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bgwilly31
07-04-2009, 08:03 PM
Did anybody get to watch todays game and EE's AB's. He looked as if he had no clue.

Well he looked like a .140 avg hitter.


My question is how long do we have to sit here and indure this kind of performance before we pull the plug. It seems to me the attitude was EE is the answer at 3b and were excited to have him back.

TheBigLebowski
07-04-2009, 08:05 PM
He doubled down the line last night in his first PA. Let's not overreact to one game.

jmac
07-04-2009, 08:36 PM
He doubled down the line last night in his first PA. Let's not overreact to one game.
That seems to happen alot around here on both boards.
Problem is ,I dont think the poster's comments are based on one game alone. EE has played 20 + games this year and has 6 rbi.
On 2 swings : A GS and a 2 run single at Houston. I really think EE has it in him but if he does, now is the time to prove it.

Plus Plus
07-04-2009, 09:29 PM
And in the first 20 games of the year he was allegedly playing with a BROKEN WRIST. After 200 or 300 ABs start a thread like this, but two days after coming off of the 60 day DL with a wrist injury that he had been hiding from the trainers for however long is a bit absurd.

texasdave
07-04-2009, 09:52 PM
Until he starts hitting. Which history shows us he will.

Shawn_RedsFan
07-04-2009, 09:57 PM
wow 1 game and we are already complaining about EDE..sadly I'm not suprised

EE is going to hit, just like dave said history shows us he will.

jfar23
07-04-2009, 11:40 PM
You obviously don't like Edwin. The reason people are excited to have him back is because of his career numbers and because they have fresh visions of Adam Rosales, Jerry Hairston Jr., Paul Janish, and Richar dancing in their heads. Unless they trade for someone else it would be very poor judgment to pull the plug on him at all.

scounts22
07-05-2009, 12:24 AM
Really??? He JUST got back...

kfm
07-05-2009, 09:43 AM
This thread has to be a joke.

mlh1981
07-05-2009, 11:19 AM
Isn't he like the current longest tenured position playe on the team? Seems like yesterday he was coming up into the big leagues. I like Edwin, prob. more so than most. I think people may need to reevaluate their expectations of him. He's a slightly above average major league third baseman. I think his production last year is about what we ought to expect. I mean, I don't know..........can he still get better?

WILD THING
07-05-2009, 12:22 PM
I think Edwin will be just fine. Sure he's struggling but not everybody can come back from the DL and crush the ball. Actually, very few people can do that. It will take some time to get back into the swing of things, but I think when all is said and done, if he's not moved before the deadline, he'll be one of our biggest contributors in the push for the playoffs.

bgwilly31
07-05-2009, 01:59 PM
Its NOT ABOUT JUST THE NUMBERS.

Did you watch the game and his PA's>? he looked unbelievably bad. Like he was swinging with his eyes shut.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 02:02 PM
Werent you defending Gonzalez not too long ago?

bgwilly31
07-05-2009, 02:07 PM
Umm far from it. Not a fan of gonzo at all.

xavr1
07-05-2009, 02:24 PM
I really dont understand why people put so much faith in EE. Just watched him commit yet another costly error by overthrowing Hanigan. He's never going to be what we expected.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 02:26 PM
I really dont understand why people put so much faith in EE. Just watched him commit yet another costly error by overthrowing Hanigan. He's never going to be what we expected.

An error set up by Bronson Arroyo not being able to get anyone out anyways.

bgwilly31
07-05-2009, 02:26 PM
Wow now he's not only regulating his terrible performance just to the Plate.

He threw away a ball with the bases loaded. And before that he threw one wildy to votto. I dont see this EE gravy train lasting very long.

Arroyo.....:(

bgwilly31
07-05-2009, 02:27 PM
An error set up by Bronson Arroyo not being able to get anyone out anyways.

OMG now EE backers have opted to start blaming his wild throws on the pitchers. cmon really.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 02:29 PM
OMG now EE backers have opted to start blaming his wild throws on the pitchers. cmon really.

