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Red in Chicago
07-12-2009, 12:43 PM
Per Fay:

Chris Dickerson 9
Willy Taveras 8
Joey Votto 3
Brandon Phillips 4
Laynce Nix 7
Ramon Hernandez 2
Edwin Encarnacion 5
Jerry Hairston 6
Aaron Harang 1

vs. RH Mike Pelfrey

Falls City Beer
07-12-2009, 02:20 PM
I smell extra innings today: similar starters, similar offenses, neither team with much depth.

Tom Servo
07-12-2009, 02:29 PM
1-0 Mets off a David Wright double.

dougdirt
07-12-2009, 02:29 PM
Seriously, Willy Taveras is a terrible outfielder.

CTA513
07-12-2009, 02:30 PM
The Reds need to play the best center fielder in center.

JaxRed
07-12-2009, 02:34 PM
That ball was butchered by Tavares

CTA513
07-12-2009, 02:46 PM
Still 1-0 Mets after 2 innings

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 02:52 PM
Gosh, this place is dead today.

5 pitches and 2 outs in the third. Ah, Willy T. flies out to short center. No wonder no one cares anymore. I may take a nap but not intentionally. The Reds' offense is the most boring one I've seen in nearly 50 years as a Reds fan.

Kc61
07-12-2009, 02:55 PM
Gosh, this place is dead today.

5 pitches and 2 outs in the third. Ah, Willy T. flies out to short center. No wonder no one cares anymore. I may take a nap but not intentionally. The Reds' offense is the most boring one I've seen in nearly 50 years as a Reds fan.

Speaking of dead, have you seen the Reds' offense lately?

They now haven't scored in about 16 innings.

And Willy is not a terrible outfielder. I was there on Friday night and he made an outstanding diving catch in the first inning. Even if his jumps aren't the best, he covers a great deal of ground.

If he could only hit. If most of them could only hit.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 02:56 PM
As Harang strikes out the first batter, I bid you adieu.

Not much goin on round here.

Matt700wlw
07-12-2009, 03:01 PM
Wow...heck of an effort by Dickerson

Tom Servo
07-12-2009, 03:03 PM
3-0 Mets.

Matt700wlw
07-12-2009, 03:03 PM
Here we go again

JaxRed
07-12-2009, 03:03 PM
Dickerson makes a great attempt on what should have been Tavares' ball.

CTA513
07-12-2009, 03:03 PM
Noodle arm allows Sheffield to go to second on the throw home.

flyer85
07-12-2009, 03:04 PM
Wow...heck of an effort by Dickerson

where was Willy ... that ball was hit to CF

JaxRed
07-12-2009, 03:04 PM
Mets announcers declare that Tavares made a terrible decision on that single.

Blitz Dorsey
07-12-2009, 03:05 PM
Taveras is an absolute joke in CF. He thinks he can throw anyone out with that weak arm? How about actually taking the correct angle on a ball over your head for a change too. That might help.

Everyone talks about Taveras' inability to hit -- and they are right. But the guy is completely overrated defensively. He makes boneheaded mistakes all the time.

CTA513
07-12-2009, 03:05 PM
where was Willy ... that ball was hit to CF

He was still trying to figure out if he should go back or come in.

JaxRed
07-12-2009, 03:05 PM
where was Willy ... that ball was hit to CF

He broke back, and then was pretending he could catch it to dupe the runners, while Dickerson attempted to actually catch it for him.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 03:06 PM
Just like last night. Nothing hit hard and mistakes made in the field. Boy does this team need an overhaul soon. Even the Mets scrubs made us look like bufoons. I still say the dive is overrated only because of ESPN's "Web Gems" crap.

Now 4-0. Game is probably over. How nice.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:06 PM
Yikes...sheffield hits a grounder up the middle (which looked like wide expanses), two runs score and Sheff takes second on Taveras flaccid throw home which BTW, had zero chance.

Blitz Dorsey
07-12-2009, 03:06 PM
And if Hernandez knew how to block a ball, Sheffield's hit would have been a 6-4-3.

