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Chip R
07-01-2009, 08:06 PM
Hopefully Cueto can get the Reds back on the winning track.

GAC
07-01-2009, 08:12 PM
Arizona

F. Lopez 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .303
S. Drew ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .251
J. Upton rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .320
M. Reynolds 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .274
G. Parra lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .257
C. Young cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .197
M. Montero c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .255
C. Tracy 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .203
J. Garland p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .036
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Cincinnati

C. Dickerson cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .277
J. Hairston Jr. ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .249
J. Votto 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .351
B. Phillips 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .270
L. Nix lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .259
R. Hernandez c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .246
J. Bruce rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .215
D. Richar 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .167
J. Cueto p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .148
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

VR
07-01-2009, 08:21 PM
It's fairly clear the Reds are going to throw up a 10 spot tonight.....but 5+ ERA guys have been there poison lately. That was before the return of king Joey however.

I'll go with a 10-1 rout for the Reds tonight.

GAC
07-01-2009, 08:21 PM
Gee! I'm torn between watching Dusty's boys or Seinfeld. Never thought it would come to this. :lol:

chat is open! :beerme:

klw
07-01-2009, 08:29 PM
no damage in the top of the 1St. 1-2-3 after an opening walk .

klw
07-01-2009, 08:32 PM
1-2-3 and on to the second

sonny
07-01-2009, 08:37 PM
It's fairly clear the Reds are going to throw up a 10 spot tonight.....but 5+ ERA guys have been there poison lately. That was before the return of king Joey however.

I'll go with a 10-1 rout for the Reds tonight.

With Garland hitting a solo shot? I took my Dad to the Father's Day game against the White Sox when Garland comes to the plate. I told a Sox fan next to me "Watch, this guy will hit a double" After the homerun, turned to the guy and shrugged. "Hey, it wasn't a double"

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 08:38 PM
Cueto defintely showing some frustration on the mound tonight.

Reds Fanatic
07-01-2009, 08:39 PM
Already 4 walks in 1 2/3 innings

Falls City Beer
07-01-2009, 08:40 PM
Already 4 walks in 1 2/3 innings

This team walks a massive amount of hitters.

Ltlabner
07-01-2009, 08:41 PM
Trainer to mound.

JC playing with his back/stretching a few times between pitches.

Awestome.

Reds Fanatic
07-01-2009, 08:42 PM
In 2 innings: 4 walks and 3 strikeouts for Cueto. You almost never see a breakdown of pitches like this. 46 pitches (23 strikes, 23 balls)

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 08:43 PM
Cueto is really favoring his back slowly walking to the dugout. He might get pulled if it doesn't loosen up between innings.

Falls City Beer
07-01-2009, 08:45 PM
Cueto is really favoring his back slowly walking to the dugout. He might get pulled if it doesn't loosen up between innings.

Masset's going to be a starter by the time the season's over. And he'll probably be the team's 2nd best starter.

GAC
07-01-2009, 08:45 PM
From watching Johnny rubbin', it looks like lower lumbar tightness. An area of the back I know very well. ;)

Reds Fanatic
07-01-2009, 08:47 PM
I wonder if the weather could have hurt him with not getting loose it is unusually cool night in Cincinnati for July 1st.

TheBurn
07-01-2009, 08:47 PM
How does Phillips not get to 2nd on that?

Falls City Beer
07-01-2009, 08:50 PM
I wonder if the weather could have hurt him with not getting loose it is unusually cool night in Cincinnati for July 1st.

I'd think the likelier reasons would be: 1. he's had this problem before and 2. he's 5'10" and throws 95 MPH.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 08:52 PM
Masset's going to be a starter by the time the season's over. And he'll probably be the team's 2nd best starter.

If Arroyo gets DL'd I would definitely move Massett into the rotation as I think it would be easier for the Reds to give Fisher and Roenicke his innings in the pen. Rather see that than Maloney or Lehr.

Raisor
07-01-2009, 08:52 PM
From watching Johnny rubbin', it looks like lower lumbar tightness. An area of the back I know very well. ;)

This brings back memories of Gorilla Monsoon on Prime Time Wrestling.

CTA513
07-01-2009, 08:54 PM
Masset's going to be a starter by the time the season's over. And he'll probably be the team's 2nd best starter.

He might eventually become a starter but I doubt he'll be the 2nd best starter on the team.

Falls City Beer
07-01-2009, 08:57 PM
I'd really like to take just one game from the D-Backs in this series.

