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KoryMac5
07-02-2009, 07:10 PM
The Reds begin a three game set with the Cardinals on Friday where they will have their hands full with the best hitter in the game. If you are Dusty Baker and Dick Pole how do you direct your pitching staff to approach this one man wrecking crew.

Pujols for the season .337 30hrs 77 RBI's .460 OBP .745 SLG .1205 OPS

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2009, 07:15 PM
I don't have a very good feeling about this series. With Volquez out, and Cueto/Harang having pitched the last two games, the Cards will miss our top three starters. That, combined with our terrible offense is a recipe for a bad series. The Reds need to find a way to win at least one game in this series.

KronoRed
07-02-2009, 07:18 PM
Bean him.

CarolinaRedleg
07-02-2009, 07:21 PM
Bean him.

Sounds about right :devil:

BoydsOfSummer
07-02-2009, 07:23 PM
Pitch to him. At least someone will score some runs.

Degenerate39
07-02-2009, 07:36 PM
Bean him.

Beat me to it

redsfaninbsg
07-02-2009, 07:38 PM
Unless the bases are loaded walk him.

Highlifeman21
07-02-2009, 07:46 PM
Pffff

Worthless private polls...

Man up, pitch to him, see if he can hit one 600 ft.

dougdirt
07-02-2009, 07:51 PM
If we aren't up by 5 runs, walk him. If we are and no one is on base, pitch to him.

nate
07-02-2009, 07:52 PM
Try to turn him into Hal Chase!

:cool:

RedsManRick
07-02-2009, 08:24 PM
He averages .745 bases per AB when he isn't walked. If there are runners on base, walk him. If not, pitch to him... carefully.

Falls City Beer
07-02-2009, 08:27 PM
Strike him out.

RedsManRick
07-02-2009, 08:31 PM
Strike him out.

62 BB, 32 K. I sure would like to see us help him even that ratio out... I'm just afraid of the results if we try. Shame the Cards will miss Cueto and Harang...

westofyou
07-02-2009, 08:53 PM
Pffff

Worthless private polls...

Man up, pitch to him, see if he can hit one 600 ft.

2nd hardest ball I ever saw hit was at the GAB 1st game after the 2004 AS break by Albert, it was a ROCKET and was out of the park in 2 seconds.


Planning for Albert

We're only making plans for Albert
We only want what's best for him
We're only making plans for Albert
Albert just needs this helping hand
And if young Albert says he's happy
He must be happy
He must be happy in his work

GADawg
07-02-2009, 09:06 PM
If Pujols has looked ahead(and I'm sure he has)and noticed the names Bailey, Owings, and especially Arroyo I guess he'll need no 4th of July viagra....the 4 hour erection record will definitely be shattered before tomorrows first pitch

Matt700wlw
07-02-2009, 09:25 PM
Strike him out.

Works for me!



See, we don't have to disagree on everything :)

CTA513
07-02-2009, 10:43 PM
Lock him up until the series is over.

Highlifeman21
07-02-2009, 10:54 PM
2nd hardest ball I ever saw hit was at the GAB 1st game after the 2004 AS break by Albert, it was a ROCKET and was out of the park in 2 seconds.





Hardest ball I've ever seen hit was by Albert Belle during the last season of Municipal Stadium. Absolute laser beam to straight away LF, probably took about that same 2 seconds.

fearofpopvol1
07-02-2009, 11:01 PM
I actually think Bailey is going to beat the Cards tomorrow. I think after a lackluster performance last time out, he's going to pitch very well tomorrow night. Arroyo is due for a good game too. I think the Reds will be fine.

westofyou
07-02-2009, 11:08 PM
Hardest ball I've ever seen hit was by Albert Belle during the last season of Municipal Stadium. Absolute laser beam to straight away LF, probably took about that same 2 seconds.

Hardest for me hands down was Jackson's HR in the 1971 AS game, it was unreal.

GADawg
07-02-2009, 11:30 PM
I actually think Bailey is going to beat the Cards tomorrow. I think after a lackluster performance last time out, he's going to pitch very well tomorrow night. Arroyo is due for a good game too. I think the Reds will be fine.

ditto that....but in regards to the question at hand it seems that Albert gets his even when the Cards lose.