Matt700wlw
07-12-2009, 03:06 PM
Looks likes the Reds are going to limp into the All-Star break moreso than they already were.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:07 PM
Right now I'm fuming that Sheffield is standing on third.

Blitz Dorsey
07-12-2009, 03:07 PM
Nice way to limp into the AS break boys. Sounds about right.

Blitz Dorsey
07-12-2009, 03:08 PM
I feel sorry for Dusty at times. I mean, high school outfielders don't take as bad of angles on balls over their head as Taveras does. There are certain things you should just be able to do as a MLB player.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:09 PM
Right now I'm fuming that Sheffield is standing on third.

It's hard to stay mad at the Reds....

Matt700wlw
07-12-2009, 03:10 PM
I feel sorry for Dusty at times. I mean, high school outfielders don't take as bad of angles on balls over their head as Taveras does. There are certain things you should just be able to do as a MLB player.

Dusty could quit sticking him out there.

So glad that Taveras has a 2 year deal.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:10 PM
So what do ya figure Pole and Harang are chatting about?

Blitz Dorsey
07-12-2009, 03:11 PM
Mets announcers declare that Tavares made a terrible decision on that single.

I declare they are 100 percent correct. Even a CF with a good arm couldn't have thrown out Wright on that single up the middle, yet "Free Willy" thinks he can? I think the Reds need to start handing out IQ tests before they sign anyone. (Not unlike the Wonderlic in the NFL.)

CTA513
07-12-2009, 03:11 PM
Time to take Harang out unless you just want to run his pitch count up.

Falls City Beer
07-12-2009, 03:12 PM
Team pretty obviously phoning it in.

CTA513
07-12-2009, 03:12 PM
Dusty could quit sticking him out there.

So glad that Taveras has a 2 year deal.

:thumbup:

If you want to keep playing him it shouldn't be in CF.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 03:12 PM
Taveras is an absolute joke in CF. He thinks he can throw anyone out with that weak arm? How about actually taking the correct angle on a ball over your head for a change too. That might help.

Everyone talks about Taveras' inability to hit -- and they are right. But the guy is completely overrated defensively. He makes boneheaded mistakes all the time.
Dickerson did the same thing last night. Defensively, this outfield on the field today is pretty flaccid. IF we had a shortstop, (and believe me, we don't) two of those grounders through the middle that went for hits might have been at least knocked down, but...we valued Gonzalez and Hairston, two marginal players, more than finding some good players, all the time giveing big money to a closer, a washed up outfielder, and offering arbitration to David
Weathers. Shameful.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:13 PM
Defense is funny. The Reds have the best defensive club that they've had in a long time and we spend a lot of time yucking at their defense.

NC Reds
07-12-2009, 03:13 PM
This team will be much more interesting after the September callups than it is now.

Falls City Beer
07-12-2009, 03:13 PM
Another problem--Harang's fastball is once again back at 88 MPH. I've never seen a FB fluctuate speeds so dramatically.

Blitz Dorsey
07-12-2009, 03:14 PM
Dusty could quit sticking him out there.

So glad that Taveras has a 2 year deal.

True.

Matt700wlw
07-12-2009, 03:14 PM
:thumbup:

If you want to keep playing him it shouldn't be in CF.

It'd be one thing if they didn't have a better option...Dickerson has proven that they do, but Dusty won't do it.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:14 PM
Harang is kind of missing his spots.

Blitz Dorsey
07-12-2009, 03:16 PM
Yeah, amid all the mistakes around him, Harang yet again looks mediocre today. He tries to nibble against scrub hitters and it gets him in trouble. Then he comes right at guys like Wright.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:16 PM
Harang is at 74 pitches through three.

Dude must wanna stay a Red... :cool:

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 03:16 PM
I've never been sure Harang was "ace" material. The game gets in his head. You could see it after that muffed catch in right. The look on his face said, "here we go again," on it.

I agree that they are just phoning it in at this point. I think the injuries have got to them. All of them.

reds44
07-12-2009, 03:17 PM
I'd do that Kemp for Harang deal 100 times out of 100.

