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dougdirt
07-10-2009, 02:51 PM
Just saw this over at Beyond The Box Score (http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7/10/944659/expanding-on-harrys-whiff-rate)

Here are the whiff rates on specific pitches thrown this year by MLB pitchers:

Worst Whiff Rates By Pitch Type, Min 75 Swings


Changeups Whiff Sliders Whiff Curve Balls Whiff
Joel Pineiro 10.3% Brian Bannister 9.1% C. Jakubauskas 9.5%
Brad Thompson 12.2% Lance Cormier 12.6% Brad Penny 10.9%
Bartolo Colon 12.5% Sean Marshall 12.8% Bronson Arroyo 14.8%
Brad Bergesen 14.0% Tomo Ohka 12.9% Randy Wolf 15.2%
Bronson Arroyo 14.0% Gil Meche 13.0% Barry Zito 15.6%

Best & Worst Fastball Whiff Rates, Min 150 Swings


Best Fastball Type Whiff Worst Fastball Type Whiff
Andrew Bailey F4 40.3% Joe Blanton F2 2.7%
Brian Tallet F2 36.7% Shane Loux F4 3.2%
Jon Lester FC 31.8% Bronson Arroyo FA 3.6%
James Parr FA 30.9% Craig Stammen F4 3.6%
Rafael Soriano F4 30.7% Carlos Silva F2 4.1%
Andrew Bailey FC 28.7% Joshua Geer FA 4.2%
Matt Thornton F4 27.7% Nick Blackburn F4 4.6%
Javier Vazquez F4 26.7% Jeff Karstens F4 5.1%
Octavio Dotel F4 26.7% Mark Buehrle FC 5.2%
Rob. Tejeda F4 25.9% Joshua Geer F4 5.3%
David Aardsma F4 25.8% Miguel Batista F4 5.5%

Three of Arroyo's pitches are among the most hittable pitches in baseball this year. No wonder he has struggled so much this year.

Brutus
07-10-2009, 03:03 PM
Just saw this over at Beyond The Box Score (http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7/10/944659/expanding-on-harrys-whiff-rate)

Here are the whiff rates on specific pitches thrown this year by MLB pitchers:

Worst Whiff Rates By Pitch Type, Min 75 Swings


Changeups Whiff Sliders Whiff Curve Balls Whiff
Joel Pineiro 10.3% Brian Bannister 9.1% C. Jakubauskas 9.5%
Brad Thompson 12.2% Lance Cormier 12.6% Brad Penny 10.9%
Bartolo Colon 12.5% Sean Marshall 12.8% Bronson Arroyo 14.8%
Brad Bergesen 14.0% Tomo Ohka 12.9% Randy Wolf 15.2%
Bronson Arroyo 14.0% Gil Meche 13.0% Barry Zito 15.6%

Best & Worst Fastball Whiff Rates, Min 150 Swings


Best Fastball Type Whiff Worst Fastball Type Whiff
Andrew Bailey F4 40.3% Joe Blanton F2 2.7%
Brian Tallet F2 36.7% Shane Loux F4 3.2%
Jon Lester FC 31.8% Bronson Arroyo FA 3.6%
James Parr FA 30.9% Craig Stammen F4 3.6%
Rafael Soriano F4 30.7% Carlos Silva F2 4.1%
Andrew Bailey FC 28.7% Joshua Geer FA 4.2%
Matt Thornton F4 27.7% Nick Blackburn F4 4.6%
Javier Vazquez F4 26.7% Jeff Karstens F4 5.1%
Octavio Dotel F4 26.7% Mark Buehrle FC 5.2%
Rob. Tejeda F4 25.9% Joshua Geer F4 5.3%
David Aardsma F4 25.8% Miguel Batista F4 5.5%

Three of Arroyo's pitches are among the most hittable pitches in baseball this year. No wonder he has struggled so much this year.

I'm interested in finding out what Joe Blanton has been doing. He's striking out over 8.5 batters per nine innings this year despite having the league's most hittable fastball. What is he throwing as his out pitch? lol

jojo
07-10-2009, 03:07 PM
Arroyo can't play the guitar either.....

edabbs44
07-10-2009, 03:08 PM
I'm sitting down the 3rd base line tonight. Wright might knock my teeth out.

dougdirt
07-10-2009, 03:10 PM
I'm interested in finding out what Joe Blanton has been doing. He's striking out over 8.5 batters per nine innings this year despite having the league's most hittable fastball. What is he throwing as his out pitch? lol

Looks like his slider has been pretty darn good this year.

CTA513
07-10-2009, 03:30 PM
His curve seems to be hanging up more than it used to and that sweeping curve he throws doesn't look like its getting as much right to left break.

