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Tom Servo
07-05-2009, 01:55 PM
C. Dickerson LF
W. Taveras CF
J. Votto 1B
B. Phillips 2B
J. Bruce RF
E. Encarnacion 3B
J. Hairston Jr. SS
R. Hanigan C
B. Arroyo P


and the Cardinals:

S. Schumaker 2B
C. Rasmus CF
A. Pujols 1B
R. Ludwick RF
R. Ankiel LF
Y. Molina C
J. Thurston 3B
C. Carpenter P
B. Ryan SS

Falls City Beer
07-05-2009, 02:01 PM
What's the weather like?

wheels
07-05-2009, 02:03 PM
Ryan Hanigan lives!

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:10 PM
According to Marty, it is overcast, lights on, but not raining.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:12 PM
Arroyo allows a double to Schumacher on the first pitch of the game. And...we're off.

wheels
07-05-2009, 02:13 PM
Meatballs for lunch whether we want them or not.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:14 PM
Rasmus homers.

Arroyo doing what Arroyo do.

2-0 Cards.

Tom Servo
07-05-2009, 02:14 PM
Someone take Arroyo off our hands, please.

Falls City Beer
07-05-2009, 02:14 PM
It's incredibly sad that the Reds haven't either gotten a book on Rasmus or plunked him.

RedFanAlways1966
07-05-2009, 02:15 PM
Down 2-0 and Chris Carpenter pitching against this team's offense. Not lookin' good.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:15 PM
Last two starts, 9 IP for Arroyo, 18 hits, and 13 runs, 11 of which are earned, according to Marty B.

Ouch.

Ironically, Pujols flies out to CF.

One down.

MrCinatit
07-05-2009, 02:15 PM
Looks like Bronson is making a pretty good case for being a 5th starter - or long reliever when Volquez comes of the DL.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:16 PM
Ludwick grounds out to 3b, EE's throw wide, Votto applies the tag.

Two down.

Tom Servo
07-05-2009, 02:16 PM
Disapointing off-line throw from EE, but Votto tags the guy out.

Falls City Beer
07-05-2009, 02:16 PM
I think Arroyo needs to go on the "DL."

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:16 PM
In case you are not aware, Roddick and Federer are playing a flat classic fifth set at Wimbledon, by the way, 13-14 in the 5th set, Roddick serving.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:17 PM
Ankiel flies out.

2-0 after half an inning.

Reds need to come at Carpenter with extreme and furious anger today.

Falls City Beer
07-05-2009, 02:17 PM
Tale of two seasons for Ankiel--he had .900 + OPS last season, but this season he's down to .667. Hmmm.

nate
07-05-2009, 02:18 PM
I wonder how often a guy fouls off two bunts and then hits a HR.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:19 PM
Nate, I am in Nashville at the in-laws, is this on TV here?

Tom Servo
07-05-2009, 02:19 PM
I think Arroyo needs to go.
This statement also works.

oneupper
07-05-2009, 02:20 PM
Tale of two seasons for Ankiel--he had .900 + OPS last season, but this season he's down to .667. Hmmm.

No Hmmm there. Ankiel has lost his supply of HGH.

Now if they could cut off His Great Highness Pujols' provider.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:20 PM
Missed the first out, and then Willy T grounds out.

Two outs, Votto up.

oneupper
07-05-2009, 02:21 PM
Missed the first out, and then Willy T grounds out.

Two outs, Votto up.

Dickerson grounded out to first. First pitch.

nate
07-05-2009, 02:21 PM
Nate, I am in Nashville at the in-laws, is this on TV here?

I've got it on DirecTV, channel 661 right now.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:22 PM
Votto gone, missed how.

2-0 Cards after one.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:23 PM
I've got it on DirecTV, channel 661 right now.

No DirecTV at the in-laws, was hoping maybe a rogue FSN was on their cable system, probably not.

The weird MLB blackout rules won't let me watch it on the computer either.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:23 PM
Dickerson grounded out to first. First pitch.

Nice patience...

oneupper
07-05-2009, 02:24 PM
Votto gone, missed how.

2-0 Cards after one.

Called Strike Three. Pitch a bit inside and high, but the ump liked it enough.

NC Reds
07-05-2009, 02:24 PM
I'll be glad when the youth movement (Heisey, Stubbs, Frazier, Cozart, Stewart, Wood, et al) takes hold on this team. There are too many duds getting AB's and innings.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:25 PM
Grounder to SS starts the StL second, one down.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:26 PM
Pop up to second retire Thurston, two quick outs.

Falls City Beer
07-05-2009, 02:27 PM
Cards swinging like they got a plane to catch. Too bad Arroyo couldn't have taken advantage of that in the first.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:27 PM
Carpenter Ks.

2-0 Cards middle of 2.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:27 PM
Federer on championship point at Wimbledon 4 hours 17 minutes into the match.

Tom Servo
07-05-2009, 02:28 PM
1-2-3 inning for Arroyo, because he didn't half to face any lefties and one of the batters was Carpenter.

nate
07-05-2009, 02:28 PM
No DirecTV at the in-laws, was hoping maybe a rogue FSN was on their cable system, probably not.

