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Red in Chicago
07-07-2009, 07:59 PM
here you go

Chip R
07-07-2009, 08:00 PM
Let's see if we can hold them under 20!

Matt700wlw
07-07-2009, 08:03 PM
Here we are again!

nate
07-07-2009, 08:05 PM
Chat is open!

SirFelixCat
07-07-2009, 08:06 PM
Tonight should tell us about the mettle of this team. Not nec. if they win or lose, but how they play tonight. I'm curious to see it.

GAC
07-07-2009, 08:07 PM
Cincinnati

W. Taveras cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .244
J. Hairston Jr. ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .258
J. Votto 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .361
B. Phillips 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .265
J. Gomes lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .329
R. Hernandez c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
J. Bruce rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .215
E. Encarnacion 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .133
A. Harang p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .125


Philadelphia

J. Rollins ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .224
S. Victorino cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .308
C. Utley 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .305
R. Howard 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .252
J. Werth rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263
G. Dobbs lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .271
P. Feliz 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .291
C. Ruiz c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .234
J.A. Happ p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .071

Tom Servo
07-07-2009, 08:09 PM
Taveras starts the game off with a hit. How often does THAT happen?

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:09 PM
Taveras reaches on an infield single

GAC
07-07-2009, 08:10 PM
WT singles leading to another George Grande comment on when Taveras hits the ball on the ground he has a chance to beat it out. :lol:

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:10 PM
Hairston pops out to 1st.

NC Reds
07-07-2009, 08:10 PM
Jerry Hairston, meet career norms.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:13 PM
Votto strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Gallen5862
07-07-2009, 08:14 PM
Lets score some runs Reds.

GAC
07-07-2009, 08:15 PM
He looked safe to me

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:15 PM
Taveras is caught stealing. 0-0 mid 1st.

NC Reds
07-07-2009, 08:15 PM
Looked like a bad call to me.

Tom Servo
07-07-2009, 08:15 PM
He looked safe to me
Agreed.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2009, 08:16 PM
Tavares' quest for 100 hits another bump in the road

Kc61
07-07-2009, 08:16 PM
Not that close he was safe.

Tom Servo
07-07-2009, 08:16 PM
Replay shows Taveras was indeed safe.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:17 PM
Replay confirms he was safe.

guttle11
07-07-2009, 08:17 PM
That wasn't even close. Utley's glove is more than a foot from Taveras when he hits the bag, and the ump is right there with a perfect angle.

GAC
07-07-2009, 08:17 PM
how can the ump miss that call? his foot was clearly in there. So what if the ball beat you to the bag?

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:19 PM
Rollins strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:19 PM
Victorino grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:22 PM
Utley singles to left.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:23 PM
Utley is caught stealing and it was the right call this time. 0-0 after 1.

Falls City Beer
07-07-2009, 08:24 PM
Be still my heart: a scoreless first.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:26 PM
Phillips strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:29 PM
Gomes strikes out looking. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:31 PM
Hernandez flies out to center. 0-0 mid 2nd.

VR
07-07-2009, 08:32 PM
Lefty
Reds haven't faced before
Rookie
Soft tosser

How can they struggle against the same 4 things through 10 years? :confused::)

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:34 PM
Here we go again. A long homer to center by Howard. 1-0 Phillies.

Tom Servo
07-07-2009, 08:34 PM
Ryan the Temp homers. 1-0 Phillies.

CTA513
07-07-2009, 08:35 PM
George sounded happy

guttle11
07-07-2009, 08:35 PM
Can't throw over the plate against the Phillies.

oneupper
07-07-2009, 08:36 PM
Hold 'em to 20, boys!

paintmered
07-07-2009, 08:37 PM
Maybe if I poke my head in here, I can bring the Reds some luck. Here's hoping...

Tom Servo
07-07-2009, 08:37 PM
It's starting.

2-0 Phillies.

SirFelixCat
07-07-2009, 08:37 PM
:lol:

paintmered
07-07-2009, 08:37 PM
Maybe if I poke my head in here, I can bring the Reds some luck. Here's hoping...

Nope. Guess not.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:37 PM
Can the Reds just leave Philly. Werth homers to right center.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2009, 08:38 PM
:rant:

CTA513
07-07-2009, 08:38 PM
Time to knock someone over.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:39 PM
Dobbs flies out to center

VR
07-07-2009, 08:39 PM
For 10 innings....they have been digging in their heels and taking vicious rips. At what point do you start throwing a few high and tight?

CTA513
07-07-2009, 08:40 PM
For 10 innings....they have been digging in their heels and taking vicious rips. At what point do you start throwing a few high and tight?

