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OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 04:08 PM
Louisville - 7:00 - LHP Adam Pettyjohn

Carolina plays a doubleheader with game one starting at 6:05.

Game one - LHP Travis Wood

Game two - LHP Camilo Vazquez

Sarasota - 7:05 - RHP Rafael Gonzalez

Dayton - 8:00 - RHP Curtis Partch

Billings - 9:05 - RHP Leonardo Astorga

The GCL Reds and DSL Reds have already played.

Benihana
07-09-2009, 04:11 PM
It's southpaw night in the upper minors. Hopefully that means Wood can make a smooth transition in replacing Pettyjohn in the Louisville rotation sometime in the near future.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 04:11 PM
The GCL Reds won 6-1.

Bowe: 0-for-3
Buchholz: 0-for-4
Morrison: 1-for-4 double
Hernandez: 0-for-2 two walks
Y. Rodriguez: 2-for-4 double, triple
Duran: 1-for-4 double
C. Rodriguez: 2-for-3 walk, 2 RBI
Cech: 1-for-2
H. Rodriguez: 2-for-3 walk

Villarreal: 5 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 K

Molina: 3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 2 K

Pizziconi: 1 IP, 0 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 1 K

Benihana
07-09-2009, 04:14 PM
Villareal belongs in Billings. Tyler Cline probably does too. Both should see time in the Dayton rotation next year.

Scrap Irony
07-09-2009, 04:22 PM
Nice to see Yorman exhibit some power. Hitting pretty well for a 16-year-old. (265/321/327/648)

mace
07-09-2009, 04:53 PM
It's southpaw night in the upper minors. Hopefully that means Wood can make a smooth transition in replacing Pettyjohn in the Louisville rotation sometime in the near future.

This is interesting. Last night, with Carolina off, the top four clubs started lefties (Jukich, Horst, Fairel and Justin Walker at Billings, who was the only one who didn't fare well).

mace
07-09-2009, 04:58 PM
Yorman also had two assists from the OF today, one at first and one at third. And an error.

mace
07-09-2009, 05:00 PM
Incidentally, Evan Hildenbrandt is listed on the Billings roster. Is that new? Might it mean he'll pitch?

Benihana
07-09-2009, 05:01 PM
This is interesting. Last night, with Carolina off, the top four clubs started lefties (Jukich, Horst, Fairel and Justin Walker at Billings, who was the only one who didn't fare well).

Of all the lefty starters in the system, IMO there are five to really keep an eye on:

Matt Maloney
Travis Wood
Jeremy Horst
Matt Fairel
Shea Snowden

You could make a case for Travis Webb. Everyone else seems to be roster fodder from what I can tell.

mace
07-09-2009, 05:23 PM
Of all the lefty starters in the system, IMO there are five to really keep an eye on:

Matt Maloney
Travis Wood
Jeremy Horst
Matt Fairel
Shea Snowden

You could make a case for Travis Webb. Everyone else seems to be roster fodder from what I can tell.

Prolly right. I would make a case for Webb. Jukich, not so much, although he seems to have pitched much better as a starter than reliever. I guess I'm not ready to write him off. And I don't know that they've declared Alexander Smit one way (starter or reliever) or the other, have they? I think he's still worth watching.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 05:33 PM
Baseball America updates on each NL teams top prospect:

Cincinnati Reds, 1B Yonder Alonso: After Alonso made a promising debut in his first full pro season, a broken right hamate bone last month will keep him out of the lineup until August at the earliest. When healthy, Alonso showed advanced pitch recognition, power and the ability to use the whole field at high Class A Sarasota and Double-A Carolina.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=5445#more-5445

Benihana
07-09-2009, 05:41 PM
Prolly right. I would make a case for Webb. Jukich, not so much, although he seems to have pitched much better as a starter than reliever. I guess I'm not ready to write him off. And I don't know that they've declared Alexander Smit one way (starter or reliever) or the other, have they? I think he's still worth watching.

