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reds44
07-20-2009, 07:57 PM
Willy Taveras 8
Jerry Hairston Jr. 6
Joey Votto 3
Brandon Phillips 4
Laynce Nix 7
Edwin Encarnacion 5
Chris Dickerson 9
Ryan Hanigan 2
Micah Owings 1

Jason Schmidt is pitching for LA. It's his first start in over two years.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:06 PM
Is Thom or Georgey poo doing the game?

nate
07-20-2009, 11:08 PM
It's George and his dulcet tones.

GADawg
07-20-2009, 11:08 PM
I think I would've still gone with Gomes...platoons wear me out...I'd like to see what Nix or Gomes have to offer over at least a little extended period

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:09 PM
It's George and his dulcet tones.
Vin Scully it is.

GADawg
07-20-2009, 11:10 PM
It's George and his dulcet tones.

'ole George has a very irritating man-love for every star of every opposing team

nate
07-20-2009, 11:11 PM
Chat is open!

11larkin11
07-20-2009, 11:11 PM
We have a real good 1-2-3 in the lineup tonight.

Too bad they're battin 7-8-9

(Not a lineup complaint :) )

GADawg
07-20-2009, 11:13 PM
I guess Jason Schmidt DID make that left turn at Albuquerque

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:13 PM
What an AB from WT.

Leadoff triple.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:13 PM
Taveras triples to lead off the game

11larkin11
07-20-2009, 11:14 PM
Willy Taveras...wow

Edit: Thats a HR

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:15 PM
And we are under review.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:15 PM
Umps are going to review to see where it hit the wall

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:16 PM
Looks like it was in play to me.

RedFanAlways1966
07-20-2009, 11:16 PM
Let me see...

(1) HR kills a rally?
(2) Triple means we rely on the REDS to hit w/ RISP?

I'll take the rally killer.

11larkin11
07-20-2009, 11:17 PM
Kudos to Willy, though, for legging it out and not jogging for a Casey (long single off the wall).

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:18 PM
I am listening to the Dodgers broadcast and Vin just said the Reds have not won a game in LA since July 2005.

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:18 PM
Once again, the call goes against the Reds.

guttle11
07-20-2009, 11:19 PM
Yes! Welsh just went rally killer.

Record time!

Chip R
07-20-2009, 11:19 PM
Let me see...

(1) HR kills a rally?
(2) Triple means we rely on the REDS to hit w/ RISP?

I'll take the rally killer.


Welsh doesn't.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:19 PM
Yes! Welsh just went rally killer.

Record time!
Dumbest. Saying. Ever.

11larkin11
07-20-2009, 11:19 PM
Welsh says lead off HRs are rally killers, he'd rather have the triple.

Has he watched this team bat with RISP?

Prove me wrong!

redsmetz
07-20-2009, 11:19 PM
I am listening to the Dodgers broadcast and Vin just said the Reds have not won a game in LA since July 2005.

Saw that in the paper this morning.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:20 PM
JHJ is taking victims down the 3rd base line.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:22 PM
Solid start.

1-0

Get him home too.

11larkin11
07-20-2009, 11:22 PM
Reds pounding that LF wall

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:22 PM
Hairston doubles down the left field line. 1-0 Reds!

Chip R
07-20-2009, 11:23 PM
Schmidt might be done for if the Reds are hitting him this hard. Especially Tavares.

11larkin11
07-20-2009, 11:23 PM
Didnt know Juan Castro was starting at 2nd tonight! Yes!!

RedFanAlways1966
07-20-2009, 11:24 PM
I am listening to the Dodgers broadcast and Vin just said the Reds have not won a game in LA since July 2005.

About a week shy of 4 years...

July 28, 2005. 6-1 win.
* Jason LaRue 2-for-3 with 2 HRs and 5 RBIs.
* Brandon Claussen 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER.

The day before the REDS won 7-6 over the Dodgers... Ryan Freel had 5 stolen bases.

durl
07-20-2009, 11:24 PM
Make hay while the sun shines, boys. Get a lot of runs this first inning.

GADawg
07-20-2009, 11:24 PM
Manny sucks...yes I'd take him

mbgrayson
07-20-2009, 11:25 PM
Schmidt currently has an infinite ERA, 1 run, zero outs this year.

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:25 PM
Votto gets new life when Manny can't reach a foul fly ball and gets booed.

RedsManRick
07-20-2009, 11:25 PM
Schmidt is a human batting tee. 86 mph fastball, 81 mph changeup, and a big loopy curve.

If we can't put up a crooked number on him...

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:26 PM
The Reds are absolutely teeing off right now.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:26 PM
Votto singles to right. They are roughing up Schmidt. 1st and 3rd.

RedFanAlways1966
07-20-2009, 11:26 PM
Schmidt is a human batting tee. 86 mph fastball, 81 mph changeup, and a big loopy curve.

Sounds like a Jim Bowden reclamation project...

durl
07-20-2009, 11:26 PM
3 in a row off the wall to start a game. When's the last time you saw that happen?

11larkin11
07-20-2009, 11:27 PM
Schmidt isn't going to last long, lets get as many as possible before he's taken out

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:27 PM
Dodgers already have James McDonald warming up.