Matt700wlw
07-12-2009, 03:17 PM
Yeah, amid all the mistakes around him, Harang yet again looks mediocre today. He tries to nibble against scrub hitters and it gets him in trouble. Then he comes right at guys like Wright.

I think he's trying to be too perfect, since he knows he'll get very little if any run support for the second year in a row. He's pressing instead of relaxing and pitching.

Blitz Dorsey
07-12-2009, 03:17 PM
Too bad the Dodgers wouldn't.

Falls City Beer
07-12-2009, 03:18 PM
I think he's trying to be too perfect, since he knows he'll get very little if any run support for the second year in a row.

Yeah, I doubt that's it.

I think it has more to do with the fact that he's the 00's version of Kevin Tapani.

Matt700wlw
07-12-2009, 03:18 PM
Wow...that was strike 3??

Matt700wlw
07-12-2009, 03:19 PM
The replay looked like a pretty good pitch, actually. Now Votto's day is over.

Matt700wlw
07-12-2009, 03:20 PM
Yeah, I doubt that's it.



I'm sure you do.

Blitz Dorsey
07-12-2009, 03:20 PM
I cannot wait until the day when balls/strikes are automatic (called by a computer of some sorts that is actually accurate). MLB umps are a joke (and that was actually a good call on Votto... but I'm just saying).

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 03:21 PM
I'd do that Kemp for Harang deal 100 times out of 100.

So would I, but then you'd have a hole in your rotation and Dusty would still play Taveras somewhere.

The only answer is better players and you have to spend money for that and it's apparent that this franchise will spend more money on less than any in baseball.

Now Votto tossed. Game over.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:21 PM
Yeah, I doubt that's it.

I think it has more to do with the fact that he's the 00's version of Kevin Tapani.

Ya except that Harang strikeouts out almost 2 more per 9.

Blitz Dorsey
07-12-2009, 03:22 PM
Seriously Joey? You choose THAT pitch to get thrown out? It wasn't even borderline IMO. There are so many more egregious calls that I see every game.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 03:22 PM
I think he's trying to be too perfect, since he knows he'll get very little if any run support for the second year in a row. He's pressing instead of relaxing and pitching.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner:beerme:.

Falls City Beer
07-12-2009, 03:22 PM
I'm sure you do.

If it is the reason, then he probably shouldn't pitch in the majors.

JaxRed
07-12-2009, 03:22 PM
The overhead shot showed that it was close...... but off the plate

Falls City Beer
07-12-2009, 03:23 PM
Ya except that Harang strikeouts out almost 2 more per 9.

Tapani pitched in the roid era, fwiw.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:24 PM
Votto thought the pitch was inside. I thought the pitch was inside. Gameday thought the pitch was inside. The replay showed that the pitch was inside.

Now Votto is inside (the clubhouse).

Blitz Dorsey
07-12-2009, 03:24 PM
The overhead shot showed that it was close...... but off the plate

I guess I am so used to calls WAY worse than that that I didn't even notice. I see balls 3-4 inches off the plate called strikes all the time.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:24 PM
Tapani pitched in the roid era, fwiw.

Harang hasn't?!?!?!?!?!

11larkin11
07-12-2009, 03:25 PM
Votto needs to make an adjustment after the Break. He is really prone to the cut fastball moving back over the plate. Its been getting him the past week or two.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:26 PM
Votto thought the pitch was inside. I thought the pitch was inside. Gameday thought the pitch was inside. The replay showed that the pitch was inside.

Now Votto is inside (the clubhouse).

BTW, does Baker have a leg injury or something or was he using the men's room? :cool:

Blitz Dorsey
07-12-2009, 03:26 PM
What was the big deal about Harang losing weight all about in the offseason? That was never his problem. Now he just has less weight and less velocity on his fastball. Way to go Aaron!

I say eat some Double Whoppers and get your velocity at least back in the 90's. No good?

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:27 PM
What was the big deal about Harang losing weight all about in the offseason? That was never his problem. Now he just has less weight and less velocity on his fastball. Way to go Aaron!