The weird MLB blackout rules won't let me watch it on the computer either.

Man, I hear that.

It's also on FS Midswest and FS Indiana if that helps.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:28 PM
And Fed takes it, 16-14 in the 5th set. Heckuva match.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:31 PM
Phillips Ks.

One down to start the second.

GAC
07-05-2009, 02:31 PM
Chat is open :beerme:

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:33 PM
Bruce grounds out, two down, EE up.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:34 PM
Grounder to SS ends the second.

2-0 Cards after two.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:37 PM
Ryan pops out to open the third, one down, back to the top of the order.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:38 PM
Schumacher flies out to CF, two quick outs, the evil Colby Rasmus heads to the plate.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:39 PM
Rasmus grounds out to 1b.

Nine in a row for Arroyo since the nasty start to the game.

2-0 Cards middle of 3.

Tom Servo
07-05-2009, 02:41 PM
Hey, a hit!

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:41 PM
JHJ grounds a single to CF to start the 3rd, so the no-hitter is by the wayside...

Hanigan up.

BCubb2003
07-05-2009, 02:44 PM
Rasmus grounds out to 1b.

Nine in a row for Arroyo since the nasty start to the game.

2-0 Cards middle of 3.


Bad first innings damage our ability to keep things in perspective.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:45 PM
Well, first innings also on occasion lose games for this team. There is not much margin for error today..

Hanigan bloops a hit to RF, runners at first and second, Arroyo up with no outs.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:46 PM
Arroyo does his job, geting a perfect bunt down, and moves the runners along.

JHJ at third, Hanigan at second, one out.

C'mon, Dickerson.

RedsManRick
07-05-2009, 02:48 PM
Superb bunt by Arroyo there; wouldn't mind having him take a slug bunt there though.

jojo
07-05-2009, 02:48 PM
Nice bunt by Arroyo

BCubb2003
07-05-2009, 02:48 PM
Well, first innings also on occasion lose games for this team. There is not much margin for error today..

Hanigan bloops a hit to RF, runners at first and second, Arroyo up with no outs.

Yes, I don't like the trend of a bad first inning, pitching sharp for a while, then leaving in trouble.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:48 PM
Dickerson hanging tough, count is at 2-2...

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:49 PM
Dickerson jammed, pops out to SS.

Rats.

Two outs.

C'mon, Willy T.

mth123
07-05-2009, 02:50 PM
Rooting for a wild pitch right here.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:50 PM
Taveras grounds back to the mound.

Double rats.

2-0 Cards after three.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:51 PM
Man, reds, really needed to push across at least one there. Frustrating.

jojo
07-05-2009, 02:51 PM
Dickerson pops up and fails to get the runner on third home but he also spoiled a couple of excellent pitches.... Carpenter wins but Dickerson did a good job...

mth123
07-05-2009, 02:51 PM
Two CF in the line-up leave 'em on 2nd and 3rd.

RedsManRick
07-05-2009, 02:52 PM
Taveras really is the perfect guy to bat 9th... I don't want him up with men on base and I certainly don't want him getting more PA than anybody else. Move everybody else up a slot and be done with it.

Falls City Beer
07-05-2009, 02:52 PM
You're not going to beat Carpenter by stringing together bunches of hits; he doesn't give up any. You're going to have to get lucky and get one pitch to elevate.

mth123
07-05-2009, 02:53 PM
You're not going to beat Carpenter by stringing together bunches of hits; he doesn't give up any. You're going to have to get lucky and get one pitch to elevate.

All the more reason for a power bat out there instead of two CF in the OF.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:54 PM
Pujols singles to LF. Feels like a moral victory to start the 4th.

One on, none out.

Falls City Beer
07-05-2009, 02:55 PM
All the more reason for a power bat out there instead of two CF in the OF.

I guess, though Nix has been terrible lately and Gomes would stand little better chance against Carpenter than Taveras.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 02:55 PM
Man, reds, really needed to push across at least one there. Frustrating.

Story of the season.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:56 PM
Ludwick singles to CF.

Runners at first and second. No outs.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:57 PM
I guess, though Nix has been terrible lately and Gomes would stand little better chance against Carpenter than Taveras.

Nix doubled again yesterday and continues to lead the team with 19. He would not have been the worst choice possible to try and get some power into the line-up.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:57 PM
Ankiel pops out to CF on the first pitch he sees. Thanks, Ankiel!

One down, runners still on first and second.

Molina up.

membengal
07-05-2009, 02:58 PM
By the way, I was at the game yesterday, was George on the mic for FSN? What was his explanation for Molina's throwing the ball inexplicably into LF to gift-wrap the Reds a third run?

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 02:59 PM
You ever find the game on TV membengal?

Gallen5862
07-05-2009, 02:59 PM
Thanks for the PBP.

jojo
07-05-2009, 02:59 PM
I think Arroyo needs to go on the "DL."

I agree with the notion that Arroyo is broke.... His Krate is too low for him to be successful.

Tom Servo
07-05-2009, 02:59 PM
3-0 Cards. I'd start packing it in right about now.

