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Caveat Emperor
07-12-2009, 05:30 PM
I was watching the PPV last night with a couple of friends and, at the end of the card, the question was posed: Is Brock Lesner bad for the UFC?

At the end of his fight with Mir, he acted like he was back in the WWF. He started talking trash immediately to Mir, before the doctors had even finished looking at him. He flicked off the crowd, told them all to keep booing him and that he loved it, did nothing but insult Mir in his post-fight interview with Rogan, and then crapped all over the sponsor of the event.

For a sport that has made great strides in gaining legitimacy over the past few years, it felt like a huge step backwards. I honestly felt like I was watching an episode of "Monday Night Raw" and Lesner was cutting a promo on Shawn Michaels or someone else. It didn't help that we saw the same clip (edited) on ESPNNews some 10-15 minutes later.

He's obviously a very talented fighter (albeit pushed by Dana White to the top waaaayy too quickly), but I don't think he puts off an image that helps the sport.

Maybe I'm totally off base on this, though.

reds1869
07-12-2009, 05:36 PM
I think you might be right. OTOH, every sport benefits from a good villain, and he is universally despised, except by a few hardcore fans. I hate him, personally and want to see someone jump to heavyweight who can take him down. Perhaps Fedor will sign with UFC and do the job.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 05:40 PM
MMA fans are some of the biggest snobs. They are going to hate him regardless of what he does. Oh and lets not act like Frank Mir didnt talk trash non stop before the fight.

Lesner is who he is mainly because the fan base hates him for being an outsider. I'd bet that if he was never in the WWE majority of hte fans would love him.

Tom Servo
07-12-2009, 05:54 PM
As a wrestling fan who occassionally watches UFC, I love him (and did when he wrestled). And he's only going to make himself and UFC more money by cutting heel promos and wanting people to see him get beat.

guttle11
07-12-2009, 06:17 PM
Let's keep in mind that UFC was built by a guy who never shuts his mouth, has public spats with his own fighters, and intentionally tries to get a rise out of virtually everyone.

Dana White knows what he is doing. He pushed Brock to the top, bypassing the traditional dues paying, for a reason. Now he just needs a challenger people can get behind and pay to see beat the crap out of Brock, and it's buyrate heaven. Promoting 101, can't have a hero without first having a villain.

Joseph
07-12-2009, 06:22 PM
He's bringing publicity to a sport that is hoping to get into a more mainstream vibe. Bad for UFC? I don't think so, I think he's excellent for UFC.

WMR
07-12-2009, 06:51 PM
It has raised my interest level in UFC so I'd say it's GOOD for the sport more than any negative connotations that could come along with his "showmanship."

Tom Servo
07-12-2009, 07:08 PM
Not only is Brock a credit to UFC, but to the Hispanic community as well.

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reds1869
07-12-2009, 08:30 PM
MMA fans are some of the biggest snobs. They are going to hate him regardless of what he does. Oh and lets not act like Frank Mir didnt talk trash non stop before the fight.

Lesner is who he is mainly because the fan base hates him for being an outsider. I'd bet that if he was never in the WWE majority of hte fans would love him.

Most of the people who hate Brock also hate Mir. I don't like either one but in truth I'm thrilled to have them both around. Brock is arrogant, brash and obnoxious. In other words, he has everything needed to play the role of superstar villain.

dougdirt
07-12-2009, 08:54 PM
The fans last night in Mir's hometown of Vegas were booing the crap out of Lesnar all night. Frank Mir ran his mouth all the way leading up to the fight. Lesnar beat him like a rag doll for a round and a half. The fans then boo'd him some more so he told them how he felt about it. The guy is the best fighter in the sport right now, there is no way thats a bad thing.

GIDP
07-12-2009, 09:00 PM
Most of the people who hate Brock also hate Mir. I don't like either one but in truth I'm thrilled to have them both around. Brock is arrogant, brash and obnoxious. In other words, he has everything needed to play the role of superstar villain.

Still MMA fans are snobs. Its like the old crowd of baseball fans that want to scoff at any type of new stat. They hate him for his track to the tops.

11larkin11
07-12-2009, 09:57 PM
The fans last night in Mir's hometown of Vegas were booing the crap out of Lesnar all night. Frank Mir ran his mouth all the way leading up to the fight. Lesnar beat him like a rag doll for a round and a half. The fans then boo'd him some more so he told them how he felt about it. The guy is the best fighter in the sport right now, there is no way thats a bad thing.

