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Red in Chicago
07-18-2009, 06:17 PM
Per Fay:

Taveras 8
Hairston 7
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Encarnacion 5
Gomes 9
Hanigan 2
Rosales 6
Harang 1

RH Harang (5-9, 4.18 vs. LH Manny Parra (3-8, 6.78)

Big Klu
07-18-2009, 07:48 PM
I don't like Gomes in RF. I don't think he has enough range. I can live with limited range in LF, but not in CF or RF. Gomes should play LF, and Dickerson/Nix/Hairston should play RF.

Kc61
07-18-2009, 07:56 PM
Rosales at shortstop and Gomes in right. Hope it works out.

I see Mr. Hanigan is getting some more playing time, good for him.

KoryMac5
07-18-2009, 08:01 PM
Nice to see Edwin in the 5 slot.

KoryMac5
07-18-2009, 08:10 PM
Harang needs to be on the money tonight especially with Braun out.

KoryMac5
07-18-2009, 08:18 PM
Harang with a nice 1,2,3 inning. He used his breaking ball really well with Mcgehee.

-C. Counsell flied out to left
- M. Cameron flied out to right center
- C. McGehee struck out looking

VR
07-18-2009, 08:20 PM
Reds need to tear this guy a new one.

VR
07-18-2009, 08:21 PM
Rivera is a sub 25% CS guy for his career. '

/run.

GAC
07-18-2009, 08:24 PM
Thank God Hairston has never caught, or Baker would also have him behind the plate. Unless there is something wrong with CDick, why play JHJ over him?

And I'll take Janish over Rosales at SS.

VR
07-18-2009, 08:26 PM
Taveras single.
Hairston goes 3-2, fouls off 4 more pitches, then walks.

mbgrayson
07-18-2009, 08:27 PM
JHJ draws a walk on the 10th pitch of the AB. Two on, no outs...Votto up...

KoryMac5
07-18-2009, 08:27 PM
Jerry worked for that walk.

VR
07-18-2009, 08:30 PM
Votto goes 3-2 as well, fouls off 2, then grounds out to 2nd. Runners were going....2nd and 3rd with 1 out.

mbgrayson
07-18-2009, 08:31 PM
Parra is 19 pitches into the game and has finally got an out, as Votto bounces out to 2nd. JHJ and WT were running, so they were advanced to 2nd and 3rd....

VR
07-18-2009, 08:33 PM
BP, donning a red and white lei, says "Aloha" and k's on a pitch very low and very inside.

KoryMac5
07-18-2009, 08:34 PM
Good pitch to get Phillips to K

VR
07-18-2009, 08:37 PM
EE goes down looking on a pitch 6 inches outside.

Harang got the same call in the top of the 1st, oh well.

mbgrayson
07-18-2009, 08:37 PM
Parra threw 31 pitches in the 1st, but escapes without giving up any runs...

KoryMac5
07-18-2009, 08:37 PM
Frustrating as we have seen this all year, man on third 1 out and Reds fail to score.

Homer Bailey
07-18-2009, 08:37 PM
What an incredibly terrible call.

Raisor
07-18-2009, 08:41 PM
Harang with a nice 1,2,3 inning. He used his breaking ball really well with Mcgehee.



Don't make me angry Mister McGe(he)e. You wouldn't like me if I was angry.

mbgrayson
07-18-2009, 08:41 PM
EE goes down looking on a pitch 6 inches outside.

Harang got the same call in the top of the 1st, oh well.

On TV it looked outside to me too. Here is what Gameday showed:
http://www.graysonlawfirm.com/ee.jpg

VR
07-18-2009, 08:43 PM
Harang with a very efficient 10 pitch inning. 22 through 2.

mbgrayson
07-18-2009, 08:53 PM
Rosales doubles with two down, and is stranded as Harang bounces out to 2nd.

Parra up to 52 pitches after two innings, Harang only at 22.

VR
07-18-2009, 08:55 PM
Runge really calling those outside pitches for strikes tonight.