As soon as Volquez gets back.

paintmered
07-07-2009, 08:40 PM
Time to knock someone over.

If there was ever a time, now's it. The Reds collective pitching staff must maintain dominance of the inside part of the plate.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2009, 08:41 PM
Time to knock someone over.

This team??

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:41 PM
Feliz singles to right.

Falls City Beer
07-07-2009, 08:41 PM
This team??

This pitcher? The guy's a bit of a kitty cat for my taste.

BCubb2003
07-07-2009, 08:42 PM
So what's the issue here? Is it not on Dick Pole's radar? Does anyone ask him about it? Does he have a different school of thought on this?

paintmered
07-07-2009, 08:43 PM
Let's not fall into a defeatist attitude. Criticize, but this "woe is us" attitude is going to kill off the board.

Harang just rung up his second K.

Edit: make it three.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:43 PM
Ruiz strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2009, 08:43 PM
Someone mentioned Volquez....he'd be one to do it. I think Bailey, in time, if he pans out is a guy who would do it

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:45 PM
Happ strikes out looking. 2-0 Phillies after 2.

Falls City Beer
07-07-2009, 08:47 PM
Let's not fall into a defeatist attitude. Criticize, but this "woe is us" attitude is going to kill off the board.

Harang just rung up his second K.

Edit: make it three.

The only other option we got is to laugh about it right now. If you're objective about this team the last 5 nights, you're still looking for a dose of cyanide.

With that in mind, Happ occasionally looks like Rik from The Young Ones.

Strikes Out Looking
07-07-2009, 08:48 PM
This team??

I don't think the manager has any agressiveness in him. Just my humble opinion--the players may think the world of Dusty but his aw shucks demeanor isn't one that has pitchers zinging balls inside.

Kc61
07-07-2009, 08:48 PM
Bruce on the road against a lefty. Guess what?

K.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:48 PM
Bruce strikes out swinging. 4 Ks by Happ.

paintmered
07-07-2009, 08:48 PM
The only other option we got is to laugh about it right now. If you're objective about this team the last 5 nights, you're still looking for a dose of cyanide.

With that in mind, Happ occasionally looks like Rik from The Young Ones.

Then I choose to laugh. There's still joy in this game. Sometimes you just have to choose to look for it.

VR
07-07-2009, 08:49 PM
Riddle me this....how do you get 1 strike thrown to you, and yet strike out?

Kc61
07-07-2009, 08:50 PM
EE, now 2-13 upon his triumphant return.

K

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:50 PM
Edwin strikes out swinging. 5 Ks.

paintmered
07-07-2009, 08:50 PM
Riddle me this....how do you get 1 strike thrown to you, and yet strike out?

Pressing. Big time.

Falls City Beer
07-07-2009, 08:51 PM
Then I choose to laugh. There's still joy in this game. Sometimes you just have to choose to look for it.

I agree.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2009, 08:51 PM
Riddle me this....how do you get 1 strike thrown to you, and yet strike out?

Edwin can do it seeing 0 strikes

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:51 PM
Harang singles to right.

Kc61
07-07-2009, 08:51 PM
Harang singles to right. Didn't he get the memo?

Homer Bailey
07-07-2009, 08:52 PM
The Reds need a 3B.

guttle11
07-07-2009, 08:52 PM
Our leadoff hitter just bunted with two outs and a slow runner on first.

Is this where I'm supposed to find humor?

Strikes Out Looking
07-07-2009, 08:52 PM
Harang singles to right. Didn't he get the memo?

dusty should go the genius one better and bat his pitcher fourth on a daily basis.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:53 PM
Taveras attempts a bunt and grounds back to Happ. 2-0 Phillies mid 3rd.

GAC
07-07-2009, 08:53 PM
I hope Baker didn't call for that WT bunt with friggin' 2 outs. I'm gonna have to put that one solely on idiot Taveras.

Strikes Out Looking
07-07-2009, 08:54 PM
The Reds need a 3B.

And a SS, and a CF, and a pitching coach, and a batting coach, and ... should I stop now? (Like the losing).

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:55 PM
Rollins singles to left.

VR
07-07-2009, 08:55 PM
Our leadoff hitter just bunted with two outs and a slow runner on first.

Is this where I'm supposed to find humor?

come onnnnnn

Falls City Beer
07-07-2009, 08:55 PM
I know what's going to happen this inning but I'm not telling. Guesses?

oneupper
07-07-2009, 08:55 PM
I hope Baker didn't call for that WT bunt with friggin' outs. I'm gonna have to put that one solely on idiot Taveras.

Do you think he has a better chance of getting on a different way?

