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GOYA
07-12-2009, 01:52 PM
Columbus @ Louisville - 1:15

Probables:
Columbus: Ken Ray 2-4, 8.06
Louisville: Ramon Ramirez 3-6, 4.35

Rosales was called back up to the Reds

Carolina All-Star Break

Charlotte @ Sarasota - 1:00

Probables:
Charlotte: Jesse Darcy 2-7, 5.60
Sarasota: Scott Carroll 1-2, 3.42


Dayton @ Cedar Rapids - 2:05

Probables:
Dayton: Lance Janke 4-4, 3.74
Cedar Rapids: William Smith 7-3, 3.27

Billings @ Ogden - 6:00

Probables:
Billings: Timothy Crabbe 0-1, 3.00
Ogden: Edwin Contreras 0-0, 3.86

GCL Reds @ GCL Rays - 12:00

No Report

aubashbrother
07-12-2009, 01:55 PM
Doesnt look like Heisey or Stubbs will get the call after the break if its up to Dusty. Pretty much said on pregame he didnt think they were ready

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 01:56 PM
Don't forget the Futures Game is on at 2:00 on ESPN2. Chris Heisey is batting sixth and playing left field.

Alex Buchholz is back in the Sarasota lineup today.

GOYA
07-12-2009, 01:59 PM
The Futures game is also on ESPN360 @ 2:00

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 02:02 PM
The GCL Reds are winning 2-0 in the 4th inning.

Bowe: 0-for-2
Y. Rodriguez: 1-for-2
Morrison: 1-for-2
Hernandez: 1-for-2 double
Lutz: 0-for-2
Duran: 0-for-1 walk
C. Rodriguez: 1-for-2

Jacob Johnson: 3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K, 5 GO/1 FO

GIDP
07-12-2009, 02:04 PM
Doesnt look like Heisey or Stubbs will get the call after the break if its up to Dusty. Pretty much said on pregame he didnt think they were ready

He pretty much said that if you arent hitting .400 you arent ready :laugh:

mound_patrol
07-12-2009, 02:04 PM
Doesnt look like Heisey or Stubbs will get the call after the break if its up to Dusty. Pretty much said on pregame he didnt think they were ready

How would Dusty have any idea on whether or not they were ready. It'll be up to Walt to make that decision.

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 02:09 PM
Yorman Rodriguez is now 2-for-3.

GOYA
07-12-2009, 02:14 PM
Stubbs CF .279
Sutton 2B .243
McDonald RF .303
Barker DH .266
Bankston 1B .239
Dorn LF .249
Valaika SS .229
Bolivar 3B .245
Miller C .160

Ramirez P

dougdirt
07-12-2009, 02:23 PM
How would Dusty have any idea on whether or not they were ready. It'll be up to Walt to make that decision.

Dusty gets reports from each minor league manager after the game from that day. He goes on what those managers tell him is my guess. Whether they say 'X is ready' or not is another thing, but he certainly is getting information every day on those guys.

mound_patrol
07-12-2009, 02:34 PM
Dusty gets reports from each minor league manager after the game from that day. He goes on what those managers tell him is my guess. Whether they say 'X is ready' or not is another thing, but he certainly is getting information every day on those guys.

As does Walt I'm sure while also watching them play himself. I really hope Dusty doesn't have a say in who will get the call. Can't say I'm a big fan of how Dusty evaluates talent.

mac624
07-12-2009, 02:40 PM
all Dusto would do is having Heisey and/or Stubbs sitting the bench every game. They need to play everyday, get at bats, learn situations, not sit the bench and watch Taveras stink up the joint.

So if Dusty doesn't have the brains to play them, yeah, keep them in Louisville and let other has been or never will bes, play I guess.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 02:45 PM
at least its only 15 minutes till the interesting ball game starts.

GOYA
07-12-2009, 03:04 PM
Bats down 2-0 in the 3rd

Ramirez doesn't look good at all.

edit: 2-1 on a Corky RBI double

GOYA
07-12-2009, 03:12 PM
McD HR

Bats lead 4-2

GOYA
07-12-2009, 03:29 PM
Bolivar 2-run triple

Bats lead 6-2

GOYA
07-12-2009, 03:31 PM
Corky RBI single

Bats up 7-2 on 5 hits

Futures game is in a rain delay

GOYA
07-12-2009, 04:02 PM
Valaika single scores Barker

8-4 Bats

dougdirt
07-12-2009, 04:03 PM
For the record.... if the Futures Game is rained out, it will not be played tomorrow it will be canceled.

mace
07-12-2009, 04:05 PM
Sarasota up 5-0 after 7. Scott Carroll went 6 scoreless for the second time in a row.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 04:07 PM
For the record.... if the Futures Game is rained out, it will not be played tomorrow it will be canceled.