Matt700wlw
07-05-2009, 03:00 PM
Bronson...sigh.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 03:00 PM
By the way, I was at the game yesterday, was George on the mic for FSN? What was his explanation for Molina's throwing the ball inexplicably into LF to gift-wrap the Reds a third run?
Nope. Thom and Chris on TV.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:00 PM
Molina singles to LF and Pujols scores.

3-0 St. Louis.

Reds' prospects looking dimmer and dimmer given the mound opponent.

This was always the worry after they let Friday night slip away. The pitching match-up today is anthrax...

Thurston up.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:00 PM
You ever find the game on TV membengal?

No, I am off the radio feed on mlb.com.

Falls City Beer
07-05-2009, 03:00 PM
Everything's up in the zone. Odds getting longer by the pitch.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:01 PM
Thurston grounds out on what sounds like a nice play by Phillips.

Carpenter up, two outs, two on at second and third.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:01 PM
Carpenter singles to CF.

Arroyo is less than satisfactory.

4-0 Cardinals, runners at 1st and 3rd.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:02 PM
Carpenter entered that at-bat hitting .118. Gracious.

Falls City Beer
07-05-2009, 03:02 PM
Terrible. Game over. No matter the offense, this game was over before a single pitch was thrown.

Hoosier Red
07-05-2009, 03:02 PM
What do you think it would take to trade for Doug Davis, maybe they can DL Bronson. Something isn't right.

Matt700wlw
07-05-2009, 03:02 PM
Wow....the .118 hitting pitcher

reds44
07-05-2009, 03:02 PM
Arroyo can't even get pitchers out.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:03 PM
Arroyo not really giving the team a chance nowadays. Add on the celestial practical joke of having him draw both Haren and Carpenter this week, and it is bordering on unfair.

Falls City Beer
07-05-2009, 03:03 PM
What do you think it would take to trade for Doug Davis, maybe they can DL Bronson. Something isn't right.

A GM who could see past the obvious offensive depth of this franchise and get another necessary rotation anchor.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 03:04 PM
Arroyo is making things hard for the Reds to win. 4 runs (though it's probably enough already) in 4 innings is simply not getting it done.. Unfortunately, the offense is so poor, no pitcher can give up more than 2 in order to give the Reds a chance to win and against Carpenter, you can't allow any. Mission Impossilble.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:04 PM
Arroyo K's B. Ryan, so, take that!

Barn burning, horses fleeing across the prarie, and the Card are up 4-0 middle of 4.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:05 PM
At least Arroyo won't be asked to pitch against the Phillies in Philly. Against those lefties in that park, the way he is throwing now, well, it probably would not be a pleasing result for Reds fans.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:07 PM
Votto up, Brantley says he is trying to get back in the groove. Not sure what that might be, Votto has been nails for two weeks now.

Kc61
07-05-2009, 03:08 PM
A GM who could see past the obvious offensive depth of this franchise and get another necessary rotation anchor.

The Reds can survive without Arroyo, easily. They have Owings, Harang, Bailey, Cueto. They have Volquez rehabbing. They have Maloney and Lehr as stop gap help for a few games here and there, if necessary.

Arroyo is giving them nothing, his ERA is unacceptable. Hopefully, some GM will see something in him and take him off the Reds' hands.

It's not that difficult to replace a guy whose ERA is near six.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 03:08 PM
At least Arroyo won't be asked to pitch against the Phillies in Philly. Against those lefties in that park, the way he is throwing now, well, it probably would not be a pleasing result for Reds fans.

:) As if this is. The Reds should have have just played the bench today and given everyone a rest with Arroyo pitching like he is. It seems to happen in the middle of the season every year for him.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:08 PM
Votto grounds to 1b. One down.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:09 PM
The Reds can survive without Arroyo, easily. They have Owings, Harang, Bailey, Cueto. They have Volquez rehabbing. They have Maloney and Lehr as stop gap help for a few games here and there, if necessary.

Arroyo is giving them nothing, his ERA is unacceptable. Hopefully, some GM will see something in him and take him off the Reds' hands.

It's not that difficult to replace a guy whose ERA is near six.

I oughta make that my sig.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:12 PM
Phillips BBs.

Nice.

Could use a big fly from Bruce here...

One down, one on.

BCubb2003
07-05-2009, 03:12 PM
It's odd how we figure that Arroyo is a big bag of nothingness, but we hope some other GM will take him.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:15 PM
Phillips runs, Bruce swings and missed for a K. Phillips thrown out at second.

Inning over.

That's the opposite of what I wanted.

4-0 after 4.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 03:15 PM
Typical result. Why I care is a mystery.

NC Reds
07-05-2009, 03:15 PM
Dusty Ball.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:15 PM
It's odd how we figure that Arroyo is a big bag of nothingness, but we hope some other GM will take him.

Don't rob people of their hopes and dreams. And don't underestimate that some other team might hope that their pitching coach could redeem him...At least give us that. Please, at least that. Hope is a fleeting thing.

Tom Servo
07-05-2009, 03:17 PM
It's odd how we figure that Arroyo is a big bag of nothingness, but we hope some other GM will take him.
Everybody's stupid but us?

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:17 PM
Schumaker opens the 5th with a single, and the beat goes on.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-05-2009, 03:18 PM
Now Tavares can't catch fly balls?

