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improbus
07-05-2009, 10:30 AM
One of the best parts of being a teacher is getting to watch the Tour live in the morning with a ht cup of coffee. Say what you want about VS., but they do a fantastic job covering the tour.

As for the race itself, there are a ton of stories in this years Tour. Who will end up leading Team Astana, Lance or Contador, the defending Tour champ? Can Cadel Evans recover from last years disappointment? How will the Schleck boys do (Andy is going to be a beast)? This is going to be an exciting month.

reds1869
07-05-2009, 10:42 AM
I think one of the best things about being a teacher is being able to sleep through the tour coverage every morning and then have my hot cup of coffee. Makes up for having to be at work at 6:30 every morning the rest of the year. :)

Actually, I really enjoy the tour. My college roommate got me hooked and I've always taken an interest since. I would love to see Lance do well again.

Joseph
07-05-2009, 07:52 PM
I was just wondering about when this started.

M2
07-06-2009, 01:50 PM
I just looked at the tour map. There's only three summit finishes in this year's tour. It's not necessarily a climber's race. Instead I think it's built for a racer who can pile up small time gains when the opportunities present themselves - e.g. someone like Lance Armstrong.

Already today we saw the field splinter due to some crosswinds and Armstrong found himself in the lead group that put 41 seconds on the rest of the race. I think you're going to see a lot of incremental gains like that and the key will be consistency more than single moments of excellence (though a breakaway in a relatively flat stage could enable a rider to pull off a surprise like Oscar Pereiro in 2006).

texasdave
07-06-2009, 08:13 PM
Anyone but Lance Armstrong, please.

improbus
07-06-2009, 08:46 PM
Anyone but Lance Armstrong, please.

Why?

texasdave
07-06-2009, 08:54 PM
I should clarify that last statement. Any but Lance Armstrong, as long as they are clean.

reds1869
07-07-2009, 12:36 AM
I should clarify that last statement. Any but Lance Armstrong, as long as they are clean.

And you call yourself a Texan. ;)

sivman17
07-07-2009, 02:49 AM
Lance is up to 3rd now. Jumped up from 10th. Go Lance!

BuckeyeRed27
07-07-2009, 01:36 PM
Lance is up to 3rd now. Jumped up from 10th. Go Lance!

He's now in 2nd overall and less than one second out of first place after 4 stages.

M2
07-10-2009, 12:08 PM
Great Phil Liggett line (in reference to some spectators in superhero tunics running alongside the bikers) "They look like ... well, they must be Australians I'm sure."

Hoosier Red
07-10-2009, 01:08 PM
Lance is 3rd right now, BEHIND his teammate Contador by two seconds. Now that's not a huge number, but Contador made up 22 seconds on Lance in the most recent stage.

Personally, I think Lance would enhance his legacy if he backed off, announced they were all going to help Contador win, and played a good teammate.
Everything I know about Lance tells me he won't do that though.

M2
07-10-2009, 01:54 PM
I want Armstrong to ride his best and let's see how good that is.

Ideally we'll see a few riders swashbuckling for the victory on the slopes of Mont
Ventoux on the next-to-last day of the race and it would be high drama if Armstong was one of them.

There's also some young riders who might emerge in this race - Andy Schleck, Tony Martin, Vincenzo Nibali. I don't think any serious contender should be giving up the ghost to play domestique this early in the race, and that includes Leipheimer and Kloden.

M2
07-21-2009, 10:50 PM
Evil day in the mountains tomorrow. The Brothers Schleck are going to try to break Contador. Armstrong seemed to find a bit of the old Lance on the final climb today. Is he ready to step up if Contador cracks? Or will Kloden be the secret weapon on the Astana team? Defending champ Carlos Sastre continues to lurk, getting dropped and then climbing back to the field in every mountain stage. And Brad Wiggins, Christophe Le Mevel and Vincenzo Nibali are lurking close enough to pull a surprise if they succeed with a bold tactic or find some magic in their legs.