Ground out to SS for Hardy, one down.

mbgrayson
07-18-2009, 09:00 PM
No score through 2 and a half.

Harang gets them 1-2-3 again. He is at only 37 pitches after three.

VR
07-18-2009, 09:03 PM
K # 1,000 as a Red for Harang. :beerme:

KoryMac5
07-18-2009, 09:03 PM
Willy T 2 for 2 tonight, reaches on the cue shot.

VR
07-18-2009, 09:03 PM
Taveras with a swinging bunt for a hit.

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VR
07-18-2009, 09:05 PM
Amazing.

Not sure how he though he was a 100 steal guy?

TRF
07-18-2009, 09:05 PM
well, he ran.

SirFelixCat
07-18-2009, 09:07 PM
Amazing.

Not sure how he though he was a 100 steal guy?

Seriously, the guy has HORRIBLE base running instincts. Just an all-around black hole for the Reds. Plain and simple.

kaldaniels
07-18-2009, 09:08 PM
Amazing.

Not sure how he though he was a 100 steal guy?

His batting was to be expected...his running game has terribly dissapointed me.

Stormy
07-18-2009, 09:09 PM
Thank God Hairston has never caught, or Baker would also have him behind the plate. Unless there is something wrong with CDick, why play JHJ over him?

And I'll take Janish over Rosales at SS.

You'd think a half season of boasting perhaps the worst overall offense in the NL would be enough to compel Dusty to reconsider his speed at the top of the order, OBP at the bottom, inversion. Dusty doesn't know the meaning of the word adaptation though, so I wouldn't expect many adjustments in which personnel he uses, or how he uses them.

KoryMac5
07-18-2009, 09:10 PM
Willy T had all sorts of problems reading Parra's move in the first. Nice to see his powers of observation paid off.

Stormy
07-18-2009, 09:13 PM
Amazing.

Not sure how he though he was a 100 steal guy?

He's a '100 steal guy' in the same way that he's a 'prototype lead off hitter' or a 'natural centerfielder'... :)

CTA513
07-18-2009, 09:14 PM
1-0 Brewers after Counsell hits a GABP homer.

VR
07-18-2009, 09:14 PM
Craig freaking Counsell.

mbgrayson
07-18-2009, 09:15 PM
Not sure how he though he was a 100 steal guy?

Well, he is a 100 steal guy. It will just take him a few years to do it....
;)

VR
07-18-2009, 09:15 PM
Wily Taveras is a lousy CF to boot.

KoryMac5
07-18-2009, 09:15 PM
So this is going to be the inning where the wheels come off for Harang?

Stormy
07-18-2009, 09:16 PM
Nice to hear Welsh criticizing Taveras' discombobulated reads, jumps and routes in CF.

Mario-Rijo
07-18-2009, 09:19 PM
Welsh commenting on scouts at the park and more specifically the number of them. Saying "lately", saying there is 2-3 times more scouts than usual (about 12-13 of them) even for this time of the year. Including teams that maybe shouldn't have scouts there like the Nats, Angels & Orioles.

VR
07-18-2009, 09:20 PM
A little surprised Hanigan or Pole haven't been out there yet.

CTA513
07-18-2009, 09:21 PM
Nice to hear Welsh criticizing Taveras' discombobulated reads, jumps and routes in CF.

But hes got all kinds of speed and range.


:p:

VR
07-18-2009, 09:21 PM
Please help me understand who the pitching coach is?!

Get your butt out there!

KoryMac5
07-18-2009, 09:22 PM
Harang hasn't had it in 2 seasons, I would be selling on his stock but I don't think the way he is pitching you could get much for him.

Stormy
07-18-2009, 09:23 PM
Complete implosion by Harang. When a guy is suddenly elevating his offspeed pitches to that degree, I'm not sure how you wait 5 batters to go out there and seek to rectify it. He was still hanging the curve, even on that flyout to LF.

GAC
07-18-2009, 09:24 PM
Boy the train sure did come off the tracks really fast.

4-0 and I'm off to watch another disaster movie that has better special effects and won't put me to sleep. ;)

CTA513
07-18-2009, 09:24 PM
Better defense and the could have been just a 1 or 2 run inning.