I say eat some Double Whoppers and get your velocity at least back in the 90's. No good?

Harang's velocity is about exactly where it's been the last several years.

fearofpopvol1
07-12-2009, 03:28 PM
why would Dusty put Rosales at first? wouldn't it be better to have hannigan catch and bat 3rd (with Hernandez going to 1B) than Rosales batting 3rd?

Matt700wlw
07-12-2009, 03:29 PM
why would Dusty put Rosales at first? wouldn't it be better to have hannigan catch and bat 3rd (with Hernandez going to 1B) than Rosales batting 3rd?

Too confusing.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:29 PM
BTW, Roenicke in to pitch the 4th....

Matt700wlw
07-12-2009, 03:31 PM
Phillips' decoy job almost worked. lol.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 03:32 PM
Phillips' decoy job almost worked. lol.

Little League.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:33 PM
Phillips' decoy job almost worked. lol.

I think Castillo was trying to break up the double play.... :cool:

TheNext44
07-12-2009, 03:34 PM
Welke is not a bad ump, and that pitch was close enough to call a strike.

But he broke a Cardinal rule of umpiring. He followed a batter, after the batter had already left the batter's box and was headed to the dugout. He even took off his mask, which makes it worse.

All he had to do was calmly explain why he thought it was a strike and get back to his job. But he felt it was necessary to go out of the umpires box and follow Votto as Votto walked back to the dugout. He was looking for a fight. That is inexcusable. And I am usually the first to back up the ump.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:35 PM
Welke is not a bad ump, and that pitch was close enough to call a strike.

But he broke a Cardinal rule of umpiring. He followed a batter, after the batter had already left the batter's box and was headed to the dugout. He even took off his mask, which makes it worse.

All he had to do was calmly explain why he thought it was a strike and get back to his job. But he felt it was necessary to go out of the umpires box and follow Votto as Votto walked back to the dugout. He was looking for a fight. That is inexcusable. And I am usually the first to back up the ump.

I kind of thought he was practically begging Votto not to make him toss V....

Blitz Dorsey
07-12-2009, 03:36 PM
George Grande likes to call ballplayers "Matinee Idols" a lot. It's actually pretty disturbing.

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

But even Jeff Francouer? Really George? I mean, really?

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 03:37 PM
Welke is not a bad ump, and that pitch was close enough to call a strike.

But he broke a Cardinal rule of umpiring. He followed a batter, after the batter had already left the batter's box and was headed to the dugout. He even took off his mask, which makes it worse.

All he had to do was calmly explain why he thought it was a strike and get back to his job. But he felt it was necessary to go out of the umpires box and follow Votto as Votto walked back to the dugout. He was looking for a fight. That is inexcusable. And I am usually the first to back up the ump.

The whole situation was set up for tempers to flare. Reds are frustrated. Their best pitcher is getting bombed, they've lost and lost lately and then the umpire made a call on a pitch. Umpires should realize what kind of situation they are in. Instead of doing what you said, this guy 1. said something to Votto, 2. Took off his mask, and 3. folowed him to the dugout. All no-nos.

JaxRed
07-12-2009, 03:37 PM
why would Dusty put Rosales at first? wouldn't it be better to have hannigan catch and bat 3rd (with Hernandez going to 1B) than Rosales batting 3rd?

Stop making sense

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:41 PM
The whole situation was set up for tempers to flare. Reds are frustrated. Their best pitcher is getting bombed, they've lost and lost lately and then the umpire made a call on a pitch. Umpires should realize what kind of situation they are in. Instead of doing what you said, this guy 1. said something to Votto, 2. Took off his mask, and 3. folowed him to the dugout. All no-nos.

Votto was pretty demonstrative instantly and I'm sure he used some language that would've made a Canadian mounty blush....

Roenicke doesn't make it out of the 4th.

jojo
07-12-2009, 03:42 PM
It's an awesome day for baseball and well just to be breathing and I'm sad..... 7-0.