I love Brock and loved his performance last night, the fight and post-fight, but I think guys like Fedor and Anderson Silva have something to say about him being the best fighter. I'll throw GSP in that too.

dougdirt
07-12-2009, 10:19 PM
I love Brock and loved his performance last night, the fight and post-fight, but I think guys like Fedor and Anderson Silva have something to say about him being the best fighter. I'll throw GSP in that too.

We will find out eventually, but I don't see him losing anytime soon. He is just bigger, faster and stronger than those guys.

11larkin11
07-12-2009, 10:22 PM
We will find out eventually, but I don't see him losing anytime soon. He is just bigger, faster and stronger than those guys.

Well he will never fight Silva or GSP, but I'm not sure he could take Fedor. Maybe once Fedor is too old to be good anymore, ala Coture/Liddel

Javy Pornstache
07-12-2009, 11:05 PM
Let's keep in mind that UFC was built by a guy who never shuts his mouth, has public spats with his own fighters, and intentionally tries to get a rise out of virtually everyone.

Dana White knows what he is doing. He pushed Brock to the top, bypassing the traditional dues paying, for a reason. Now he just needs a challenger people can get behind and pay to see beat the crap out of Brock, and it's buyrate heaven. Promoting 101, can't have a hero without first having a villain.

This. Speaking of Dana's ego, I literally LOL'd when I saw the cover of the UFC Magazine with HIM in a FIGHT POSE. He apparently has gotten ragged enough about it and said something along the lines of that the photogs had taken shots of Rampage, Anderson Silva, St. Pierre, maybe a few others, but "they" didn't like how the photos turned out, so "they" chose Dana's photo. One of those on hand denies this. Hah.

Like him or hate him, THAT'S the point - everyone feels one way or the other about Lesnar. Brock brings mainstream publicity, his shenanigans are not hurting MMA any worse than Bernard Hopkins telling Roy Jones Jr. he is going to murder all his chickens on his farm and stuff like that. Just more stuff to LOL at to me. I thought Lesnar's promo was tremendous.

WMR
07-12-2009, 11:12 PM
I would love to see Brock step into the octagon versus Anderson Silva and just get absolutely annihilated. They would never actually fight though due to weight differential, correct? I don't care how much bigger Brock is than Silva, I think he would get destroyed.

Stormy Weathers
07-12-2009, 11:17 PM
Brock is an unbelievable talent and is huge for the UFC with a lot of the big time fighters for many years getting old and about to be gone. The problem is no one from 205 can move up and challenge him and no one who is a heavyweight can challenge him. Fedor gets a lot of talk, but if anyone watches him closely he is not as impressive as people go on. He fights a bunch of guys who are past their prime. AA was murdering him, but he has a glass chin and Fedor got that sick punch in there. Fedor is only 230 and Brock would control him just like he did Mir. Fedor would put up a better fight than Mir did, but he wouldnt be able to overcome the size and strength difference. The only guy who probably has the size/strength/speed to compete with Brock is Lashley, but he needs a ton of experience before he will be a factor.

Javy Pornstache
07-12-2009, 11:21 PM
^ Andrei was landing some shots, but wasn't murdering Fedor. Have you watched any Fedor fights in the last 10 years? That's what he does, every time someone has an advantage of some fashion on him (Fujita rocking him with an overhand right, Randleman suplexing him on his head, Hunt mounting him and going for a kimura, Arlovski outboxing him at the start of the fight, etc etc) people say that the corner's being turned and the end of Fedor Emelianenko's reign as P4P best fighter in the world is over. It never is though.

Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez, especially Carwin, have the size and strength to compete with Brock in due time, but I don't think they're ready yet. Agreed on Lashley in due time as well.

gilpdawg
07-12-2009, 11:54 PM
I pretty much agree with everything Dave Meltzer said about it.
http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/9918/



--A ton of interesting reaction to last night. I'm going to give my old boxing speech with a little bit of a twist. Anyone who has ripped on every athlete who at times shows unsportsmanlike like behavior can say anything they want about Brock Lesnar and that's fine. For those who think that it is going to mean more people will tune out UFC than people he has hooked as fans who want to see him get beat, you are probably as dead wrong as the people who said the same thing about Ali. For those who think Lesnar was a disgrace to the UFC for doing WWE antics, read a real history lesson of how the sport got popular. Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie doing WWE interviews, and the funny thing is nobody was more arrogant on his interviews than Gracie, but he was small and beat big guys at first so he backed it up and became the first legend. Shamrock and Tito in 2002 saved UFC when it was one step from death. Did they save it because they were the top two fighters in the world on that night and all these sports fans wanted to pay to find out who was really No. 1?