VR
07-18-2009, 09:24 PM
Harang could use an injection of piss and vinegar before each start.

VR
07-18-2009, 09:28 PM
Better defense and the could have been just a 1 or 2 run inning.

Indeed. Taveras, Gomes, Harang could have garnered 4 outs between their 3 balls hit their way.

CTA513
07-18-2009, 09:32 PM
Indeed. Taveras, Gomes, Harang could have garnered 4 outs between their 3 balls hit their way.

Can't afford to play bad defense as much as they do when you have this offense.

Blitz Dorsey
07-18-2009, 09:36 PM
I love it. It's Manny Parra -- who the Brewers had to send to the minors not too long ago because he was such a train wreck -- that is able to hang in there mentally and not fall apart. Harang on the other hand is giving the Reds exactly what he's given most of the year: not very much. That fourth inning was a joke. And he's lucky the official scorer gave him a gift error or all four runs would have been earned.

Blitz Dorsey
07-18-2009, 09:38 PM
Harang just can't handle that noted slugger Craig Counsell tonight. A HR and a double now from Pujols, er, Counsell.

VR
07-18-2009, 09:38 PM
Craig Freaking Counsell

CTA513
07-18-2009, 09:40 PM
Everyone watch as the Brewers try to add on instead of sleep walking.

Blitz Dorsey
07-18-2009, 09:42 PM
Harang could use an injection of piss and vinegar before each start.

Yeah, his laid-back SoCal attitude doesn't help the situation. Just very disappointed in all aspects about Aaron Harang. I hear no one on the team works harder at their hitting. Time to work at what he's paid to do. Which is not get shelled every other time out.

VR
07-18-2009, 09:42 PM
Huge recovery. Now please hit. Please.

VR
07-18-2009, 09:48 PM
Great bunt by Harang....that should be a hit.

VR
07-18-2009, 09:49 PM
Fielder to Harang 'f....you'

Interesting.

VR
07-18-2009, 09:55 PM
Hairston with a single.....Votto, representing the tying run, k's on a pitch up in the zone.

Homer Bailey
07-18-2009, 09:57 PM
This team is simply hysterical.

VR
07-18-2009, 09:57 PM
Phillips has two on for the 2nd time tonight.

That being said, he promptly k's again.

CTA513
07-18-2009, 09:58 PM
Still no real signs of the offense showing up.

mbgrayson
07-18-2009, 10:00 PM
Reds 3 and 4 hole hitters are 0 for 5, with one BB. They have K'd three times, and have left 9 runners on base between them.

mbgrayson
07-18-2009, 10:16 PM
Parra at 120 pitches now.

CTA513
07-18-2009, 10:19 PM
4-1 Brewers after 6 innings

Someone wake the Reds up.

mbgrayson
07-18-2009, 10:20 PM
Through 6 innings, Brewers 4, Reds 1.

Both starters are still in the game.
Harang 97 pitches, 59 strikes, 7 hits, 2 BBs, 6 Ks.
Parra 125 pitches, 78 strikes, 5 hits, 3 BBs, 6 Ks.

CTA513
07-18-2009, 10:25 PM
1-2-3 7th inning for Harang

CTA513
07-18-2009, 10:28 PM
Harangs final line: 7 Innings, 7 Hits, 4 Runs (3 ER), 2 BB, 7 K - 107 pitches

mbgrayson
07-18-2009, 10:29 PM
Parra goes back to the mound in the bottom of the 7th. Reds pull Harang, who is first up, and announce Chris Dickerson as the pinch hitter. Macha then pulls Parra, and brings in Todd Coffey to face the left handed Dickerson....

traderumor
07-18-2009, 10:35 PM
It's raining. Game called because of boredom.

CTA513
07-18-2009, 10:38 PM
Another easy inning against the Reds offense.

4-1 Brewers after 7 innings

redsmetz
07-18-2009, 10:38 PM
It's raining. Game called because of boredom.