I agree Smit is worth watching, more so than Webb. I just figured him for a reliever.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 06:12 PM
Carolina is in a rain delay.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 07:00 PM
The DSL Reds boxscore from last night's game is finally up. The DSL Reds won 5-2.

Junior Arias went 2-for-3 with a walk and 2 RBI.

Luis Machuca: 8.2 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 5 K

Porfio Martinez: 0.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 07:01 PM
Junior Arias got off to an awful start but he's been crushing the ball lately. He finally started to hit in the last week and a half of June and has carried it over into July. He's got a 1.153 OPS in 20+ plate appearances this month.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 07:05 PM
Stubbs leads off the game with a single.

Shawn_RedsFan
07-09-2009, 07:08 PM
Anything clarifying what doug said earlier today about 2 bats players being traded??

GOYA
07-09-2009, 07:10 PM
Heisey HR

2-0 Bats

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 07:14 PM
That's Heisey's 15th HR of the season (second with Louisville).

dougdirt
07-09-2009, 07:22 PM
Anything clarifying what doug said earlier today about 2 bats players being traded??

Thats not what I said. I said two Bats have been discussed in a potential trade. Big difference.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 07:25 PM
Valaika singled to begin the second inning but was erased on a Corky Miller doubleplay. Stubbs singled again, he's 2-for-2.

Orenda
07-09-2009, 07:26 PM
Thats not what I said. I said two Bats have been discussed in a potential trade. Big difference.

do you have any idea who is being discussed?

Shawn_RedsFan
07-09-2009, 07:26 PM
Thats not what I said. I said two Bats have been discussed in a potential trade. Big difference.

yea thats what i meant, my bad. Typed it wrong though

because obviously if they were traded we would already know lol

GOYA
07-09-2009, 07:27 PM
Stubbs caught stealing with a perfect throw,

Redmachine2003
07-09-2009, 07:38 PM
Thats not what I said. I said two Bats have been discussed in a potential trade. Big difference.Any more rumblings on this or has it faded like most trade talk does in baseball?

dougdirt
07-09-2009, 08:06 PM
Any more rumblings on this or has it faded like most trade talk does in baseball?

Haven't heard anything else about it, but I only first heard about it yesterday. Yes, I know the players involved but no, I am not posting them here.

Az. Reds Fan
07-09-2009, 08:10 PM
Haven't heard anything else about it, but I only first heard about it yesterday. Yes, I know the players involved but no, I am not posting them here.

Could these players bring anything of sustance back our way alone or do you think they may be packaged with some major league Reds.

GOYA
07-09-2009, 08:24 PM
Kip Wells is warming in the Bats pen.

Who was the old Reds guy? Kip Stone?

edit: oh yeah, Bats up 2-1 on a Mudhen HR and Pettyjohn finishes 5 innings


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Pettyjohn 5.0 3 1 1 3 3 1 5.12

CTA513
07-09-2009, 08:25 PM
Kip Wells is warming in the Bats pen.

Who was the old Reds guy? Kip Stone?

Ricky Stone?

GOYA
07-09-2009, 08:31 PM
Ricky Stone?

No, I seem to remember a pitcher named Kip on the Reds. Maybe early 80s?

It may just be brain cells getting short circuited.

edit : It was Kip Gross, wrong era though

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=grosski01

GOYA
07-09-2009, 08:33 PM
Valaika singles in Bankston

3-1 Bats

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 08:39 PM
Wood: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 08:45 PM
Wood: 3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K

dougdirt
07-09-2009, 08:48 PM
edit : It was Kip Gross, wrong era though


I got his autographs on a baseball when I was about 7 or 8. I was playing with that baseball by the time I was 10.

Benihana
07-09-2009, 08:53 PM
Wood: 3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K

What's a guy gotta do to get a promotion around here?

LUVSBASEBALL, maybe you or Todd Frazier can answer this?? :confused:

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 08:55 PM
Heisey is 2-for-4 with a HR and 2 RBI.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 09:02 PM
Wood: 4 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K

GOYA
07-09-2009, 09:07 PM
Kip turns in 2 good innings.