No. They saved it because they went on "Best Damn Sports Show Period" and cut pro wrestling promos on each other and with no television at all, 150,000 people bought their PPV match, and the UFC owners realized that there was potential in this money losing outfit.

The real history that all the UFC historical retrospectives left out, was that it was the TV shows the two weeks before the Leben vs. Koscheck fight on Ultimate Fighter that was the real building blocks for the success of the sport, not the Griffin and Bonnar fight as has been reported in many places over the past week. Leben vs. Koscheck in a taped match in front of a dozen people in a warehouse like gym drew a higher rating than Griffin and Bonnar did.

In no way do I want to diminish that Griffin-Bonnar was the perfect fight on the perfect night and in the long-term helped more, because they delivered the great fight as opposed to just the great hype that delivered television ratings, but disappointed in the end. What was Matt Serra before Montreal? What was Frank Mir and Michael Bisping this past week? Play some tapes of Ali's promos for Frazier.

There are a lot of very good reasons not to like Brock Lesnar. But whatever media and Hardcore backlash there is against him, which admittedly is some of the most entertaining stuff in a long time, is because he's a former WWE wrestler, not for anything he did. Tank Abbott flipped off fans, and said he was sexually aroused when watching a replay of his match with Paul Varelans. Was Lesnar doing it anymore than Tito Ortiz and his Gay Mezger is my ***** T-shirt, or his grave digging, and take Ortiz out of the history of this sport (and some people are attempting to do that as we speak), and 2006's records never exist. Take 2006 out of the sport's history and you're at a completely different level of interest, media acceptance and CBS, Showtime, and others never get into this game in the first place. The most important fight in getting mainstream interest was a crap third fight with Ortiz and Shamrock. Buy rates mean something to company profitability, but in the media world, ratings are king, because it's a world they understand. What very slowly got the mainstream media into MMA, and as Dana White likes to remind me, took me from one place in life to another, is the media couldn't deny the ratings of the Ortiz-Shamrock match in 2006 on Spike when in 18-34 males it beat several games of that year's World Series. Was that the two best fighters in the world vying to see who was really No. 1? No, it was just a match that the two combatants and the promotion made people want to see more than any other match up to that point in history. And those viewers seeing that crap fight were so turned off by it, that a few months later, when the natural build led to Ortiz vs. Chuck Liddell, the company's bank account grew like never before.

We watched people piss in beds and piss in fruit and jack off on sushi, and guess what, more people still watched last night's PPV than any non-boxing event in history most likely. But some guy cutting a WWE-style promo, which Frank Mir and Michael Bisping both did better than he did on television over the past week, is going to turn off more people than he turns on. Hell, if guys in WWE were cutting WWE style promos as good as Mir, Bisping and Lesnar, WWE would be the one whose business would be turning around. When you actually think about the argument, it's almost absurd.

Could it hurt sanctioning in New York and Massachusetts? It's a weird world we live in and anything is possible. In a logical world, that punch Dan Henderson threw was 100 times worse, but you never know how things can mushroom. But I'm guessing it will have no effect. But you never know.

If you are consistent in your beliefs, that's cool. If you're a reactionary fool on this one, calm down and look at the world, and sports in general. When boxing people say what Lesnar did was worse than anything Mike Tyson did, I'm baffled. Did he bite a man's ear off? Did he threaten to eat any children? He cut the best and most talked about promo of his life and what will be the single most talked about promo of the year. And that's bad? Why, because he came from WWE? Why don't they blame the University of Minnesota while we're at it. Is anyone aware of how Lesnar acted as the U of M wrestling matches during his junior and senior year when they had dual meets against the other powers and fans booed him out of the small gyms? Dana White can say Lesnar was acting, and he has to, but he was just being himself, ratcheted up a few notches, because he is in the sports business, which is why he trained his ass off. But he's in the entertainment business, which is why 1 million or more people plucked down $45 last night.

Why is he now the biggest PPV draw in the world since Oscar De La Hoya is now retired? And by the way, when Oscar De La Hoya set his record two years ago, answer this question: Was the reason he set the record because he had an adversary who was or wasn't playing a villain role on purpose to drum up interest in his match?

Because Lesnar became a celebrity from WWE, and because of that, a lot of people like paying to see him fight, either to beat people up, or to get beat up. Who drew more new fans to the sport this past year, St. Pierre, Anderson Silva, Fedor or Lesnar?