Chip R
07-02-2009, 11:57 PM
I think prayer is a priority.

Tom Servo
07-03-2009, 12:05 AM
Other: Roll him up in a carpet, and throw him off a bridge.

Patrick Bateman
07-03-2009, 12:10 AM
Other: Roll him up in a carpet, and throw him off a bridge.

Good Simpsons reference :)

TheNext44
07-03-2009, 12:13 AM
My personal plan is to have my radio on WLW, and be ready to switch to it whenever Pujols comes up, so I don't have to hear Grande wax poetically about the Greek God Of Cardinals.

For the Reds, this is pretty easy. I hate intentional walks, just hate them, but in this case, walk him every time there are men on base, even with the bases loaded. Let someone else drive them in, because you know if given the chance, he will more often than not. (108 Ab's with men on base, 60 RBI's.)

Phhhl
07-03-2009, 12:56 AM
The Cardinals have some decent hitters not named Albert Pujols. I know they have struggled mightily at times this year, but I think we get horribly burned if we pitch around Pujols with impugnity. Ludwick, Ankiel, Rasmus and even Duncan can hurt you... and it's summer and this ballpark is historically kind to left handed hitters. I really don't know how we manage two out of three in this series unless the offense comes around and averages 4-5 runs a game. I have hope for all three pitchers to varying degrees. Bailey due to the fact that his stuff looked excellent his last time out even if his command was awful, Owings because he is better than anyone seems to want to give him credit for and Arroyo because, if he is actually healthy, this is exactly the type of situation in which he seems to excel. But, there is a LOT of mystery going into this extremely important series. One win won't be the end of the world, but If the Reds get swept and find themselves 5 games out on Monday, I think the chances of the front office going out to get the hitter we desperately need drops like a rock. And, that would be a shame considering how hard this team is working against it's own shortcomings.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-03-2009, 02:25 AM
Make a trade for Matt Holliday or someone else to inject some life into this hapless lineup, then simply outscore the ratbirds.

Mario-Rijo
07-03-2009, 02:55 AM
I'm not sure you can hope to win if you don't use an intelligent approach to Pujols. Let the situation dictate what you do is how I voted.

That said he's used to being pitched around, pitchers trying to get crafty etc. When the situation says pitch to him, you get after him like Cueto did earlier this season, be aggressive. Don't compound the problem by trying to get cute and piling up the BB's. And if you take that approach at least you don't wear out your staff/pen in this series. And if you can't beat 'em deplete 'em. Wear their staff out, and play aggressively enough that the Cards limp out of this series winners or losers.

:thumbup:

Ron Madden
07-03-2009, 04:11 AM
My personal plan is to have my radio on WLW, and be ready to switch to it whenever Pujols comes up, so I don't have to hear Grande wax poetically about the Greek God Of Cardinals.

For the Reds, this is pretty easy. I hate intentional walks, just hate them, but in this case, walk him every time there are men on base, even with the bases loaded. Let someone else drive them in, because you know if given the chance, he will more often than not. (108 Ab's with men on base, 60 RBI's.)

Unlike Marty at least George can respect real talent.

If anyone on the Reds pitching staff gives Pujols anything to hit it's their own fault. I'd make the other eight guys in the lineup beat me.

Unless Albert got his self out by swinging at bad pitches I'd walk him every time.

Caveat Emperor
07-03-2009, 04:33 AM
Bean him.

Nothing hard -- just a change-up to the body. Saves 3 pitches off your starter's pitch count v. walking him.

Ron Madden
07-03-2009, 05:12 AM
Bean him.

Nothing hard -- just a change-up to the body. Saves 3 pitches off your starter's pitch count v. walking him.

How many guys do we have with that kind of control?

Most of'em would try to hit him between the numbers on his back and end up grooving him a belt high pitch.

;)

Mario-Rijo
07-03-2009, 06:00 AM
Oh and throw him yackers....



