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OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 12:52 PM
Louisville plays a doubleheader beginning at 1:00.

Game one - LHP Matt Maloney

Game two - RHP Justin Lehr

Carolina - 6:15 - LHP Tom Cochran

Sarasota - 5:35 - TBD

Dayton - 2:00 - RHP Juan Carlos Sulbaran

Billings - 6:05 - LHP Luca Panerati

The GCL Reds play at 12:00

The DSL Reds are off today.

GOYA
07-05-2009, 01:56 PM
Stubbs CF .282
Griffin, M 3B .242
Heisey LF .346
Barker 1B .245
Rosales SS .402
Dorn RF .253
Valaika 2B .201
Tatum C .231
Maloney P .333

The Bats are facing Ian Snell in game 1.

Sweet stated in an interview with Jim Kelch that Valaika is not projected as a big league SS so they are giving him experience at 2nd and will be playing him at 3rd soon. He said that they see Rosales as a possible big league SS. I can't say I agree with that.

He also said he was lobbying to get Heisey straight out of spring training.

Scrap Irony
07-05-2009, 02:02 PM
Interesting about Rosales. Don't think I agree with that.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 02:05 PM
Rosales has played more SS than Hairston ever had before last season. :laugh:

RBA
07-05-2009, 02:09 PM
TV for Louisville Game:

http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-milb.php?w=110696

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 02:13 PM
Maloney throws a 1-2-3 first inning.

GOYA
07-05-2009, 02:16 PM
Maloney throws a 1-2-3 first inning.

Pitches-strikes: Maloney 7-6 - 86% - 1 K

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 02:18 PM
Dorn smokes a two out single to RF. First baserunner for either team.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 02:26 PM
The GCL Reds are scoreless through six innings.

Cline: 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 2 K

Yorman and Hamilton aren't playing today.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 02:34 PM
Maloney: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K

GOYA
07-05-2009, 02:35 PM
Louisville
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Maloney 2.0 0 0 0 0 3 0 2.25

Indianapolis
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Snell 2.0 2 0 0 0 2 0 0.00

HBP: Myrow (by Maloney).
Pitches-strikes: Maloney 25-18, Snell 29-20.
Groundouts-flyouts: Maloney 3-0, Snell 4-0.

GOYA
07-05-2009, 02:48 PM
The Tribe squeezes a run home.

Bats down 1-0 in the 3rd

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 02:53 PM
Juan Duran hit a RBI triple. 1-0 GCL Reds in the 7th inning.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 03:13 PM
Byron Wiley just hit a 2-run HR (#6). 2-0 Dayton in the first inning.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 03:26 PM
The GCL Reds won 3-0.

Bowe: 1-for-4
Silva: 1-for-4
Morrison: 0-for-4
Lutz: 0-for-2 walk
Duran: 1-for-3 triple
H. Rodriguez: 2-for-3

Cline: 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 2 K, 7 GO/5 FO

REDblooded
07-05-2009, 03:29 PM
At the bats games today. Get a pretty good look watching these guys face an arm like Snell. Every time I look up during a Stubbs AB he's worked a full count.

REDblooded
07-05-2009, 03:34 PM
Snell just worked Rosales over.

redsof72
07-05-2009, 03:34 PM
Ugly, ugly outing for Sulbaran: 0 IP, 2 H, 6 ER, 4 BB. Started and lifted without recording an out.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 03:36 PM
Sulbaran has nasty stuff but he's got a long ways to go in the control department.

redsof72
07-05-2009, 03:37 PM
Dragons pitchers issued six walks in the first inning before they recorded an out.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 03:39 PM
Anyone know why Matt Maloney was pulled after five innings (66 pitches)?

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 03:43 PM
Zach Stewart pitched the 6th:

1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 03:51 PM
Louisville lost game one, 1-0.