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:27 PM
Votto steals second, bad throw, run scores, Joey to third.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:27 PM
We better not lose this game after this start.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:28 PM
Votto steals 2nd. The throw goes into center. Hairston scores and Votto goes to 3rd. 2-0 Reds!

Stormy
07-20-2009, 11:28 PM
Schmidt is a human batting tee. 86 mph fastball, 81 mph changeup, and a big loopy curve.

If we can't put up a crooked number on him...

Stealing a game tonight is pretty much a MUST, as this guy doesn't have a single major league caliber pitch in his arsenal anymore. How in the world did they deem Schmidt worthy of a look in any rotation, much less that of the best team in the NL?

GADawg
07-20-2009, 11:28 PM
3 in a row off the wall to start a game. When's the last time you saw that happen?

it's Arroyoish even

RedFanAlways1966
07-20-2009, 11:28 PM
Juan Castro's hands of gold gets his catcher an error.

Holy! Terrible defense by the Dodgers!! :eek:

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:28 PM
Phillips' fly ball falls in. Votto scores. Phillips doesn't run hard enough and is thrown out at second.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:28 PM
Phillips with a hit and is thrown out at 2nd. 3-0 Reds!

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:28 PM
The last thing we need to be doing is making outs on the bases right now.

durl
07-20-2009, 11:29 PM
Phillips...geez. They hand you 2nd base and you blow it.

Chip R
07-20-2009, 11:29 PM
Why wasn't Votto on 2nd after that hit? Now Phillips lollygags his way into an out.

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:29 PM
3 in a row off the wall to start a game. When's the last time you saw that happen?


For the Reds or against the Reds?

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:29 PM
Nix flies out to right. 2 outs.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:30 PM
Edwin walks

KoryMac5
07-20-2009, 11:31 PM
Why do I learn more about the Reds players from Vin Scully than I do the Reds announcers?

RedsManRick
07-20-2009, 11:31 PM
And Phillips wants to be captain? Maybe he should start watching the guy he drove in. Another out on the bases...

LINEDRIVER
07-20-2009, 11:31 PM
Phillips needs to be yanked out of the game.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:32 PM
FSN has Schmidt throwing his heater at like 83 right now

Chip R
07-20-2009, 11:32 PM
Phillips needs to be yanked out of the game.


Votto didn't exactly bust his ass out of the box either.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:33 PM
Votto didn't exactly bust his ass out of the box either.
Don't compound your problem though. The Reds were teeing off, the last thing they need to do is make outs on the bases.

CTA513
07-20-2009, 11:34 PM
Votto didn't exactly bust his ass out of the box either.

Which player does that more?

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:34 PM
Phillips blew it, but it did seem to be a routine out.

Taveras really hustled out that triple though. Nice baserunning there.

LINEDRIVER
07-20-2009, 11:34 PM
Votto didn't exactly bust his ass out of the box either.


yep, but this happens too often with Brandon. damn near a habit.

RedFanAlways1966
07-20-2009, 11:35 PM
Kind of strange 1/2 inning... but anytime/anyway/anyhow the REDS score 3 runs in an inning is great!

:thumbup:

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:36 PM
Furcal with a bunt double over EE's head.

EE ran in, but ball was going out.

RedFanAlways1966
07-20-2009, 11:36 PM
Good lord... a bunt for a double. Better to be lucky sometimes, Furcal.

KoryMac5
07-20-2009, 11:36 PM
I hope Willy T was watchin that Furcal AB.

11larkin11
07-20-2009, 11:36 PM
Did that really just happen?

durl
07-20-2009, 11:37 PM
Why do I learn more about the Reds players from Vin Scully than I do the Reds announcers?

2 reasons:

1 - He's telling Dodger fans about players that they may know little about.
2 - He's also calling the game for radio. A lot more talking involved and a lot more information.

TRF
07-20-2009, 11:37 PM
I once saw Furcal end up on third on one of his bunts. It was against the Reds of course.

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:37 PM
I hope Willy T was watchin that Furcal AB.


I hope EE was watching that Furcal AB.

Chip R
07-20-2009, 11:38 PM
yep, but this happens too often with Brandon. damn near a habit.


Oh, I agree. I'm just pointing out that Phillips isn't the only one loafing.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:38 PM
Martin singles to left. 1st and 3rd with Ramirez coming up.

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:39 PM
So far, the Reds have a 3-0 lead despite bad baserunning, bad fielding on a bunt, and bad pitching.

We all know where that is likely to lead.

Owings pitching to Ramirez. Really.

11larkin11
07-20-2009, 11:40 PM
Nice job Micah!

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:40 PM
Owings Ks Manny. He must have had his eyes closed.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:40 PM
Ramirez strikes out swinging. 1 out.

GADawg
07-20-2009, 11:40 PM
I think Manny's bat is too fast for Owings pitches

KoryMac5
07-20-2009, 11:40 PM
2 reasons:

1 - He's telling Dodger fans about players that they may know little about.
2 - He's also calling the game for radio. A lot more talking involved and a lot more information.

I could give you a few more:

3. George Grande would rather talk about other star players whether they are playing the Reds or not.
4. When Marty doesn't like a player he rarely will give you any interesting info on that player.

11larkin11
07-20-2009, 11:41 PM
So far, the Reds have a 3-0 lead despite bad baserunning, bad fielding on a bunt, and bad pitching.

