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Grande Donkey
07-05-2009, 12:09 PM
A lot of talk about Votto being the Reds representative in the AS game but I think everyone is overlooking Mr. Cueto. He has been lights out this season. 4th in the NL in ERA and WHIP. Cueto has an ERA+ of 165. So, should Cueto be the Reds representative in the AS Game ? I say yes.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 12:14 PM
How could he not be?

Also how can Cordero not be as well.

cueto makes it for sure, probably should even start the game but wont, and Cordero has a pretty good shot as well.

Slyder
07-05-2009, 12:21 PM
Cordero will probably be a numbers game. Really depends on how many pitchers the NL takes and how many dodgers they try to shoe horn in.

WILD THING
07-05-2009, 12:25 PM
If Cueto played for a NY or LA or someone like that, he'd be starting. But since he's in a mid-market team, I have a feeling he'll either be overlooked or be added to the roster with the chance of not pitching more than an inning or so. I'd like to see him on the All-Star team, but I'd be fine with him not throwing more than 15-20 pitches if he does.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 01:42 PM
cueto didnt make it but Cordero did.

What a joke

corwinator3407
07-05-2009, 02:15 PM
I'd like to see head to head numbers of Cueto vs. Johan Santana (who's below average season so far got him on the team) this year

texasdave
07-05-2009, 02:57 PM
Yes.

Kingspoint
07-05-2009, 05:09 PM
Cueto is not an All-Star. He's close, but you could make a case for a dozen starting pitchers in the NL this season that have done better or as well. That doesn't include the relievers.

His blowups against the 3 American League clubs made it a lock that he wouldn't be pitching in the All-Star game this season.

I'd pick Masset and Votto, and I'd have to look at the 'bubble" players while considering Phillips and Cueto.

Kingspoint
07-05-2009, 05:10 PM
But, if you are going to pick a REDS pitcher to be in the All-Star game, it should be Cueto and not Cordero.

GIDP
07-05-2009, 05:11 PM
Reds have a strong case to have 3 all stars. of the three 2 of them should have been no brainers.

sivman17
07-06-2009, 01:21 AM
the whole all star selection system is whacked out. josh hamilton is the starting CF for the AL. he's played in only 35 games and is batting .240! either the fans are unintelligent or MLB needs to do something about this

improbus
07-06-2009, 10:18 AM
I'm very happy that Cordero is our only All Star. I don't like it when starters make the All Star team, it messes with their rhythm. Cordero is used to coming in for one inning, so his appearance is nothing out of the ordinary for him.

I like it when our guys get some time off.

Grande Donkey
07-06-2009, 04:14 PM
Cueto is not an All-Star. He's close, but you could make a case for a dozen starting pitchers in the NL this season that have done better or as well. That doesn't include the relievers.

His blowups against the 3 American League clubs made it a lock that he wouldn't be pitching in the All-Star game this season.

I'd pick Masset and Votto, and I'd have to look at the 'bubble" players while considering Phillips and Cueto.Who are these 12 starters who are as good or better than Cueto this season?

improbus
07-06-2009, 07:46 PM
I don't think he is an all star now...:(

GIDP
07-06-2009, 07:47 PM
Even with his bad game hes still better than a handful of the selections.

FlyerFanatic
07-06-2009, 08:05 PM
Even with his bad game hes still better than a handful of the selections.

no need to have him throwin meaningless pitches in an all star game. dusty works him enough as it is. 49 pitches in 1 inning?

DTCromer
07-06-2009, 08:32 PM
lulz @ at most Reds fans complaining about this.

You can argue all you want about Johnny being an All-Star, and deservedly so.

However, this is why arguing about who should and shouldn't be on an AS team is pointless and stupid.

Redus
07-06-2009, 09:44 PM
Not tonight!!! Holy crap...what a pounding the boys took tonight.

Kingspoint
07-07-2009, 03:09 PM
Who are these 12 starters who are as good or better than Cueto this season?

Did you watch Cueto pitch last night?

Kingspoint
07-07-2009, 03:38 PM
You want a dozen?