:laugh: I dont think its going to get rained out. I think they said the rain is just a short shower that should just move through.

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 04:19 PM
The GCL Reds won 6-1.

Bowe: 0-for-3 two walks
Y. Rodriguez: 2-for-4 walk
Morrison: 1-for-5
Hernandez: 2-for-4 double, walk
Lutz: 1-for-5 triple, three RBI
Duran: 0-for-4 walk
C. Rodriguez: 2-for-4
H. Rodriguez: 2-for-4

Jacob Johnson: 3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K, 5 GO/1 FO

Ware: 4 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 3 K

Wiley: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K

11larkin11
07-12-2009, 04:21 PM
I think Hamilton must be hurt

klw
07-12-2009, 04:33 PM
The GCL Reds won 6-1.


Y. Rodriguez: 2-for-4 walk

C. Rodriguez: 2-for-4
H. Rodriguez: 2-for-4



So in summary, Rodriguez was 2 for 4.

Grande Donkey
07-12-2009, 04:34 PM
Or 6-12 depending how you look at it.

Redmachine2003
07-12-2009, 04:39 PM
:laugh: I dont think its going to get rained out. I think they said the rain is just a short shower that should just move through.


Still have another 1-2 hrs of storms with some heavy rain this game may not get played.

GOYA
07-12-2009, 04:51 PM
The Bats announcers seem to think that Kip Wells will be called up. He is pitching pretty well. Ramirez, on the other hand...


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Ramirez 5.0 6 4 4 5 1 0 4.50
Wells, K 2.2 1 0 0 0 3 0 1.72

8-4 Bats in the bottom of the 8th

GIDP
07-12-2009, 04:59 PM
Awesome news.

GOYA
07-12-2009, 05:03 PM
Bats win 8-4


Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Stubbs CF 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .274
Sutton 2B 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 2 .243
McDonald RF 4 1 1 0 0 1 3 0 1 .302
Barker DH 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .266
Bankston 1B 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .240
Dorn LF 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 .250
Valaika SS 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 .231
Bolivar 3B 3 2 1 0 1 0 2 1 1 .246
Miller C 3 1 2 1 0 0 2 0 1 .214

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Ramirez (W, 4-6) 5.0 6 4 4 5 1 0 4.50
Wells, K 3.0 1 0 0 0 3 0 1.69
Kennard, J 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.08

GOYA
07-12-2009, 05:06 PM
Sweet has told Kelch that there will be some changes in the rotation for the Bats after the break. The first thing that comes to mind is getting Stewart some starts but I doubt that's what they do.

dougdirt
07-12-2009, 05:20 PM
Sweet has told Kelch that there will be some changes in the rotation for the Bats after the break. The first thing that comes to mind is getting Stewart some starts but I doubt that's what they do.

First thing that came to my mind was Travis Wood getting a promotion.

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 05:22 PM
Dayton is winning 5-0 after 3 1/2 innings.

Fellhauer: 0-for-1 two walks
Wiley: 2-for-2 double, HR (#10), 4 RBI

membengal
07-12-2009, 05:26 PM
Sorry, I am slow on the uptake today (and most days), but what position does Wiley play?

klw
07-12-2009, 05:27 PM
First thing that came to my mind was Travis Wood getting a promotion.

First thing that came to mind was that the pitchers would be required to throw with their other arm to rest their primary arm and to see if the team could develop any ambidextrous relievers. Then it hit me that that was unlikely. You are hopefully closer to the mark.;)

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 05:28 PM
Sorry, I am slow on the uptake today (and most days), but what position does Wiley play?

CF/LF.

GOYA
07-12-2009, 05:31 PM
Maybe Janish is coming down for some starts. ;)

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 05:39 PM
Wiley is now 3-for-3 with a double, HR (#10), and 4 RBI.

Screwball
07-12-2009, 05:40 PM
Still have another 1-2 hrs of storms with some heavy rain this game may not get played.

Yep, judging from the radar there's probably another hour and a half of rain still to come out in the Lou. That field is gonna be soaked.

membengal
07-12-2009, 05:45 PM
CF/LF.