We all know where that is likely to lead.

Owings pitching to Ramirez. Really.

Bad fielding? I think not.

Bad pitching? A bloop bunt double and a groundball single? I think not.

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:42 PM
Bad fielding? I think not.

Bad pitching? A bloop bunt double and a groundball single? I think not.

Watch the replay of Furcal's bunt. He squares, bunts a hard pop up all the way to third base. EE charges.

Ok, I'll give Owings a pass for now but he did allow the first two guys to get on. Let's see where it goes.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:44 PM
Ethier doubles to right. 3-1 Reds. 2nd and 3rd.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:44 PM
Dickerson is not so good in the corners.

We're going to give back the entire lead this inning.

11larkin11
07-20-2009, 11:45 PM
Watch the replay of Furcal's bunt. He squares, bunts a hard pop up all the way to third base. EE charges.

Ok, I'll give Owings a pass for now but he did allow the first two guys to get on. Let's see where it goes.

EE charged on the square. If he doesn't charge and Furcal lays one down, its an easy base hit. How often does a guy bunt it over your head?

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:45 PM
That didn't take long.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:45 PM
There goes the lead. Blake doubles to left center. 3-3.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:47 PM
This is pathetic.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:48 PM
Loney singles to right center. 4-3 Dodgers.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:48 PM
Can we get the bullpen up? Or something?

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:48 PM
This team shouldn't bother to fly to LA it is pretty much a waste of time.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:48 PM
Reds have Laynce Nix batting 5th.
Dodgers have Matt Kemp batting 8th.

Yeah.

durl
07-20-2009, 11:49 PM
Spotted 3 runs in the first inning. Owings may get pulled before he even hits.

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:49 PM
EE charged on the square. If he doesn't charge and Furcal lays one down, its an easy base hit. How often does a guy bunt it over your head?

EE didn't know that Furcal was bunting. He didn't charge until Furcal bunted. Except it was hit in the air. EE kept charging.

I wonder if it's still too soon for me to say that the defense and pitching haven't been very good in this game?

Owings needs to go to AAA.

GADawg
07-20-2009, 11:49 PM
maybe I'll go to bed

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:50 PM
Kemp flies out to center. 2 outs.

KoryMac5
07-20-2009, 11:51 PM
Going to be a long night in the game thread.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:51 PM
Excuse me, Kemp is batting 7th.

They have Juan Castro.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:51 PM
Castro is actually hitting .347 this year.

Tony Cloninger
07-20-2009, 11:51 PM
EE is turning into Toby Harrah....lotta of walks..... erratic fielding.

11larkin11
07-20-2009, 11:51 PM
EE didn't know that Furcal was bunting. He didn't charge until Furcal bunted. Except it was hit in the air. EE kept charging.

I wonder if it's still too soon for me to say that the defense and pitching haven't been very good in this game?

Owings needs to go to AAA.

At this point every Reds pitcher needs to go to AAA. Best starter as of late? Bronson Arroyo. Before that? Micah Owings

GADawg
07-20-2009, 11:52 PM
his name is not "Harris-ston"...how many times do I have to say it? Jocketty isn't "JockeRtty" and Richie Sexson was never Richie SexTon. Where's my blood pressure medication?

Tom Servo
07-20-2009, 11:52 PM
Castro is actually hitting .347 this year.
And Milton turned in some good starts before going down to injury.


Are the Dodgers the bizarro-Reds?

REDSEER
07-20-2009, 11:52 PM
George with his first mention of "manos de oro" on the second pitch of Castro's AB

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:53 PM
And Milton turned in some good starts before going down to injury.


Are the Dodgers the bizarro-Reds?
When you are getting production out of Milton and Castro it is definetly your year.

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:53 PM
"Hi Micah. Rick Sweet here. We have a great bunch of guys. Two good young outfielders. And some guys you know, Roenicke, McDonald, and Manuel is back. Welcome to the Bats."

11larkin11
07-20-2009, 11:53 PM
Make up for it with the bat Owings. Lets go.

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:53 PM
So a 7 run first.

KoryMac5
07-20-2009, 11:54 PM
There's the Juan Castro we know and love with a feeble pop up to first.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:54 PM
Castro pops out to 1st. The first inning is finally over. 4-3 Dodgers.

oneupper
07-20-2009, 11:55 PM
We almost witnessed history as Micah almost hit Castro.

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:55 PM
Upsetting half inning. EE breaks the wrong way on a bunt. Dickerson loses a fly ball. Owings throwing batting practice.

Way to go after a three run lead.

oneupper
07-20-2009, 11:57 PM
We almost witnessed history as Micah almost hit Castro.

Sorry. I lost track of Mr. Castro. Apparently hit took his first HBP last year in Baltimore.

Tom Servo
07-20-2009, 11:57 PM
Jason Schmidt hates Ryan Hanigan's head.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:57 PM
Hanigan is hit by the pitch

Edskin
07-20-2009, 11:58 PM
Let's see if Micah can "help himself"-- another favorite of mine :)

reds44
07-20-2009, 11:58 PM
Jason Schmidt hates Ryan Hanigan's head.
He's throwing so soft it didn't phase him.

Kc61
07-20-2009, 11:59 PM
Owings called out on strikes on a pitch two feet outside.