RBA
07-10-2009, 11:11 PM
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WebScorpion
07-10-2009, 11:54 PM
Maybe we should post derogatory stats before every game he pitches. He just pitched a 4-hit complete game shutout on 115 pitches. He struck out 5 and walked none. :thumbup: It's games like this that make me think he could be a great pitcher if he'd study the hitters more, have a better catcher calling the game, party less, be more dedicated, etc. You know, like there's SOMETHING he's doing during these games that he could do for the other games to make the outcome more like tonight. It's probably just a difference in the Mets hitters vs. the Cardinals, but it doesn't stop me from thinking 'What if...?' I'm sure if it were that simple he'd have figured it out by now. I hope he can stay in the groove after the All-Star break.

LoganBuck
07-11-2009, 12:25 AM
Maybe we should post derogatory stats before every game he pitches. He just pitched a 4-hit complete game shutout on 115 pitches. He struck out 5 and walked none. :thumbup: It's games like this that make me think he could be a great pitcher if he'd study the hitters more, have a better catcher calling the game, party less, be more dedicated, etc. You know, like there's SOMETHING he's doing during these games that he could do for the other games to make the outcome more like tonight. It's probably just a difference in the Mets hitters vs. the Cardinals, but it doesn't stop me from thinking 'What if...?' I'm sure if it were that simple he'd have figured it out by now. I hope he can stay in the groove after the All-Star break.

The Louisville Bats ran out a tougher lineup than the Mets did tonight. I am glad Bronson did well the bullpen sure needed it. But I wouldn't get too excited.

westofyou
07-11-2009, 01:59 AM
The Louisville Bats ran out a tougher lineup than the Mets did tonight. I am glad Bronson did well the bullpen sure needed it. But I wouldn't get too excited.

Yeah, it's more Bud Harrelson than Daryl Strawberry. For Bronson, it's a nice change though.


Arroyo can't play the guitar either.....

Yep pimping his musical skills is demeaning to those who like music and minor league advertising at its finest, hence the partnership with a processed meat company.

Ron Madden
07-11-2009, 03:29 AM
Bronson Arroyo/David Weathers. Both are very hittable and dependent on luck.

Topcat
07-11-2009, 04:56 AM
Bronson Arroyo/David Weathers. Both are very hittable and dependent on luck.

And yet both have been serious productive guys over there career............... go figure ;)

Will M
07-11-2009, 08:53 AM
The Louisville Bats ran out a tougher lineup than the Mets did tonight. I am glad Bronson did well the bullpen sure needed it. But I wouldn't get too excited.

thats what i thought also. no reyes, beltran or delgado. the Mets lineup looked worse than ours & thats hard to do.

TheNext44
07-11-2009, 12:16 PM
Third time in the last 5 games that the Mets have been shutout, and they have scored 9 runs in their last 7 games. Averaging 2.2 runs a game the past two weeks.

I wouldn't declare Arroyo "fixed" yet.

redsfandan
07-11-2009, 12:30 PM
As has been mentioned vs that lineup I wouldn't get too carried away although it was an improvement for Arroyo and a much needed break for the bullpen. But only 5 k's in 9 innings vs that same unimpressive lineup isn't impressive.

TheNext44
07-11-2009, 12:53 PM
As has been mentioned vs that lineup I wouldn't get too carried away although it was an improvement for Arroyo and a much needed break for the bullpen. But only 5 k's in 9 innings vs that same unimpressive lineup isn't impressive.

And from watching the game, it did not appear that he was missing that many bats. Most of his strikes were called. I have not idea what the official counts was, but I doubt he had more than 10 swing and misses all game.

Still, like you said, it was an improvement a very welcome relief for the bullpen. Hard to pitch a shutout against any major league team.

Always Red
07-11-2009, 02:53 PM
Bronson Arroyo/David Weathers. Both are very hittable and dependent on luck.

Nah, both depend on location, change of speed and keeping hitters off balance.

It's what separates mediocre pitchers from the best, of course.

Especially for Arroyo, when he hits his spots, he is very good. When he doesn't, not so good. Not luck though- skill, IMO. Some nights he can hit those spots and some nights he does not.

Arroyo's "stuff" is not so good- which is why he is not often mediocre. When he is not locating, he gets slammed, and when he can throw the ball where he wants to, he gets people out. There is no in between for Arroyo.

If it's me, I shop Bronson around today, just to see what he is worth today compared to yesterday.

Brutus
07-11-2009, 02:57 PM
Third time in the last 5 games that the Mets have been shutout, and they have scored 9 runs in their last 7 games. Averaging 2.2 runs a game the past two weeks.

I wouldn't declare Arroyo "fixed" yet.

The Mets have like one extra base hit in the past 45 innings!