Stubbs: 0-for-2 walk
Heisey: 0-for-3
Rosales: 1-for-3
Dorn: 1-for-3
Valaika: 1-for-3
Tatum: 1-for-3

Maloney: 5 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 4 K

Stewart: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 03:54 PM
Andrew Bowman allowed seven more runs in the first inning. Dayton trails 13-2...in the first inning.

dougdirt
07-05-2009, 04:13 PM
Andrew Bowman allowed seven more runs in the first inning. Dayton trails 13-2...in the first inning.

That sounds.... AWESOME.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 04:16 PM
The comeback is on. 13-5 in the second inning.

Fellhauer: 1-for-2 two RBI...first pro hit
Means: 2-for-2 double, SB
Wiley: 1-for-1 HR (#6), walk, 2 RBI

GIDP
07-05-2009, 04:19 PM
Means been turning it up a notch

mth123
07-05-2009, 04:27 PM
Means been turning it up a notch

Stealing when down 11 runs. Sounds like the Reds hired Freel as minor league baserunning instructor.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 04:41 PM
Stealing when down 11 runs. Sounds like the Reds hired Freel as minor league baserunning instructor.

Never too early to start a comeback.

mth123
07-05-2009, 04:47 PM
Its possible his steal was before the game was so lopsided (I didn't check) and if so I apoligize, but stealing when more than a few runs down is the best way to short circuit any come back. Why take a chance of getting thrown out when one run means nothing?

Its not surprising, the major league team does stupid stuff like this all the time.

LoganBuck
07-05-2009, 04:49 PM
Anyone know why Matt Maloney was pulled after five innings (66 pitches)?

Just a guess, but maybe he is coming to replace Arroyo.

LoganBuck
07-05-2009, 04:52 PM
Its possible his steal was before the game was so lopsided (I didn't check) and if so I apoligize, but stealing when more than a few runs down is the best way to short circuit any come back. Why take a chance of getting thrown out when one run means nothing?

Its not surprising, the major league team does stupid stuff like this all the time.

Also possible that he took off because nobody was paying attention. Base stealers are often given props for taking advantage of a situation like that, and it can cause a pitcher to get out of his comfort zone. Especially if the manager or pitching coach is rolling their eyes in the dugout. I agree a straight steal is kind of stupid, but perhaps the pitcher, catcher, and/or fielders were asleep at the wheel.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 04:54 PM
Just a guess, but maybe he is coming to replace Arroyo.

5 days until arroyo is going to pitch again. I really doubt he was pulled because of that reason.

thorn
07-05-2009, 04:54 PM
Just a guess, but maybe he is coming to replace Arroyo.

Guess or wish? To me it's a wish, but with the AS break comming, it may be 2 weeks before Bronson throws again as they will try to give him an unofficial visit to the DL. But to me, he's done, and we are stuck with the contract, either way Maloney should replace him period.

mth123
07-05-2009, 04:56 PM
Also possible that he took off because nobody was paying attention. Base stealers are often given props for taking advantage of a situation like that, and it can cause a pitcher to get out of his comfort zone. Especially if the manager or pitching coach is rolling their eyes in the dugout. I agree a straight steal is kind of stupid, but perhaps the pitcher, catcher, and/or fielders were asleep at the wheel.

Could be and if so I guess its fine. I watched Jay Bruce stretch a double into a triple today and was clearly out at 3B if the guy holds onto the ball. The Reds were down 8-1 at the time. You have to go back more than 10 years to remember a time when the Reds weren't stupid on the bases. Makes you wonder if its an organizational issue or not.

LoganBuck
07-05-2009, 04:57 PM
5 days until arroyo is going to pitch again. I really doubt he was pulled because of that reason.

Maybe they don't want to extend Maloney, maybe he does better with a little more rest. I don't know, just throwing it out there.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 05:12 PM
Dayton has cut the deficit to 13-9 after 4 1/2 innings.