What is Taveras' OBBP (on base with bunt percentage)?

NC Reds
07-07-2009, 08:56 PM
Last verse, same as the first verse.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:56 PM
Victorino reaches on a infield hit. Edwin made a diving effort but could just knock it down.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:57 PM
I know what's going to happen this inning but I'm not telling. Guesses?The Phillies will blow this game open freeing us up to do something better with our night than watch this mess.

guttle11
07-07-2009, 08:57 PM
This is all vaguely familiar.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 08:58 PM
Utley doubles down the right field line. 3-0 Phillies.

CTA513
07-07-2009, 08:58 PM
I know what's going to happen this inning but I'm not telling. Guesses?

The Phillies will score the Reds wont and everyone will complain.

nate
07-07-2009, 08:59 PM
I know what's going to happen this inning but I'm not telling. Guesses?

You make a post telling us how bad the Reds are?

:cool:

CTA513
07-07-2009, 08:59 PM
Our leadoff hitter just bunted with two outs and a slow runner on first.

Is this where I'm supposed to find humor?

He doesn't bunt nearly as well as people said he did.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2009, 08:59 PM
I know what's going to happen this inning but I'm not telling. Guesses?

You're going to finally go root for another team?

VR
07-07-2009, 09:00 PM
Looks like the windows to trade Harang and/or Arroyo for something of any value were slammed quite loudly.

VR
07-07-2009, 09:00 PM
52 pitches through 2 full innings for Harang so far.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:00 PM
Howard walks.

Kc61
07-07-2009, 09:02 PM
Bob C and Walt should be forced to sit in the front row and watch every inning of this mess. And video of last night too.

Ltlabner
07-07-2009, 09:02 PM
You're going to finally go root for another team?

I know which team it will be but I'm not telling. Any guesses?

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:03 PM
Werth strikes out swinging.

CTA513
07-07-2009, 09:03 PM
Werth chokes at the chance to get an easy RBI

Falls City Beer
07-07-2009, 09:03 PM
You're going to finally go root for another team?

And people say I'm the humorless one...:)

guttle11
07-07-2009, 09:03 PM
I know what's going to happen this inning but I'm not telling. Guesses?

Ricky Schroeder will finally land another sitcom?

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:04 PM
Dobbs pops out to 2nd.

CTA513
07-07-2009, 09:04 PM
Phillies choke with the bases loaded and 0 outs.


3-0 Phillies after 3 innings

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:05 PM
Feliz grounds out to Harang. Good job by Harang to leave the bases loaded. 3-0 Phillies after 3.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2009, 09:05 PM
Nice comeback!

VR
07-07-2009, 09:06 PM
Whatever Pole said, it worked.

oneupper
07-07-2009, 09:07 PM
Whatever Pole said, it worked.

Put it in a song. :)

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:07 PM
Bloop single to left by Hairston.

edabbs44
07-07-2009, 09:08 PM
Whatever Pole said, it worked.

"Can you friggin believe my parents named me Richard?"

_Sir_Charles_
07-07-2009, 09:08 PM
Bob C and Walt should be forced to sit in the front row and watch every inning of this mess. And video of last night too.

Our pitchers had a bad night. The Phillies hitters had a good night. Simple as that. Does anybody really think our pitchers are that bad? As in 20+ runs bad? No.

And as for this game, Aaron's allowed 3 runs. Why all the doom and gloom? The lack of offense? Until Bruce breaks out of his slump, this team will struggle to score runs. Same for Edwin. It's still a young lineup, they WILL get better.

And for all the Taveras hate, he is 8 for his last 19.

VR
07-07-2009, 09:10 PM
In the last 72 innings...the Reds have scored more than 1 run twice. (2 runs)

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:10 PM
Votto flies out to left. 1 out.

VR
07-07-2009, 09:11 PM
"Can you friggin believe my parents named me Richard?"

I'm guessing it had "cheesesteak" in it.

_Sir_Charles_
07-07-2009, 09:12 PM
Phillips! :jump:

3-2 Phils

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:12 PM
Phillips homers to right! 3-2 Phillies.

guttle11
07-07-2009, 09:12 PM
Wait, it that even legal? If it is, then YAY!

VR
07-07-2009, 09:13 PM
Boy that make me happy to see him go to right. Nicley done.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2009, 09:13 PM
:phillips:

:jump:

VR
07-07-2009, 09:13 PM
This ump really has an odd strikezone. Everything up and away from righties is a strike, down and in the strikezone to lefties is a ball.

traderumor
07-07-2009, 09:14 PM
Man, I thought GABP allowed cheapies, that was probably an out even at our place.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:14 PM
Gomes grounds out to 3rd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:15 PM
Hernandez lines out to 3rd. 3-2 Phillies mid 4th.