King Albert

Albert Pujols has 30 homers and 32 strikeouts, which is ridiculous. Some more on Pujols from Trevor Ebaugh of ESPN Stats & Information: Pujols's homers and strikeouts during the 2009 season, by pitch type:

Fastball: 21 HR, 11 K
Slider: 7 HR, 13 K
Curveball: 0 HR, 7 K
Changeup: 2, 1 K

GAC
07-03-2009, 06:33 AM
If I was the pitcher I'd take the 5th and simply tell the home plate umpire that you refuse to pitch to the guy on the ground that he will intimidate me.

Strikes Out Looking
07-03-2009, 11:00 AM
Throw at his elbow, the one that is supposedly injured.

Also, have someone follow him around his entire time in Cincy to see if he meets his connection, if you know what I mean.

CarolinaRedleg
07-03-2009, 11:23 AM
Trick him into going into a storage closet at GAB, lock it and then park one of the lawn mowers in front of it. And some boxes. And a folding table or twelve. Got any bags of cement? Those would work to help block the door. Ceramic lawn ornaments?

I(heart)Freel
07-03-2009, 11:59 AM
The ole unintentional intentional BB.

And - thanks to that data - do it with all curveballs.

Scrap Irony
07-03-2009, 12:08 PM
Walk him unintentionally intentionally. Make certain to throw inside. (Don't try to hit him, just try to throw close to his body.) Don't give him anything in the zone, nor much near it.

Let Ludwick, Ankiel, and the rest beat you.

_Sir_Charles_
07-03-2009, 01:02 PM
Let Ludwick, Ankiel, and the rest beat you.

I vote that we don't let ANY of them beat us. :O)

And for the record, if the situation dictates it, I'm fine with the walk. But he's not unstoppable. If he's leading off, or up with nobody on...go after him aggressively.

11larkin11
07-03-2009, 03:43 PM
Trick him into going into a storage closet at GAB, lock it and then park one of the lawn mowers in front of it. And some boxes. And a folding table or twelve. Got any bags of cement? Those would work to help block the door. Ceramic lawn ornaments?

Won't work. He is a "machine" remember? He will just eliminate it all.

traderumor
07-03-2009, 03:52 PM
Pull the fake IBB trick like the A's did on Bench in the '72 WS.

Ltlabner
07-03-2009, 04:30 PM
Step 1: Build trapdoor on left side of batters box

Step 2: Distract George Grande

Step 3: Open said trapdoor when Sir Albert steps into the batters box

Step 4: Commence to winning

fearofpopvol1
07-03-2009, 10:23 PM
Nice to see that the Reds/Weathers took our advice.

Joseph
07-03-2009, 10:31 PM
I want to curse, but its strictly forbidden here.

CarolinaRedleg
07-03-2009, 10:33 PM
Whatever you do, don't sent Weathers in to face him.

And bean him. Even with the bases loaded.

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2009, 10:35 PM
Nice to see that the Reds/Weathers took our advice.

The real crime is bringing David Weathers in to face Pujols. Pujols is 10-for-19 with three doubles, three homers, and a 1.700 OPS vs Weathers. What manager in their right mind brings in Weathers there?

Another crime was leaving Bailey in to face Schumaker. If you're going to let Bailey start the 8th inning, fine, but give him one baserunner. If someone reaches base, pull him. But no, Dusty allowed to him to face Schumaker who he eventually walked.

Horrible managing.

fearofpopvol1
07-03-2009, 10:42 PM
The real crime is bringing David Weathers in to face Pujols. Pujols is 10-for-19 with three doubles, three homers, and a 1.700 OPS vs Weathers. What manager in their right mind brings in Weathers there?

Another crime was leaving Bailey in to face Schumaker. If you're going to let Bailey start the 8th inning, fine, but give him one baserunner. If someone reaches base, pull him. But no, Dusty allowed to him to face Schumaker who he eventually walked.

Horrible managing.

In all fairness...Pujols had been 0 for his last 7. But it's on Weathers. I wouldn't have given a meatball at 88 right down broadway. Pitch around him. Make someone else beat you.

Mario-Rijo
07-03-2009, 10:44 PM
The real crime is bringing David Weathers in to face Pujols. Pujols is 10-for-19 with three doubles, three homers, and a 1.700 OPS vs Weathers. What manager in their right mind brings in Weathers there?

