990
07-02-2009, 05:56 PM
I'm not gonna blame willy completely. I think Brook Jacoby has screwed up his approach.

Kingspoint
07-02-2009, 09:14 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?sort=OPS&split=0&league=nl&season=2009&seasonType=2&type=reg&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&minpa=0&hand=a&pos=all&startDate=null&endDate=null&qual=true&count=48

There are 164 players who have enough Plate Appearances to qualify for a batting title in the Major Leagues.

Willie Taveras' rankings among these 164 players:

OPS: 163rd
SLG: 162nd
OBP: 159th
BB's: T-150th
RBI's: 164th (He's got 11 to 163rd Felipe Lopez' 16. He'll never get out of last place.)
HR: T-157th
AB's: 120th
Runs: T-85th
2B's: T-131st (w/ Hairston)
Pitches/PA: 105th
XBH: T-158th
TB: 162nd (you can't score if you can't get around the bases)
RC27: 160th (This stat alone shows that he should not even be on the team and that he's the #1 reason why they aren't doing better than they are doing.)
ISOP: 160th
SECA: 157th
RC: 160th
BB/PA: 148th

aceace
07-03-2009, 12:03 AM
You would think either

A. He would just start trying to bunt every time.

B. Dusty would tell him to bunt every time.

CesarGeronimo
07-03-2009, 12:16 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?sort=OPS&split=0&league=nl&season=2009&seasonType=2&type=reg&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&minpa=0&hand=a&pos=all&startDate=null&endDate=null&qual=true&count=48

There are 164 players who have enough Plate Appearances to qualify for a batting title in the Major Leagues.

Willie Taveras' rankings among these 164 players:

OPS: 163rd
SLG: 162nd
OBP: 159th
BB's: T-150th
RBI's: 164th (He's got 11 to 163rd Felipe Lopez' 16. He'll never get out of last place.)
HR: T-157th
AB's: 120th
Runs: T-85th
2B's: T-131st (w/ Hairston)
Pitches/PA: 105th
XBH: T-158th
TB: 162nd (you can't score if you can't get around the bases)
RC27: 160th (This stat alone shows that he should not even be on the team and that he's the #1 reason why they aren't doing better than they are doing.)
ISOP: 160th
SECA: 157th
RC: 160th
BB/PA: 148th

I'd say that pretty well sums it up. The amazing thing given all of that is that not only does Taveras still start, he still freakin leads off. If not the worst hitter among major league regulars this season, he is among the bottom five for certain. Yet, he is the leadoff hitter for the Reds!

GIDP
07-03-2009, 12:17 AM
This isnt a bash Taveras thread!

aceace
07-03-2009, 01:38 AM
I'm gonna say PA #127

SoTxRedsFan
07-03-2009, 11:40 AM
I'm not gonna blame willy completely. I think Brook Jacoby has screwed up his approach.

Was Jacoby his coach in Houston and Colorado? Because he's pretty much the same player he has always been. Terrible.

SoTxRedsFan
07-03-2009, 11:41 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?sort=OPS&split=0&league=nl&season=2009&seasonType=2&type=reg&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&minpa=0&hand=a&pos=all&startDate=null&endDate=null&qual=true&count=48

There are 164 players who have enough Plate Appearances to qualify for a batting title in the Major Leagues.

Willie Taveras' rankings among these 164 players:

OPS: 163rd
SLG: 162nd
OBP: 159th
BB's: T-150th
RBI's: 164th (He's got 11 to 163rd Felipe Lopez' 16. He'll never get out of last place.)
HR: T-157th
AB's: 120th
Runs: T-85th
2B's: T-131st (w/ Hairston)
Pitches/PA: 105th
XBH: T-158th
TB: 162nd (you can't score if you can't get around the bases)
RC27: 160th (This stat alone shows that he should not even be on the team and that he's the #1 reason why they aren't doing better than they are doing.)
ISOP: 160th
SECA: 157th
RC: 160th
BB/PA: 148th

How can Dusty see these numbers and not realize that Wily is not the answer at the top of the lineup? It's so frustrating when we don't put our best lineup out there every night.