VR
07-07-2009, 09:16 PM
Harang needs a shut down inning here.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:18 PM
Ruiz triples off the wall in center.

mth123
07-07-2009, 09:19 PM
Willy Taveras can not play CF. That is all.

CTA513
07-07-2009, 09:19 PM
Taveras had no shot because he was playing shallow and then had it bounce off the wall and past him.

Tom Servo
07-07-2009, 09:19 PM
Tremendous defense by Taveras.

VR
07-07-2009, 09:19 PM
A .228 hitting catcher shouldn't be doing that against Harang.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:21 PM
Happ strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:21 PM
Rollins grounds out to 2nd. Ruiz stays at 3rd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:23 PM
Victorino grounds out to short. Harang gets out of another jam. 3-2 Phillies after 4.

VR
07-07-2009, 09:23 PM
Nice scoop by Votto, good recovery by Harang.

11larkin11
07-07-2009, 09:23 PM
Everyone go to www.Philliesszone.com

They are going absolutely crazy about how their team must be the worst in baseball at getting runners in from third with nobody or one out.

Ltlabner
07-07-2009, 09:24 PM
Willy Taveras can not play CF. That is all.

I know people get tired of the WT comments, but for a guy who was touted to bring speed and defense, I haven't seen any speed or much defense from the guy.

CTA513
07-07-2009, 09:24 PM
Everyone go to www.Philszone.com

They are going absolutely crazy about how their team must be the worst in baseball at getting runners in from third with nobody or one out.

That was after they scored 0 runs with the bases loaded and no outs last inning.

REDSEER
07-07-2009, 09:26 PM
The problem with Willy on that play is that as soon as he realizes that he can't catch that ball, he has to break down and wait for the bounce off the wall. I honestly think that he has so much speed that he thinks he can get to anything, leading to bad angles and misplayed balls.

On the other hand, great job by Bruce to be there for backup.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:27 PM
Bruce strikes out swinging. 6 Ks for Happ.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:29 PM
Edwin singles to left.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:32 PM
Harang sacrifices the runner to 2nd.
Taveras fouls out to the catcher. 3-2 Phillies mid 5th.

VR
07-07-2009, 09:36 PM
Jay has had 1 strike thrown to him tonight....and has 2 k's to show for it.

If this was Randy Johnson, I wouldn't be concerned.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:38 PM
Utley grounds out to 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:39 PM
Howard strikes out looking. 6 Ks for Harang.

BCubb2003
07-07-2009, 09:39 PM
I don't want to jinx it, but we're losing much better tonight.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:41 PM
Werth walks.

Raisor
07-07-2009, 09:42 PM
I don't want to jinx it, but we're losing much better tonight.

You're a glass half full kind of dude, right?

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:44 PM
Dobbs singles to right. 1st and 2nd.

REDSEER
07-07-2009, 09:45 PM
To me, it looks like Jay (especially tonight) is thinking too much at the plate. You don't get to the majors and OPS 1.000+ swinging at pitches like he has tonight. Sure, Happ is better than your middle of the road AAA starter, but Bruce is swinging at pitches WAY out of the zone tonight.

As a hitter, there is no time to think. It is nearly all reaction. It seems as though Jay is thinking that he's gonna get hammered with offspeed and gearing up for it, only to get the high fastball thrown by him, the same high fastball that looks like a hanging deuce coming out of Happ's hand.

Just relax, Jay. Let it come to you.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:45 PM
Feliz grounds out to 3rd. 3-2 Phillies after 5.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:47 PM
Hairston flies out to the warning track in left center. 1 out.

VR
07-07-2009, 09:49 PM
A centerfielder!

Didn't the Reds make a run for Victorino?

In other news....everyone knows JHJ is not a home run hitter, except him. And perhaps Dusty.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:49 PM
Votto grounds out to short. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:50 PM
Phillips homers again!! Tie game 3-3.

guttle11
07-07-2009, 09:50 PM
I don't want to jinx it, but we're losing much better tonight.

No we're losing badly again.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2009, 09:52 PM
Holy crapsticks!

:phillips:

:jump:

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:52 PM
Gomes grounds out to 2nd. 3-3 mid 6th.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:55 PM
Ruiz flies out to left. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 09:58 PM
Happ lines out to 2nd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:00 PM
Rollins strikes out looking. 7 Ks for Harang. 3-3 after 6.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:05 PM
Hernandez strikes out looking. That pitch was way inside.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:06 PM
Bruce flies out to left.

guttle11
07-07-2009, 10:07 PM
Reds tie game, everyone leaves.