TheNext44
07-12-2009, 03:44 PM
I kind of thought he was practically begging Votto not to make him toss V....

You are right about that, he did give Votto a long leash and all Votto needed to do was keep walking. Lot's of fault to go around there, especially Baker waiting too long to get in between them.

Tony Cloninger
07-12-2009, 03:44 PM
Josh got some bad luck with Gary and then pitched badly to the next guy.....i guess his name is Dale Murphy..based on how he has been hitting them.

I am not getting the Reds feed....the NY guys are making me sick..... Kiner is trying to sound as lucid as he can be...... is anyone throwing up in the bullpen?


How happy is George Grande? I bet he is real happy about that hit by Jeff.

JaxRed
07-12-2009, 03:54 PM
Josh got some bad luck with Gary and then pitched badly to the next guy.....i guess his name is Dale Murphy..based on how he has been hitting them.

I am not getting the Reds feed....the NY guys are making me sick..... Kiner is trying to sound as lucid as he can be...... is anyone throwing up in the bullpen?

I think I just saw Weathers hurling.....

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 03:54 PM
Rosales ground rule doubles and one runs scores. Runners on 2nd and third with one out. Infield hit for Dickerson. 7-2.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 03:56 PM
If the Reds were up 7-2 with two on, what's the over-under on Dickie Pole not coming to the mound?

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 03:57 PM
Willy Out up at bat.

Tony Cloninger
07-12-2009, 03:57 PM
JHJ with a quality swing at anything after the previous guy walked AB.....he and Taveras really just make me not like Dusty, which i have or who i have always defended on most things.

These are his toys and his downfall as a manager.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 03:59 PM
JHJ with a quality swing at anything after the previous guy walked AB.....he and Taveras really just make me not like Dusty, which i have or who i have always defended on most things.

These are his toys and his downfall as a manager.
And those are on Walt. With Dusty's persuading, I imagine. Hairston, our priority after last year was fool's gold and Taveras was simply a horrible mistake.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 04:04 PM
Owings' average will soon be as low as the other pitchers. Big K there.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 04:05 PM
Was Phillips running? That looked too easy.

7-3 Mets after 4.5. We had a chance there but Owings and Phillips were too impatient.

jojo
07-12-2009, 04:06 PM
Two big runs left on the bases there....

Tony Cloninger
07-12-2009, 04:08 PM
I call these hitters....the curse of Tony Perez.... meaning if the games goes long enough....you will be sure that every single one of these hitters WILL NOT win it for you.

CTA513
07-12-2009, 04:13 PM
The Reds outfield right now: LF Nix, CF Taveras, RF Hairston

:all_cohol

klw
07-12-2009, 04:22 PM
The Reds outfield right now: LF Nix, CF Taveras, RF Hairston

:all_cohol

What happended to Dickerson?

jojo
07-12-2009, 04:22 PM
One of the best memories of the Reds season thus far is perhaps a trivial one. I was watching the Reds on Houstan's FSN feed while in New Orleans during April (the Reds were in Houstan). Someone from the Astros' broadcast team was in the stands interviewing Janish's dad and a ball was hit to Paul during the interview and without skipping a beat, his father did play by play on Paul's put out.

Now how cool is that?

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 04:23 PM
Still 7-3, end of 6 (if anyone still cares).

CTA513
07-12-2009, 04:23 PM
What happended to Dickerson?

He left with back spasms according to the Reds announcers.

Tony Cloninger
07-12-2009, 04:25 PM
The usual...I am sick of losing so any little hurt..i am going to leave...type of injury. happened a lot in 1993.

klw
07-12-2009, 04:31 PM
He left with back spasms according to the Reds announcers.

In April it was the flu now in July the contagious Spasms is spreading like wildfire in the clubhouse.

CTA513
07-12-2009, 04:42 PM
Weathers comes in and gives up a homer on the 1st pitch and now just gave up another homer.

9-3 Mets

BrooklynRedz
07-12-2009, 04:45 PM
Haha, Weathers broke the apple. Fans are booing the apple. I'm booing Stormy. All is good.