No, he throws terrible.

jfar23
07-05-2009, 02:31 PM
Edwin does have terrible aim on his throw. It's never gonna get better he just simply can't throw straight.

jfar23
07-05-2009, 02:33 PM
Edwin doing the little things for the team though. He threw the ball away to turn a bunch of runs unearned for Arroyo, helping his ERA. Strikes out quick to get this over with. He'll bounce back.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 02:34 PM
Meanwhile every other 3rd baseman on our team sucks compared to Edwin so we might as well bash him.

texasdave
07-05-2009, 02:35 PM
Welcome back, Edwin, we missed the comedy. Encarnacion is back in mid-season form. Nice arm, EdE. And that is what is going to keep him from becoming an above-average player. His regrettable defense. He was a better defensive player when he first came up than he is now.

bgwilly31
07-05-2009, 02:36 PM
Meanwhile every other 3rd baseman on our team sucks compared to Edwin so we might as well bash him.


This is you defending EE and bashing the start of this thread in the first place. Great points.:rolleyes:

jfar23
07-05-2009, 02:37 PM
Edwin is pretty good with the glove and range but when it comes time to throw the ball you better watch out if you're in the first ten rows. But I agree with GIDP, there is no other option. He can potentially be a factor offensively, unless they trade for someone you gotta hope for the best.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 02:37 PM
This is you defending EE and bashing the start of this thread in the first place. Great points.:rolleyes:

I didnt make a thread after 3 ABs like you did.

bgwilly31
07-05-2009, 02:37 PM
The gravy train is crashing quicker than i thought. lol

GIDP
07-05-2009, 02:40 PM
I find this thread funny coming from a willy taveras fan who has defended him every chance he gets..

GIDP
07-05-2009, 02:46 PM
Edwin needs to be given some time. Even with his throws he has more value than any other 3rd baseman on this team, and if he comes around with the bat hes going to be a very valuable piece to this team for the rest of the year.

Im not going to dump on the guy after 2 games back after a broken wrist. I can't believe this thread was made after 3 or 4 ABs. Its absurd.

bgwilly31
07-05-2009, 03:20 PM
I find this thread funny coming from a willy taveras fan who has defended him every chance he gets..


do you know me>? cause by your posts you clearly dont.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 03:25 PM
He's referring to dickerson being able to play CF.

Im not ready to give up on taveras just yet.

When hes going well he plays a major roll in how this team puts runs on the board.


You think dickerson should be batting lead off and you sit Taveras. The guy who WHEN HE DOES GET ON BASE> Almost everytime makes something happen.


What reds fan in here doesnt get thrilled when Will T gets on base with no outs. He's a threat. He needs to be at the top of the lineup and get the AB's. Willy T is another guy that is slumping right now. But 30 AB's ago he was doing very well.

Yea I must have made those quotes up.

bgwilly31
07-05-2009, 03:27 PM
Edwin needs to be given some time. Even with his throws he has more value than any other 3rd baseman on this team, and if he comes around with the bat hes going to be a very valuable piece to this team for the rest of the year.

Im not going to dump on the guy after 2 games back after a broken wrist. I can't believe this thread was made after 3 or 4 ABs. Its absurd.


Right so the classic he'll come around.

Reds fans have been using the its too early to tell Thing for the past 20 yrs.

Oh its only 30 games into the season. Oh its only 60 games into the season.
Oh its only been 20 Ab's. Oh its only been 60 AB's. Blah blah blah.

It happens every year and in the end the team ends up losers once again.


And good lord how long are we going to use the EE is still young, he's growing. etc etc. He's 26 and 7 months.

bgwilly31
07-05-2009, 03:29 PM
Yea I must have made those quotes up.

whats wrong in those posts. Both say when going well Willy T is absolute spark on this team.

You going to argue that>?

Im no willy T fanboy.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 03:30 PM
who do you want to replace him with?