Tom Servo
07-05-2009, 03:18 PM
Bronson continues to impress.

BCubb2003
07-05-2009, 03:18 PM
Don't rob people of their hopes and dreams. And don't underestimate that some other team might hope that their pitching coach could redeem him...At least give us that. Please, at least that. Hope is a fleeting thing.

Maybe somebody else's Gully can fix him. I hear tell Eric Milton is still making a living on the mound.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:18 PM
And then Rasmus hits a fly ball to CF, and Marty says that Willy T misplayed the heck out of it, coasted, misjudged it, and it fell for what became a groundrule double.

I will censor myself here.

Matt700wlw
07-05-2009, 03:18 PM
Willy T is not a good centerfielder

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 03:18 PM
It's odd how we figure that Arroyo is a big bag of nothingness, but we hope some other GM will take him.

I agree. With the Reds jumping the gun to sign him long term (a lot of that was done in those days), our fate was sealed. We'll forever look back at that period and wonder why Arroyo, Freel, and others were given the extentions given the knowledge at hand (and that includes one Jerry Narron).

reds44
07-05-2009, 03:18 PM
Arroyo is brutal.
So is Taveras

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:19 PM
Marty and Jeff say "lack of hustle from the beginning" on the fly.

I will continue to censor myself.

But, gracious.

Pujols intentionally walked to load the bases. No outs.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-05-2009, 03:19 PM
None of this really matters. If the Reds can't score (and they won't off Chris Carpenter), a 1-0 loss is the same as a 9-0 loss

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 03:22 PM
None of this really matters. If the Reds can't score (and they won't off Chris Carpenter), a 1-0 loss is the same as a 9-0 loss

True. Maybe the 10-run rule will be called like in Little League?

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:23 PM
Ludwick grounds to 3b, EE comes home and throws it away.

The circus is in town.

6-0 Cards.

reds44
07-05-2009, 03:23 PM
Bad news bears.

Matt700wlw
07-05-2009, 03:23 PM
Edwin is still Edwin.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 03:23 PM
Edwin does what he does. Why is he so valued? I can't even imagine.

Tom Servo
07-05-2009, 03:23 PM
That was hideous.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:23 PM
I must say folks, I think my time at the computer listening to this one is about to come to a close. I will do a little more PBP, and then prob leave it up to the masochists among us.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-05-2009, 03:23 PM
This team is a train wreck.

Back to .500 going into 7 games at Philly and at New York?

Could be curtains.

GAC
07-05-2009, 03:24 PM
Typical EE - makes a nice pickup on a tough ball.... and then throws it wide.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:25 PM
Fly ball to LF is caught by Dickerson. Pujols scores.

7-0 Cards.

One out in the 5th.

GAC
07-05-2009, 03:26 PM
And where was CDick throwing that ball? Think man!

Falls City Beer
07-05-2009, 03:27 PM
This team is a train wreck.

Back to .500 going into 7 games at Philly and at New York?

Could be curtains.

Arroyo is really the only glaring, guaranteed, lead-pipe cinch loss in the rotation.

Tom Servo
07-05-2009, 03:27 PM
Ludwick grounds to 3b, EE comes home and throws it away.

The circus is in town.

6-0 Cards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8vINCq_IAI

Reds soundtrack.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:27 PM
Arroyo's next start is in NY. Fences way back there, right? Perhaps that will help.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 03:27 PM
Typical EE - makes a nice pickup on a tough ball.... and then throws it wide.

The Reds are not as bad as they appear today, but they're not that good either. They need major leaguers in the outfield, at third and shortstop. They don't have these and until the franchise realizes that baeball is played in both halves of the inning, then this is what you get.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:27 PM
Base hit to LF for Molina, runners at first and third, still one out.

Joe Thurston up.

GAC
07-05-2009, 03:28 PM
Arroyo throwing batting practice now.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:29 PM
Thurston lines to CF. Taveras goes ahead and catches this one.

Ludwick scores on the sac fly.

8-0 Cards.

Carpenter up.

GAC
07-05-2009, 03:29 PM
Charge that 8th run to CDick for not holding the runner on his errant throw in

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:30 PM
Arroyo throwing batting practice now.

I get the distinct impression he is indeed not giving max effort on these pitches at the moment.

8-0 Cards mid of five after Carpenter flies out.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:31 PM
Charge that 8th run to CDick for not holding the runner on his errant throw in

Thanks for the perspective. Marty and Jeff are lobbying for an error on EE for not catching it. Can't really tell what happened.

Regardless, it sounded less than ideal.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:31 PM
Reds:

Quest for a rather improbable nine run comeback commences...

now.

MrCinatit
07-05-2009, 03:32 PM
I get the distinct impression he is indeed not giving max effort on these pitches at the moment.

8-0 Cards mid of five after Carpenter flies out.

Which is why I let him stay in. Let him get absolutely pounded and use the bullpen on someone who cares.

Tony Cloninger
07-05-2009, 03:32 PM
EE making bad throws?

EE swinging at pitches 3-4 feet outside and pulling them?

The Sun rising in the morning?