Great news. Thought for some reason he was a 1b. I am all for continued depth and prospects in the system in the OF.

CTA513
07-12-2009, 05:48 PM
Wiley is now 3-for-3 with a double, HR (#10), and 4 RBI.

Is he the guy Votto worked with when Votto was in the minors rehabbing?
If so do you know what his numbers have been since then?

Homer Bailey
07-12-2009, 06:01 PM
Is he the guy Votto worked with when Votto was in the minors rehabbing?
If so do you know what his numbers have been since then?

Yeah he's the guy. In his last 10 games he is hitting .343 with 5 HR's and 12 RBI's, and 7 Walks to boot. 2 steals as well. Not sure exactly when Votto left him in the minors, but he's been hot lately.

mace
07-12-2009, 06:22 PM
Jim Krebs, a 24-year-old lefty reliever for Sarasota, has had a very nice season. Anybody know anything about him?

mace
07-12-2009, 06:27 PM
Interesting standings in the Florida State League South. At 8-9, Sarasota's in a 5-way tie for first.

GCL boys are also tied for first, having won 7 in a row.

Billings, not so much.

Homer Bailey
07-12-2009, 06:30 PM
Any word on this futures game?

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 06:32 PM
Update at 3:45 p.m (CT).: Still raining and the radar shows rain as far away as 90 miles from here. It seems like MLB wants this game to be played, so we’re going to be here for a long time it would seem.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=1335

dougdirt
07-12-2009, 06:33 PM
Any word on this futures game?

It sounds like its going to be played, even if its not until tonight. Sounds to me like a good spot for a nap.

texasdave
07-12-2009, 06:42 PM
Doesnt look like Heisey or Stubbs will get the call after the break if its up to Dusty. Pretty much said on pregame he didnt think they were ready

Willy Taveras is not ready and never will be, yet Dust-matic runs him out there like clockwork.

texasdave
07-12-2009, 06:44 PM
How would Dusty have any idea on whether or not they were ready. It'll be up to Walt to make that decision.

Dusty Baker is an intelligent man. He speaks fluently on any number of subjects. It is simply unfortunate that baseball is not among that number.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 06:46 PM
Dusty Baker is an intelligent man. He speaks fluently on any number of subjects. It is simply unfortunate that baseball is not among that number.

I'm going to guess that if you hear him talk enough about those subjects your opinion would change on that aswell :laugh:

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 07:32 PM
The Futures Game is back underway.

JayBruceFan
07-12-2009, 07:38 PM
Link for live viewing online:

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?topic_id=5788334

Screwball
07-12-2009, 07:56 PM
Heisey hit a routine grounder to 3rd on the first pitch. ESPN was interviewing Drabek during the AB and Heisey was barely mentioned or even shown.

bubbachunk
07-12-2009, 08:01 PM
Heisey hit a routine grounder to 3rd on the first pitch. ESPN was interviewing Drabek during the AB and Heisey was barely mentioned or even shown.

Gotta love ESPN's fair and balanced coverage.

mth123
07-12-2009, 08:02 PM
Heisey hit a routine grounder to 3rd on the first pitch. ESPN was interviewing Drabek during the AB and Heisey was barely mentioned or even shown.

Yeah I was kind of torn between wanting to hear what they had to say about Heisey and wanting to see more of Erin Andrews. No way to lose really.;)

mth123
07-12-2009, 08:23 PM
Nice comments about Heisey this time around. He Ks though.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 08:24 PM
I wonder if JCS is gonna get in the game.

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 08:28 PM
Sutcliffe said he was very impressed with Heisey during batting practice. Gammons said Heisey has a lot of tools and says the Reds are building a nice foundation.

Screwball
07-12-2009, 08:33 PM
Nice comments about Heisey this time around.

Yeah, Sutcliffe (who I don't much care for, BTW) said he was impressive in batting practice, hitting line drives up the middle and the other way. Gammons said he's got a lot of tools and will definitely be up in the Majors, probably around this time next year. Thorne raved about the excellent numbers he's putting up this year.


He Ks though

The pitcher dropped a pretty hard slider on him after consecutive 96 mph fastballs. It was pretty apparent Heisey was looking for the heat and was fooled on the swinging strikeout.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 09:01 PM
I dont think JCS is going to get in.

dougdirt
07-12-2009, 09:02 PM
I dont think JCS is going to get in.