Fellhauer: 2-for-4 double, 2 RBI
Means: 2-for-3 double, HBP, SB
Wiley: 2-for-2 two HR (#6, 7), walk, 5 RBI
Puckett: 1-for-3
Coddington: 1-for-2
Konstanty: 0-for-3
Brown: 2-for-3 double
Rojas: 1-for-2 walk

GIDP
07-05-2009, 05:12 PM
Fellhauer, how many games has he played in so far? 3?

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 05:13 PM
Byron Wiley has been on a tear lately. He made some adjustments after watching Votto and has been on a tear since.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 05:13 PM
Fellhauer, how many games has he played in so far? 3?

This is his second game. He went 0-for-4 last night.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 05:16 PM
Mark James gives up a couple runs. Now 15-9.

Ezequiel Infante is coming in to pitch and will be making his Single-A debut. He posted a 1.42 ERA and 2 BB/7 K in 6.1 innings with Billings. He had an 0.19 ERA in 47 innings with the DSL Reds last season.

GOYA
07-05-2009, 05:23 PM
Bats up 3-0 in the 4th of the second game.


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Lehr 3.0 0 0 0 0 4 0 3.11

Pitches-strikes: Lehr 37-24 - 65%

Edd Roush
07-05-2009, 05:25 PM
TV for Louisville Game:

http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-milb.php?w=110696

FYI Bats up 3-0 in Game 2 and this link still works. Picture is pretty good too.

REDblooded
07-05-2009, 05:28 PM
I am sitting 3 rows deep right next to first base. Lehr was completely robbed on the Bixler single. No-hitter lost because of it.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 05:29 PM
Wiley homers again!

3-for-3 with three homers, a walk, and 6 RBI! Wow!

REDblooded
07-05-2009, 05:30 PM
To elaborate, the throw beat the runner by a half step

mace
07-05-2009, 05:42 PM
Just saw a tremendous catch by Heisey. Back to the plate, running straight and hard toward the CF wall.

Edd Roush
07-05-2009, 05:43 PM
Web gem from Heisey for the first out of the fifth. For any of those who question his defense, I certainly believe it to be better than Taveras. I firmly believe that the ball Taveras let fall for a double in the fourth today would have been caught by both Stubbs and Heisey.

The Taveras experiment is over. Time for Stubbs/Heisey.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 05:51 PM
Andrew Means singles with two outs to bring up Wiley, looking for his 4th homer of the game.

Called strike one, ball, ball, strike two called, foul, ball three, strike three called. Horrible strike three call according to the announcer. He said the pitch was well inside and low.

GOYA
07-05-2009, 05:56 PM
Lehr has an uncharacteristically rough 5th inning. Burton on.


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Lehr 4.2 5 4 4 2 4 1 3.43
Burton 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00

Bats down 4-3

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 06:22 PM
Dayton trails 20-11 going into the 9th inning.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 06:30 PM
Dayton loses 20-11.

Fellhauer: 2-for-6 double, 2 RBI
Means: 3-for-4 double, two HBP, two SB
Wiley: 3-for-5 three HR (#6, 7, 8), walk, 5 RBI
Puckett: 1-for-5
Coddington: 1-for-4
Konstanty: 0-for-3
Brown: 2-for-3 double, two walks
Rojas: 1-for-4 walk

Ezequiel Infante: 2.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

Redmachine2003
07-05-2009, 07:11 PM
Byron Wiley has been on a tear lately. He made some adjustments after watching Votto and has been on a tear since.

To the Tune of .421 over the last nine games since Votto arrived with 5 hrs 3 2bs and 1 triple and 17 RBs

Superdude
07-05-2009, 08:47 PM
Votto's frickin magic

redsof72
07-05-2009, 09:13 PM
Interesting day for Dayton to say the least. Could get even more interesting tomorrow. They clearly hit Means intentionally in the ninth because they did not like him trying to bunt for a hit in a 20-11 game. Then he stole second, down by nine runs (ruled fielder's indifference). Brown stole third when the score was 13-2.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 10:03 PM
Sarasota lost 5-2.

