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OnBaseMachine
07-14-2009, 02:13 PM
Over on Lance McAlister's blog he's trying to put together a Reds All-Star team of the last 25 years. That's an interesting idea and I'm interested in seeing what Redszone's version would look like. I need a few minutes to think about this before I put my team together.

Will M
07-14-2009, 02:37 PM
C ---
1B Casey
2B Phillips
SS Larkin
3B Sabo
LF Dunn
CF Davis
CF Griffey (depsite his decline he had some good years here)
RF Reggie Sanders

SP Rijo
SP Harang
SP Browning
Thats it. We haven't been blessed with many good starters over the last 25 years. Tough to find guys with 3 years with ERA+s over 100.

RP Dibble
RP Franco
RP Charlton
RP Scott Sullivan (workhorse)
RP Weathers

cumberlandreds
07-14-2009, 02:48 PM
C Joe Oliver
1b Sean Casey
2b Brandon Phillips
SS Barry Larkin
3b Chris Sabo
LF Adam Dunn
CF Eric Davis
RF Paul O'Neill

SP Tom Browning
SP Danny Jackson
SP Jose Rijo
SP Aaron Harang
SP Eric Milton..........

Just seeing if you were paying attention :D

RP Rob Dibble
RP Danny Graves
RP Norm Charlton
RP Randy Myers
RP John Franco

OnBaseMachine
07-14-2009, 02:56 PM
OF Adam Dunn - .900 OPS, 270 homers, one All-Star appearance.

OF Eric Davis - .877 OPS, Gold Glove defense, two All-Star games, 203 HR, 270 stolen bases, unbelievable athlete.

OF Ken Griffey Jr. - .876 OPS, hit HR #400, #500, and #600 as a Red. Three All-Star appearances with Reds. 210 HR overall with the Reds.

OF Reggie Sanders - .829 OPS, 125 homers, 158 steals, one All-Star appearance. Very underrated player, IMO.

3B Chris Sabo - .775 OPS, 111+ OPS with Reds, won a World Series, three All-Star appearances, won Rookie of the Year.

SS Barry Larkin - by far the easiest selection so far. Spent all 19 seasons of his career in Cincinnati. Won a World Series, three Gold Gloves, a MVP, first 30/30 shortstop, 12 All-Star appearances.

2B Brandon Phillips - .782 OPS with Reds, one Gold Glove with potentially more to come, 30/30 season.

1B Sean Casey - I strongly considered Joey Votto here but I went with Casey because he played eight years with the Reds while Votto is only in his second full season. Casey posted an .834 OPS, hit 118 homers, made the All-Star team three times, and gave out plenty of hugs.

C Eddie Taubensee - Taubensee is one of my favorite Reds of all-time. Not only is he one of the nicest people I've met, he could hit too. In seven seasons with the Reds, Taubensee hit .286/.343/.460 - .803 OPS, including an .876 OPS in the 1999 season.

Bench:

C Jason LaRue (barely over Joe Oliver)
3B Buddy Bell
OF Dave Parker
OF Paul O'Neill
2B Bret Boone

Starting pitchers:

Jose Rijo - 97 wins, 2.83 ERA, 1478 innings, 1251 strikeouts, 138 ERA+

Aaron Harang - Very underrated. 68 wins, 4.18 ERA, 1183 innings, 998 strikeouts, 107 ERA+

Tom Browning - 123 wins, 3.92 ERA, 1911 innings, 997 strikeouts, 98 ERA+

Pete Harnisch - another favorite of mine. 39 wins, 3.89 ERA, 117 ERA+ in four seasons with the Reds.

Mario Soto - heck, why not. He was still very good in 1984 and 1985.