Another crime was leaving Bailey in to face Schumaker. If you're going to let Bailey start the 8th inning, fine, but give him one baserunner. If someone reaches base, pull him. But no, Dusty allowed to him to face Schumaker who he eventually walked.

Horrible managing.

I think Chris said Pujols was 0 for his last 7 vs. Weathers. As if to intimate that Weathers of all pitchers had figured out Pujols.

HeatherC1212
07-03-2009, 11:03 PM
I'm all ready sick of Albert and St. Louis and I'm going to the game tomorrow. *sigh* :(

kaldaniels
07-03-2009, 11:06 PM
Does anyone see a problem with plunking Pujols in is first AB tommorrow...just to make him think twice before getting comfortable in the batters box.

I'm serious. Plunk him of the non-injurious nature.

westofyou
07-03-2009, 11:43 PM
Does anyone see a problem with plunking Pujols in is first AB tommorrow...just to make him think twice before getting comfortable in the batters box.

I'm serious. Plunk him of the non-injurious nature.

And take the inside corner away from your team in the first inning?

Pass.

HeatherC1212
07-04-2009, 01:32 AM
And take the inside corner away from your team in the first inning?

Pass.

Yeah, I pass too. :eek:

Micah was charting for Homer during his start tonight. I hope they had a long discussion about how to deal with Albert tomorrow so Micah has the same success Homer did tonight.

George Anderson
07-04-2009, 01:38 AM
Does anyone see a problem with plunking Pujols in is first AB tommorrow...just to make him think twice before getting comfortable in the batters box.

I'm serious. Plunk him of the non-injurious nature.

Other than it would be incredibly "bush league" and not at all very sporting, no I see no problem with it.

TheNext44
07-04-2009, 02:33 AM
The real crime is bringing David Weathers in to face Pujols. Pujols is 10-for-19 with three doubles, three homers, and a 1.700 OPS vs Weathers. What manager in their right mind brings in Weathers there?

Another crime was leaving Bailey in to face Schumaker. If you're going to let Bailey start the 8th inning, fine, but give him one baserunner. If someone reaches base, pull him. But no, Dusty allowed to him to face Schumaker who he eventually walked.

Horrible managing.

Dusty has been using Weathers as the setup man all year. Weathers should be pitching the 6th or 7th. Yeah, he'd been successful until tonight, but that was due more to luck than his pitching ability. Going into tonight, he had a .226 BABIP. His career is .301, near the league norm.

He's been lucky so far, and it was going to catch up to him eventually. Unfortunately, tonight it did.

redsfandan
07-04-2009, 02:36 AM
I'm gonna love to hear Dustys defense for pitching to him tomorrow.

TheNext44
07-04-2009, 02:43 AM
My personal plan is to have my radio on WLW, and be ready to switch to it whenever Pujols comes up, so I don't have to hear Grande wax poetically about the Greek God Of Cardinals.

For the Reds, this is pretty easy. I hate intentional walks, just hate them, but in this case, walk him every time there are men on base, even with the bases loaded. Let someone else drive them in, because you know if given the chance, he will more often than not. (108 Ab's with men on base, 60 RBI's.)


Not to say I told you so, but....

GOYA
07-04-2009, 03:59 AM
Not to say I told you so, but....

You want a cookie? He was 0 for 3 before the GS. His numbers with the bases loaded are beyond belief. Walk in the run to make it 3-1 and go from there.

Mario-Rijo
07-04-2009, 04:42 AM
Yeah, I pass too. :eek:

Micah was charting for Homer during his start tonight. I hope they had a long discussion about how to deal with Albert tomorrow so Micah has the same success Homer did tonight.

I think it should help him some no question. But I'm not sure Micah has the stuff to get Pujols out consistently. He has a tough time consistently hitting the outside corner with his FB due to his herky-jerky motion (it tends to end up short of the corner which is great for RHH's). His slider/cutter doesn't have a whole lot of break either and beyond that all he has is an ok change. I think Micah needs to pitch him in tight a good amount, change speeds and work him up & down a bit if he has any chance of getting him out. He tries to get to that outside corner and Pujols will launch them into RCF. If Tony is smart he will use more RHH's against Micah than LHH's, but I'm not sure even Tony has that book just yet on him.