GIDP
07-05-2009, 03:32 PM
whats wrong in those posts. Both say when going well Willy T is absolute spark on this team.

You going to argue that>?

Im no willy T fanboy.

You dont want to give up on Taveras but you give up on edwin after 3 AB's after the DL.

You dont want to give up Taveras to play a better player because he can run fast.

Yea how dare I...

GIDP
07-05-2009, 03:36 PM
Joey votto is like 7 months younger than Edwin. Im guessing you dont consider Votto young either.

jimbo
07-05-2009, 03:45 PM
Joey votto is like 7 months younger than Edwin. Im guessing you dont consider Votto young either.

As far as major league service goes, Votto is much younger than EE.

Frankly, I have never seen in EE what so many here claim to. I was done with him two years ago. He is what he is, a weak defensive player who is a hacker at the plate, who teases you from time to time with his power. It's way past time to be aggressively looking for a better option.

texasdave
07-05-2009, 03:51 PM
As far as major league service goes, Votto is much younger than EE.

Frankly, I have never seen in EE what so many here claim to. I was done with him two years ago. He is what he is, a weak defensive player who is a hacker at the plate, who teases you from time to time with his power. It's way past time to be aggressively looking for a better option.

This is a spot on analysis of EE. He gets hot in stretches with the bat and you believe he could be the next Aramis Ramirez. But then he goes frigid for a month. I hope he has a stellar second half of the season, simply because that would up his trade value over the winter.

Yes, he is better than anyone else that the Reds can currently run out there at 3B. But over the winter I would try to remedy that.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 03:51 PM
As far as major league service goes, Votto is much younger than EE.

Frankly, I have never seen in EE what so many here claim to. I was done with him two years ago. He is what he is, a weak defensive player who is a hacker at the plate, who teases you from time to time with his power. It's way past time to be aggressively looking for a better option.

a hacker at the plate? Now of all the things I will never understand that statement about him. If hes a hacker then half the major leagues is a hacker at the plate because hes consistantly been better than average when it comes to swinging at pitches outside of the strike zone, in the strike zone, and his contact rates with those pitches are above average also.

bgwilly31
07-05-2009, 04:01 PM
If rosales could keep his bat going like he did for the first couple weeks. I'd much rather have rosales there than EE>

But yeah im like the others. I was done with EE two yrs ago. and would love to see the reds make a move for a new talent at 3b.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 04:04 PM
If rosales could keep his bat going like he did for the first couple weeks. I'd much rather have rosales there than EE>

But yeah im like the others. I was done with EE two yrs ago. and would love to see the reds make a move for a new talent at 3b.

at least you are consistent with your judging of people over 70 AB periods of their careers only.

Kingspoint
07-05-2009, 04:05 PM
....you "put up" with him as long he puts up numbers better than 3/4th's of all National League 3rd Basemen, which he's been doing each of the last 3 seasons.

....you "put up" with him as long as he's still below the curve on the growth scale while doing what he's been doing since he's entered the Majors.

....what a shame to have to "put up" with a great commodity like that.

NEXT QUESTION, PLEASE.

The original question of this thread wasn't even worthy of a remark or any face-time, but I couldn't resist answering such an odd question.

gilpdawg
07-05-2009, 04:16 PM
....you "put up" with him as long he puts up numbers better than 3/4th's of all National League 3rd Basemen, which he's been doing each of the last 3 seasons.

....you "put up" with him as long as he's still below the curve on the growth scale while doing what he's been doing since he's entered the Majors.

....what a shame to have to "put up" with a great commodity like that.

NEXT QUESTION, PLEASE.

The original question of this thread wasn't even worthy of a remark or any face-time, but I couldn't resist answering such an odd question.
Come on, you know you're not supposed to make sense in this section of the board.

jimbo
07-05-2009, 05:30 PM
a hacker at the plate? Now of all the things I will never understand that statement about him. If hes a hacker then half the major leagues is a hacker at the plate because hes consistantly been better than average when it comes to swinging at pitches outside of the strike zone, in the strike zone, and his contact rates with those pitches are above average also.