He might now that the World Team is losing. I wouldn't bring him in if I were winning, but on the short end of things I would consider it.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 09:06 PM
He might now that the World Team is losing. I wouldn't bring him in if I were winning, but on the short end of things I would consider it.

ESPN is probably begging to have him put in. He's already kind of a media darling for them after the WBC.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 09:24 PM
Hopefully Reckling blows this so we get a chance of seeing Juan.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 09:39 PM
Well they blew it so maybe we will get to see him.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 09:45 PM
Hes in.

dougdirt
07-12-2009, 09:46 PM
So not only is Sulbaran in the Texas League.... but his 5.36 ERA also ranks in the top 5 in the league. Fantastic.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 09:47 PM
So not only is Sulbaran in the Texas League.... but his 5.36 ERA also ranks in the top 5 in the league. Fantastic.

Yea they just said Jones was a Reds prospect on the graphic :laugh:

dougdirt
07-12-2009, 09:47 PM
We also apparently just acquired Daryl Jones (he plays for the Cardinals but they just had a Reds logo next to his stats).

GIDP
07-12-2009, 09:47 PM
I cant believe Indians got Santana for Blake.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 09:53 PM
JCS is probably going to be pretty good if he gets that control under control. He missed way wide twice, but every other pitch was just barely off the plate really.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 09:54 PM
Jcs 1 ip 2 bb 0 h 0 er.

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 09:56 PM
Sulbaran has great stuff but his control is below average right now. Then again, he's only 19 years old and most 19 year olds struggle with control.

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 10:00 PM
Kevin Goldstein had little tidbits on each prospect that played in the Futures Game.

On Heisey:

Has turned himself into a very real prospect. Scouts say he is the real deal.

On Sulbaran:

Struggled with command but has plus fastball/curve combo.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9219

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 10:13 PM
Sulburan Closes Out Win

Posted Jul. 12, 2009 7:56 pm by Jim Callis
Filed under: At The Ballpark, Futures Game

The U.S. got the go-ahead run to the plate in the bottom of the seventh, but J.C. Sulbaran (Reds) ultimately held on for a 7-5 World victory. Working with a 90-92 mph fastball, Sulbaran easily retired Daryl Jones (Cardinals) on a foulout and Jason Castro (Astros) on a pop to center. He walked Mike Stanton (Marlins) and Danny Espinosa (Nationals) to add some drama, and then Jemile Weeks (Athletics) tried to redeem for his error in the top of the seventh by smashing a liner to deep center. Tyson Gillies (Mariners), who moved to center for the seventh, went back and caught it to end the game.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=5554

11larkin11
07-12-2009, 10:23 PM
I still can't take Mike Stanton as a real prospect, after living with our Mike Stanton

Kc61
07-12-2009, 10:31 PM
I still can't take Mike Stanton as a real prospect, after living with our Mike Stanton

"Our" Mike Stanton had a 19 year major league career. Let's see how long the real prospect lasts.

11larkin11
07-12-2009, 10:40 PM
"Our" Mike Stanton had a 19 year major league career. Let's see how long the real prospect lasts.

Oh I know he was a good major leaguer, but as a Red, I don't like to remember him.

Redmachine2003
07-12-2009, 11:40 PM
Is he the guy Votto worked with when Votto was in the minors rehabbing?
If so do you know what his numbers have been since then?

Wiley's Number Pre-Votto
46 games, Avg .212, Runs 21, 2bs 8, 3bs 3, Hrs 3, RBIs 19, BBs 34, SOs 54

Post Votto

16 Games, AVG. .412, Runs 11, 2bs 6, 3bs 1, Hrs 7, RBIs 23, BBs 8, SOs 11

Very good improvements across the board hope he keeps it up.

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2009, 11:54 PM
By the way, Byron Wiley finished today going 4-for-4 with a double, HR (#10), and 4 RBI. Overall, he's now hitting .276/.392/.519 - .911 OPS.

Mario-Rijo
07-13-2009, 12:27 AM
By the way, Byron Wiley finished today going 4-for-4 with a double, HR (#10), and 4 RBI. Overall, he's now hitting .276/.392/.519 - .911 OPS.

He has also played RF BTW, but the time I saw him he didn't look to have the arm for it. Granted that was an extremely limited sample size. I think he's probably eventually a LF/1B/DH at best going off that sample size. But he's got an absolutely stellar eye at the plate and looks like a legit hitter. Got a nice LH swing also.