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:33 PM
EE Ks on three pitches. Marty has gone straight to "irritable" with EE in his return.

GAC
07-05-2009, 03:34 PM
8 runs should be enough for Carpenter. It wouldn't be for Arroyo ;)

fisch11
07-05-2009, 03:34 PM
None of this really matters. If the Reds can't score (and they won't off Chris Carpenter), a 1-0 loss is the same as a 9-0 loss

Bingo. Today is why the loss on Friday was so devastating. That was going to be the most likely scenario for the Reds to win this series.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:34 PM
JHJ singles to short center, ball knocked down by SS but no play.

Hanigan up.

Tony Cloninger
07-05-2009, 03:35 PM
I thought he was ready? Baker did not think so....but some wrote it was stupid not to bring him up when he was hitting in AAA.

He looks WORSE than Adam Rosales right now....in that he cannot field either.

Agree...let Arroyo take the beating beacuse they have no rest for the next 7 days.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:36 PM
DP ends the inning.

8-0 Cards after five.

GAC
07-05-2009, 03:37 PM
Yeah - I see no reason not to let Arroyo keep pitching as long as possible and take the beating.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 03:38 PM
Arroyo's last 7 starts:

IP - 38
H - 52
R - 37
ER - 31
BB - 18
SO - 22
ERA - 9.00

Why would a franchise put up with that without at least doing something Maybe they are, but there is no evidence of it.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 03:39 PM
Thanks for the perspective. Marty and Jeff are lobbying for an error on EE for not catching it. Can't really tell what happened.

Regardless, it sounded less than ideal.

I thought the same thing.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:40 PM
Another base hit to start the 6th inning for St. Louis.

Arroyo still throwing cheese to the plate.

VR
07-05-2009, 03:40 PM
It is beyond me how someone cannot either teach Edwin how to throw the ball, or just realize that he will never be able to throw.

He looks like a 4th grade pitcher trying to 'aim' the ball on those easy grounders.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:41 PM
Back to the top of the order.

Marty turning some ire on Arroyo, wondering why Arroyo, with his experience, cannot work his way out of these problems.

jojo
07-05-2009, 03:41 PM
If trading Arroyo is in the Reds' plans, at this point, the Reds have to hope Arroyo rebounds significantly during the second half just so they might have a chance to dump his salary during the off season.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:42 PM
Schumacher singles to RF off the glove of a leaping Votto.

Two on, none out.

Rasmus up.

fisch11
07-05-2009, 03:43 PM
This team is a train wreck.

Back to .500 going into 7 games at Philly and at New York?

Could be curtains.

I disagree completely. The Phillies have one of the worst rotations in baseball and are terrible at home, while the Mets are missing multiple key players and are in a terrible funk.

jojo
07-05-2009, 03:43 PM
It is beyond me how someone cannot either teach Edwin how to throw the ball, or just realize that he will never be able to throw.

He looks like a 4th grade pitcher trying to 'aim' the ball on those easy grounders.

The throw to home was the result of being completely off balance. I guess his footwork could be criticized.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:43 PM
I will say this, the loss on Friday night, while gut-wrenching, was entertaining. I felt like I got my money's worth, and then some, being in attendance.

The problem with Arroyo is that too often this year he has not given anyone their money's worth in starts, especially at home. That has a rotting effect on the fans a franchise is trying to entice to the ballpark.

Arroyo walks Rasmus. Bases loaded for Pujols.

mth123
07-05-2009, 03:44 PM
I've been one of the Arroyo believers that thinks he could still get it together, but I'm ready to concede. That said, Willy, EdE and the throw from Dickerson made most of that 4 run inning on the rest of the team.

The last hope for Arroyo is the long rest from the All Star game. Last season Arroyo looked a lot worse than he does now, was pushed back a couple a days and after the long rest become one of the top pitchers in the league the rest of the year. He's not going to bring much in trade right now, there really isn't anybody knocking the door down to take his spot and the timing fits with Volquez' schedule. Arroyo should pitch in NY and hope the park helps him out, get about 8 days off and then go again. If the long rest doesn't rejuvinate his stuff, then DL him and let Volquez take his spot. A trade isn't realistic right now.

VR
07-05-2009, 03:44 PM
Announcers bagging on Reds poor handling of injuries. Imagine that.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 03:45 PM
I 've seen enough. Think I'll take a break. It's hard to watch this humiliation as Bronson walks the bases full and Dusty finally, I said finally, makes a move when all is lost.

Bronson is injured, no doubt. Time to DL him whether he likes it or not. As for the fielding...isn't it past time to be looking for a third baseman?

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:45 PM
Dusty finally putting Arroyo out of all of our miseries, surprised he didn't bring a shotgun to the mound with him.

Roenicke being summoned to a bases loaded, none out, Pujols up situation. Still 8-0 Cards, top of the 6th.

VR
07-05-2009, 03:45 PM
I've been one of the Arroyo believers that thinks he could still get it together, but I'm ready to concede. That said, Willy, EdE and the throw from Dickerson made most of that 4 run inning on the rest of the team.