Yep, I stand corrected in that sense. Just studied his career stats and he does show league average in the categories you mentioned, even improving his plate discipline this season.

Having said that though, there is more to plate discipline than stats will show. A smart hitter uses sound decision making according to the current situation. Such as, being more selective when a pitcher is struggling to throw strikes, allowing a speedy runner on a first a chance to get into the pitcher's head, hitting to the right side in order to advance a runner on second to third, and knowing to stay away from pitches that they will never get good wood on......for a few examples. You can't measure these things with stats. That's what I meant when I called EE a "hacker," and I stand by that.

Maybe saying he his not a "smart" hitter would be more accurate.

Kingspoint
07-07-2009, 02:15 PM
Yep, I stand corrected in that sense. Just studied his career stats and he does show league average in the categories you mentioned, even improving his plate discipline this season.



To be fair and realistic, compare him to NL 3rd Basemen, not "league average".

Jones1
07-17-2009, 09:49 PM
Right so the classic he'll come around.

Reds fans have been using the its too early to tell Thing for the past 20 yrs.

Oh its only 30 games into the season. Oh its only 60 games into the season.
Oh its only been 20 Ab's. Oh its only been 60 AB's. Blah blah blah.

It happens every year and in the end the team ends up losers once again.


And good lord how long are we going to use the EE is still young, he's growing. etc etc. He's 26 and 7 months.

Since Edwins come back he's been our best hitter batting close to 500 and you and others want to get rid of him when this team can't hit. He's also the longest tenured Red and one of the youngest, I'll take his craptastic defense for his bat any day. 3 hits last night 4 tonight including a HR! Get off the trade Edwin kick, it aint gonna happen... If you want to talk about trading fast willy thats another thing!

Jones1
07-17-2009, 09:51 PM
prob should of posted this in the other worthless thread u started the other night after Edwin had a throwing error but i thought this one was better fitting.

GIDP
07-17-2009, 09:56 PM
I knew this thread would get pumped.

Jones1
07-17-2009, 10:11 PM
Well we hate to say i told you so don't we GIDP lol.

kfm
07-17-2009, 11:01 PM
Edwin is not David Wright or Chipper Jones, but if you compare his numbers over the last three years to other national league 3rd basemen you will see how completely out of bounds the attacks on him are. I read where several people gave up on him two years ago when he was all of 24, really? His best days are ahead of him, and he has already produced very well.
Garret Atkins
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1818 286 555 115 5 75 330 186 12 272 8 2 .305 .369 .498 .867
Casey Blake
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1525 215 419 92 6 58 227 148 25 336 13 5 .275 .346 .457 .803
Ryan Zimmerman
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1695 234 471 114 9 58 252 153 8 316 16 10 .278 .338 .458 .796
Bill Hall
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1393 210 351 96 5 64 203 140 7 414 17 20 .252 .320 .466 .786
Mark Derosa
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1527 245 445 98 8 44 233 171 22 301 11 6 .291 .368 .453 .821
Pedro Feliz
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1585 179 394 82 9 56 228 95 2 236 3 3 .249 .290 .418 .708
Kevin Kouzmanoff
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1164 132 307 63 6 44 169 60 25 245 1 0 .264 .311 .442 .753
Mark Reynolds
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 905 149 231 48 7 45 159 101 8 333 11 3 .255 .332 .473 .805
Edwin
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1414 201 384 87 3 57 216 141 37 266 15 4 .272 .351 .458 .809

Krawhitham
07-18-2009, 12:36 AM
But Marty dislikes him so most here do too

sivman17
07-18-2009, 12:36 AM
yeah i don't understand why people dislike him so much. if anything complain about our SS, LF, and CF