BCubb2003
07-12-2009, 04:52 PM
The apple needs 45 seconds to recharge between homeruns.

CTA513
07-12-2009, 05:02 PM
Phillips RBI single makes it 9-4 Mets

Nix with an infield single to load the bases with 0 out.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 05:03 PM
Bases loaded with 0 outs. How many runs will we score>

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 05:07 PM
Edwin takes a third strike on a bad call.

I would have been tossed. Horrible.

CTA513
07-12-2009, 05:07 PM
High slider called strike 3 on Encarnacion.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 05:08 PM
Hairston never met a pitch he didn't like.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 05:14 PM
JHJ hits into a 3-4 FC and a run scores 9-6 Mets.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 05:16 PM
Rosales grounds out. They scored three runs in the inning to bring it to 9-6 in the middle of the 8th. It could have been huge, but then again, isn't that the story of the
Reds this year?

flyer85
07-12-2009, 05:16 PM
why did Dusty take out his best hitters early?

Tony Cloninger
07-12-2009, 05:16 PM
At least he did not swing at ball 4 or 5....he swung at a strike but it was the same pitch Hernandez went up the middle with....which shows how good of a hitter Ramon is.

Tony Cloninger
07-12-2009, 05:17 PM
Votto got thrown out and Dickerson got hurt.

Have you been out getting a tan? ;)

flyer85
07-12-2009, 05:23 PM
Votto got thrown out and Dickerson got hurt.

Have you been out getting a tan? ;)don't you know it

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 05:33 PM
Reds threatening in 9th - 1st and 3rd, one out. Phillips nearly hits into a DP as a run scores. 9-7 with 2 outs, Phillips on 1st and 2 out.

redsmetz
07-12-2009, 05:34 PM
Votto got thrown out and Dickerson got hurt.

Have you been out getting a tan? ;)

I was wondering Hernandez was at first and Rosales still in. So Rosales moved out to the outfield, Hanigan slid behind the plate? (I was out gardening)

reds44
07-12-2009, 05:35 PM
Nice 2-0 swing by Nix.

reds44
07-12-2009, 05:36 PM
Nix just refused to walk that AB.

WVRedsFan
07-12-2009, 05:37 PM
Nix K's. Game over and Reds lose 9-7

Another loss in which the brain trust will point to showing how good the offense is.

Homer Bailey
07-12-2009, 05:39 PM
Weathers manages to cost us another one!

Tony Cloninger
07-12-2009, 05:57 PM
You could say the same for Josh as well. He just did it more slowly.

Tanning while gardening is always a good way to get both things done with minimal travel time.

Always Red
07-12-2009, 06:06 PM
Seriously, Willy Taveras is a terrible outfielder.

Willy Taveras is a spinning top in CF. :roll:

Not to pile on or anything, but it literally looks as if he has never played the position before this year.

traderumor
07-12-2009, 06:54 PM
I have to say that I thought Willy Taveras was an answer to a question the Reds had this offseason. I admit I was wrong. Enough pop ups and bad fielding plays like in the first today have tipped the scales. He does not deserve the regular beating that he gets on here because nobody does. But he is not a good baseball player. Bring on the rookies.

redsmetz
07-12-2009, 08:41 PM
I have to say that I thought Willy Taveras was an answer to a question the Reds had this offseason. I admit I was wrong. Enough pop ups and bad fielding plays like in the first today have tipped the scales. He does not deserve the regular beating that he gets on here because nobody does. But he is not a good baseball player. Bring on the rookies.

I came to this as a final conclusion last night when he failed to pull up short on a blooper into CF where I think we'd have had a chance to at least get the runner at second on a force. It was clear he was not thinking out there. He may a fine friendly guy, but the club made a mistake. I'm like you in that I thought perhaps the club was seeing something they could work with, but he's a huge drag at this point and should find a new home. He's not the sole problem with this club, injuries and all, but he's not part of the solution either.

jojo
07-12-2009, 09:23 PM
This one was depressing.