SunDeck
07-22-2009, 12:19 PM
Personally, I think Lance would enhance his legacy if he backed off, announced they were all going to help Contador win, and played a good teammate.
Everything I know about Lance tells me he won't do that though.

I guess there's another side to Lance?

Hoosier Red
07-22-2009, 04:51 PM
I guess there's another side to Lance?

I stand by what I wrote, I think this enhances his legacy to actually be a good teammate, it's not like anyone's going to break 7 tours any time soon anyway.

Color me surprised.

Nugget
07-23-2009, 03:39 PM
Great Phil Liggett line (in reference to some spectators in superhero tunics running alongside the bikers) "They look like ... well, they must be Australians I'm sure."

:thumbup:

Nugget
07-23-2009, 03:40 PM
I stand by what I wrote, I think this enhances his legacy to actually be a good teammate, it's not like anyone's going to break 7 tours any time soon anyway.

Color me surprised.

I think Lance has always ridden as a great team mate. Even when he was the leader of the team he made sure the other guys around him got their glory too. Look at how George and Paolo got to perform in the record seventh. If anything Alberto has shown that he is less of the "team guy" with what he did to Kloden.

Hoosier Red
07-23-2009, 06:13 PM
I think Lance has always ridden as a great team mate. Even when he was the leader of the team he made sure the other guys around him got their glory too. Look at how George and Paolo got to perform in the record seventh. If anything Alberto has shown that he is less of the "team guy" with what he did to Kloden.

I agree that Alberto has pretty much painted himself as a selfish punk is indisputable. Good point about Lance as a teammate, I suppose its hard to judge because Lance was such a jerk in so many ways before he had cancer, but that's the poor teammate I was speaking of.

Nugget
07-24-2009, 06:12 PM
I don't know in the Motorola days he was always a great team guy - think of the reaction to the Casartelli tragedy. But that said I think he was a lot younger then, a guy with real promise and one of the youngest world champions and I think you will see that most of the elite riders have a bit of an attitude.

BuckeyeRed27
07-28-2009, 01:00 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/07/27/cycling.contador.armstrong/index.html

What a punk. Really hope Lance (or somebody) can take him down next year.

improbus
07-28-2009, 10:39 AM
I like Lance the bike rider, cancer survivor, and spokesman, but that is all. He is a real piece of work as a person. Contador may not have handled the situation well, but look at it from his perspective. You are the guy on your team. You are the world's best mountain climber and are the favorite to win the tour. Suddenly, your team brings in the divisive, strong willed, selfish old champ who immediately starts to divide the team. You KNOW that you are a better rider than Lance, so how are you going to act?

Here is a link from Truehoop that I remembered that covered Lance:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-42-21/What-s-Wrong-with-the-NBA.html

M2
07-28-2009, 04:32 PM
The problem for Contador is apparently his entire team wants to chuck him under a bus. As far as I gather, the team was pretty much unified in its dislike of Contador. I remember reading that Leipheimer, who did a massive amount of work for Contador in the 2007 TDF, wasn't too fond of the kid either. Putting Kloden to the sword seemed to be the final straw.

It will be interesting to see where Contador lands. The new team being formed by F1 driver Fernando Alonso wasn't supposed to be ready until 2011, but they may push it up a year to lock in Contador. Who gets involved beyond him and who wants to work for him remain open questions.

Nugget
07-28-2009, 08:36 PM
It will be interesting to see who goes to Team RadioShack. No tampering before 01/09. I think Armstrong is a driven person but he has never belittled or put down his team mates. Even in the dominant years you hear what both his team mates and more importantly what his competitors say about him - that's important. His going to have real problems if he stays at Astana because there is no doubt Vinokourov is going to want to be the leader no matter what. Lance just said that they have a number of guys who can win the tour and they didn't have a declared leader. Contador could not take that - I mean in the first week of the tour Astana had four of the first five spots and even after Pyrenees they occupied four of the top ten.