Captain Hook
07-18-2009, 02:44 AM
Edwin is not David Wright or Chipper Jones, but if you compare his numbers over the last three years to other national league 3rd basemen you will see how completely out of bounds the attacks on him are. I read where several people gave up on him two years ago when he was all of 24, really? His best days are ahead of him, and he has already produced very well.
Garret Atkins
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1818 286 555 115 5 75 330 186 12 272 8 2 .305 .369 .498 .867
Casey Blake
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1525 215 419 92 6 58 227 148 25 336 13 5 .275 .346 .457 .803
Ryan Zimmerman
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1695 234 471 114 9 58 252 153 8 316 16 10 .278 .338 .458 .796
Bill Hall
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1393 210 351 96 5 64 203 140 7 414 17 20 .252 .320 .466 .786
Mark Derosa
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1527 245 445 98 8 44 233 171 22 301 11 6 .291 .368 .453 .821
Pedro Feliz
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1585 179 394 82 9 56 228 95 2 236 3 3 .249 .290 .418 .708
Kevin Kouzmanoff
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1164 132 307 63 6 44 169 60 25 245 1 0 .264 .311 .442 .753
Mark Reynolds
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 905 149 231 48 7 45 159 101 8 333 11 3 .255 .332 .473 .805
Edwin
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 1414 201 384 87 3 57 216 141 37 266 15 4 .272 .351 .458 .809

This is something that I completely agree with you on.At Edwins age he still has the potential to be a star in the Bigs.His prime years are coming up and I for one hope the Reds hang on to EE as long as they can.That is unless someone offers us a good SS and just has to have him in the deal.He probably has as much value in a trade as any of our position player minus Votto and Bruce(maybe).

thorn
07-18-2009, 03:44 AM
yeah i don't understand why people dislike him so much. if anything complain about our SS, LF, and CF

You really don't understand why people dislike Ee? Maybe if he
stopped disappearing half the year? Let's see how you like
him when he starts throwing the ball away or goes in a slump
when the team needs him most. He's to inconsistent and we should
always be looking to improve and not be happy with hot and cold
players both offensively and defensively.

Sean_CaseyRules
07-18-2009, 05:22 AM
He's to inconsistent and we should
always be looking to improve and not be happy with hot and cold
players both offensively and defensively.

So then we should get rid of EVERYONE besides Votto on the team?

GIDP
07-18-2009, 10:28 AM
You really don't understand why people dislike Ee? Maybe if he
stopped disappearing half the year? Let's see how you like
him when he starts throwing the ball away or goes in a slump
when the team needs him most. He's to inconsistent and we should
always be looking to improve and not be happy with hot and cold
players both offensively and defensively.

Career OPS per month
April .752
May .667
June .881
July .901
August .845
September .757

Pre All Star OPS .772
Post All Star OPS .823

So which half of the year is he disappearing again?

Stormy Weathers
07-18-2009, 02:50 PM
You really don't understand why people dislike Ee? Maybe if he
stopped disappearing half the year? Let's see how you like
him when he starts throwing the ball away or goes in a slump
when the team needs him most. He's to inconsistent and we should
always be looking to improve and not be happy with hot and cold
players both offensively and defensively.

Lots of stars in MLB go in slumps and have bad months. Some always suck until mid may, some always suck mid year, some always suck to end the year. EE is also 26 years old, last time i checked that isnt a players prime years thats typically when players are improving, but yet to reach their full potential. I would categorize EE in that. He also tried to start the season with a wrist that was injured in ST and he played through. Finally he couldnt do it and was shut down and now that he is healthy he is killing the ball. He is FAR from the top 10 problems on this team so what is the intelligent reason in bashing a player who is actually keeping us in games right now?

And SS and CF have been just terrible all year long so i guess that kind of consistency is better right?


Career OPS per month
April .752
May .667
June .881
July .901
August .845
September .757

Pre All Star OPS .772
Post All Star OPS .823

So which half of the year is he disappearing again?