Ah, the internet.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:07 PM
Edwin grounds out to 3rd. 3-3 mid 7th.

_Sir_Charles_
07-07-2009, 10:10 PM
Rhodes coming in for Harang.

Harang's final line

6 ip / 9 hits / 3 er / 2 bb / 7 k's / 2 dingers

And 1 for 1 with a sac at the plate. :O)

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:11 PM
Rhodes in to pitch.

Victorino flies out to right.

Big Klu
07-07-2009, 10:14 PM
Rhodes coming in for Harang.

Harang's final line

6 ip / 9 hits / 3 er / 2 bb / 7 k's / 2 dingers

And 1 for 1 with a sac at the plate. :O)

He didn't have his best stuff, but a solid effort.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:14 PM
Utley grounds a ball that goes off Phillips glove into center. Utley keeps running and ends up on 2nd.

guttle11
07-07-2009, 10:14 PM
Inexcusable effort from Phillips. He's too good to just quit on a play.

Big Klu
07-07-2009, 10:15 PM
Utley grounds a ball that goes off Phillips glove into center. Utley keeps running and ends up on 2nd.

How can that be a hit?! That's an E-4 all the way. Unbelievable scoring decision.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:16 PM
Howard grounds out to short into the shift. 2 outs. Runner on 3rd.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:18 PM
Werth intentionally walked.

Bruntlett hitting for Dobbs.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:19 PM
Werth steals 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:21 PM
Bruntlett strikes out swinging. 3-3 after 7.

Phillies have left 9 runners on tonight.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:25 PM
Madson in to pitch.

Dickerson pinch hitting strikes out looking.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:26 PM
Taveras attempts a bunt and Utley makes a good play on the out.

jojo
07-07-2009, 10:26 PM
Taveras was out and it wasn't even that close. Utley is that good.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:28 PM
Hairston strikes out swinging. 3-3 mid 8th.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:31 PM
Feliz grounds to short. Hairston made a nice play to get to the ball but then throws off balance and wild. Feliz goes to 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:33 PM
Ruiz sacrifices the runner to 3rd. Stairs is pinch hitting.

reds44
07-07-2009, 10:34 PM
We need a strikeout with David Weathers on the mound.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:35 PM
Stairs walks on 4 pitches.

oneupper
07-07-2009, 10:35 PM
We need a strikeout with David Weathers on the mound.

A pop up will do. /fingers crossed.

reds44
07-07-2009, 10:35 PM
We need a double play with Rollins batting..

SirFelixCat
07-07-2009, 10:36 PM
Nice throw/tag by Votto/Razor. Saved the game there.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:36 PM
Rollins grounds to Votto. The runner breaks for home and Votto throws him out at the plate. 2 outs.

guttle11
07-07-2009, 10:37 PM
Oh boy, he was safe, IMO.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:37 PM
The Reds caught a break the runner was safe.

Hoosier Red
07-07-2009, 10:37 PM
Ramon's lucky there, he did a terrible job of receiving the throw.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:38 PM
Victorino grounds into a 4-6 FC. Phillies have now left 11 runners on base. 3-3 after 8.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:40 PM
Lidge in to pitch. Mayberry in to play left and Bruntlett in at 3rd.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:42 PM
That check swing call was ridiculous. This is a horrible umpiring crew.

membengal
07-07-2009, 10:42 PM
These umps really have had a crappy night.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:43 PM
Votto lines a double to the right field corner.

reds44
07-07-2009, 10:43 PM
Get him home.

Hoosier Red
07-07-2009, 10:44 PM
man, I was about to make a joke about Phillips bunting. But Hey I'll take it.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:44 PM
Phillips sacrifices the runner to 3rd. The ball was going foul but Howard fielded it and tagged Phillips. 1 out.

guttle11
07-07-2009, 10:45 PM
Phillieszone must be imploding. Unclutch hitting, bad defense, might lose to the lowly Reds. The horror, the horror.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:45 PM
Nix hitting for Gomes is intentionally walked.

SirFelixCat
07-07-2009, 10:47 PM
Well I'll be!

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:47 PM
Hernandez singles to center. 4-3 Reds!!

SirFelixCat
07-07-2009, 10:47 PM
Razor lines a single right up the middle. votto scores!

NC Reds
07-07-2009, 10:47 PM
Ramon comes through.

nate
07-07-2009, 10:48 PM
Holy smokes, a lead!

11larkin11
07-07-2009, 10:49 PM
Ramon is great with RISP. That is why I have no problem with him continuing to be the everyday starting catcher. Its a good problem to have, folks.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:51 PM
Bruce grounds into a 4-3 DP. 4-3 Reds mid 9th.