Reds Fanatic
07-20-2009, 11:59 PM
Owings strikes out looking.

redsfaninbsg
07-20-2009, 11:59 PM
That curve was no where close to a strike.

durl
07-20-2009, 11:59 PM
As repetitive as Grande can be, a lot of the announcers on other FSN channels are pretty hard to listen to.

Edskin
07-21-2009, 12:00 AM
Hitting one of the wall was the worst thing that could happen to Taveras--he'll be swinging for the fences for the next three weeks...

11larkin11
07-21-2009, 12:00 AM
I have a feeling that because of that first hit, Willy is going back to being a power hitter. That won't be a good thing

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2009, 12:01 AM
Kemp makes a diving catch. 2 outs.

BCubb2003
07-21-2009, 12:01 AM
As repetitive as Grande can be, a lot of the announcers on other FSN channels are pretty hard to listen to.

Grande definitely has his flaws, but he has one of the smoother, more articulate deliveries around. He's no Vin Scully, but it could be a lot worse.

Kc61
07-21-2009, 12:02 AM
Hitting one of the wall was the worst thing that could happen to Taveras--he'll be swinging for the fences for the next three weeks...


Yeah, let's attack Taveras. He led off the game with a fly ball off the wall and busted it down to third for a triple and scored.

Meanwhile, Votto and Phillips don't run out their hits, EE is still charging Furcal's pop bunt, Dickerson couldn't find the fly ball, and Owings thinks he's pitching in the home run derby.

durl
07-21-2009, 12:03 AM
Just for the record, I agree with George on the non-HR. The ball hits the top of the wall, then the angle it takes after it hits the wall carries it away from the field of play. It had to have hit the sign and bounce back in. Nothing else explains how it changed trajectory.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 12:03 AM
Owings called out on strikes on a pitch two feet outside.

Quite true...
Gameday:
http://www.graysonlawfirm.com/owings.jpg

Tony Cloninger
07-21-2009, 12:04 AM
I can see the 3 runs they scored off this guy as being it for them.....that was too much work....based on the non-running of Brandon and Joey....seems like they were already tired and bored.

Kc61
07-21-2009, 12:05 AM
I can see the 3 runs they scored off this guy as being it for them.....that was too much work....based on the non-running of Brandon and Joey....seems like they were already tired and bored.


Jet lag.

Chip R
07-21-2009, 12:05 AM
I can see the 3 runs they scored off this guy as being it for them.....that was too much work....based on the non-running of Brandon and Joey....seems like they were already tired and bored.


They have scored their quota.

Edskin
07-21-2009, 12:06 AM
Grande's delivery is fine....and he seems like a great guy, but I always feel as if he's calling a Little League not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings or really analyze anything that's happening. This wouldn't be so bad if he told interesting stories (ala Scully) but he generally reverts to tired cliches and bland details.

I actually think Welsh is pretty decent, but Grande basically never sets him up like a play by play guy should.

Kc61
07-21-2009, 12:08 AM
Grande's delivery is fine....and he seems like a great guy, but I always feel as if he's calling a Little League not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings or really analyze anything that's happening. This wouldn't be so bad if he told interesting stories (ala Scully) but he generally reverts to tired cliches and bland details.

I actually think Welsh is pretty decent, but Grande basically never sets him up like a play by play guy should.


It's easier to announce for a team that is occasionally in the race playing meaningful games. Those games create their own drama, their own interest. With the Reds, the announcers have to help create fan interest.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2009, 12:08 AM
Schmidt flies out to right.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2009, 12:09 AM
Great play by Votto.

Kc61
07-21-2009, 12:09 AM
Line shot to Votto. Good play. Grande calls it brilliant.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2009, 12:10 AM
Martin singles to center.

Tom Servo
07-21-2009, 12:12 AM
Yeah, Micah's got nothing tonight.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2009, 12:12 AM
Ramirez homers. 6-3 Dodgers.

reds44
07-21-2009, 12:12 AM
Who didn't see that coming?

Owings is awful.

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 12:12 AM
Uggggh!

durl
07-21-2009, 12:12 AM
Grande's delivery is fine....and he seems like a great guy, but I always feel as if he's calling a Little League not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings or really analyze anything that's happening. This wouldn't be so bad if he told interesting stories (ala Scully) but he generally reverts to tired cliches and bland details.

I actually think Welsh is pretty decent, but Grande basically never sets him up like a play by play guy should.

I like George's attitude. Some guys will criticize bluntly and that's fine (to a point), but others, like George are more polite about it. He's a Reds play-by-play announcer, not a critic, not a color guy, just the guy who tells you what's going on.

Just so I don't sound like I'm related to him, I don't like his home run catch-phrase, and his laugh is a little "interesting." :)

Edskin
07-21-2009, 12:12 AM
Manny with a PED shot into deep left center

CTA513
07-21-2009, 12:12 AM
Owings continues throwing batting practice

reds44
07-21-2009, 12:13 AM
How long will Dusty leave him in for?

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 12:14 AM
Owings is gotta take a Bronson like hit tonight and last at least 5.

Stormy
07-21-2009, 12:15 AM
Wow. I was shocked that Manny swung through Owings' lifeless fastball in his first AB, but he sure didn't get fooled twice. Kc61 has it right: So far we've seen lousy defense, horrid pitching, inexcusable baserunning, and indifferent offense. If we weren't facing the Dodgers' lone human batting tee, this game would likely be 6-0.