1 H
3 K

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 09:22 PM
Wood: 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 7 K

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 09:38 PM
Wood: 6 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 9 K, 81 pitches

He's struckout top prospect Logan Morrison three times.

No score after six innings.

Benihana
07-09-2009, 09:49 PM
nm

GOYA
07-09-2009, 09:49 PM
Going to the 10th in Toledo tied 3-3

2 runs charged to Baez

DTCromer
07-09-2009, 09:52 PM
Wood: 6 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 9 K, 81 pitches

He's struckout top prospect Logan Morrison three times.

No score after six innings.

I'm sorry, I'm usually all for making a prospect wait longer than people want at a certain level, but Travis Wood is making a mockery of AA baseball. There's absolutely no reason to keep him in Zebulon.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 09:52 PM
Wood: 7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 9 K, 87 pitches

No score after seven innings.

GOYA
07-09-2009, 10:05 PM
Kennard comes up with two big Ks in the bottom of the 10th. Still tied 3-3


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Kennard 2.1 3 0 0 2 5 0 3.16

Looks OK but he's the one that allowed the 2 runs on inherited runners.

Benihana
07-09-2009, 10:09 PM
I'm sorry, I'm usually all for making a prospect wait longer than people want at a certain level, but Travis Wood is making a mockery of AA baseball. There's absolutely no reason to keep him in Zebulon.

I'm starting to gain a suspicion that Wood may get moved soon. Either the powers that be don't like something about him, or they're leaving him down there to showcase his dominance to other teams and don't want to risk him losing some of his shine in AAA, or both.

Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense that he's down there. He has the pedigree (2nd round pick), he's put in his time (2nd year in AA), and he has more than proven himself (leading the league in ERA, WHIP, and K's.) What else could possibly be going on here? :dunno:

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2009, 10:19 PM
Dayton is winning 1-0 after 6 1/2.

Fellhauer is 3-for-4 with a double.

membengal
07-09-2009, 10:20 PM
He's still only 21, right? Or 22? So he sticks and finished dominating at AA this year, and then starts next year in AAA at age 23. Or makes the big league team out of spring training like Cueto did. Either way, he's on schedule. I am not reading anything nefarious in his still being at AA. There are as many quality bats to deal with at that level as there are at the AAA level which is replete with AAAA types.

GOYA
07-09-2009, 10:24 PM
Heisey 2 run double in the 12th scores Corky and McD

5-3 Bats

Heisey is 3 for 6 with a double and a HR

Mario-Rijo
07-09-2009, 10:34 PM
He's still only 21, right? Or 22? So he sticks and finished dominating at AA this year, and then starts next year in AAA at age 23. Or makes the big league team out of spring training like Cueto did. Either way, he's on schedule. I am not reading anything nefarious in his still being at AA. There are as many quality bats to deal with at that level as there are at the AAA level which is replete with AAAA types.

Until they make him then spend 2 years in AAA to prove some inane point. Certainly I understand the concept of making a guy become as complete as possible especially when you don't neccessarily need him at the big league level right away. But the Reds are just ridiculous with their sometimes snails pace with guys performing way above standards.

HokieRed
07-09-2009, 10:36 PM
He's still only 21, right? Or 22? So he sticks and finished dominating at AA this year, and then starts next year in AAA at age 23. Or makes the big league team out of spring training like Cueto did. Either way, he's on schedule. I am not reading anything nefarious in his still being at AA. There are as many quality bats to deal with at that level as there are at the AAA level which is replete with AAAA types.

Agree. I suspect the timetable is for him to spend all next year at AAA anyway. So if he goes up now, Aug. 1, or beginning next season, it really doesn't matter much.

GOYA
07-09-2009, 10:42 PM
Viola closes the door

Bats win 5-3

We need Maloney to pitch 7 or 8 tomorrow, the pen has been used a lot recently.