If I had to guess at what he picked up off of Joey it would be to be a bit more aggressive at the plate. His eye is so good that he would let borderline strikes go that were drivable.

icehole3
07-13-2009, 08:04 AM
I think he has too much speed to be at 1B

OesterPoster
07-13-2009, 09:23 AM
I think he has too much speed to be at 1B

I don't know about that. My first impression, like Mario's, was that Wiley didn't look like a RF to me. That was only 1 game's impression though. I'm going again next Monday, so maybe I'll get a better look.

redsof72
07-13-2009, 12:30 PM
Wiley has been incredibly hot...as hot as any hitter you will see. Last 19 games: .403, 8 HR, 27 RBI, .861 slugging pct. On the current road trip: 9 G: .485, 5 HR, 12 RBI, .919 slg. pct.

Wiley would project as a left fielder due to a very weak arm. There is a misconception that Wiley has excellent speed. He is an average runner on the bases. He has four steals on a team that runs a lot. In the outfield, his range is below average.

mace
07-13-2009, 01:24 PM
Wiley has been incredibly hot...as hot as any hitter you will see. Last 19 games: .403, 8 HR, 27 RBI, .861 slugging pct. On the current road trip: 9 G: .485, 5 HR, 12 RBI, .919 slg. pct.

Wiley would project as a left fielder due to a very weak arm. There is a misconception that Wiley has excellent speed. He is an average runner on the bases. He has four steals on a team that runs a lot. In the outfield, his range is below average.

Do you reckon that he has the hands and instincts necessary for 1B?

icehole3
07-13-2009, 01:30 PM
I would agree he's not a blazer, is he as fast as Bruce, I think so, as fast as Dickerson or Tavares probably somewhere between Bruce and Dickerson, you dont get 4 3bs this year, 5 last year being slow Im sorry guys he deserves more than that, Ive only seen Wiley twice and he has some speed, Im in no way saying he as fast as Drew Stubbs, but I'll never agree that he has average speed and he should play first thats ridiculous.

redsof72
07-13-2009, 02:07 PM
He will not move to first. We definitely disagree on his speed. His speed is average based on conversations with scouts who have clocked him to first base. His range in the outfield is below average. His arm is well below average for a left fielder. Overall, his defense is well below average, comparable to an Adam Dunn, although his arm is weaker than Dunn's. His power potential and overall offensive potential is the highest of any hitter on the current Dayton team.

Benihana
07-13-2009, 02:53 PM
Redsof72,

A little off topic I apologize, but do you have any thoughts on moving Juan Francisco to catcher? He's got a cannon arm but his footwoork is supposedly shoddy at 3B, and while he's shown plenty of power with the stick, he could still use a couple extra years in the minors. Plus, the Reds already have EE, Frazier, and Soto at 3B. It's obviously worked with guys like Russell Martin, Geovany Soto, and Carlos Santana...

redsof72
07-13-2009, 03:03 PM
Have not heard that raised as a possibility. There are a lot of mixed opinions on Francisco defensively. I do not like to say too much about players I have not seen first hand and I have not seen Francisco.

Benihana
07-13-2009, 03:05 PM
Have not heard that raised as a possibility. There are a lot of mixed opinions on Francisco defensively. I do not like to say too much about players I have not seen first hand and I have not seen Francisco.

I don't think it's been raised within the organization- at least, not that I know of. It was just a thought of mine. I think that it could be an interesting fit, especially in light of those players that I named. If he could be average defensively (and I think he could given his tools), his stick would play well at that position.

camisadelgolf
07-13-2009, 03:09 PM
I don't think it's been raised within the organization- at least, not that I know of. It was just a thought of mine. I think that it could be an interesting fit, especially in light of those players that I named. If he could be average defensively (and I think he could given his tools), his stick would play well at that position.
Francisco struggles enough just making the throw from third to first. I think moving him to catcher would be a train wreck.

redsof72
07-13-2009, 03:19 PM
No game thread today but Fairel dealing, Means with two more infield hits. Eight infield hits in the last six games. He can absolutely fly.

icehole3
07-13-2009, 03:22 PM
He will not move to first. We definitely disagree on his speed. His speed is average based on conversations with scouts who have clocked him to first base. His range in the outfield is below average. His arm is well below average for a left fielder. Overall, his defense is well below average, comparable to an Adam Dunn, although his arm is weaker than Dunn's. His power potential and overall offensive potential is the highest of any hitter on the current Dayton team.

who's faster Bruce or Wiley???

