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TheBigLebowski
07-07-2009, 09:56 PM
Obviously only Dusty has complete knowledge of this rather complex and mystifying subject, but I thought we should have a thread dedicated to its study.

When you see a principle of Bakermetrics in action, you can post it here. Also, some of the generally more accepted principles can be knocked out right off the bat. For instance, one of my favorite BM's is:

"Centerfielder bats leadoff, dude."

Texasdave has also suggested that we round-table suggestions as to who will play Dusty in the movie.

So, SunDeckers, let's have it.

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2009, 10:00 PM
Hint: Members with low posting percentages should get this thread started.

Kingspoint
07-07-2009, 10:00 PM
The song heard in the clubhouse, "I've Got A Feeling" from the Beatles' 1970 album, Let It Be. Takes Baker back to his good ol' days.

Farney
07-07-2009, 10:02 PM
The closer must ONLY be used in save situations, even when he is fresh and the game is 16+ innings

texasdave
07-07-2009, 10:03 PM
A good way to get inserted into the lineup is to mention to Dusty that you got Hank Aaron's autograph when you were a kid.

texasdave
07-07-2009, 10:03 PM
Thou shalt split thy lefties.

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2009, 10:09 PM
Another fave...

"Shortstop hits second, dude."

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2009, 10:10 PM
"Shortstop pitches when the game is out of hand, dude."

texasdave
07-07-2009, 10:17 PM
Speed kills. (Unfortunately in the case of Willy Taveras, it kills rallies). :)

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2009, 10:23 PM
"Double-switches are better than single-switches, dude."

improbus
07-07-2009, 10:28 PM
How about by dating his daughter?

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2009, 10:29 PM
How about by dating his daughter?

State it as though it was a rule or principle, dude.

texasdave
07-07-2009, 10:29 PM
In-scoring position percentage trumps everything, dude.

improbus
07-07-2009, 10:31 PM
State it as though it was a rule or principle, dude.

Sorry, dude.

texasdave
07-07-2009, 10:32 PM
If you can play in Chicago you can play in Cincinnati, dude.

GIDP
07-07-2009, 10:36 PM
I took Bakermetrics from a reds blog that isnt around any more

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:XgitrRfxTwkJ:www.dunnanddunner.com/2008/06/bakermetrics-lineups.html+Bakermetrics&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Thats the cached version of the site. The guy used to have a couple Bakermetric ideas or something.

GIDP
07-07-2009, 10:37 PM
I dont think you could top his definition of it

Main Entry:
ba·ker·met·rics
Pronunciation:
ˈbā-kər-ˈme-triks
Function:
noun plural but singular in construction
Etymology:
Baker + -metrics (as in econometrics)
Date:
2008
: the statistical analysis of baseball data without statistics, often used by Dusty Baker

GIDP
07-07-2009, 10:39 PM
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:WrA77TGcoI4J:www.dunnanddunner.com/2008/06/bakermetrics-alert-dusty-is-worse-than.html+Bakermetrics&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

another bakermetric post from that site

texasdave
07-07-2009, 10:39 PM
Don't clog the bases, Dude!!!

GIDP
07-07-2009, 10:40 PM
one more that I found on yardbarker

http://www.yardbarker.com/MLB/articles/Bakermetrics_Walks_and_Aggressive_at_bats/307593

Kingspoint
07-07-2009, 10:41 PM
Free-Swingers are Starters, and bat at the top of the order.

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2009, 10:43 PM
Toothpicks help ya manage, dude.

Orodle
07-07-2009, 10:55 PM
Albert Pujols' kryptonite is David Weather's 87mph 2 seamer thigh level, dude

JohnCocktoasten
07-08-2009, 11:15 AM
Even if you have 4+ years of major league service AND a multi-year contract, you are still a work in progress, dude.

Fon Duc Tow
07-08-2009, 11:28 AM
"But Dusty, the younger player is outperforming the veteran!"

A veteran always trumps a younger player, dude. -DB

schmidty622
07-08-2009, 11:31 AM
This thread is all kinds of enlightening...


























Dude.

lidspinner
07-08-2009, 12:49 PM
"hey man, if you date my daughter i'll let you play CF and bat leadoff"

was that a low blow?

TheBigLebowski
07-08-2009, 11:16 PM
"Veterans are winners, dude."