The last hope for Arroyo is the long rest from the All Star game. Last season Arroyo looked a lot worse than he does now, was pushed back a couple a days and after the long rest become one of the top pitchers in the league the rest of the year. He's not going to bring much in trade right now, there really isn't anybody knocking the door down to take his spot and the timing fits with Volquez' schedule. Arroyo should pitch in NY and hope the park helps him out, get about 8 days off and then go again. If the long rest doesn't rejuvinate his stuff, then DL him and let Volquez take his spot. A trade isn't realistic right now.

Sounds like EV is more than a month out. It's only tingling though Reds fans :)

jojo
07-05-2009, 03:45 PM
I will say this, the loss on Friday night, while gut-wrenching, was entertaining. I felt like I got my money's worth, and then some, being in attendance.

The problem with Arroyo is that too often this year he has not given anyone their money's worth in starts, especially at home. That has a rotting effect on the fans a franchise is trying to entice to the ballpark.

Arroyo walks Rasmus. Bases loaded for Pujols.

Games like these are just brutal to watch. They completely deflate. Things won't be nearly as bad as they'll seem later this evening.

Boy though, if they limp into the ASB, it'll be Armageddon among the faithful.

GAC
07-05-2009, 03:46 PM
Again bases are loaded for Pujols.

Don't think it matters though does it?

Taking Arroyo out to prevent any more damage to his escalating ERA :lol:

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:47 PM
Sutton double switched into the game, playing SS.

Good luck, kid Roenicke. Pujols is 6 for 7 this year, with four slams in such situations.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:47 PM
Again bases are loaded for Pujols.

Don't think it matters though does it?

Taking Arroyo out to prevent any more damage to his escalating ERA :lol:

If those three on base score, it won't prevent much damage...

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:48 PM
Roenicke, as heaven is my witness, entices a 1-2-3 double play out of Pujols.

Well done, kid.

WVRedsFan
07-05-2009, 03:48 PM
6-8.

Nice job.

Kc61
07-05-2009, 03:48 PM
The throw to home was the result of being completely off balance. I guess his footwork could be criticized.

It's quite simple IMO. Just watch how Rosales did it.

A third baseman needs to set his feet before he throws. If he throws off balance, the throw will likely be errant.

It's easy on the easy plays. But when the play will be close, a third baseman still has to set his feet. Or he will throw wild. He can rush the play, ok, but he still has to set up or it will go wild.

Rosales, as an example, would always set up before a throw. His throws were true. Even on the close plays.

When rushed, EE's instinct is just to throw. He doesn't tend to take the extra time to set his feet. He gets the throw off quickly, butis off balance and it doesn't go straight. That's how I see it.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:50 PM
Three lefties waiting for the Reds in Philly, Hamels on Monday, Happ on Tuesday (ERA at 2.96 for the rookie) and Moyer on Thursday.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:51 PM
Ludwick grounds to SS.

Roenicke gets it done, and then some.

Wow.

8-0 Cards middle of six, but there's the good news from today. What Roenicke just did.

VR
07-05-2009, 03:51 PM
Nicely done by Roenicke.

fisch11
07-05-2009, 03:52 PM
It's quite simple IMO. Just watch how Rosales did it.

A third baseman needs to set his feet before he throws. If he throws off balance, the throw will likely be errant.

It's easy on the easy plays. But when the play will be close, a third baseman still has to set his feet. Or he will throw wild. He can rush the play, ok, but he still has to set up or it will go wild.

Rosales, as an example, would always set up before a throw. His throws were true. Even on the close plays.

When rushed, EE's instinct is just to throw. He doesn't tend to take the extra time to set his feet. He gets the throw off quickly, butis off balance and it doesn't go straight. That's how I see it.

Excellent viewpoint. It seems like EE just doesn't keep his composure and loses his focus on the close plays. But even early in this game he had a routine play with plenty of time to make a quality throw and lazily tossed one off the bag that Votto had to apply the tag with. I am convinced that it is 99% mental when it comes to his errors, because physically he can get to balls that nobody else would sniff.

GAC
07-05-2009, 03:52 PM
Forgvie me for my George Grande momemt :lol:

But anyone see the shot of Pujols in the dugout after that last A/B?

Even with the way this guy has been perfroming this year (totally unreal), he was very upset over what he did in that A/B, even with his team up 8-0.

What a competitive spirit. I wish we'd see that more consistently out of some of these Reds players.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:53 PM
Bottom of the 6th, quest for the improbable 9-run comeback win commences anew.

jojo
07-05-2009, 03:54 PM
Forgvie me for my George Grande momemt :lol:

But anyone see the shot of Pujols in the dugout after that last A/B?

Even with the way this guy has been perfroming this year (totally unreal), he was very upset over what he did in that A/B, even with his team up 8-0.

What a competitive spirit. I wish we'd see that more [b]consistently[/b[ out of some of these Reds players.

Pujols is the perfect baseball player.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:55 PM
Sutton flies to deep CF.

One down.

GAC
07-05-2009, 03:57 PM
Pujols is the perfect baseball player.

I agree.

When I was at yesterday's game I compared Votto to Pujols simply because of how valuable Votto has been to the Reds this year.... and some Card fans sitting behind me agreed. They think Votto is something special.

membengal
07-05-2009, 03:58 PM
Dickerson grounds out to 1b, quest for the improbable 9-run comeback not going well here in the 6th.