Relievers:

Rob Dibble
Randy Myers
Scott Sullivan
Scott Williamson
John Franco
Norm Charlton
Jeff Shaw

RANDY IN INDY
07-14-2009, 02:58 PM
C Joe Oliver
1b Sean Casey
2b Brett Boone
SS Barry Larkin
3B Buddy Bell
LF Ken Griffey Jr
CF Eric Davis
RF Dave Parker

Bench Eddie Taubensee
Bench Brandon Phillips
Bench Adam Dunn
Bench Greg Vaughn
Bench Chris Sabo
Bench Paul O'Neill
Bench Reggie Sanders

SP Mario Soto
SP Jose Rijo
SP Danny Jackson
SP Tom Browning
SP Aaron Harang

RP John Franco
RP Randy Myers
RP Rob Dibble
RP Norm Charlton
RP Danny Graves

wolfboy
07-14-2009, 03:08 PM
Does the criteria here weigh more toward single season greatness (like an All-Star game selection) or toward career greatness (like a HOF consideration)? Some guys, like Randy Myers or Greg Vaughn, didn't offer a lot over a career, but turned in some stellar single season performances.

hebroncougar
07-14-2009, 03:09 PM
C: Eddie Taubensee
1b: Hal Morris
2b: Bret Boone
SS: Barry Larkin
3B: Chris Sabo
LF: Adam Dunn
CF: Eric Davis
RF: Kevin Mitchell

Bench:
Oliver
Phillips
Griffey Jr.
O'Neill
Casey
Sanders

SP:
Jose Rijo
Tom Browning
Danny Jackson
Mario Soto
Aaron Harang

RP:
Rob Dibble
Norm Charlton
Randy Myers
John Franco
Jeff Shaw

OnBaseMachine
07-14-2009, 03:13 PM
Does the criteria here weigh more toward single season greatness (like an All-Star game selection) or toward career greatness (like a HOF consideration)? Some guys, like Randy Myers or Greg Vaughn, didn't offer a lot over a career, but turned in some stellar single season performances.

It doesn't really matter. You can put it together the way you want. :)

Mainspark
07-14-2009, 03:16 PM
Dave Parker's MVP-caliber season in 1985, along with a very good 1986 season and decent years in '84 and '87, make him my right fielder.

bucksfan2
07-14-2009, 03:17 PM
C Taubensee
1B Votto - Not a huge Casey fan. If Votto hadn't gone on the DL earlier this season his numbers would have been outstanding.
2B Phillips - Boone was a consideration but Phillips may be the best 2b not named Utley.
SS Larkin - Who else?
3B Sabo - Really the only long term Red that made an impact at 3b.
RF Sanders - Toss up between him and O'Niel. Was unstoppable until pitchers found out he couldn't hit a curve
CF Jr. - Cammeron had a good season as a Red but Jr. had a decent Red career.
RF Dunn - Its scary what could have happened if he continued to play to his first half of his only All Stat selection.

P Rijo - Injuries derailed his career. Was a favorite.
P Harang - Very steady pitcher who gets little hype.
P Browning - Good pitcher for the Reds
P Danny Jackson - Don't remember much of his time as a Red but I do remember him being good in 90

RP Dibble
RP Charlton
RP Graves
RP Williamson
RP Myers
RP Franco
RP Cordero
RP Sullivan

Its scary to look back and see how many good relief pitchers the Reds had.

reds1869
07-14-2009, 03:38 PM
C Taubensee
1B Votto
2B Phillips
SS Larkin
3B Sabo
LF Dunn
CF Davis
RF O'Neill

Bench:
Casey
Morris
Oliver
Griffey, Jr.
Aaron Boone

P Rijo
P Browning
P Soto
P Harang--just dependable and gets the job done more often than not.
P Jackson

Pen:
Dibble
Charlton
Graves
Cordero
Sullivan
Myers
Shaw

wolfboy
07-14-2009, 04:08 PM
It doesn't really matter. You can put it together the way you want. :)

My post was in reference to the original blog topic. Of course, you are right, it doesn't really matter. :D

Orenda
07-14-2009, 04:13 PM
starters
c 1999 Eddie Taubensee
1b 2008 Joey Votto - fans cry for a recount after Votto edges out "the mayor"
2b 1992 Bip Roberts - if only Dusty had a fast guy like Bip to put at the top of the lineup
ss 1996 Barry Larkin- just pick a year
3b 1991 Chris Sabo- the reds haven't had much at 3b
LF 2004 Adam Dunn - The numbers edge out popularity as I choose Dunn over personal favorites Greg Vaughn, Kevin Mitchell, and Ron Gant
CF 1987 Eric Davis - too young to remember him in his prime but would have liked to have seen him before the injuries.
RF 1995 Reggie Sanders - as long as its not the postseason and he needs to make contact with a pitch
P- 1993 Jose Rijo