TheBigLebowski
07-08-2009, 11:19 PM
No one has suggested any actors who could play Dusty in the movie "Bakermetrics."

I will suggest two:

James Earl Jones. I have no idea why but the idea of JEJ as Dusty just cracks me up.

The second one is actually impossible, but Sammy Davis Jr. as Dusty Baker alone would be worth the price of admission.

Kingspoint
07-09-2009, 12:25 AM
Weathers can get this guy out.

OesterPoster
07-09-2009, 12:28 AM
No one has suggested any actors who could play Dusty in the movie "Bakermetrics."

I will suggest two:

James Earl Jones. I have no idea why but the idea of JEJ as Dusty just cracks me up.

The second one is actually impossible, but Sammy Davis Jr. as Dusty Baker alone would be worth the price of admission.

I'd go with that rotund dude who always plays a cop. Was in Die Hard, Family Matters, Turner & Hooch, etc. Played Big Mike's brother on Chuck last season too.

Fon Duc Tow
07-09-2009, 01:53 AM
No one has suggested any actors who could play Dusty in the movie "Bakermetrics."

I will suggest two:

James Earl Jones. I have no idea why but the idea of JEJ as Dusty just cracks me up.

The second one is actually impossible, but Sammy Davis Jr. as Dusty Baker alone would be worth the price of admission.

Funny you mention him. When my wife first saw Dusty on TV, she said "Is that the "if you build it they will come" guy?"

Had to laugh.

tobttr
07-09-2009, 01:34 PM
Let's send down another position player so we can carry another pitcher.

Chris Sabowned
07-09-2009, 01:51 PM
But he played with Hank Aaron so he must know his stuff

I don't worry about on base percentage, I worry about in scoring position percentage


And some casting for the movie:
Forest Whittaker as Dusty Baker
Mehki Phifer as Corey Patterson
Jeff Goldblum as Paul Bako

CesarGeronimo
07-09-2009, 02:04 PM
There's no problem with putting your pitcher back out there after a long rain delay.

Starting pitchers, no matter how many millions you have invested in them in long-term contracts, can be used as relievers in between their starts.

Kendal22
07-09-2009, 10:24 PM
" I knew I should have put David Weathers in!"

JohnCocktoasten
07-10-2009, 09:20 PM
I don't worry about on base percentage, I worry about in scoring position percentage

He's never said that, has he?

CesarGeronimo
07-11-2009, 03:19 PM
He's never said that, has he?

He's referring to this quote from Dusty about Willy Taveras:

"His role is he's our center fielder and our leadoff man," Baker said. "The fact that he's so young, he's going to get better. A lot of people talk about his on-base percentage. I like to think in terms of him getting into scoring position." If you're curious, the "so young" Taveras turned 27 last month.

Source: Cincinnati Enquirer

TheBigLebowski
07-11-2009, 05:21 PM
"Takes two days for young players to clear their heads, dudes. Takes vets an evening."

BluegrassRedleg
07-11-2009, 10:35 PM
Berkman, Hall, Pujols, Theriot et al don't need brushed back, dude. That's for sissies like Bob Gibson.

DannyB
07-12-2009, 01:03 PM
With 2 outs and the pitcher on first the leadoff hitter shall always attempt a bunt.

Because he's really fast,Dude

CesarGeronimo
07-12-2009, 02:48 PM
Q: Why doesn't Dickerson play center since he's obviously the better defensive centerfielder?

DB: Willy Taveras is our centerfielder, dude.

ukwazoo
07-12-2009, 03:27 PM
Letting the starting pitcher go five innings so he can get the win is far more important than the team getting the win. No matter how bad the starter is pitching, dude.

Kendal22
07-29-2009, 01:18 PM
Randy Jackson as Dusty Baker, dude

texasdave
07-29-2009, 01:24 PM
Randy Jackson as Dusty Baker, dude

Most excellent choice, dude.

CincyFalcon
07-29-2009, 01:26 PM
One of my favorites from when he was with the Cubs...His man crush with Neifi Perez rivaled that of Patterson and Taveras

texasdave
07-29-2009, 02:58 PM
One of my favorite Dusty memories was when the Reds were playing up in Wrigley and Dusty messed up a double switch. LOL. He came flying at the umpire. I thought he was gonna swallow his lucky toothpick.