Roy Tucker
07-21-2009, 12:15 AM
You just can't throw a nothing fastball over the heart of the plate on a 2-0 count to someone like Ramirez.

Edskin
07-21-2009, 12:15 AM
Owings has been a disappointment....wasn't expecting anything great, but was hoping for a guy that could be a #4 and maybe eventually a #3 type of starter. But so far, he's proven to be nothing more than an average 5th starter at best.

CTA513
07-21-2009, 12:16 AM
If none of the starters are traded we know who won't be in the rotation once Volquez gets back.

reds44
07-21-2009, 12:16 AM
Quality AB from Votto.

Tony Cloninger
07-21-2009, 12:17 AM
Grande is a Reds announcer? I thought he was a plant by the Cardinals ....the greatest team in the history of baseball in the midwest.

The Baumer
07-21-2009, 12:18 AM
Is this the same guy who pitched the first inning? Wha happen?

Edskin
07-21-2009, 12:18 AM
What an awesome inning from the heart of our order there. Good grief.

reds44
07-21-2009, 12:18 AM
Yeah, the offense is done scoring for the night.

Goodnight.

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 12:18 AM
Schmidt looking like a world beater against the Reds the last 2 innings.

CTA513
07-21-2009, 12:19 AM
Is this the same guy who pitched the first inning? Wha happen?

The normal offense showed up.

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 12:20 AM
Just wait once this team gets back Votto and Edwin the offense is going to take off. :thumbup:

Tony Cloninger
07-21-2009, 12:20 AM
I remember a game in LA... Eddie Milner lead off with a triple and then scored on a groundout. Only hit off Jerry Reuss for the game... a 12-1 loss.

It was a typical 1982 game.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-21-2009, 12:20 AM
Micah Owings isn't an answer for this team, unless the question is "Who should be replaced in the starting rotation?"

A rare 3-run lead for a Reds starter flipped into a 3-run deficit before the 3rd inning?

Painful. And increasingly bad trade.

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 12:21 AM
36,15,5 Schmidt's pitch count per inning. He might get that down to 3 next inning.

reds44
07-21-2009, 12:27 AM
This is brutal to watch.

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 12:29 AM
Good thing for Juan Castro in this line up.

Edskin
07-21-2009, 12:31 AM
Chris Welsh:

"One of the weaknesses of Micah Owings's game is his control."

I would also like to add velocity and movement to that.

Other than those three things, he's Johan Santana.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 12:31 AM
Could be a bullpen night, Owings at 66 pitches, Schmidt at 56 thru 3.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 12:33 AM
I just got here and let me say I hate the Dodgers. Always have and always will.

CTA513
07-21-2009, 12:34 AM
Chris Welsh:

"One of the weaknesses of Micah Owings's game is his control."

I would also like to add velocity and movement to that.

Other than those three things, he's Johan Santana.

A guy with his "stuff" can't walk and hit as many batters as he does and expect to pitch good.

reds44
07-21-2009, 12:34 AM
Edwin sees more pitches than we did all of last inning.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 12:38 AM
Dickerson walks. Dodgers bullpen active again, players stalling to give them time.

No outs, two on.

reds44
07-21-2009, 12:40 AM
Hanigan swings at ball 3.

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 12:40 AM
Schmidt topping out at around 83 as Scully says the Dodger gun is 2 mph fast.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 12:42 AM
I worry about Hanigan. He seems to have regressed lately. Now the Reds get the first two on as Hanigan strikes out on a horrible pitch and Owings makes an out. Willy T up.

toledodan
07-21-2009, 12:43 AM
sad, sad, sad!

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 12:43 AM
Same old story two on no outs and we can't even move the runners 90 ft.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 12:43 AM
Actually Gameday has Schmidt hitting 87, and the curve around 70. That could actually work, as long as he has an ump with a huge zone like he does tonight.

reds44
07-21-2009, 12:44 AM
I worry about Hanigan. He seems to have regressed lately. Now the Reds get the first two on as Hanigan strikes out on a horrible pitch and Owings makes an out. Willy T up.
Hanigan isn't anywhere near the hitter he's hitting right now.

He's just not.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 12:44 AM
I have to wonder if Owings is the fifth starter we thought he was. He's pitching very Josh Fogg like lately.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 12:45 AM
And once Schmidt is gone in an inning or two, it ain't gonna get any easier for this popgun lineup.

nate
07-21-2009, 12:45 AM
Hannigan's last 11 games: .333/.415/.361

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 12:48 AM
Actually Gameday has Schmidt hitting 87, and the curve around 70. That could actually work, as long as he has an ump with a huge zone like he does tonight.

I think GameDay is being pretty generous. I haven't seen Schmidt hit 87 since the first inning, and with the gun being 2 mph fast he's actually pitching 83-85. Regardless Schmidt should be getting hammered with the pedestrian stuff he has tonight.

Homer Bailey
07-21-2009, 12:48 AM
Hanigan isn't anywhere near the hitter he's hitting right now.

He's just not.

There are no indications that he is not the hitter that he is right now. His minor league numbers are very consistent with his major league ones.