the bench
c 1995 Benito Santiago
1b 1999 Sean Casey
2b 2007 Brandon Phillips
ss 2005 Felipe Lopez
utility infielder 2006 Rich Aurillia
OF 2000 Ken Griffey Jr.
OF 1999 Greg Vaughn

the arms
1988 Danny Jackson
1988 Tom Browning
1995 Pete Schourek
2006 Aaron Harang
2009 Coco Cordero
1999 Scott Williamson
1990 Rob Dibble
1997 Jeff Shaw

PuffyPig
07-14-2009, 04:26 PM
CP Danny Jackson - Don't remember much of his time as a Red but I do remember him being good in 90




I think it was 1988 when he had his career year.

TRF
07-14-2009, 04:47 PM
C - LaRue
1B Casey
2B Pokey Reese
3B Chris Sabo
SS Larkin
LF Dunn
CF Davis
RF Reggie Sanders (1995 post season be damned)

Bench
Joe Oliver
Brandon Phillips (BP is the consensus starter, but Pokey's defense was other worldly.)
Paul O'Neil
Ryan Freel (supersub)
Hal Morris
Dmitri Young
SP Jose Rijo
SP Aaron Harang
SP Edinson Volquez
SP Pete Harnisch
SP Tom Browning

RP Scott Williamson
RP Rob Dibble
RP Jeff Shaw
RP Jeff Brantley
RP Danny Graves
RP Randy Myers

Hoosier Red
07-14-2009, 04:51 PM
I think it was 1988 when he had his career year.

It was. I think he would have won the Cy Young that year if Hershieser hadn't run off 59 straight scoreless innings. What a jerk.

wolfboy
07-14-2009, 04:52 PM
starters
c 1999 Eddie Taubensee
1b 2008 Joey Votto - fans cry for a recount after Votto edges out "the mayor"
2b 1992 Bip Roberts - if only Dusty had a fast guy like Bip to put at the top of the lineup
ss 1996 Barry Larkin- just pick a year
3b 1991 Chris Sabo- the reds haven't had much at 3b
LF 2004 Adam Dunn - The numbers edge out popularity as I choose Dunn over personal favorites Greg Vaughn, Kevin Mitchell, and Ron Gant
CF 1987 Eric Davis - too young to remember him in his prime but would have liked to have seen him before the injuries.
RF 1995 Reggie Sanders - as long as its not the postseason and he needs to make contact with a pitch
P- 1993 Jose Rijo

the bench
c 1995 Benito Santiago
1b 1999 Sean Casey
2b 2007 Brandon Phillips
ss 2005 Felipe Lopez
utility infielder 2006 Rich Aurillia
OF 2000 Ken Griffey Jr.
OF 1999 Greg Vaughn

the arms
1988 Danny Jackson
1988 Tom Browning
1995 Pete Schourek
2006 Aaron Harang
2009 Coco Cordero
1999 Scott Williamson
1990 Rob Dibble
1997 Jeff Shaw

I had forgotten how scary good Kevin Mitchell was during his limited stints with the Reds. In '93, he posted a .385/.601/.986 line. In '94, he topped that with .429/.681/1.110. Granted, IIRC, he was a complete embarrassment in the field and he could never seem to stay in the lineup, but those are some crazy numbers.

Speaking of scary and/or crazy, "Dwight Gooden's Cat" sponsors Mitchell's baseball-reference page. The message is: "Steak knives and crack don't mix... I found out the hard way." As I was saying, I'd really forgotten about Kevin Mitchell. I guess there was a reason.

RedFanAlways1966
07-14-2009, 05:02 PM
SP Rijo
SP Harang
SP Browning
Thats it. We haven't been blessed with many good starters over the last 25 years. Tough to find guys with 3 years with ERA+s over 100.

I don't think I have seen mention of John Smiley as a starter...

ERA+ with REDS
1993 = 72
1994 = 108
1995 = 120
1996 = 117

Matt700wlw
07-14-2009, 08:37 PM
Manager - Davey Johnson

Yes, I'm very aware of what happened in 1990. :)

cincinnati chili
07-15-2009, 01:24 AM
I think it was 1988 when he had his career year.