That is also sad in a way if one of your favorite memories since the turn of the century of the team you follow is of the opposition manager messing up a double switch.

I think I'll have another beer.

TheBigLebowski
07-29-2009, 04:54 PM
One of my favorite Dusty memories was when the Reds were playing up in Wrigley and Dusty messed up a double switch. LOL. He came flying at the umpire. I thought he was gonna swallow his lucky toothpick.

That is also sad in a way if one of your favorite memories since the turn of the century of the team you follow is of the opposition manager messing up a double switch.

I think I'll have another beer.

The double-switch is good baseball, dude.

TheBigLebowski
07-29-2009, 09:51 PM
Always play for one run when you're down by four, dude.

texasdave
07-29-2009, 09:54 PM
Always play for one run when you're down by four, dude.

cuz walk-off grand slams are way cool, dude.

BigPoppa
07-30-2009, 02:50 AM
Randy Jackson as Dusty Baker, dude

I like it, dawg.....er,....dude. Bigtime.

texasdave
07-30-2009, 09:19 PM
Good teams take it to the other team, dude.

TheBigLebowski
07-30-2009, 10:01 PM
Losing by 4 runs is waaaay better than losing by 7, dude.

TheBigLebowski
07-30-2009, 10:02 PM
"OBP" stands for "Overrated Baseball Percentage," dude.

texasdave
07-30-2009, 10:13 PM
ISPP is a registered trademark of Dusty Baker and the Better Baseball Through Bakermetrics Foundation.

ISPP = In Scoring Position Percentage.

ukwazoo
07-31-2009, 07:19 PM
ISPP is a registered trademark of Dusty Baker and the Better Baseball Through Bakermetrics Foundation.

ISPP = In Scoring Position Percentage.

lol

GIDP
07-31-2009, 07:26 PM
RBI guys have to bat 5th or lower.

texasdave
08-05-2009, 02:56 PM
Failure is not an option, dude, it's a standard. :)

Joeyjection19
08-05-2009, 03:54 PM
You never need to hit the ball out of the infield, dude.

Will Ferrell as Adam Dunn, dude.

malcontent
08-05-2009, 07:35 PM
On the relative importance of walks for a leadoff man:

"It's really noticeable when your leadoff man isn't hitting," Baker said. If he's not getting walks as non at-bats, the at-bats mount up quicker than anybody else on the team."

What a managerial dilemma! Your CF isn't hitting and he's not even drawing walks to hide the fact that he's not hitting.

podgejeff_
08-05-2009, 08:00 PM
Dude, the vets start because they've earned it, but the younger guys get chances to prove themselves in late-inning, high pressure situations.

podgejeff_
08-05-2009, 08:01 PM
You never look at the ump when arguing, dude. You look at the ground.

nemesis
08-05-2009, 08:12 PM
"It's really noticeable when your leadoff man isn't hitting," Baker said. If he's not getting walks as non at-bats, the at-bats mount up quicker than anybody else on the team."

I think I just had a stroke reading this...

Soooo you admit your leadoff guy can't hit OR draw a walk meaning he makes the most outs AND HE IS STILL THE GUY GETTING THE MOST AB'S?!!??

:bash: :runawaycr

Does anyone in the FO read this stuff??????

JKam
08-05-2009, 09:32 PM
What the hell, Baker has three right handed batters in a row in the middle of the lineup tonight. I thought it was sacrilidge to stack the same side batters together. He wouldn't even put Votto and Bruce back to back.

GIDP
08-05-2009, 09:32 PM
No thats only lefties.

texasdave
08-05-2009, 09:33 PM
Righties bat from the opposite aside of the plate than lefties, dude. So you run the rule in reverse. You split the lefties and stack the righties - bigtime.

malcontent
08-06-2009, 12:32 AM
Does anyone in the FO read this stuff??????

Incredible, isn't it?

Not an inkling of the value of walks as they relate to OBP.

But instead, simply as a batting average buffer for a hitter in a slump.

But that's to be expected from the genius who gave us this:

"Do you ever see the top 10 walking (rankings)? You see top 10 batting average. A lot of those top 10 do walk, but the name of the game is to hit.”

bellposter
08-06-2009, 12:51 PM
only bring the closer in in the ninth even if the yanks use rivera in tie games