So there's an actual rain delay now, right?

CTA513
07-18-2009, 10:42 PM
So there's an actual rain delay now, right?

Yeah but they might as well call it unless the Reds offense plans to show up during the delay.

redsmetz
07-18-2009, 11:07 PM
Yeah but they might as well call it unless the Reds offense plans to show up during the delay.

I'm not sure that's generally expect on a daily basis this season, is it? As much as I would have liked to have seen what this club could have accomplished without the injuries that have gone around (and clearly the club had deficiencies), there is no question that this is one club which has little chance of making comebacks. I think they've only come back in two games all season, although two of the six losses recently saw them come back more than they've done any other time. Still it falls short. Maybe somebody's banging heads. If I was Harang I'd do it (or at least sue for non-support).

Screwball
07-18-2009, 11:11 PM
Harang on the other hand is giving the Reds exactly what he's given most of the year: not very much.

Yeah, his 106 ERA+ has been pretty crippling to the team. Same with the 6 shutout innings tonight.

kaldaniels
07-18-2009, 11:59 PM
Yeah, his 106 ERA+ has been pretty crippling to the team. Same with the 6 shutout innings tonight.

Whaaaa...I'm a Harang fan but you didn't just describe his 7 IP 4 runs 3 earned (E on Harang) as "6 shutout innings" did you?

mbgrayson
07-19-2009, 12:04 AM
Yeah, that 4th inning doesn't really count. If we take the median value of the runs per inning tonight, it would be zero for Harang.

Edskin
07-19-2009, 12:12 AM
You know you are sick when you are really tired and want to go to bed, but you don't let yourself because you keep checking the game thread on RZ to see if they are going to announce when the game will resume even though you are pretty positive it might take the Reds two more GAMES to score the necessary 4 runs to win, much less two more innings.

Yet, here I sit, hitting refresh.

A sickness.

reds44
07-19-2009, 12:20 AM
Radar clearing out, any idea when we're gonna restart?

reds44
07-19-2009, 12:21 AM
And to answer my own question:


Tarp coming off now, as rain has about quit. We went into a rain delay about 9:35 p.m. with Brewers up 4-1 through 7 full innings.

BCubb2003
07-19-2009, 12:24 AM
You know you are sick when you are really tired and want to go to bed, but you don't let yourself because you keep checking the game thread on RZ to see if they are going to announce when the game will resume even though you are pretty positive it might take the Reds two more GAMES to score the necessary 4 runs to win, much less two more innings.

Yet, here I sit, hitting refresh.

A sickness.


You're free to stroll around the grounds and even talk to the other patients.

reds44
07-19-2009, 12:25 AM
And I just read my post, and it didn't answer my question. Game will resume at 1135.

WVRedsFan
07-19-2009, 12:35 AM
It's funny. In games before tonight, Traveras and Hairston would make quick outs, Votto would get a hit and Phillips would do nothing leading to no scores. Tonight, Taveras and Hairston hit and no one else did save Rosales. This team mystifies me.

Doc. Scott
07-19-2009, 12:36 AM
Herrera whiffs Prince Fielder with a 68-mph curveball. I love it.

WVRedsFan
07-19-2009, 12:38 AM
Good inning for Danny Ray.

mbgrayson
07-19-2009, 12:39 AM
1-2-3 Eighth for Herrera.

reds44
07-19-2009, 12:40 AM
Runs, please.

Doc. Scott
07-19-2009, 12:42 AM
Interesting. Coffey stays in after the rain delay. He starts by catching Votto looking.

reds44
07-19-2009, 12:42 AM
Boy do I hate Todd Coffey.

WVRedsFan
07-19-2009, 12:43 AM
Fans left are cheering Coffey against the home team. Shameful.

membengal
07-19-2009, 12:43 AM
This version of Todd Coffey is Exhibit "R" in the continuing indictment of the Cincy pitching coach...

VR
07-19-2009, 12:44 AM
You know you are sick when you are really tired and want to go to bed, but you don't let yourself because you keep checking the game thread on RZ to see if they are going to announce when the game will resume even though you are pretty positive it might take the Reds two more GAMES to score the necessary 4 runs to win, much less two more innings.