Some great athletes really aren't nice guys. But that doesn't diminish them as athletes, nor hurt their sport one iota. In the plethora of stories, how many people mentioned how many new fans Lesnar has made for UFC with his fight with Mir and fight with Couture getting hundreds of thousands of first-time buyers? One of the key reasons UFC 100 is going to set records and has already started setting them even before the first PPV returns have come in, is because Brock Lesnar came from WWE and he can really fight. Guess what? The fact that some people look their noses up or have nervous breakdowns about the latter part of the statement is exactly the emotional reaction that makes him so valuable to the sport in the first place. No, it's not the WWE. You have to really be able to fight.

What Lesnar did by ripping on Bud Lite, particularly come so soon after the Dana White/Loretta Hunt deal, was absolutely bad for the company. That's the company'ss leading sponsor, and if I was Dana White, I'd be furious over that one. That was stupid, but I doubt Lesnar was aware of the White/Hunt thing and how everything went down from that. He was just trying to be funny, and actually, if it wasn't the lead sponsor and the timing wasn't absolutely horrible, it would have been funny. Hell, that was the one thing he said that almost the entire crowd cheered and laughed at live. But that line also had zero impact on fans paying money to see him beaten the next time he fights.

But for every MMA fan who criticizes Lesnar's behavior as bad for the sport, it was not even within an earshot of the two worst things of this past week. Just in the last few days, what did Quinton Jackson do a reporter? And then the professional fighter as opposed to a blowhard pro wrestler nearly got into a fight with another fighter at the show last night? Has Lesnar ever got in a situation while at ringside at a UFC show that he ever nearly came to blows with someone? And it's not like Jackson had a spotless track record over the last year. Or what if Lesnar did what Dan Henderson did, which was something a whole lot more significant?

But it got nowhere near the reaction. It's all about emotion and frame of reference. GSP is a babyface that people wanted to see win, and they were happy to see him do the right game plan to achieve his victory. Dan Henderson was there to shut up a loudmouth Brit who was obviously playing a role. And he shut him up, and then shut him up once time extra for bad measure. Lesnar was a heel people wanted to see lose, and were furious to see him succeeding with a game plan that was working. All of those elements were part of the emotions of the night. The goal, in the end, is to make people care.

The history of what has drawn the biggest PPV numbers, what made the sport and saved the sport is a lesson very much worth examining for anyone arguing about what is good or bad for the future of the sport. That duality of the reaction of the crowd live, and a large percentage of those who complained about Lesnar's tactics (but not all), says something pretty significant about MMA and its fan base.

That's not even a bad thing. But it's simply accepting the truth of what all of this is, as opposed to people who live in the world of pretend. And then somehow complain about pro wrestling

CTA513
07-13-2009, 02:49 AM
MMA fans wanted to see him fail from the start and he knows it.
Hes not going to keep his mouth shut and smile like so many other fighters do.

TeamSelig
07-13-2009, 02:49 AM
I would love to see Brock step into the octagon versus Anderson Silva and just get absolutely annihilated. They would never actually fight though due to weight differential, correct? I don't care how much bigger Brock is than Silva, I think he would get destroyed.

Brock Lesnar has 100 lbs on Silva. (185 to 285 if I'm not mistaken). I love ya WMR, but this is going to be my new sig. LOL. Sorry if I'm missing out on the sarcasm, it's hard to tell on here sometimes.

Stormy Weathers
07-13-2009, 08:00 AM
^ Andrei was landing some shots, but wasn't murdering Fedor. Have you watched any Fedor fights in the last 10 years? That's what he does, every time someone has an advantage of some fashion on him (Fujita rocking him with an overhand right, Randleman suplexing him on his head, Hunt mounting him and going for a kimura, Arlovski outboxing him at the start of the fight, etc etc) people say that the corner's being turned and the end of Fedor Emelianenko's reign as P4P best fighter in the world is over. It never is though.

Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez, especially Carwin, have the size and strength to compete with Brock in due time, but I don't think they're ready yet. Agreed on Lashley in due time as well.

Fedor never fights anyone who is the best fighter in their prime. he always fights these great guys past their prime. I watch almost all of Fedors fights either live or after the fact. The difference between the guys who has fought who were winning and if he fought Lesnar is Lesnars great wrestling ability will help a lot plus his weight advantage. If he gets Fedor on the ground he will control him and ground and pound him out.

gilpdawg
07-13-2009, 08:04 AM
The only way Lesnar can beat Fedor is if he knocks his head off right away. The longer it goes, the more chance Fedor will figure out a way to win. Brock would have to fight a perfect fight. Fedor doesn't miss an opportunity to get the upper hand.