At the ASB, 4.5 games out of first (with four teams ahead of them) and 6.5 games out of the wild card (with 7 teams ahead of them).

Assuming the Cards went .500 over their remaining 72 games, the Reds would need to go 42-33 over their remaining 75 games (i.e. play .560 ball). They'd also have to hope the other teams ahead of them don't surge.

It's looking like a real tough road to victory. Certainly, they could win-it's not impossible. But the division being theirs for the taking is more illusion than reality.

Hollcat
07-12-2009, 09:43 PM
I was wondering Hernandez was at first and Rosales still in. So Rosales moved out to the outfield, Hanigan slid behind the plate? (I was out gardening)

Hanigan came in in the middle of the 8th. In the field Hanigan comes in to catch, Hernandez moved to first and Rosales left the game. Hanigan actually came into the batting order in the pitcher's spot.

I don't understand why Dusty let Rosales bat with two men on in the 8th with Hanigan's bat on the bench and then brought Hanigan if after Mendoza, oops, I mean Rosales strands the runners.

CTA513
07-13-2009, 03:19 AM
Replay of Vottos ejection from the Mets network:
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5557407

They have an overhead view around the 1 minute mark that shows the ball was off the plate.
Mets announcers also thought Baker was slow to get out and protect his player from getting ejected.

traderumor
07-13-2009, 01:59 PM
Replay of Vottos ejection from the Mets network:
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5557407

They have an overhead view around the 1 minute mark that shows the ball was off the plate.
Mets announcers also thought Baker was slow to get out and protect his player from getting ejected.The Mets announcers "it was close enough" uh, yea. Those backup pitches are causing problems for the umps. They are not consistently applying "where the ball crosses the plate." Many of these backup pitches, of which Weathers does not get consistently, seem to be moving into the zone AFTER they cross the plate. That pitch was inside, and that had been building for Votto, who has been upset about called strikes in every game of this series.

jojo
07-13-2009, 02:18 PM
The Mets announcers "it was close enough" uh, yea. Those backup pitches are causing problems for the umps. They are not consistently applying "where the ball crosses the plate." Many of these backup pitches, of which Weathers does not get consistently, seem to be moving into the zone AFTER they cross the plate. That pitch was inside, and that had been building for Votto, who has been upset about called strikes in every game of this series.

To me the overhead angle is the definitive answer. Joey was penalized for being a good hitter. I can see why he'd be ticked.

Big Klu
07-13-2009, 02:32 PM
I have to say that I thought Willy Taveras was an answer to a question the Reds had this offseason. I admit I was wrong. Enough pop ups and bad fielding plays like in the first today have tipped the scales. He does not deserve the regular beating that he gets on here because nobody does. But he is not a good baseball player. Bring on the rookies.


I came to this as a final conclusion last night when he failed to pull up short on a blooper into CF where I think we'd have had a chance to at least get the runner at second on a force. It was clear he was not thinking out there. He may a fine friendly guy, but the club made a mistake. I'm like you in that I thought perhaps the club was seeing something they could work with, but he's a huge drag at this point and should find a new home. He's not the sole problem with this club, injuries and all, but he's not part of the solution either.

I'm with you guys. I was willing to give him an opportunity, and I'm still not going to pile on, but I have seen enough of Taveras. He reminds me too much of Curtis Goodwin.

traderumor
07-13-2009, 02:41 PM
To me the overhead angle is the definitive answer. Joey was penalized for being a good hitter. I can see why he'd be ticked.

Yup, he has a great eye at the plate. That is why when he starts woofing, the umps should listen. It works for Sir Albert ;)

reds1869
07-13-2009, 07:08 PM
To me the overhead angle is the definitive answer. Joey was penalized for being a good hitter. I can see why he'd be ticked.

I absolutely agree. I just watched the overhead and was horrified by the call. There is no way a major league umpire should miss that one. Votto should have walked away, but then again it has to be hard to show restraint when you've been rung up twice on questionable pitches.

I, too, love the homerism of the Mets announcers. "It was close enough." Riiiiigggggght.