Hoosier Red
07-07-2009, 10:52 PM
Okay CoCo you'll earn this one. Utley, Howard, Werth. No problem.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:52 PM
Cordero coming in to face:

Utley, Howard and Werth

SirFelixCat
07-07-2009, 10:54 PM
Bruce has got to find his swing.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:55 PM
Utley flies out to right on the first pitch.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:57 PM
Howard walks.

Tom Servo
07-07-2009, 10:57 PM
Bruce has got to find his swing.
It's always where you least expect it.

reds44
07-07-2009, 10:58 PM
Cordeo is using all of the park...

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:58 PM
Werth flies out to the edge of the warning track in right. 2 outs.

Tom Servo
07-07-2009, 10:59 PM
VICTORY

paintmered
07-07-2009, 10:59 PM
Reds win!

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 10:59 PM
Bruntlett grounds out to first. Reds win 4-3!!! :beerme:

reds44
07-07-2009, 10:59 PM
Well, somehow we are back to .500...

Red in Chicago
07-07-2009, 10:59 PM
The Reds won:laugh:

KoryMac5
07-07-2009, 11:00 PM
This team is like a rubber ball they keep bouncing back.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2009, 11:00 PM
That is a big comeback win. After 2 straight blowouts the first 3 innings were bad and looked like another blowout was coming. Then Harang gets out of bases loaded with no outs and a runner on 3rd with no outs. Then with the 2 Phillips homers and the clutch Hernandez hit and the Reds get a nice win.

Gallen5862
07-07-2009, 11:00 PM
"And This One Belongs To The Reds."

nate
07-07-2009, 11:01 PM
Nice win tonight!

BCubb2003
07-07-2009, 11:01 PM
Well, somehow we are back to .500...

In the last two games, the run differential is -20, but the Reds are .500.

traderumor
07-07-2009, 11:01 PM
What a great win. What a courageous performance by Harang in the early innings to keep the game from getting away. :beerme:

SirFelixCat
07-07-2009, 11:02 PM
Well, somehow we are back to .500...

This is so mind-numbingly surreal, too.

oneupper
07-07-2009, 11:02 PM
Definitely NOT boring.

HeatherC1212
07-07-2009, 11:03 PM
This team just does not give up! Wow, I'm impressed. Nice job guys!! :D

BuckeyeRedleg
07-07-2009, 11:05 PM
Enormous win. Well done!

BCubb2003
07-07-2009, 11:12 PM
Of course, we can't expect any momentum from this win, because there's no such thing as momentum with this team.

REDREAD
07-07-2009, 11:17 PM
thanks for all the play by play guys. :)

hebroncougar
07-07-2009, 11:22 PM
Great job........amazing who this team gets beat down, but seems to find a way.

PuffyPig
07-07-2009, 11:23 PM
Looks like the windows to trade Harang and/or Arroyo for something of any value were slammed quite loudly.


Post of the night......

I would think that Harang stuck his foot in that door as it was closing.

Why would a team going for the playoffs want a horse to lead them? Harang showed what a staff leader needs to do to keep his team in the game. Gutsy performance, and the Reds rewarded him by winning tonight.

traderumor
07-07-2009, 11:39 PM
Of course, we can't expect any momentum from this win, because there's no such thing as momentum with this team.Fortunately going both directions. They have won the game following the two worst beatdowns this year.

VR
07-07-2009, 11:56 PM
Ugliest loss of the year last night, perhaps the best win of the year tonight.
Down 3-0 with no outs and the bases loaded in the 3rd....I don't think I was the only Redszoner thinking it was over. Very nice.

Caveat Emperor
07-08-2009, 12:46 AM
In the last two games, the run differential is -20, but the Reds are .500.

Pythagoras Shrugged.

Ron Madden
07-08-2009, 04:57 AM
Feliz grounds to short. Hairston made a nice play to get to the ball but then throws off balance and wild. Feliz goes to 2nd.


Seems to me if Edwin had made that bad throw instead of Hairston Marty would still be *****ing about it, and there would be 23 post here in the game thread echoing Martys wrath. ;)

Ron Madden
07-08-2009, 05:07 AM
Ugliest loss of the year last night, perhaps the best win of the year tonight.
Down 3-0 with no outs and the bases loaded in the 3rd....I don't think I was the only Redszoner thinking it was over. Very nice.

You weren't alone VR. Very nice and very important comeback for the Reds.

:thumbup:

GAC
07-08-2009, 06:50 AM
So.... are we the best .500 team in baseball? ;)

A solid effort by Aaron after giving up those back-to-back homers. BP with a two Hr night. Way to comeback boys after a very embarrassing loss the night before.