Hoosier Red
07-13-2009, 10:45 AM
As someone who doesn't watch MMA, I think a distinction should be drawn between "mainstream" and "popular."

Reading the shenanigans, I would say they probably keep the sport from being "mainstream" but I doubt MMA was ever going be a mainstream sport that garnered as much attention as say the NBA or NFL.

However, this probably did help the sport become more popular as it draws fans away from boxing and wrestling.

Jpup
07-13-2009, 10:54 AM
Lesnar is the best thing to happen to UFC, maybe ever.

reds1869
07-13-2009, 11:07 AM
The Wall Street Journal has had three articles about the UFC on it's sports page in the past week, including an entertaining bit this morning. They all talk about Lesnar; he grabs people's attention. I'm starting to agree with Jpup, he's the best thing to happen to UFC. I still hate him, but in that "love to hate" sort of way that I hate the Steelers. I hope he is around for a long time.

Ltlabner
07-13-2009, 11:23 AM
As a recent convert to UFC/MMA I sort of see where CE is coming from.

I don't have a problem with Brock per se. However, if the trash talking goes from "standard" trash talking to WWE style story-lines and silliness, I think that's bad for UFC. If it goes from your "standard" pre-fight hype and hoopla to WWE style crap, that's bad for UFC.

I know it's impossible to define "standard" trash talking or hype, but it's storta like obscenity...you know it when you hear it. So that leaves it wide open. What CE thinks is WWE-esque WMR might not.

I don't know if this is making any sense, but in general, as long as it doesn't start getting a goofy WWE-vibe I think it's good for the sport. It's up to Dana, moreso than Brock to walk the fine line and keep the sport from becoming a sideshow.

Cyclone792
07-13-2009, 11:38 AM
IMO, Fedor would handle Lesnar. The vast range of skills and dominance that Fedor can shower upon an opponent is too much to handle, even for a guy like Lesnar. Carwin's also a legitimate threat, and a healthy Nog could put up a fight too (Nog was coming off a staph infection in his loss to Mir).

That much being said, until the UFC lands Fedor, it might be awhile until Lesnar is dethroned, though I think part of that has to do with there not being too many heavyweight challengers in the UFC at the moment.

A world class striker with excellent take-down defense could have some serious success picking apart Lesnar, perhaps a guy such as Cro Cop (check that, an aggressive Cro Cop, not a defensive Cro Cop). But even then, Cro Cop is giving up a ton of size so it'd be a tough match albeit an interesting one, IMO (FWIW, I've long thought that Cro Cop should just cut the weight and head to LHW).

M2
07-13-2009, 12:08 PM
As a recent convert to UFC/MMA I sort of see where CE is coming from.

I don't have a problem with Brock per se. However, if the trash talking goes from "standard" trash talking to WWE style story-lines and silliness, I think that's bad for UFC. If it goes from your "standard" pre-fight hype and hoopla to WWE style crap, that's bad for UFC.

I know it's impossible to define "standard" trash talking or hype, but it's storta like obscenity...you know it when you hear it. So that leaves it wide open. What CE thinks is WWE-esque WMR might not.

I don't know if this is making any sense, but in general, as long as it doesn't start getting a goofy WWE-vibe I think it's good for the sport. It's up to Dana, moreso than Brock to walk the fine line and keep the sport from becoming a sideshow.

I don't see anything wrong with "I'm going to kick your tail" promos. That's sort of the point of staging a fight in the first place. I've known high school wrestlers to cut promos and amp up a crowd too.

As long as we don't see guys in face paint or fabricated story lines, then all should be well.

Ltlabner
07-13-2009, 12:12 PM
I don't see anything wrong with "I'm going to kick your tail" promos. That's sort of the point of staging a fight in the first place. I've known high school wrestlers to cut promos and amp up a crowd too.

As long as we don't see guys in face paint or fabricated story lines, then all should be well.

Thank you. That's a much more succinct way of saying what I was trying to spit out.

TeamSelig
07-13-2009, 02:18 PM
Lesnar has a 7" reach on Fedor, which is pretty significant, especially with about 40 lbs added. Whoever is going to take out Lesnar will need some KO power and a good reach. This way they can try to avoid the take down, otherwise they have to come in too close.