Reed: 0-for-4
Sappelt: 0-for-4
Phipps: 1-for-4 double
Soto: 2-for-4 double
Mesoraco: 1-for-4 double

Webb: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 5 BB, 5 K

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 10:05 PM
Carolina lost 6-0.

Kainer: 0-for-3 walk
Frazier: 1-for-4
Francisco: 0-for-3 walk
Cozart: 0-for-2 two walks
Parker: 1-for-3 walk

Watson: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2009, 10:07 PM
Billings won 8-7.

Oliveras: 1-for-3 two walks
Kuo: 3-for-5 double, 3 RBI
Sosa: 2-for-5
Fleury: 1-for-4
Conner: 1-for-4 double
Garton: 2-for-3 double, walk
Gregorius: 1-for-4

Donnie Joseph: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 0 K

icehole3
07-06-2009, 05:58 AM
Wiley is built like a Linebacker, runs like a deer.

davereds24
07-06-2009, 06:24 AM
Anyone know why Matt Maloney was pulled after five innings (66 pitches)?

with the double header they are going to have to bring someone back on short rest or use a 6th starter, so maybe they plan on using Maloney on short rest.

texasdave
07-06-2009, 10:06 AM
Wiley is built like a Linebacker, runs like a deer.

So if I wanted to write and ask for his autograph would I begin the request letter with the words "Deer Linebacker"? :)

texasdave
07-06-2009, 10:10 AM
It seems painfully obvious that Ian Snell does not belong in AAA. Walt should make a low-ball offer and try to steal him. You can't have too many major-league arms.

REDblooded
07-06-2009, 10:46 AM
It seems painfully obvious that Ian Snell does not belong in AAA. Walt should make a low-ball offer and try to steal him. You can't have too many major-league arms.

Especially when one of them is Bronson Arroyo.

BRM
07-06-2009, 10:48 AM
So the Reds now see Rosales as a better option at SS than Valaika? Interesting development.

redsof72
07-06-2009, 12:03 PM
Wiley is an average runner. But yes, he is solidly built and not someone you would want hitting you at full speed. Just ask the Fort Wayne catcher he knocked into la-la land last week.

It will be interesting to watch Wiley over the next few days and see how long he can keep this momentum going.

The biggest negative with Wiley is that there is no way he could ever play any position other than left field, and he is going to be well below average there, simply because his arm is off-the-charts weak. On a potential sacrifice fly that would reach the depth where a normal left fielder would have a 50/50 chance to throw out the runner, Wiley would have to use a relay man. He is about 80 feet short on his arm strength than an average left fielder.

But you can't take anything away from the game he had yesterday. Even the West Michigan fans were cheering him after the third homer.

lollipopcurve
07-06-2009, 12:11 PM
Wiley is an average runner. But yes, he is solidly built and not someone you would want hitting you at full speed. Just ask the Fort Wayne catcher he knocked into la-la land last week.

It will be interesting to watch Wiley over the next few days and see how long he can keep this momentum going.

The biggest negative with Wiley is that there is no way he could ever play any position other than left field, and he is going to be well below average there, simply because his arm is off-the-charts weak. On a potential sacrifice fly that would reach the depth where a normal left fielder would have a 50/50 chance to throw out the runner, Wiley would have to use a relay man. He is about 80 feet short on his arm strength than an average left fielder.

But you can't take anything away from the game he had yesterday. Even the West Michigan fans were cheering him after the third homer.

Redsof72, I'm curious about the power tool for Wiley and Means. Whose got more raw power? Do you see either guy maintaining/gaining real power potential as he moves up?

redsof72
07-06-2009, 12:34 PM
Wiley has tremendous raw power. Far more than Means. Not even close.

Means is a big, strong guy who should have better power than he has now when he gets his body better conditioned for baseball and gets some flexibility in his hands/wrists. Means has outstanding speed.