BrooklynRedz
07-21-2009, 12:49 AM
I preface this by saying I'm generally a believer of the theory that influence of managers and hitting coaches is largely overstated. However, I loathe this club's approach at the dish. There is no general philosophy at play. In fact, there is no evidence at all of any offensive strategy. All hitters, regardless of personal history or game situation, step to the plate and act as though there is a metal cage surrounding them and the dude 60-feet-6 is just a friendly moe tossing meaningless batting practice. Blech.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 12:50 AM
Hannigan's last 11 games: .333/.415/.361

Hanigan's last 4 games: .167/.250/.250

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 12:52 AM
I preface this by saying I'm generally a believer of the theory that influence of managers and hitting coaches is largely overstated. However, I loathe this club's approach at the dish. There is no general philosophy at play. In fact, there is no evidence at all of any offensive strategy. All hitters, regardless of personal history or game situation, step to the plate and act as though there is a metal cage surrounding them and the dude 60-feet-6 is just a friendly moe tossing meaningless batting practice. Blech.

Agreed.

What worked in the 1st was patience. They made Schmidt throw like 32 pitches. Then it's hacktastic ever since....Ump is helping Schmidt though. THere have been several called strikes a long way out of the zone on Gameday. Not even close...

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 12:53 AM
Hanigan's last 4 games: .167/.250/.250

But he can sure throw out those runners!

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 12:53 AM
Hanigan just gunned down Martin who had a good jump on a change up. Nice play.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 12:56 AM
But he can sure throw out those runners!

Great throw! But, did my eyes deceive me or did JHJ almost let him get in there by sticking out his glove too soon? My eyes at nearly midnight are not as good as they are at 9:00 AM :).

nate
07-21-2009, 12:56 AM
Hanigan's last 4 games: .167/.250/.250

I daresay one could find multiple instances of Albert Pujols having numbers like that or worse in 12 ABs.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 12:58 AM
I daresay one could find multiple instances of Albert Pujols having numbers like that or worse in 12 ABs.
True, but it seems like he's struggling lately. Hope it's just small sample size. We'll see as he plays more.

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 12:59 AM
Schmidt just might get his first win in over two years tonight if he can get through this inning.

nate
07-21-2009, 12:59 AM
True, but it seems like he's struggling lately. Hope it's just small sample size. We'll see as he plays more.

Yep, we're gonna find out now fo sho.

CTA513
07-21-2009, 01:02 AM
Nix pops out and is now hitting .189 this month

CTA513
07-21-2009, 01:05 AM
7-3 Dodgers as Owings goes out to throw more batting practice

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 01:09 AM
Hannigan guns out Casey Blake, who singled after the Ethier HR.

Hannigan puttin on a clinic...

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-21-2009, 01:14 AM
In today's MLB, the Reds and Dodgers just aren't in the same universe.

The Reds seem content to measure themselves against the likes of the Pirates and Royals.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:18 AM
1-2-3 the Reds go down in the sixth against James "5+ ERA" McDonald.

penantboundreds
07-21-2009, 01:18 AM
Frustrated. <---- That's how I feel right now.

Terrible at-bats, regression by Owings, with a terrible arm-slot all night. (something he should have been working on)

Frustration.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 01:19 AM
Reds 6th: James McDonald in to pitch for the Dodgers.

1. EE Flies out to right on the 3rd pitch of the AB.
2. Dickerson lines to Loney on 2nd pitch. Nice play
3. Hannigan grounds to short on third pitch.

Eight pitch inning by three of our more patient hitters.

Stormy
07-21-2009, 01:19 AM
Some decent patience, and good swings, didn't amount to much in the 6th inning. Edwin, Dickerson, and Hanigan all are displaying a nice plate approach recently. It's not really at issue tonight, but it defies comprehension that those OBPs are at the bottom of the order, while the worst tandem on the team set the table at #1/2.

Stormy
07-21-2009, 01:22 AM
Reds 6th: James McDonald in to pitch for the Dodgers.

1. EE Flies out to right on the 3rd pitch of the AB.
2. Dickerson lines to Loney on 2nd pitch. Nice play
3. Hannigan grounds to short on third pitch.

Eight pitch inning by three of our more patient hitters.

I liked their approach there, even though they didn't do anything with it. EdE got a rip at a 2-0 fastball, Dickerson drilled a 1-1 heater (and was robbed), and even Hanigan had a decent cut. We've been impatient throughout, but I thought all 3 guys had good pitches to hit that inning, for a change.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:23 AM
Fisher comes on and whiffs Castro. He follows that (admittedly simple) trick by grounding McDonald and Furcal out easily. Nice inning. Seven pitches, six strikes.

7-3 Dodgers after 6.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 01:24 AM
Dodgers 6th: Carlos Fisher in to pitch for the Redlegs.
1. Castro Ks on three pitches. lol
2. McDonald grounds out to short on 2nd pitch.
3. Furcal chops the 2nd pitch into the dirt, shortstop JHJ makes a wonderful barehanded play to just get him at 1st.

Fisher has a 7 pitch inning.

Brutus
07-21-2009, 01:25 AM
Micah Owings isn't an answer for this team, unless the question is "Who should be replaced in the starting rotation?"

A rare 3-run lead for a Reds starter flipped into a 3-run deficit before the 3rd inning?