:thumbup:

You are my favorite poster now. :beerme:

kfm
07-18-2009, 04:05 PM
Career OPS per month
April .752
May .667
June .881
July .901
August .845
September .757

Pre All Star OPS .772
Post All Star OPS .823

So which half of the year is he disappearing again?

Nice post!

Kingspoint
07-18-2009, 04:15 PM
A wise man once said, don't try to speak wisdom to the masses. Save it for when you're with just a few who have the capacity to understand.

gedred69
07-18-2009, 05:32 PM
So then we should get rid of EVERYONE besides Votto on the team?

So right! 1/2 this team, (or more) are streak players. Thing is, to have a good enough bench to plug guys in when someone slumps. Can't blame just Dusty, previous mgrs. did the same thing.

DTCromer
07-18-2009, 07:17 PM
Career OPS per month
April .752
May .667
June .881
July .901
August .845
September .757

Pre All Star OPS .772
Post All Star OPS .823

So which half of the year is he disappearing again?

That's great. . . until he gets a routine grounder in the Top of the 9th with the scored tied in Game 7 of the 2010 NLCS and throws it into the 9th row.

I don't like Edwin, but I don't hate him either. He just doesn't do it for me. MLB is all about consistency and the guy just doesn't have it. If he was a good to plus defender, I could live with his streaky hitting, but I don't trust this guy in any type of pressure fielding situation.

GIDP
07-18-2009, 07:42 PM
That's great. . . until he gets a routine grounder in the Top of the 9th with the scored tied in Game 7 of the 2010 NLCS and throws it into the 9th row.

I don't like Edwin, but I don't hate him either. He just doesn't do it for me. MLB is all about consistency and the guy just doesn't have it. If he was a good to plus defender, I could live with his streaky hitting, but I don't trust this guy in any type of pressure fielding situation.

thats great, but I wasnt talking about his D or was the poster I was replying to.

DTCromer
07-22-2009, 11:58 PM
Shouldn't we be starting a thread about how Edwin isn't running out of the box?

GIDP
07-23-2009, 12:08 AM
ops over 1.000 in june not counting tonight so far.

sivman17
07-23-2009, 02:07 AM
Easy E is a great player. leave him alone. what is dusty thinking taking easy out to put in rosales? everyone always complains about Edwin's fielding, but it's that all that bad. especially compared to rosales. when's the last time you have seen a major leaguer let a ball go right through his legs on a routine ground ball. that was horrible. ed makes the routine plays and he can make the tough ones. he is a great hitter and right now that's exactly what this team needs

Plus Plus
07-23-2009, 09:29 AM
ops over 1.000 in june not counting tonight so far.

A stat skewed heavily by a few good games and a myriad of bad ones. There is Joey Votto's 1.000 OPS which involves getting on base regularly and then there is the EE 1.000 OPS mirage that involves going 10-15 with 6hr, and then looking lost at the plate over your next 25-40 PAs. See: EE post ASB stats. I believe he was 7-7 to start off, and is 1-15 since. If you watched last night, the night before, or the night before you will know what I mean about getting lost at the plate. Two strikeouts last night on pitches that hit halfway between home plate and the pitching mound.

GIDP
07-23-2009, 09:38 AM
A stat skewed heavily by a few good games and a myriad of bad ones. There is Joey Votto's 1.000 OPS which involves getting on base regularly and then there is the EE 1.000 OPS mirage that involves going 10-15 with 6hr, and then looking lost at the plate over your next 25-40 PAs. See: EE post ASB stats. I believe he was 7-7 to start off, and is 1-15 since. If you watched last night, the night before, or the night before you will know what I mean about getting lost at the plate. Two strikeouts last night on pitches that hit halfway between home plate and the pitching mound.

What ever it takes to justify your point man.

Hes 8 for 21 since the break, with 6 walks.

He has hit in 10 of 16 games as well since his return.

Votto is the better hitter, but come on man arent you searching a little too hard here?