GOYA
07-09-2009, 10:44 PM
Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Stubbs CF 5 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 .280
McDonald RF 6 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 .305
Heisey LF 6 1 3 1 0 1 4 0 1 .354
Barker DH 6 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 .263
Rosales SS 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 3 1 .373
Sutton 3B 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 .244
Bankston 1B 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .239
Valaika 2B 5 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 2 .230
Miller C 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .160

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Pettyjohn 5.0 3 1 1 3 3 1 5.12
Wells, K (H, 1) 2.0 1 0 0 0 3 0 2.08
Baez (H, 3) 0.2 2 2 2 0 1 0 4.40
Kennard (BS, 1) 2.1 3 0 0 2 5 0 3.16
Burton (W, 1-0) 1.1 2 0 0 0 2 0 2.08
Viola (S, 7) 0.2 1 0 0 0 1 0 4.33

mace
07-09-2009, 11:08 PM
Nice night for the Class A pitchers. Dayton (Partch, Martinez, Gonzalez) and Sarasota (Gonzalez--not the same one--and Thurman) both win 1-0. Meanwhile, Carolina (Wood, Ondrusek, Watson) is still scoreless after 10.

Caveat Emperor
07-09-2009, 11:09 PM
Until they make him then spend 2 years in AAA to prove some inane point. Certainly I understand the concept of making a guy become as complete as possible especially when you don't neccessarily need him at the big league level right away. But the Reds are just ridiculous with their sometimes snails pace with guys performing way above standards.

Wood has also had difficulty staying healthy in the past, which may factor into their decision making.

Frankly, I like the pace they're taking with Wood. It's a refreshing change from the usual way the Reds do business with their pitchers.

mace
07-09-2009, 11:09 PM
I believe Mace Thurman, in particular, is quite good.

Scrap Irony
07-09-2009, 11:16 PM
Until they make him then spend 2 years in AAA to prove some inane point. Certainly I understand the concept of making a guy become as complete as possible especially when you don't neccessarily need him at the big league level right away. But the Reds are just ridiculous with their sometimes snails pace with guys performing way above standards.

Like how slowly they moved with Jay Bruce? With Johnny Cueto?

Please.

Allow him a year of domination much like he did in 2005. In '07, Wood struggled in A+, then played well there in 2008 to earn his promotion to AA. There, he struggled to the tune of a 7.09 era in 17 starts.

mace
07-09-2009, 11:24 PM
2-run HR for Frazier in the top of the 11th. 2-0 Carolina.

mace
07-09-2009, 11:26 PM
With two outs in the bottom of 11, Logan Morrison and the Jacksonville manager are ejected. Then a HR off Watson.

mace
07-09-2009, 11:33 PM
2-1 final. So all the clubs have won tonight, as did the GCL dudes today. But Billings won't. After going hitless through 6, the Mustangs are down 7-1 in the 8th. And of course we haven't heard from the DSL 10:30 a.m. game.

dougdirt
07-10-2009, 12:25 AM
Billings lost and game 2 of Carolina's double header was postponed. Good night on the farm though I would say.

Luvsbaseball
07-10-2009, 12:40 AM
What's a guy gotta do to get a promotion around here?

LUVSBASEBALL, maybe you or Todd Frazier can answer this?? :confused:

Mmmmmmmmm???? I wish i knew. and i would make him do it.....lol I guess AAA is going to have to move some players and MAYBE They'll get a shot.
Keeping my fingers crossed......:):)

Mario-Rijo
07-13-2009, 12:33 AM
Like how slowly they moved with Jay Bruce? With Johnny Cueto?

Please.

Allow him a year of domination much like he did in 2005. In '07, Wood struggled in A+, then played well there in 2008 to earn his promotion to AA. There, he struggled to the tune of a 7.09 era in 17 starts.

I notice you didn't toss Joey Votto in there, why not? I'll tell you why not he was forced to kick the door down, I'd toss Hanigan in there, Heisey, Frazier etc.