Painful. And increasingly bad trade.

Hmm...

What do you expect from a trade who's collateral was a guy that no one wanted in July and had to pass through waivers in a rare August trade? The Reds got a near-average fifth starter in August. It's not a bluckbuster but given the circumstances, you can't expect much more.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:25 AM
Gomes leads off the Reds 7th. He came in for Dickerson on a double switch.

He pops McDonald's first pitch foul behind the plate. One down.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:27 AM
Taveras falls behind 0-2 on a fistful of fastballs, takes a curveball high and tight, then grounds to third. Two down.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:28 AM
Hairston takes a fastball on the inside corner, then a curveball outside. Fouls off a fastball. Curveball catches the inside part of the plate, strike three called.

7-3 Dodgers, mid 7th.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 01:29 AM
Reds 7th: McDonald still pitching.
1. Gomes (in on the double switch w/ Fisher) pops out on 1st pitch.
2. Taveras grounds a 1-2 pitch to Blake at third.
3. JHJ Ks looking at a 1-2 pitch.

McDonald thru the 7th on 10 pitches.
Dodgers still up 7-3.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:34 AM
Fisher stays in to face the meat of the Dodger lineup in the bottom of 7.

Martin: Curveball way outside, then a pair of fouls on a cutter and slider. Another slop curve, he's not fishing. Fastball is ripped into right for a single; Russ still hasn't been retired at the plate tonight.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:36 AM
Manny. He's been quiet tonight- other than the two-run homer, of course.

Fastball right down the pipe called a ball. Slider just misses. Ramirez then pokes the curve up the middle for a single. First and second, nobody out.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-21-2009, 01:36 AM
Gomes leads off the Reds 7th. He came in for Dickerson on a double switch.

He pops McDonald's first pitch foul behind the plate. One down.

I still can't believe that some on here thought that Gomes/Nix = Matt Holliday.

Boggles the mind.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:39 AM
Ethier fouls off the fastball. He then takes a slider for a strike that Gameday considers well high and outside. Makeup pitch from before. Fastball stays high and away. 95-mph cheese right down the pipe, called ball two. Ump owes us again. Slider in the dirt, got him swinging! Hanigan blocks it nicely. One down.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 01:41 AM
Hmm...

What do you expect from a trade who's collateral was a guy that no one wanted in July and had to pass through waivers in a rare August trade? The Reds got a near-average fifth starter in August. It's not a bluckbuster but given the circumstances, you can't expect much more.

My only problem with this scenario is that he remains in the rotation. Nick Masset should be getting a chance with Owings being demoted to the bullpen. Owings continues to be a 5th starter that resembles (like I said earlier) Josh Fogg and Matt Belisle. Maybe that's the norm for the 5th starters in the second part of a division, but a club aspiring to be a winner should find an answer for that position regardless of preconcieved conclusions on who should pitch where.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 01:42 AM
Jerry Layne behind the plate tonight has been terrible. Look at what got called balls and strikes in Ethier's K:
http://www.graysonlawfirm.com/ethier.jpg

kaldaniels
07-21-2009, 01:42 AM
Chris and George, (well mostly Chris), showing a little emotion in the booth about PEDs.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 01:43 AM
Hanigan does it again. Guns out a runner at third effortlessly. WOW!

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:43 AM
Fastball up high to Blake (2-for-3). He too chases a low slider and doesn't get it, count's even. Fastball down the pipe fouled off. Slider in the dirt (why not) and Casey lays off. 2-2. Same pitch, same spot, same results. Full count. Got him swinging with a nasty hook on the outside corner! Two down. On that last pitch, Hanigan records his third CS of the night by throwing out Martin for the second time!

Whoa.

7-3 Dodgers after 7. Two good innings for Mr. Fisher tonight.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 01:43 AM
Hannigan throws out Martin again, this time at third. Awesome: three runners thrown out tonight.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 01:45 AM
Chris and George, (well mostly Chris), showing a little emotion in the booth about PEDs.

Interesting conversation. George taking the hard line and Chris taking the old school line that the press should not report their suspicions, making Watergate and other national scandals that proved to be crimes non-important. You would think George would take that stand, but we find out it's the Creeper. You just never know...:)

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:48 AM
Votto leads off the Reds' 8th with a four-pitch walk. None real close except the final one.

On cue, the pitching coach to the mound.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:50 AM
Phillips wisely waits McDonald out the first few pitches, taking four fastballs for a 3-1 count. Ump looks to be squeezing the pitcher a tiny bit. Fastball #5 catches the corner to run the count full. Sixth number one is letter-high and Brandon swats it into left for a base hit.

Two on, nobody out.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 01:51 AM
Phillips singles and Nix comes up in a horrible slump. McDonald exits and a new pitcher, a left hander emerges. Will Dusty pinch hit Nix or will Nix strike out? Questions, questions. One has to wonder what this team would be with Joe Torre as manager.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 01:53 AM
McDonald is done. Troncoso in.

Nix up, and this pitcher hasn't given up a run in a blue moon. Let's hope Scully just jinxed him.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 01:54 AM
Nix grounds the perfect 4-6-3 to Manos de oro, who misses it, E-4, and Votto scores.