Tom Servo
07-01-2009, 08:59 PM
This brings back memories of Gorilla Monsoon on Prime Time Wrestling.
They are literally hanging from the rafters at the Great American Ball Park.

Falls City Beer
07-01-2009, 09:01 PM
They are literally hanging from the rafters at the Great American Ball Park.

He's favoring his lower metatarsal area.

Reds Fanatic
07-01-2009, 09:04 PM
5 Ks for Cueto. He continues to throw a lot of pitches. He is at 66 pitches through 3.

BCubb2003
07-01-2009, 09:04 PM
It's a challenge for fans like us to cope with the starting pitchers' pattern of struggling early, settling down and pitching well for several innings, then leaving in trouble.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 09:07 PM
If Arroyo gets DL'd I would definitely move Massett into the rotation as I think it would be easier for the Reds to give Fisher and Roenicke his innings in the pen. Rather see that than Maloney or Lehr.

Ain't happening. Massett would have to be stretched out gradually after a half season of one inning stints. Justin Lehr is probably next in case of injury.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 09:11 PM
I know its second guessing but how can you send Richar with one out there.

CTA513
07-01-2009, 09:11 PM
Dickerson with a double and Richar is easily out at home.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 09:11 PM
Richar gets on then gets thrown out at home on a Dickerson double. He had no chance, don't know why he was sent on that play.

Falls City Beer
07-01-2009, 09:13 PM
Justin Lehr is probably next in case of injury.

Hella depth.

lollipopcurve
07-01-2009, 09:15 PM
Terrible decision by Mark Berry. He has to know that the RF corner is closer in Cincy, Justin Upton and Felipe Lopez both have bazookas, and it's 1 out in the 3rd inning of a 0-0 game with the top of the lineup coming up. Just a brutally poor decision.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 09:16 PM
Hella depth.

Well, the next starter to go out would be the second guy down. It would be better to have another good candidate at AAA. Lehr's pitched well though, as a stopgap he might be ok.

Really annoyed by Reds sending Richar home that last inning. Not happy.

Falls City Beer
07-01-2009, 09:17 PM
I'd be willing to wager that decisions made by the athletes themselves vis. baserunning would be equally efficacious compared to those made by coaches.

Falls City Beer
07-01-2009, 09:18 PM
Well, the next starter to go out would be the second guy down. It would be better to have another good candidate at AAA. Lehr's pitched well though, as a stopgap he might be ok.

Really annoyed by Reds sending Richar home that last inning. Not happy.

Like Elizardo, Maloney, or Bailey?

Kc61
07-01-2009, 09:21 PM
Like Elizardo, Maloney, or Bailey?

Elizardo, Ramirez, Livingston, all did ok in those spots. Not for the long term, but I'd guess that Lehr might do ok for a few starts. Ultimately, the league would more than likely catch up to him.

Gallen5862
07-01-2009, 09:22 PM
How is Cuetos stuff tonight? How many hits do the Reds have?

CrackerJack
07-01-2009, 09:25 PM
3 hits for Reds, 1 for Backs I believe...

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 09:26 PM
ow is Cuetos stuff tonight? How many hits do the Reds have?

Cueto had some back pain early on seemed to be tight and his velocity was down. Last few innings he has been looking better throwing his fastball in the 94-95 range with his change mixed in nicely. Reds have 3 hits so far of Garland.

Mario-Rijo
07-01-2009, 09:26 PM
All of 4 pitches there in the 4th, way to go middle of the lineup. He's a pitch to contact pitcher, gotta get him to get the ball up a bit. The guy has like 41 pitches thru 4!

BTW all 4 of Cuetos BB's to the LH's all of his K's against the RH's (except one to Drew the switch hitter).

GAC
07-01-2009, 09:32 PM
MY GAWD! SOMEONE SCORE A FRIGGIN RUN!

You'd think this was Cy Young vs Tom Seaver out there.

Do the Reds realize that their opponent is something like 16 games UNDER .500?

Hoosier Red
07-01-2009, 09:33 PM
Cueto's heating up, he's retired 10 consecutive.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 09:33 PM
Cueto's back must be feeling better as he has kicked it into gear the last three innings. Nice K of Fe'lo.

GAC
07-01-2009, 09:33 PM
A titantic battle between two putrid offenses.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 09:34 PM
Cueto has looked unhittable for the last few innings. Strikes out Lopez.

Reds have no business sending runners home with one out when the defense easily gets him with good throws. Can't send runners hoping major league players will muff the throw. Team has enough trouble scoring runs.