That rotation was called Jackson, Browning, and 3 days of frowning.

deltachi8
07-15-2009, 10:12 PM
c: Joe Oliver
1b: Casey
2b: Bip Roberts
ss: Larkin
3b: Sabo (almost picked Aaron Boone here)
lf: Adam Dunn
cf: Eric Davis
rf: Dave Parker

sp: Jose Rijo
sp: Danny Jackson
sp: John Smiley
sp: Aaron Harang
sp: Tom Browning
rp: Rob Dibble
rp: Norm Charlton
rp: John Franco
rp: Randy Myers
rp: Scott Sullivan
rp: Jeff Shaw

b: Eddie Taubansee
b: Brandon Phillips
b: Kevin Mitchell
b: Ken Griffey, Jr
b: Brett Boone
b: Reggie Sanders

manager: Davey Johnson

M2
07-15-2009, 10:21 PM
C - Jason LaRue
1B - Hal Morris
2B - Brandon Phillips
SS - Barry Larkin
3B - Chris Sabo
LF - Adam Dunn
CF - Eric Davis
RF - Dave Parker

Rotation - Jose Rijo, Tom Browning, John Smiley, Aaron Harang, Danny Jackson

Bullpen - John Franco, Rob Dibble, Randy Myers, Norm Charlton, Scott Williamson, Jeff Shaw

Scrap Irony
07-15-2009, 10:47 PM
Mitchell gets short shrift among many modern-day fans. In his 225 games in Cincinnati, he has a 172 OPS+, with almost as many walks as K's. Scary good for half a season, he was.

Mainspark
07-16-2009, 12:55 AM
Mitchell was on his way to an incredible season in '94 when the strike ended that season abruptly. That year's team is generally forgotten when people rank the best Reds squads of the post-Big Red Machine era; I genuinely believe they might have won it all.

Jpup
07-16-2009, 10:35 AM
Mitchell was on his way to an incredible season in '94 when the strike ended that season abruptly. That year's team is generally forgotten when people rank the best Reds squads of the post-Big Red Machine era; I genuinely believe they might have won it all.

Montreal was great that year too.

_Sir_Charles_
07-16-2009, 11:46 AM
I'm surprised at how few mentioned Mario Soto. 25 years ago would be his 1984 campaign. An all star that year and 6th in the Cy Young voting. He's on my list for sure.

Big Klu
07-16-2009, 09:38 PM
c: Joe Oliver
1b: Casey
2b: Bip Roberts
ss: Larkin
3b: Sabo (almost picked Aaron Boone here)
lf: Adam Dunn
cf: Eric Davis
rf: Dave Parker

sp: Jose Rijo
sp: Danny Jackson
sp: John Smiley
sp: Aaron Harang
sp: Tom Browning
rp: Rob Dibble
rp: Norm Charlton
rp: John Franco
rp: Randy Myers
rp: Scott Sullivan
rp: Jeff Shaw

b: Eddie Taubansee
b: Brandon Phillips
b: Kevin Mitchell
b: Ken Griffey, Jr
b: Brett Boone
b: Reggie Sanders

manager: Davey Johnson

I think I would go with Mario Soto over John Smiley, and Aaron Boone over Bret Boone, but overall I like your list.

cincinnati chili
07-24-2009, 11:03 AM
C - Jason LaRue
1B - Hal Morris
2B - Brandon Phillips
SS - Barry Larkin
3B - Chris Sabo
LF - Adam Dunn
CF - Eric Davis
RF - Dave Parker

Rotation - Jose Rijo, Tom Browning, John Smiley, Aaron Harang, Danny Jackson

Bullpen - John Franco, Rob Dibble, Randy Myers, Norm Charlton, Scott Williamson, Jeff Shaw

This is the best list yet.

Casey and Morris are closer than I realized until I looked back at the numbers.

I'd go Taubensee over LaRue, defensive deficiencies notwithstanding, unless you could guarantee me that LaRue would repeat his 2005 ad nauseum.

Also, if this were a 30-year team instead of a 25-year team, Soto would need to be on it somewhere.