7-4 Dodgers.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:55 AM
Lefty, you would assume? Nope, it's the righty Ramon Troncoso, coming in 4-0 with a 1.70 ERA. Second-year man who's already eaten up 58.1 innings in relief for LA this year. He's walked 21 and struck out 35 in those innings- only two HR is one reason for the low ERA. Five saves in six chances.

Nix takes a fastball low and in, then hits one to second, where Mr. Manos plays some Hands of Fate with the grounder! Votto scores, Phillips to third, Nix at first. 7-4 Dodgers.

Tom Servo
07-21-2009, 01:55 AM
Edwin grounds into a Phillips. Ugh.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 01:56 AM
EE grounds one to Furcal, who flips to manos, to first, double play. Phillips scores from 3rd.

Dodgers 7-5.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:56 AM
Still surprised Torre went to a righty against Nix. Anyway, Edwin steps in.

Fastball up and in. Strike, inside corner. 1-1 fastball is letter-high on the inside edge and Encarnacion sends it to short. 6-4-3 erases the runner and the batter, but Phillips scores to cut it to 7-5.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 01:57 AM
After Castro gives the Reds a gift on his error (1 run), EdE gets back in his slump with a DP as another runs stores. 7-5 Dodgers. At least they scored with a little help from a friend,

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:58 AM
Drew Sutton pinch-hitting for Fisher.

He's still looking for his first big-league hit, although his fielder's choice that one time a few weeks ago did win a game for us. He fouls off a high fastball. Takes a low slider. Foul tip on the fastball. Again lays off the low breaking ball, 2-2. Takes a fastball right down the middle, see ya.

7-5 Dodgers after 7.5.

durl
07-21-2009, 01:58 AM
Don't know what Sutton was looking for but, apparently it wasn't a fastball down the middle of the plate. K looking.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 01:58 AM
No one appears to have caught my "Manos: Hands of Fate" reference. Where's WOY or M2 or FCB when you need them? Well, FCB's probably in bed; the Cards game has been over for a while.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 01:58 AM
Scully said Ramon Troncoso is a sinkerball pitcher, and it looks like that is right. Two ground balls and a K (Drew Sutton). Inning over, Reds got two though.

Mid-8th: Dodgers 7, Reds 5.

Tom Servo
07-21-2009, 02:00 AM
No one appears to have caught my "Manos: Hands of Fate" reference. Where's WOY or M2 or FCB when you need them? Well, FCB's probably in bed; the Cards game has been over for a while.
I just got to this thread, but I'm with ya. The Master approves.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 02:01 AM
"Danny Herrera, a watch charm lefthander, out of Odessa Texas...." Vin Scully

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 02:01 AM
If DRH can hold 'em, we get Hanigan, Gomes, and Taveras (ugh) in the 9th. Excuse me while I throw up.

Just as I say that, DRH walks the first batter he faces.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 02:02 AM
Mr. Danny Ray Herrera on for the 8th. He starts Loney with a pair of strikes (one fastball, one change) but then misses with four straight offspeed pitches to put the leadoff man aboard. At least one looked right down the pipe.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 02:04 AM
Called strike to Kemp on the Eighty-Six Express. Scroogie slapped into left for a single.

Again we start two on, nobody out.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 02:04 AM
Herrera's fourth pitch to Loney was called a ball, Gameday once again shows the ball clearly in the zone for what should have been strike three. Another blown call, and Herrera walks him.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 02:04 AM
It may not make any difference, but DRH has two on, nobody out and what looks like a horrible inning to come. I miss Captain Hook. Sparky, wherefore Art Thou?

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 02:06 AM
Luckily, it's Manos. He bunts foul. Danny wisely feeds him a scroogie, and he bunts poorly enough that Hanigan is able to fire to EdE and get the lead runner. One down for the pitcher's spot.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 02:06 AM
Manos de Oro bunts right in front of the plate, Hannigan all over it like a cat, and throws the runner out at third. One out.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 02:07 AM
Loretta pops out to Hannigan. Two outs.

CTA513
07-21-2009, 02:07 AM
Castro is having a pretty bad game

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 02:08 AM
The veteran Loretta (.241, 0 HR) pinch-hitting for Troncoso. Herrera grooves a slider for a strike, gets him to foul off the heater, then jams him with another 85er and gets a popup that Hanigan smothers in foul ground. Nice. Two outs.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2009, 02:09 AM
What luck. Votto misses a foul pop which would have been the third out. How, I don't know and Furcal gets new life. Will it come back to bite the Reds? It usually does.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 02:11 AM
Scroogie to Furcal is taken for a strike. See, this is the DRH we know, not the "walk people after getting ahead 0-2" guy. Fastball up and away is fouled off, 0-2. Votto drops a foul popup for an error. D'OH! Better not haunt us. Offspeed pitch is low and outside, 1-2. 64 MPH SCROOGIE FLOATS RIGHT BY HIM! K swinging.

End of 8, 7-5 Dodgers. Nice comeback by Lefty Smurf.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 02:11 AM
Furcal strikes out badly on a 64 mph changeup. Wicked!

CTA513
07-21-2009, 02:11 AM
I thought it was bad when the Reds blew a 3-0 lead tonight.
Then I looked at the box scores and see that the Twins just blew a 6 run lead and are now down 14-13.

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 02:13 AM
Broxton on, looking for his 23rd save.