Plus Plus
07-23-2009, 10:44 AM
What ever it takes to justify your point man.

Hes 8 for 21 since the break, with 6 walks.

He has hit in 10 of 16 games as well since his return.

Votto is the better hitter, but come on man arent you searching a little too hard here?

And since the third game after the break he is 1-20. You can say that he is hitting .380 all you want, but sometimes looking past the stats help. He has looked absolutely lost at the plate, both in the last two games of the Milwaukee series (which I was at) and the entirety of the LA series. I don't feel that I am searching too hard at all, because I don't think EE is the answer for anything, regardless of position. He can't play 3b defensively and he doesn't OPS enough to justify playing there.

All of this being said, I am just not an EE supporter. I love him when he is going good, but his inconsistency and bad defense frustrate me to no end. Maybe it would be best to take this with a grain of salt :).

DTCromer
07-23-2009, 11:35 AM
What ever it takes to justify your point man.

Hes 8 for 21 since the break, with 6 walks.

He has hit in 10 of 16 games as well since his return.

Votto is the better hitter, but come on man arent you searching a little too hard here?

Here's a question to ask yourself: Do you trust this guy in October?

sivman17
07-23-2009, 11:45 AM
Here's a question to ask yourself: Do you trust this guy in October?

Ummmm..... does that really matter? We haven't seen October for a loooong time

GIDP
07-23-2009, 11:47 AM
Here's a question to ask yourself: Do you trust this guy in October?

How can anyone answer that question one way or the other?

texasdave
07-23-2009, 12:28 PM
I know exactly what we will be getting from Edwin in October. Nothing. Because we aren't seeing October for a long time the way this franchise is trending.

DTCromer
07-23-2009, 12:45 PM
Ummmm..... does that really matter? We haven't seen October for a loooong time

We're not going to win this year, but 2010 and the years beyond look promising, contrary to what some Reds fans think.

So yes it does matter. If we don't know if we can trust a guy to consistently hit, why should I trust that Edwin will show up in October? I'm not trying to just make the playoffs or lose in the World Series, I want to win the whole darn thing and to suggest that we'll have one of the most inconsistent batters in the league at 3B, not to mention the gaping hole he leaves in the field, I think it's a great question to ask.

Hell, I trust Jay Bruce in the playoffs with a .209 average more than Edwin because of defense alone.

This is primarily the reason I would rather keep Bronson than Harang.

Sean_CaseyRules
07-24-2009, 04:01 AM
Here's a question to ask yourself: Do you trust this guy in October?

If he's with us while we are in October, then that means he has to be doing something right to get us there. So hell yes I'd trust Edwin in October.

Jones1
07-27-2009, 08:18 PM
Its incredible how some on this board are ready to give up EE for an old broken down Scott Rolen. A 26 year old who just crushed a 450 ft homer for a guy that may be in a wheel chair 2mrw. If the Reds make that trade you can assure I along with others will not watch this drivel anymore this year! You make the team better not worse!

Plus Plus
07-27-2009, 09:29 PM
EE plays 3b as well as Ellen Degeneres though. That's the problem- not his bat. (at least in the opinion of the masses)

Jones1
07-27-2009, 09:57 PM
Like I said b4 when EE is hitting and he will, I'll take his craptastic defense for his stick. Especially when Agon is playing next to him.

GIDP
07-27-2009, 09:58 PM
Was streaky again tonight.

Jones1
07-27-2009, 10:00 PM
Lets let him get some AB's and he'll stay hot.

40YrRedsFan
07-27-2009, 10:10 PM
He can ride the pine for the rest of the year for all I care. Just watch his reactions after he strikes out. It's like, "Oh well, I struck out again". I know
you need to keep an even keel, not too high or too low, but EE shows no
energy at all. He looks lazy to me.

GIDP
07-27-2009, 10:11 PM
We need more Joey Vottos, dropping f bombs and calling everything BS when he strikes out.

I agree.