Yet, here I sit, hitting refresh.

A sickness.


When the game resumes.....Todd Coffey strikes out Joey Votto. Did you see that in your nightmares?

WVRedsFan
07-19-2009, 12:46 AM
Anemic offense against a pitcher who got killed by everyone when with the Reds.

Something doesn't add up here. How daggone many pitchers who stunk up the place in Cincinnati go elsewhere and become world beaters?

reds44
07-19-2009, 12:48 AM
Nick Masset has been awful lately.

CTA513
07-19-2009, 12:49 AM
Just another easy inning for the opposing pitcher.

Ron Madden
07-19-2009, 12:49 AM
Well, it looks like this ones over. :(

WVRedsFan
07-19-2009, 12:50 AM
Votto, Phillips, Encarnacion, Gomes, and Hannigan = 0-16.

Masset, true to form with the rest of the staff, gives up a home run to make it 5-1, making it darn near impossible for the Reds to win (if it wasn't already, which it was).

Ron Madden
07-19-2009, 12:58 AM
Wow, tonights game was sold out.

VR
07-19-2009, 12:59 AM
Votto, Phillips, Encarnacion, Gomes, and Hannigan = 0-16.

Masset, true to form with the rest of the staff, gives up a home run to make it 5-1, making it darn near impossible for the Reds to win (if it wasn't already, which it was).

1-18!

VR
07-19-2009, 01:02 AM
Did Rosales see a strike there?

WVRedsFan
07-19-2009, 01:02 AM
Reds hitters are so stupid. Same pitch over and over and Hannigan and Rosales still swing away. Good Grief.

reds44
07-19-2009, 01:04 AM
What an awful inning by a pathetic offense.

If Hanigan and everybody's all-american Rosales go up without a bat it's bases loaded nobody out.

WVRedsFan
07-19-2009, 01:04 AM
Nix looks at strike 3 for a rightful end to this mess. Reds lose 5-1.

VR
07-19-2009, 01:05 AM
Tough game, but you just can't expect to score a lot of runs on Parra....he of the 6.75 era coming in.

WVRedsFan
07-19-2009, 01:07 AM
Edwin came down to earth tonight, but it wouldn't have made any difference anyway. Against left handers, this team is helpless. A flaw known about for a long time and still no solution has been found while we sign non-hitting center fielders and sore-armed pitchers to nice contracts.

reds44
07-19-2009, 01:09 AM
Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo are getting paid a truck load of money to be average.

CTA513
07-19-2009, 01:11 AM
Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo are getting paid a truck load of money to be average.

They fit right in with the rest of the team.

WVRedsFan
07-19-2009, 02:17 AM
Truth is, Arroyo is so up and down, it's hard to put a label on him Harang is usually pretty solid and has been except for a couple of blowups. If the defense (iow's if we had a good fielding infield and outfield) was better, Harang would have given up on two runs and still lost. The pressure from that is probably more than we know and does effect performancem but let's get to the crux of the problem.

I'm going to get curcified for this, but Wayne Krivisy will go down in history as the guy who gave more early to so many he should get a lifetime welfare card. I think everyone was happy that he tied up those two, but he did it one year too early. And gave too much money. He did the same with many others, who many shrug off by saying that's what you pay for MLB talent, but I would say they talent was suspect. I'm not going to fault Harang or Arroyo or Freel or Castro or Cromier or Stanton or anyone for taking the money now or ever. It was offered. Same goes for Jerry Narron.

Harang and Arroyo certainly aren't the worst deals for performance in MLB, that's for sure. That said, they aren't the best either.

Screwball
07-19-2009, 03:44 AM
Whaaaa...I'm a Harang fan but you didn't just describe his 7 IP 4 runs 3 earned (E on Harang) as "6 shutout innings" did you?

Well I thought the point was obvious. He had 1 bad inning (that was defense related no less) and it shouldn't lead folks to make statements that he's given the Reds next to nothing this year.