GIDP
07-03-2009, 11:43 AM
How can Dusty see these numbers and not realize that Wily is not the answer at the top of the lineup? It's so frustrating when we don't put our best lineup out there every night.

Because Dusty doesnt see those numbers. He sees the career high from houston, and thinks Willy is just in a slump and is due. `

texasdave
07-03-2009, 12:01 PM
What does he rank in GISP (getting in scoring position)? That's all Dusty's interested in. And my is he fast.

To be fair, until the middle of May, Taveras was an above-average leadoff batter. Since then, cover your eyes, he has OPSed .348. Remarkably, he still does tend to score when he reaches base. In this slump he has 19 hits, 3 walks and reached on errors 3 times. And in those 25 times on he has scored 12 runs. That is a 48% clip. The NL average for leadoff batters is 39%.

So Willy can motor around the bases if he gets on.

And I would be a millionaire if I had a million dollars.

CesarGeronimo
07-03-2009, 02:35 PM
How can Dusty see these numbers and not realize that Wily is not the answer at the top of the lineup? It's so frustrating when we don't put our best lineup out there every night.

The real eye-popper, of course, is that the Reds have a guy that ranks 159 out of 164 in OBP leading off. `:eek:

Kingspoint
07-03-2009, 06:39 PM
Because Dusty doesnt see those numbers. He sees the career high from houston, and thinks Willy is just in a slump and is due. `

The "Corey Patterson" syndrome.

BTW, how's CP doing this season? Tearing it up on some other Major League Roster because we failed to resign him.

He only had a job last year in the Majors because of Dusty's inability to recognize what constitutes a baseball player and what doesn't.

Same with Taveras this season.

Kingspoint
07-03-2009, 06:40 PM
That Taveras signing is so contrary to Walt's style, that I don't think Walt had anything to do with it.

I'm pretty sure it was Castellini telling Jockety that Dusty wants him, and so do I. Get him signed. Otherwise it wouldn't have made any sense for that second year when they still would have held rights to him after a 1-year contract because of his time-in-majors.

texasdave
07-03-2009, 06:44 PM
Same with Corey Patterson. He doesn't have a job in 2008 and all of a sudden he is signing for 3 million??? Makes no sense. Dusty should be getting Christmas Cards from the Patterson's and the Taveras' forever.

GIDP
07-03-2009, 11:28 PM
I was really having fun with this thread then Willy had to go and ruin it.

I still hold out hope he makes it to 150 with 1 walk.

Captain Hook
07-05-2009, 01:40 AM
New topic same title:

How long will Taveras continue to be our starting CF?Can anyone see any scenario where Willy isn't our everyday CF for the rest of this year and next season.This obviously can't be any reason that makes sense because there are already plenty of those that are being discussed.

I'd say that we are stuck with him until 2010.I love the idea of getting Kemp but like its being discussed in that thread Dusty would probably move a perfectly good CF to a different position so Willy ca keep playing.

Plus Plus
07-05-2009, 01:59 AM
I would like to wait to see if moving to the 2 hole in front of Votto helps WT out a bit. He has looked pretty good the last two games- a lot more comfortable, and worlds more useful. If he keeps doing well in the 2 hole for whatever reason (not saying he will) then I am OK (not happy, not upset) with him in CF.

That being said, bring me Matt Kemp please.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 02:02 AM
We have to hope he does well because its the only hope we have of getting any production out of him.

He will have to hit near .475 for a month to make him worthy of starting.

GIDP
07-08-2009, 10:38 AM
115 PA

1 BB

I still think he can reach 150 with not another walk.

Cant Touch This
07-08-2009, 10:56 AM
His next walk will be through the valley of the shadow of death. He shall walk through the valley in peace. There will be no taking pitches there. And if Dusty himself shall be his leader, he shall walk through the valley in peace.