Falls City Beer
07-01-2009, 09:34 PM
MY GAWD! SOMEONE SCORE A FRIGGIN RUN!

You'd think this was Cy Young vs Tom Seaver out there.

Do the Reds realize that their opponent is something like 16 games UNDER .500?

The guy who throws the most strikes usually wins.

That's not a fortune cookie, btw.

Mario-Rijo
07-01-2009, 09:34 PM
Cueto's back must be feeling better as he has kicked it into gear the last three innings. Nice K of Fe'lo.

But do you send him back out for the 6th in a 1 hitter with the meat of the order due up and at 97 pitches?

Kc61
07-01-2009, 09:36 PM
But do you send him back out for the 6th in a 1 hitter with the meat of the order due up and at 97 pitches?

Yes, you absolutely let Cueto throw another inning. He is throwing free and easy now and is blowing the DBacks away.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 09:36 PM
Reds making Garland look like Hochevar tonight, 44 pitches so far.

Falls City Beer
07-01-2009, 09:38 PM
Reds making Garland look like Hochevar tonight, 44 pitches so far.

Garland's been better than Arroyo and Owings this season--and occasionally even those two can throw a pretty good game.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 09:40 PM
I'm told that Bruce is going to go on a tear any week now...

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 09:43 PM
Just three bad Ab's by Bruce, Richar, and Cueto leaving Hernandez stranded at 2nd.

Ltlabner
07-01-2009, 09:45 PM
Garland's been better than Arroyo and Owings this season--


NAME AGE IP WHIP H9 BB9 SO9 HR9
Jon Garland 29 89.3 1.57 10.38 3.73 3.32 1.01
Bronson Arroyo 32 98.0 1.52 10.10 3.58 4.78 1.84
Micah Owings 26 83.7 1.55 9.47 4.52 5.38 1.29

With the exception of homers per 9, I see no difference between the three.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 09:45 PM
Just three bad Ab's by Bruce, Richar, and Cueto leaving Hernandez stranded at 2nd.


Just terrible.

GAC
07-01-2009, 09:50 PM
Garland's been better than Arroyo and Owings this season--and occasionally even those two can throw a pretty good game.

That ain't saying much.

The scouting report on Garland, who is 4-7, with a 5.07 ERA....

Garland has not won since May 19, a span of seven starts. In fairness, there were a few games during that stretch when he pitched well enough to win. His last outing against the Rangers was not one of them. The right-hander allowed six runs (four earned) on eight hits over 6 1/3 innings in what turned out to be a 9-8, 12-inning loss. His start prior to that, however, was a dandy. He tossed seven shutout innings in that one only to walk away with a no-decision. There has been a significant home/road split for him this year. In eight games at Chase Field, he is 2-4 with a 7.51 ERA while in seven road starts he is 2-3 with a 2.60 ERA

reds44
07-01-2009, 09:50 PM
I'm letting Cueto pitch the 7th.

/unpopular statement

reds44
07-01-2009, 09:52 PM
Why Dickerson ever sits on the bench at this point is beyond me.

Tom Servo
07-01-2009, 09:55 PM
Yes! Giving up outs is awesome!

reds44
07-01-2009, 09:57 PM
Great baserunning by Dickerson.

1-0

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 09:57 PM
Can't believe they gave Votto something to hit there.

nate
07-01-2009, 09:58 PM
Nice baserunning by Dickerson and Votto.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 10:05 PM
Rhodes in the game for Cueto. He ran the pitch count up in the early innings with all the walks.

Dickerson has been extremely impressive.

Zona gets a lead off bunt single. That's the way to go after Rhodes, bunt on him.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 10:07 PM
Wild pitch. Man on second, no out for Ariz.

CTA513
07-01-2009, 10:09 PM
bunt single, wild pitch and then a walk for the Diamondbacks.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 10:09 PM
Rhodes walks Young. Two on, none out, for DBacks.

CTA513
07-01-2009, 10:11 PM
That was the 4th walk this series to the .196 hitting Chris Young.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 10:12 PM
Not sure I love the strategy by Dusty here.

BCubb2003
07-01-2009, 10:12 PM
That was the 4th walk this series to the .196 hitting Chris Young.

Batting average is over-rated.

CTA513
07-01-2009, 10:13 PM
Not sure I love the strategy by Dusty here.

Garlands up next and with a base open I wouldn't give Roberts anything to hit.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 10:14 PM
Not sure I love the strategy by Dusty here.