Now go out there and win the rubber game against last year's WS winners.

I've watch practically every game this year, and it amazes me that this team is .500. Other then Votto, and probably Phillips, there is no real offensive threat on this team. That player(s) that can carry a team.

We can complain and point out players like a Taveras, Hairston, and even EE; but the one player who has really disappointed me this year - and yes, I know he's still very young - is Bruce. Has he even had any type of a "hot spell" at all this year?

With Baker doing the lefty-right platoon thing with certain players, I don't understand why he hasn't done it with Bruce, who couldn't hit LH'd pitching if it was on a tee. I don't know if Jay just needs a few days off - which he'll get over the AS break - or what; but he can't be allowed to continue to struggle the way he has. Can he? Or do they just leave him alone and choke up the '09 season as part of the learning/maturation curve?

lollipopcurve
07-08-2009, 08:23 AM
Tremendous win in a tough situation. Gotta give props to Harang and Phillips, two guys who are sometimes underappreciated on this board, in my opinion. The team needs these two more than is acknowledged.

On the down side, Hairston is not a major league SS -- his arm is about a pasture short. He's a utility player -- he needs to be used that way.

Looking forward to Bailey tonight.

cumberlandreds
07-08-2009, 09:16 AM
If this team has anything its resilency (sp?). A nice win when it would have been easy to quit. As others have said this is a .500 team. The final total of wins will probably fall into the 78 to 83 range.
I'll be looking forward to Bailey tonight to see if he can follow up with another good effort.

HokieRed
07-08-2009, 10:55 AM
Harang showed why a team that's going to stay in contention absolutely needs an experienced anchor. This is why others want him and why we--if we really think we have a chance--must keep him.

jojo
07-08-2009, 11:28 AM
Harang showed why a team that's going to stay in contention absolutely needs an experienced anchor. This is why others want him and why we--if we really think we have a chance--must keep him.

Harang could have just as easily given up six runs if the game was replayed and he pitched exactly the same as he did last night.

Basically Harang threw strikes and things worked out. That's a good thing but it's not entirely a controllable thing......

traderumor
07-08-2009, 01:45 PM
Harang could have just as easily given up six runs if the game was replayed and he pitched exactly the same as he did last night.

Basically Harang threw strikes and things worked out. That's a good thing but it's not entirely a controllable thing......Yea, that is all there is to pitching in the major leagues "throw strikes and sometimes things work out and sometimes they don't." Quite a minimalist way of looking at the game.

HokieRed
07-08-2009, 01:57 PM
Experience may come down largely to what you've suggested, Jojo: throw strikes, let what happens happens, and block out all counterfactuals from your mind.

nate
07-08-2009, 02:10 PM
Yea, that is all there is to pitching in the major leagues "throw strikes and sometimes things work out and sometimes they don't." Quite a minimalist way of looking at the game.

I read his post 10 times and nowhere did I see him say "all there is to pitching in the big leagues is throwing strikes and sometimes things work out." Quite honestly, I took his post to say that although the result was good, there's more to pitching than throwing strikes and hoping they hit the ball at someone.

Falls City Beer
07-08-2009, 02:12 PM
I'm no huge Harang booster, and I see what jojo's saying to a certain extent, but honestly, I think Harang did a great job of controlling the variables last night--he K'd a decent number, and he didn't walk the universe, but was willing to pitch out of the zone when it benefitted him.

Obviously, the most important thing a pitcher can do above all else is throw strikes, which is what Harang did last night.

WVRedsFan
07-08-2009, 03:01 PM
I think this is a correct observation. Harang will always have people hitting the ball in the air and in a place like Philadelphia's stadium, some of them will get out. Take away those two long balls and you have a shutout. I also thought Aaron was getting squeezed a little last night, but I always think that.

jojo
07-08-2009, 03:52 PM
Yea, that is all there is to pitching in the major leagues "throw strikes and sometimes things work out and sometimes they don't." Quite a minimalist way of looking at the game.

Stranding runners isn't a repeatable skill for a pitcher. There were 11 base runners allowed while Harang was on the mound. Only 3 of them scored.

There is nothing minimalist with challenging the assertion that Harang did something repeatable by pitching out of a jam for a good portion of the night. A grounder a few feet to the left or right at the wrong time and who knows what crooked number could get put up?

My comment acknowledges the traffic on the base paths. He was hittable but it didn't lead to runs.

TheNext44
07-08-2009, 04:13 PM
Stranding runners isn't a repeatable skill for a pitcher. There were 11 base runners allowed while Harang was on the mound. Only 3 of them scored.