But IMO the only way to beat Brock is to hope he makes a wide open mistake and go for the submission, ala Mir/Brock 1st fight. Problem is, the more fights he logs in, the better he gets.

WMR
07-13-2009, 02:28 PM
I'll readily admit that I'm a bit of a neophyte when it comes to MMA so maybe my comment about Anderson Silva and Lesnar was crazy. I've watched a bunch of Silva's fights however, and I just can't see Lesnar ever touching the guy if they actually got into the ring. I think Silva would end up hitting him with some sort of flying kick in the temple and knock his ass out.

Javy Pornstache
07-13-2009, 03:36 PM
IMO, Fedor would handle Lesnar. The vast range of skills and dominance that Fedor can shower upon an opponent is too much to handle, even for a guy like Lesnar. Carwin's also a legitimate threat, and a healthy Nog could put up a fight too (Nog was coming off a staph infection in his loss to Mir).

That much being said, until the UFC lands Fedor, it might be awhile until Lesnar is dethroned, though I think part of that has to do with there not being too many heavyweight challengers in the UFC at the moment.

A world class striker with excellent take-down defense could have some serious success picking apart Lesnar, perhaps a guy such as Cro Cop (check that, an aggressive Cro Cop, not a defensive Cro Cop). But even then, Cro Cop is giving up a ton of size so it'd be a tough match albeit an interesting one, IMO (FWIW, I've long thought that Cro Cop should just cut the weight and head to LHW).

Yes on Fedor handling Lesnar. Brock could be unbeatable in time, but it wasn't that long ago after all that he was caught by Mir in the kneebar. Fedor's been doing that to guys bigger than him for a decade. Fedor's made a career out of being patient and finding a way to win. Lesnar is a once-in-a-blue-moon type of athlete and genetic freak, no doubt about that. And as he tightens up his game, he could be the "next" Fedor.

On Mirko, I've agreed on the move to 205 for a while, however, that last fight he had against Al-Turk, he bulked up fairly substantially for that fight and LOOKED like a heavyweight for the first time. And looked good in the fight.

Ltlabner
07-13-2009, 09:52 PM
I'll readily admit that I'm a bit of a neophyte when it comes to MMA so maybe my comment about Anderson Silva and Lesnar was crazy. I've watched a bunch of Silva's fights however, and I just can't see Lesnar ever touching the guy if they actually got into the ring. I think Silva would end up hitting him with some sort of flying kick in the temple and knock his ass out.

I am also a neophyte but I'm watching the Silva/Franklin 2nd title fight (from Cincy) replayed on Spike.

I think Franklin is a total bad-ass. But it's only the first round (and IIRC Silva wins the fight) and Silva doesn't even look winded. He's dancing around dodging punches and I'm pretty sure he's not even sweating yet. Franklin got rocked and looks like a zombie.

kbrake
07-13-2009, 10:32 PM
Wish I would have seen this thread earlier. I think Lesnar is great for the UFC and MMA in general. Two days after the fight and it is still getting plenty of talk on ESPN something we havent really seen before. The sport has been looking for a face since Rampage ko'd Chuck and I think they have found it. Going after Bud Light was dumb but that was the only problem I had with Lesnar.

I think Lesnar could beat Fedor right now. I'm not saying I would put money on it but I think Lesnar would have a pretty good chance. I never felt like Fedor was in trouble with Arvloski and in no way thought he was getting murdered, but I think Lesnar could give Fedor some major trouble and I think we will see that fight fairly soon.

As for Cro Cop I'm not sure he has the appeal he once did and I wasnt impressed with him at all against Al-Turk. Guess we will get another look at UFC 103.

cincrazy
07-14-2009, 12:45 AM
UFC is being discussed about on a website dedicated to mainly baseball.

Brock Lesnar, therefore, is GOOD for UFC :).

kpresidente
07-17-2009, 09:12 PM
UFC is being discussed about on a website dedicated to mainly baseball.

Brock Lesnar, therefore, is GOOD for UFC :).

Yeah. This discussion is the first thing that's ever interested me about MMA. Even looked up some of these guys in Wikipedia.

Mario-Rijo
07-17-2009, 09:35 PM
UFC is being discussed about on a website dedicated to mainly baseball.

Brock Lesnar, therefore, is GOOD for UFC :).

You make a good point CC but this isn't your average Baseball board and we have had other threads discussing MMA before this one. But I do agree with your main point Lesnar is good for the UFC.