Rhodes says take that, with a nice K of Roberts.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 10:14 PM
Rhodes with a K. Tony Clark now comes up with two out.

CTA513
07-01-2009, 10:14 PM
Rhodes gets Roberts to chase a high fastball.

Clark is now pinch hitting for Garland

Kc61
07-01-2009, 10:16 PM
Bags full. Now Lopez with the sacks juiced. Big spot for Rhodes.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 10:18 PM
Rhodes thinks he's getting squeezed. Behind in the count on Lopez.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 10:20 PM
Rhodes comes back and gets Lopez to fly out on a full count pitch.

Tom Servo
07-01-2009, 10:20 PM
All Hail King Arthurrr!

Falls City Beer
07-01-2009, 10:21 PM
Arthur's straight stuntin'.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 10:22 PM
Arthur was definitely doing his best Mitch Williams impression that inning.

CrackerJack
07-01-2009, 10:24 PM
Zavada looks ridiculous

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 10:25 PM
Lefties are owning Bruce this season.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 10:26 PM
Zavada looks ridiculous

Relievers can get away with that look though.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 10:27 PM
Gomes will be up hacking in this at bat.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 10:30 PM
Two men on now. Janish hitting for Rhodes. Perhaps Owings would have been a better idea. Prove me wrong, Janish.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 10:32 PM
Single for Janish. Bases loaded. Bruce might have scored on that but at least he's standing on third with a chance to score now. Dickerson against the lefty.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 10:33 PM
Not sure Bruce would have scored there but you have to be better on the bases than that.

reds44
07-01-2009, 10:33 PM
Need to add on a couple runs here.

guttle11
07-01-2009, 10:35 PM
Zavada looks ridiculous

-ly awesome.

That 'stache is aces.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 10:35 PM
Dickerson fans. Righty coming in to face Hairston.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 10:38 PM
Nothing. On to the eighth. What an offense.

reds44
07-01-2009, 10:39 PM
The offense is offensive.

Tom Servo
07-01-2009, 10:41 PM
Stormy in to pitch the 8th.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 10:43 PM
Unfortunately it wasn't just the bats that inning. How Bruce thought Janish's single was going to be caught is beyond me.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 10:46 PM
Weather's teachin' school that inning.

Falls City Beer
07-01-2009, 10:46 PM
Weathers is da nast.

CTA513
07-01-2009, 10:47 PM
K #105 for Reynolds this season

Caveat Emperor
07-01-2009, 10:47 PM
Rhodes & Weathers: Respect yo' elders, fool.

Tom Servo
07-01-2009, 10:48 PM
Votto singles. Because he's awesome.

Hoosier Red
07-01-2009, 10:48 PM
Unfortunately it wasn't just the bats that inning. How Bruce thought Janish's single was going to be caught is beyond me.

That was ugly, but I'm wondering if he saw Berry giving him the hold up sign and thought the ball had been caught? No proof or anything just a theory.

Tom Servo
07-01-2009, 10:49 PM
Phillips hits into a Phillips.

Kc61
07-01-2009, 10:50 PM
That was fast. Cordero time.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 10:51 PM
That was ugly, but I'm wondering if he saw Berry giving him the hold up sign and thought the ball had been caught? No proof or anything just a theory.

I thought that too at first but on the replay you could see Jay was fooled on that play, not even looking at Berry.

HokieRed
07-01-2009, 10:51 PM
Some things don't change. BP for the DP.

CTA513
07-01-2009, 10:55 PM
Cordero with 2 quick outs

CTA513
07-01-2009, 10:58 PM
Montero grounds out.

Reds win 1-0

Tom Servo
07-01-2009, 10:58 PM
This one belongs to the Cuetos.

_Sir_Charles_
07-01-2009, 10:58 PM
2 hit shutout. Nice.

KoryMac5
07-01-2009, 10:59 PM
Big Win tonight, lets hope we can get to Davis tomorrow.

reds44
07-01-2009, 10:59 PM
Somebody explain to me how this team is 38-38.

Winnin' ugly.

CarolinaRedleg
07-01-2009, 10:59 PM
So that's what? Seven shutouts this year?

Gallen5862
07-01-2009, 11:01 PM
"And This One Belongs To The Reds."

Strikes Out Looking
07-01-2009, 11:03 PM
Somebody explain to me how this team is 38-38.

Winnin' ugly.