There is nothing minimalist with challenging the assertion that Harang did something repeatable by pitching out of a jam for a good portion of the night. A grounder a few feet to the left or right at the wrong time and who knows what crooked number could get put up?

My comment acknowledges the traffic on the base paths. He was hittable but it didn't lead to runs.

I completely agree that pitchers usually perform the same with MOB as with them empty. And this is true for Harang generally as well.

However, Harang excels in pressure situations.

In all situations, batters post this line against Harang:

.270 .321 .446 .767

Very average.

With MOB, this line:

.261 .318 .423 .742

About the same.

But with a runner on third, this line:

.222 .292 .347 .639

With runners on first and third, this line:

.233 .256 .340 .596

With runners on second and third, this line:

.203 .313 .246 .560

With the bases loaded, this line:

.163 .170 .291 .461

These are all career numbers.

It looks to me like the tougher the situation, the better Harang pitches. This is not true for most pitchers. Most pitchers have very similar lines regardless of the situation, even TOR ones.

It appears that pitching well in tough situations is a repeatable action for Harang. Watching him for these past years suggests that, and it appears that the stats back that up as well.

Falls City Beer
07-08-2009, 04:15 PM
Stranding runners isn't a repeatable skill for a pitcher. There were 11 base runners allowed while Harang was on the mound. Only 3 of them scored.

There is nothing minimalist with challenging the assertion that Harang did something repeatable by pitching out of a jam for a good portion of the night. A grounder a few feet to the left or right at the wrong time and who knows what crooked number could get put up?

My comment acknowledges the traffic on the base paths. He was hittable but it didn't lead to runs.

Maybe the Phils were hit-lucky last night? :)

traderumor
07-08-2009, 04:30 PM
Stranding runners isn't a repeatable skill for a pitcher. There were 11 base runners allowed while Harang was on the mound. Only 3 of them scored.

There is nothing minimalist with challenging the assertion that Harang did something repeatable by pitching out of a jam for a good portion of the night. A grounder a few feet to the left or right at the wrong time and who knows what crooked number could get put up?

My comment acknowledges the traffic on the base paths. He was hittable but it didn't lead to runs.This worldview of baseball is indeed minimalist. It assigns most of what happens in any given game to randomness, whereby the pitcher chucks and ducks and the hitters hit and hope. What you said in your prior post really says nothing because one could look at all but a few major league pitchers and say that about most games--a few inches this way or that way on a hit ball. It seems like so much if/dog/rabbit analysis.

jojo
07-08-2009, 04:39 PM
This worldview of baseball is indeed minimalist. It assigns most of what happens in any given game to randomness, whereby the pitcher chucks and ducks and the hitters hit and hope. What you said in your prior post really says nothing because one could look at all but a few major league pitchers and say that about most games--a few inches this way or that way on a hit ball. It seems like so much if/dog/rabbit analysis.

It may seem that way to some but show me a successful starting pitcher with a WHIP of 1.83....

What I said in my prior post speaks volumes.

HokieRed
07-08-2009, 06:03 PM
Harang could have just as easily given up six runs if the game was replayed and he pitched exactly the same as he did last night.

Basically Harang threw strikes and things worked out. That's a good thing but it's not entirely a controllable thing......

These statements do speak volumes [though I don't know what's wrong with minimalism as an approach generally.]

1. Statement one, however, is strictly meaningless. Not a criticism, just a philosophical judgment. The game cannot be replayed. There is no pure repetition anywhere. All we know is what happened.

2. Statement two defines good pitching. Pitchers throw strikes and things either work out or do not. Pitchers can control some things. They cannot control everything. Probably learning to be a good pitcher is learning exactly this.

jojo
07-08-2009, 06:36 PM
All we know is what happened.

At issue isn't what happened but the proper interpretation. It isn't meaningless to suggest that since stranding runners isn't a repeatable skill, the fact that 8 were stranded while Harang was on the mound last night is likely more a result of randomness than a skill no matter how much more appetizing the latter narrative might be...

On April 15, 2008 at Chicago, Harang pitched 6 innings while giving up 8 hits, allowing 2 homers, walking two, and striking out 6 while throwing a similar number of strikes as last night. He gave up 5 earned runs.

Two nights. Very similar performance. But one start is labeled as a quality start and the other labeled a poor outing.

He was hittable last night and he got away with it...

lollipopcurve
07-08-2009, 08:46 PM
My comment acknowledges the traffic on the base paths.

It ignores the work he did in the 3rd with bases loaded and no outs -- the game was hanging in the balance. If you watched the game closely, you saw something beyond the random there.

I think minimalist was a nice choice of words by traderumor.