Benihana
07-13-2009, 03:22 PM
No game thread today but Fairel dealing, Means with two more infield hits. Eight infield hits in the last six games. He can absolutely fly.

I like Fairel more than most, yet I believe you projected him as a lefty reliever. Any more logic behind that?

redsof72
07-13-2009, 04:00 PM
Bruce is much faster. Encarnacion is faster.

Fairel had a rough inning and may take the loss. Comparisons to Maloney. Four lefties having success under 90 mph, one at each level with Wood and Horst also.

Benihana
07-13-2009, 04:03 PM
Fairel had a rough inning and may take the loss. Comparisons to Maloney. Four lefties having success under 90 mph, one at each level with Wood and Horst also.

Would be great if we had a lefty with success over 90mph. :cool:

redsof72
07-13-2009, 04:09 PM
Andrew Bowman is a lefty with a FB 92-95. On some days, he looks like a major leaguer. On other days...well, his ERA is 5.28. The organization still has hopes for him.

Benihana
07-13-2009, 04:11 PM
How about Mark Pawelek? I believe he fits the bill if he ever has success.

icehole3
07-13-2009, 06:08 PM
Bruce is much faster. Encarnacion is faster.


thats funny

redsof72
07-14-2009, 03:37 PM
Tell you what Icehole3. I respect anyone's opinion. Just for you, the first five scouts I see at games this week, I will ask what they have Wiley's speed rated at on the 2 to 8 scale and I will post the responses.

Again, I would not describe Wiley as a lumbering guy, but he is not particularly fast. He has average speed, as I have been saying. And in the outfield, his range on fly balls is below average.

Not that stolen bases are great measures of foot speed, but when Encarnacion was in the Midwest League, he stole 25 bases and was thrown out seven times. Wiley, on a team where every player on the team has the green light to run at any time, on a team where the catcher, who admits he never stole more than five bases in a season in high school, has eight steals, well, Wiley has four steals in nine tries. Last season at Billings, Wiley had two steals.

Wiley is hotter than hot as a hitter and I have seen him hit balls in BP that made me shake my head. But I will guess that he is a 5 runner.

lollipopcurve
07-14-2009, 03:46 PM
Wiley is hotter than hot as a hitter and I have seen him hit balls in BP that made me shake my head. But I will guess that he is a 5 runner.

May not be a fair question, but, redsof72, do you think Wiley may be able to move up the ladder quickly?

icehole3
07-14-2009, 06:33 PM
Tell you what Icehole3. I respect anyone's opinion. Just for you, the first five scouts I see at games this week, I will ask what they have Wiley's speed rated at on the 2 to 8 scale and I will post the responses.

Again, I would not describe Wiley as a lumbering guy, but he is not particularly fast. He has average speed, as I have been saying. And in the outfield, his range on fly balls is below average.

Not that stolen bases are great measures of foot speed, but when Encarnacion was in the Midwest League, he stole 25 bases and was thrown out seven times. Wiley, on a team where every player on the team has the green light to run at any time, on a team where the catcher, who admits he never stole more than five bases in a season in high school, has eight steals, well, Wiley has four steals in nine tries. Last season at Billings, Wiley had two steals.

Wiley is hotter than hot as a hitter and I have seen him hit balls in BP that made me shake my head. But I will guess that he is a 5 runner.

no need to my friend, I was just defending the guy a little, all the talk about him being nothing more than a 1st baseman got to me a little, I think we both agree he's an average base runner, his OF play, I saw him play center in the Big 12 tourney and he went in the gap and flagged down a fly and thats all I was saying is he can play OF, I respect your opinions for the most part we just didnt agree fully on this one and I think we're on common ground on this kid, we all will see this thing play out and as long as he's a Red we should both be thrilled we have another decent prospect, my job used to hand me 4 or 5 Dragon tickets a year, due to the economy thats out the window, so I have to pretty much go with what you say on the Dragons but I have all the FSN channels so I get to see some old college games from the past so I get to see some Reds draftees from time to time, Im a straight shooter and you can take me for my word.

redsof72
07-15-2009, 05:06 PM
No offense intended or taken. I emailed a pro scout that I know from an NL Central team that saw Wiley on the last road trip. I asked him for his time on Wiley to first base. Here was the reply. Don't kill the messenger, and again, I am not trying to be a jerk, just providing information:

"The best time I had was a 4.40, which from the LH side is a 30 runner, or well below average…"