It's all about the pitching. Offense is gravy.

reds44
07-01-2009, 11:12 PM
It's all about the pitching. Offense is gravy.
It's not like the starting pitching has been lights out either, though. Arroyo, Owings, and Bailey/Maloney all are adventures every night. Harang is probably on the downside of his career now too.

This team has only had two consistent factors all year:
The bullpen
Johnny Cueto

VR
07-02-2009, 12:06 AM
The Reds record vs. pitchers w/ a 5+ ERA this year has to be about 1-9 with a 1.21 earnie....it's just amazing.

Good win nonetheless.:thumbup:

DoogMinAmo
07-02-2009, 12:40 AM
******s in the thread title, 1-0 record... KEEP THE STREAK ALIVE!!!!

Now I wonder whose genius play of words that is? :)

PuffyPig
07-02-2009, 01:42 AM
Somebody explain to me how this team is 38-38.

Winnin' ugly.

The best bullpen in the league.

WVRedsFan
07-02-2009, 01:50 AM
Somebody explain to me how this team is 38-38.

Winnin' ugly.

That's what you get when you emphasize pitching and defense and forsake any semblance of offense. It's what you get when you value the Jerry Hairston, Jr's and Alex Gonzalez's of the world. The theory was to get away from the long ball as a weapon and use small ball to manufacture runs with a team of people who don't know how to do that (hackers do not apply). It works sometimes (like tonight), but when the other team scores 4 or more runs early, we are losers before we begin. It's also interesting to note that we've been searching for a bat since last October and so far all we've got is castoffs and callups from the minors.

Good win, but also lucky. One mistake from the relief corps and we lose again against one of the worst teams in baseball. The sad part is unless moves are made, we're stuck in this mode for the forseeable future. It's boring and you can see the attendance in the game thread to prove it. Same in the attendance at the park. People want to be enterained as well as watching winning baseball. They're winning more, but it just isn't very entertaining for the average fan, and that's the majority of fans.

SirFelixCat
07-02-2009, 02:06 AM
As it was pointed out yesterday in another thread, obviously, it's the pitching on this team that's the problem.:rolleyes:

WVRedsFan
07-02-2009, 02:12 AM
As it was pointed out yesterday in another thread, obviously, it's the pitching on this team that's the problem.:rolleyes:
Hardly.

The pitching is better than I've seen it since the 1970's or the 1990 wire-to-wire team. That said, those teams had offense--players who could hit and do so with consistency. This team, after the great gutting of offensive players has leaned on marginal players to produce runs. Witness Chris Dickerson, who has some potential, sitting on the bench while Willy T plays or bringing up hot hitting minor leaguers and expecting them to produce at MLB levels. And yet, we are at .500 and probably will be for the season unless the offense is addressed. The pitching is wonderful, but scoring runs is important, too. I want the Reds to win and to win you must score runs and not 1-3 runs on three nights and break out for seven the next against bad pitching. It may be a work in progress, but progress is something I cannot see at present. Can you?

Scrap Irony
07-02-2009, 03:51 AM
.500 is better than this club has been for almost ten years now. And, personally, I like winning much more than losing.

Do they have an offense? Dunno. Not all the parts have been there enough to tell. So far, they have enough of one to go 38-38. And that's better than all those supposedly great offensive machines have done for a decade.

SirFelixCat
07-02-2009, 11:18 AM
Hardly.

The pitching is better than I've seen it since the 1970's or the 1990 wire-to-wire team. That said, those teams had offense--players who could hit and do so with consistency. This team, after the great gutting of offensive players has leaned on marginal players to produce runs. Witness Chris Dickerson, who has some potential, sitting on the bench while Willy T plays or bringing up hot hitting minor leaguers and expecting them to produce at MLB levels. And yet, we are at .500 and probably will be for the season unless the offense is addressed. The pitching is wonderful, but scoring runs is important, too. I want the Reds to win and to win you must score runs and not 1-3 runs on three nights and break out for seven the next against bad pitching. It may be a work in progress, but progress is something I cannot see at present. Can you?

I agree 100%. I was being sarcastic.

traderumor
07-02-2009, 05:41 PM
As it was pointed out yesterday in another thread, obviously, it's the pitching on this team that's the problem.:rolleyes:Except that is a complete misrepresentation of what was pointed out in that other thread. Concerns about the short term stability of the rotation and its ability to keep the Reds in contention because of individual issues with the members of that rotation is not saying that "pitching is the problem on this team," so your sarcasm is misplaced.