BTW I have no problem with how Wood has been handled thus far but when he spends part of this year and all of next year in AAA (even if he pitches great) when guys getting drafted this season will beat him to the bigs and handle themselves just fine is ridiculous. Go look around the minors, not too many teams handle prospects as slowly as the Reds do. Perhaps that is beneficial for our team as alot of those guys have been pretty much ready when called on but could they have helped sooner, in some cases I believe so.

Scrap Irony
07-13-2009, 12:47 AM
Votto played one full season at AAA. That's it. 136 games. In 2008, he played in 150+ games for the Reds.

And, yeah, I want all prospects to absolutely kick the door down for promotion to any other league. You saw what overaggressive promotion did for Homer Bailey, right? I think M2 said that prospects need to learn how to dominate a league, get that taste of I'm-better-than-you before going on to the next one. Let Wood dominate the league. Let Frazier dominate the league. They can be called up from AA just as easily as they can from AAA.

Mario-Rijo
07-13-2009, 12:58 AM
Votto played one full season at AAA. That's it. 136 games. In 2008, he played in 150+ games for the Reds.

And, yeah, I want all prospects to absolutely kick the door down for promotion to any other league. You saw what overaggressive promotion did for Homer Bailey, right? I think M2 said that prospects need to learn how to dominate a league, get that taste of I'm-better-than-you before going on to the next one. Let Wood dominate the league. Let Frazier dominate the league. They can be called up from AA just as easily as they can from AAA.

My point is no matter how long Votto stayed at AAA he was ready for the show long before he got there.

Scrap Irony
07-13-2009, 01:44 AM
And I disagree. Bruce was rushed. Votto wasn't. Give me wasn't every time.

dougdirt
07-13-2009, 01:50 AM
Votto played one full season at AAA. That's it. 136 games. In 2008, he played in 150+ games for the Reds.

And, yeah, I want all prospects to absolutely kick the door down for promotion to any other league. You saw what overaggressive promotion did for Homer Bailey, right? I think M2 said that prospects need to learn how to dominate a league, get that taste of I'm-better-than-you before going on to the next one. Let Wood dominate the league. Let Frazier dominate the league. They can be called up from AA just as easily as they can from AAA.

I would certainly argue that Travis Wood has certainly dominated AA for the last 2+ months. And even before that for the month and a half he wasn't 'dominating' he had an ERA under 1.50 in AA.

As for Bruce being rushed, I will disagree because the things he needed to learn simply couldn't be learned at the level he was at.

Mario-Rijo
07-13-2009, 01:58 AM
And I disagree. Bruce was rushed. Votto wasn't. Give me wasn't every time.

Bruce was slightly rushed sure, but he is one of only a few that has been. But as Doug alluded to he wasn't likely to learn a whole lot more in the minors. 98% of them are not only not rushed but forced to prove (beyond the shadow of a doubt) they are completely ready, silly really.

Scrap Irony
07-13-2009, 01:58 AM
Can Wood be brought up just as easily from AA as AAA? It does him little good to move up to Louisville and it does Cincinnati a lot of good to keep him in AA.

Scrap Irony
07-13-2009, 02:04 AM
Bruce was slightly rushed sure, but he is one of only a few that has been. But as Doug alluded to he wasn't likely to learn a whole lot more in the minors. 98% of them are not only not rushed but forced to prove (beyond the shadow of a doubt) they are completely ready, silly really.

Like who?

Neither Dickerson nor Hanigan did much as prospects before 2008, so you really can't use them as proof. EdE came up at 22. Hamilton and Cueto started out of AA. I guess you could argue the AAA relievers of Roenicke, Fisher, and Herrera, but really, you're only talking about a handful of games at most.

I honestly can't think of anyone that's been left in the minors to rot rather than come to Cincinnati.

camisadelgolf
07-13-2009, 02:13 AM
When it comes to prospects, I think it's best to go the better-safe-than-sorry route. I've heard of plenty of players being rushed to the big leagues and then never recovering, but how many players have ruined careers because they spent too much time in the minor leagues?