Dan Haren .544 OPSa; 0.826 WHIP (on pace for the 9th best WHIP in MLB History)
Tim Lincecum .570 OPSa; 1.050 WHIP
Josh Johnson .595 OPSa; 1.128 WHIP
Javier Vazquez .625 OPSa; 1.071 WHIP
Yovani Gallardo .628 OPSa; 1.147 WHIP
Chad Billingsley .646 OPSa; 1.205 WHIP
Clayton Kershaw .636 OPSa; 1.312 WHIP
Matt Cain .666 OPSa; 1.223 WHIP
Ubaldo Jimenez .664 OPSa; 1.331 WHIP
Jason Marquis .674 OPSa; 1.295 WHIP
Jair Jurrjens .674 OPSa; 1.265 WHIP
Adam Wainwright .683 OPSa; 1.316 WHIP
Johan Santana .692 OPSa; 1.226 WHIP
Joel Piniero .686 OPSa; 1.175 WHIP
Randy Wolf .699 OPSa; 1.154 WHIP
Carlos Zambrano .694 OPSa; 1.311 WHIP
Ted Lilly .715a OPSa; 1.144 WHIP

There's 16 right there. There are several more who could be supported to have had as good a first half as Cueto. I'm leaving out Chris Carpenter and his miniscule 0.824 WHIP because he only has 78 IP.

Cueto .707 OPSa; 1.188 WHIP

GBC Red
07-07-2009, 05:40 PM
Did you watch Cueto pitch last night?

One game doesn't make or break a pitcher. We'll see how he responds to this, everyone gets lit up every now and then.

Kingspoint
07-07-2009, 06:38 PM
One game doesn't make or break a pitcher. We'll see how he responds to this, everyone gets lit up every now and then.

That is true. That's why there are other posts in this thread. Such as the 16 other starting National League pitchers listed that have pitched as well or better than Cueto since the beginning of the season and have as many innings as he has. Or, the post that pays attention to Cueto's last 5 starts where he's allowed at least 5 runs to be scored in 4 of them. That's not the kind of momentum deserving of All-Star selection.

Take away his last 5 starts and he is an All-Star. But, you can't take away his last 5 starts. He went out there and pitched and pitched poorly.

Stormy Weathers
07-07-2009, 07:42 PM
lol @ opsa and whip but not ERA. idc how many guys he lets on base if he doesnt let them score.

Kingspoint
07-07-2009, 07:46 PM
lol @ opsa and whip but not ERA. idc how many guys he lets on base if he doesnt let them score.

I was being kind. I gave you the two stats, which I feel best exemplify how a pitcher pitches. I put ERA after those two, as other factors carry into that more than they do with OPS Against and WHIP.

Cueto is 17th in ERA in the NL among starters who have pitched enough to qualify for the ERA title.

Old NDN
07-08-2009, 09:58 AM
No.

GBC Red
07-08-2009, 01:57 PM
That is true. That's why there are other posts in this thread. Such as the 16 other starting National League pitchers listed that have pitched as well or better than Cueto since the beginning of the season and have as many innings as he has. Or, the post that pays attention to Cueto's last 5 starts where he's allowed at least 5 runs to be scored in 4 of them. That's not the kind of momentum deserving of All-Star selection.

Take away his last 5 starts and he is an All-Star. But, you can't take away his last 5 starts. He went out there and pitched and pitched poorly.

I never meant to imply I thought he deserved to be an all-star, I was simply arguing the point that was made about he wasn't an all star after allowing 9 runs in less than an inning.

As for Cueto being an all-star, I don't think he's there quite yet, but he will be in time.

Kingspoint
07-08-2009, 06:24 PM
I never meant to imply I thought he deserved to be an all-star, I was simply arguing the point that was made about he wasn't an all star after allowing 9 runs in less than an inning.

As for Cueto being an all-star, I don't think he's there quite yet, but he will be in time.

He is the ACE of this staff, though.

I'd be shocked if he gives up more than 2 "Earned" runs in his next start.

Baker could do him a favor and not start Willy T and Hairston when he pitches.