Benihana
07-06-2009, 12:37 PM
Wiley is an average runner. But yes, he is solidly built and not someone you would want hitting you at full speed. Just ask the Fort Wayne catcher he knocked into la-la land last week.

It will be interesting to watch Wiley over the next few days and see how long he can keep this momentum going.

The biggest negative with Wiley is that there is no way he could ever play any position other than left field, and he is going to be well below average there, simply because his arm is off-the-charts weak. On a potential sacrifice fly that would reach the depth where a normal left fielder would have a 50/50 chance to throw out the runner, Wiley would have to use a relay man. He is about 80 feet short on his arm strength than an average left fielder.

But you can't take anything away from the game he had yesterday. Even the West Michigan fans were cheering him after the third homer.

If his arm is that weak, wouldn't he better suited for 1B?

lollipopcurve
07-06-2009, 12:42 PM
Wiley has tremendous raw power. Far more than Means. Not even close.

Means is a big, strong guy who should have better power than he has now when he gets his body better conditioned for baseball and gets some flexibility in his hands/wrists. Means has outstanding speed.

Interesting -- thanks. Good to hear re: Wiley. He got obscenely hot late last year with Billings. Maybe he'll do the same this season... so far, so good, I'd say.

Another question -- can Means defend?

redsof72
07-06-2009, 12:45 PM
I would say Wiley is obscenely hot right now. Will be interesting to watch.

Means is an outstanding defensive outfielder, strong arm, can play center well and has the arm to play right.

lollipopcurve
07-06-2009, 12:46 PM
I would say Wiley is obscenely hot right now. Will be interesting to watch.

Means is an outstanding defensive outfielder, strong arm, can play center well and has the arm to play right.

Nice. Dayton has become an interesting group here in the 2nd half.

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2009, 12:50 PM
Nice. Dayton has become an interesting group here in the 2nd half.

Yep. The addition of Josh Fellhauer makes them more interesting. We should see a few more 2009draftees make their way to Dayton later this summer. Donnie Joseph, Mark Serrano, and Brian Pearl are all candidates to see some time in Dayton this year. Possibly Brad Boxberger too if he signs in time.

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2009, 01:02 PM
Shea Snowden helps Luca Panerati celebrate his first win.

http://billingsgazette.com/sports/baseball/professional/minor/pioneer-league/mustangs/vmix_1e893496-69d5-11de-bcc0-001cc4c03286.html

texasdave
07-06-2009, 01:06 PM
Shea Snowden helps Luca Panerati celebrate his first win.

http://billingsgazette.com/sports/baseball/professional/minor/pioneer-league/mustangs/vmix_1e893496-69d5-11de-bcc0-001cc4c03286.html

That, alone, is worth a bobblehead night, IMO. :beerme:

icehole3
07-07-2009, 05:43 AM
Wiley is an average runner. But yes, he is solidly built and not someone you would want hitting you at full speed. Just ask the Fort Wayne catcher he knocked into la-la land last week.

It will be interesting to watch Wiley over the next few days and see how long he can keep this momentum going.

The biggest negative with Wiley is that there is no way he could ever play any position other than left field, and he is going to be well below average there, simply because his arm is off-the-charts weak. On a potential sacrifice fly that would reach the depth where a normal left fielder would have a 50/50 chance to throw out the runner, Wiley would have to use a relay man. He is about 80 feet short on his arm strength than an average left fielder.

But you can't take anything away from the game he had yesterday. Even the West Michigan fans were cheering him after the third homer.

not to doubt any of your extreme knowledge of most of the players in the organization, but he can run and he can play center, the Reds may not play him in center but when I saw him in college he was a good center fielder, I just disagree with your comments a little.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/dayton-dragons/meet-the-dragons-byron-wiley-181403.html

http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=228489

26-31 in steals in college

icehole3
07-07-2009, 08:12 AM
here's some quick footage of Wiley legging out a double.

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