Willy T grounds out.

8-0 Cards after six innings.

mth123
07-05-2009, 04:00 PM
Three lefties waiting for the Reds in Philly, Hamels on Monday, Happ on Tuesday (ERA at 2.96 for the rookie) and Moyer on Thursday.

I think I'd try Sutton at SS and put Hairston and Gomes in there for Dickerson and Bruce. Bruce shouldn't play against lefty pitching at this point unless the Reds wave the white flag and start unloading guys. Hard to imagine that I'd play Willy over those two, but this is exactly why the Reds need a RH bat for the OF.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:00 PM
I will say this...Matt Maloney gave the team a fighting chance to win in the starts he got. Just sayin'...

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:00 PM
lead off hit for ankiel to start the 7th.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:01 PM
Molina hits into a DP on the first pitch he sees. Two outs quickly.

Cards swinging like they want to be on the plane already.

Thurston up.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:02 PM
Thurston grounds to 1b.

Real, REAL, nice work from Josh Roenicke this game.

Middle of 7, 8-0 Cardinals.

Quest for the improbabe 9-run comeback moves into the later innings...

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:03 PM
I think I'd try Sutton at SS and put Hairston and Gomes in there for Dickerson and Bruce. Bruce shouldn't play against lefty pitching at this point unless the Reds wave the white flag and start unloading guys. Hard to imagine that I'd play Willy over those two, but this is exactly why the Reds need a RH bat for the OF.

Sounds fine to me, and I agree that Bruce could use some off-days against lefties.

I would for sure sit him against Hamels tomorrow...

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:07 PM
Votto singles to RF to start the 7th. Quest for 9-runs is underway!

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:07 PM
Phillips grounds out to 1b on the first pitch he sees. That's not helping the quest.

Votto to second, one out.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:09 PM
Bruce triples to left-center. Probably should have been out at 3b, but throw was dropped at 3b. Weird risk to take.

Regardless, Reds are on the board.

8-1 Cards. Quest has taken its first steps.

mth123
07-05-2009, 04:09 PM
Bruce lucks out. Why risk it there?

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:10 PM
EE pops out to short CF. Why does EE hate the quest?

Two down, Bruce still on 3b.

Pitchers spot up, Nix pinch hits for Roenicke.

GAC
07-05-2009, 04:12 PM
I agree with Welsh's comments that this team is more then one player away from contention. So why sacrifice prospects for that one player, risk the future, who may be only a rental, and probably isn't going to get us over that hump.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:12 PM
Nix Ks.

Not liking the lack of support for the quest, Reds team.

Regardless, the first step is taken.

8-1 Cards after 7.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:15 PM
Carlos Fisher in to face the Cards in the 8th. The evil Hoffpauer to the dish for St. Louis.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:17 PM
Fisher walks Hoffpauer.

Does anyone know why the Reds relievers fear Hoffpauer so very, very much?

Kc61
07-05-2009, 04:18 PM
I agree with Welsh's comments that this team is more then one player away from contention. So why sacrifice prospects for that one player, risk the future, who may be only a rental, and probably isn't going to get us over that hump.

No rentals. But prospects fail and when they succeed it frequently takes a number of years. Team needs to be smart, but active.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:19 PM
Ryan flies out to CF.

one down, one on.

mth123
07-05-2009, 04:19 PM
No rentals. But prospects fail and when they succeed it frequently takes a number of years. Team needs to be smart, but active.

:thumbup:

Tony Cloninger
07-05-2009, 04:20 PM
Fisher has good stuff but his control is erratic ...which will lead to a trip back to AAA.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:20 PM
Fisher walks Schumacher. Rasmus up.

GAC
07-05-2009, 04:21 PM
No rentals. But prospects fail and when they succeed it frequently takes a number of years. Team needs to be smart, but active.

I agree; but what Welsh was alluding to was like when the Brewers went out and got C.C. last year knowing they weren't going to be able to retain him.

I don't think this Reds team is in that same position as far as overall talent level on this current roster.

mth123
07-05-2009, 04:22 PM
Fisher is a personal favorite but he's not looking so good. His MO is hard stuff with control and lots of grounders. We haven't seen this. He's been OK, but not going as planned for him. Sporadic use could be part of it, but he may need to go back down and get in a groove again.

mth123
07-05-2009, 04:23 PM
That was better. DP.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:23 PM
DP ends the inning. Nice comeback for Fisher.

8-1 middle of 8.

Quest for a nine-run comeback enters a critical inning. Fear not the quest, reds players!

BCubb2003
07-05-2009, 04:24 PM
If only Roenicke had pitched in Homer's game.

Tony Cloninger
07-05-2009, 04:26 PM
Hopefully Dusty learned that no Weathers vs Pujols is a good thing.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:27 PM
Hanigan walks to start the 8th. Attaboy, Ryan. Now THAT is how you embrace the quest.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:29 PM
Motte pitching for StL by the way.

Sutton flies out to RF.

One down, Dickerson up.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:30 PM
Only 24,000 at the game today. I wonder if people looked at the Arroyo/Carpenter match-up and decided to do something else today. Might have hurt their walk-up a bit anyway...

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:32 PM
Dickerson Ks. Why must the quest be so reviled?

Two down.

Willy T up. Willy T....WHAT is your quest?

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:34 PM
Willy T says MY quest is for a 9-run comeback!

Singles to LF.

Two on, two out, for Votto.

Joey, WHAT is your quest?

(Pitching change for StL...Reyes in to face Votto)

Two down, two on, bottom of the 8th.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:37 PM
Joey, hating on the quest, grounds out to 1b.

End of 8 innings, 8-1 Cardinals.

Tony Cloninger
07-05-2009, 04:39 PM
Quest for Fire was a decent movie.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:41 PM
Cards get a single to start the 9th.

Gallen5862
07-05-2009, 04:41 PM
Thanks for the PBP Membengal. This helped me catch up on how the game was going.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:42 PM
Quest for Fire was a decent movie.

Old school, there. That was the first R-rated movie I ever beheld, thanks to the magic of cable coming to my little east of Columbus burg in 1982. The next morning on the bus, there was much excited chatter about that particular movie, the 8:00 HBO Sunday night movie. For 7th graders, it was heady stuff.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:43 PM
Thanks for the PBP Membengal. This helped me catch up on how the game was going.

No problem. I am hoping this constitutes some sort of public service.

Force play 3rd to second gets runner for one out, runner on at first.

Ankiel up.

BCubb2003
07-05-2009, 04:43 PM
Galaxy Quest was a pretty good movie, too.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:44 PM
Ankiel walks.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:45 PM
Now Galaxy Quest, that was a fine film. One of the funniest you can run across, particularly if you have some working knowledge of the source material.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:45 PM
Wild pitch moves runners to second and third.

Fisher trying to pitch himself back to AAA.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:46 PM
Grounder to 2b for the out, runner scores.

That makes it 9-1, and the quest will now not be for nine runs total, but nine runs in the 9th. Quest!

Two down.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:48 PM
Uh oh, single by Thurston makes it 10-1.

That means the comeback quest has changed to quest for 10-run comeback. No biggie, the Reds like challenges.

BCubb2003
07-05-2009, 04:48 PM
Vision Quest was OK too if you like high school wrestling.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:49 PM
Technically, this game was over about the half second after Rasmus' ball settled into the RF stands back in the first.

The evil Hoffpauer doubles to LF, runners at second and third.

Fisher would be well advised to get a third out, because there ain't no one to come get him.

VR
07-05-2009, 04:49 PM
The wall is not where Chris Dickerson plays his best defense.

mth123
07-05-2009, 04:51 PM
Vision Quest was OK too if you like high school wrestling.

Johnny Quest has 'em all beat.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:51 PM
Grounder to the mound ends this version of the carosuel.

10-1 StL heading to bottom of the 9th.

Quest for a 10-run comeback is here. It's now or never, fellas. And, when it comes to pass? It will partially make up for the mother's day massacre. Make it so.

BCubb2003
07-05-2009, 04:52 PM
Grounder to the mound ends this version of the carosuel.

10-1 StL heading to bottom of the 9th.

Quest for a 10-run comeback is here. It's now or never, fellas. And, when it comes to pass? It will partially make up for the mother's day massacre. Make it so.

This quest seems to be a case of advancing in another direction.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:53 PM
Never give up on the quest. Never.

Tony Cloninger
07-05-2009, 04:53 PM
The Quest for Fisher to throw strikes so he does not get sent down has begun.

HBO in the early 80's was always your best source for movies that kids under 18 could not see elsewhere.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:54 PM
Phillips up, will he embrace the journey?

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:54 PM
The Quest for Fisher to throw strikes so he does not get sent down has begun.

HBO in the early 80's was always your best source for movies that kids under 18 could not see elsewhere.

It was a dream world.

Phillips Ks. He hates dreamers. And quests.

One down.

BCubb2003
07-05-2009, 04:55 PM
This quest is a marathon, not a sprint.

alloverjr
07-05-2009, 04:55 PM
This quest seems to be a case of advancing in another direction.

Which is what the Reds should be doing going forward. :p:

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:55 PM
Bruce flies to LF.

Two outs.

The quest is dimming.

It's dim.

Real dim.

Dim.

Two down.

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:56 PM
EE the quest's last hope. To quest.

alloverjr
07-05-2009, 04:56 PM
This quest is a marathon, not a sprint.

This one would seem more like an Ultra.

Tony Cloninger
07-05-2009, 04:56 PM
Vision Quest had that hot brunette and "Lunatic Fringe" playing as the workout music. You know....when Matthew got "serious"

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:57 PM
I would like the record to reflect that this thread went down to an honorable death, with faithful staying faithfully with a horrible game. Because that's what faithful do. Or something.

VR
07-05-2009, 04:57 PM
Phillips' at bat was http://www.pjvoice.com/v24/photos/stamp.jpg

membengal
07-05-2009, 04:58 PM
EE flies to LF.

The quest dies.

As do the Reds on this afternoon.

10-1 Cards win.

Hoping for better things tomorrow. Have a good one, folks.