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GOYA
07-21-2009, 07:30 PM
Bison @ Bats

Stubbs CF .276
Gonzalez SS .167
Heisey LF .315
McDonald RF .298
Bankston 3B .243
Dorn 1B .255
Valaika 2B .224
Miller C .222
Maloney P .300

Dorn doubled in Bankston in the 2nd

1-0 Bats

Screwball
07-21-2009, 07:45 PM
Maloney gets touched up in the 3rd. Double, single, single, inbetween 3 strikeouts scores 1.

3 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 5 K. Game tied 1-1.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 07:50 PM
BTW, I was just going through the stats of some of the hitters for Louisville's opponent, the Buffalo Bison, and holy crap are they terrible. Their 3 hole hitter has a .676 OPS. The highest OPS of anybody with more than a couple ABs is .741. Three of 'em were below .500.

Maloney had no business giving up a run to these clowns.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 07:54 PM
Heisey just doubled into the left field corner. AGon to 3rd after reaching via walk.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 07:59 PM
McDonald sac fly and a Bankston RBI single make it 3-1 Bats after 3.

ETA: By the looks of things, Dorn flew out to the wall in dead center, 405 feet from home plate.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 08:14 PM
Carolina's game is being delayed (I assume by rain).

Sarasota trails 3-0...
Sappelt: 1-2
Soto: 1-2
Bucholz: 1-2
Mesoraco: 0-2

Webb: 3 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 1 BB, 3 K

Dayton and GCL Reds are off. Billings starts at 9.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 08:19 PM
Maloney: 5 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 5 K, 2.47 ERA.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 08:28 PM
Stubbs: 0-3, 2 K (1 swinging, 1 looking)
AGon: 0-2, BB
Heisey: 1-3, 2B, K
Bankston: 2-2, RBI
Dorn: 1-2, 2B, RBI
Valaika: 0-2

Screwball
07-21-2009, 08:34 PM
Maloney gives up a leadoff double but pitches around it...

6 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 6 K, 2.45 ERA. Bats still up 3-1.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 08:40 PM
Gameday for the minors cracks me up. Every strike is freakin' thigh high, right down the middle.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 08:41 PM
Bats string together a few hits (DarMac, Bankston, Dorn all with singles) to plate 1 here in the 6th. Still nobody out for Valaika.

dougdirt
07-21-2009, 08:43 PM
Gameday for the minors cracks me up. Every strike is freakin' thigh high, right down the middle.

They don't have camera's that put the data in down in the minors. Its done manually by a guy in the press box.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 08:46 PM
Bats string together a few hits (DaMac, Bankston, Dorn all with singles) to plate 1 here in the 6th. Still nobody out for Valaika.

CV (0-3), Corky (0-3), and Maloney all make outs though to snuff out the rally. 4-1 Bats after 6.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 08:47 PM
They don't have camera's that put the data in down in the minors. Its done manually by a guy in the press box.

'Bout what I figured. It looks like MVP 2005 on Easy mode.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 08:49 PM
Maloney gives up a leadoff homer to the .121 hitting Nick Evans. 4-2 Bats.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 08:52 PM
Maloney: 7 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 0 BB, 6 K, 1 HR, 2.51 ERA.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 08:57 PM
Sarasota trails 3-1 going into the 6th.

Sappelt: 2-3
Reed: 1-2, 2B, RBI
Soto: 1-2
Bucholz: 1-2
Mesoraco: 0-2

Webb: 5 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 1 BB, 5 K, 1 HR

Screwball
07-21-2009, 09:09 PM
Stubbs walks, AGon hits into a DP, and Heisey pops out.

Stewart in to pitch the 8th. He gives up a couple hits but keeps the Bison off the board: 1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 0.00 ERA.

Scrap Irony
07-21-2009, 09:12 PM
Dorn's line, for the season:

260/322/447/769

24 BBs, 57 Ks

In June and July only (110 ABs):

327/393/555/948

11BBs, 17 Ks

If he continues to rake at this level, I'd love to see what he could do in September. But he's not on the 40-man roster and I'm guessing he's not in the Reds' plans in the future. Goes to show how one or two bad months could really affect not just a season, but a career.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 09:13 PM
Neftali Soto doubles and Mesoraco singles in the top of the 6th for Sarasota but the Reds fail to score as Soto was later thrown out at home.

Soto: 2-4, 2B
Mesoraco: 1-3

Sarasota trails 3-1 in the 7th.

GOYA
07-21-2009, 09:14 PM
McD HR makes it 5-2 Bats

Bankston now 4 for 4 with a double.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 09:15 PM
DarMac homers (#7) and Bankston doubles (4-4!) to start the bottom of the 8th.

Scrap Irony
07-21-2009, 09:20 PM
Has any Red prospect's value been hurt more than Neftali Soto's? I remember dougdirt arguing before the season started that Soto and Cardinal prospect Brett Wallace and Chicago Cub Josh Vitters.

Those comparisons now look painful.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 09:22 PM
Carolina's game has finally started up. The Mudcats lead early 1-0 on a Juan Francisco RBI single that scored Henry. Frazier struck out.

Edit: Huntsville promptly ties it up after a HBP followed by a double off of Lee Tabor.

REDSEER
07-21-2009, 09:28 PM
Has any Red prospect's value been hurt more than Neftali Soto's? I remember dougdirt arguing before the season started that Soto and Cardinal prospect Brett Wallace and Chicago Cub Josh Vitters.

Those comparisons now look painful.
I would wait to see until he gets out of the FSL


Year Age Tm Lg Lev Aff G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
2005 21 Sarasota FLOR A_adv CIN 124 529 464 64 119 23 2 17 83 4 5 52 122 .256 .330 .425 .754 197 9 3 1 9 2
Not very impressive, right? Those are Joey Votto's numbers in a full season at Sarasota. It is very possible that Neftali Soto could bust out once he gets out of the FSL.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 09:28 PM
Stewart stays in to close out of the 9th: groundout, groundout, popout.

Bats win 5-2 and are now 14 games over .500. Maloney gets the W (7-6), Stewart the Save (2).

GOYA
07-21-2009, 09:30 PM
Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Stubbs CF 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .273
Gonzalez SS 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .111
Heisey LF 4 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 .312
McDonald RF 3 2 2 0 0 1 2 0 1 .304
Bankston 3B 4 1 4 1 0 0 1 0 0 .253
Griffin 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .230
Dorn 1B 4 0 2 1 0 0 2 0 0 .259
Valaika 2B 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .220
Miller C 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .200
Maloney P 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .231

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Maloney (W, 7-6) 7.0 7 2 2 0 6 1 2.51
Stewart (S, 2) 2.0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0.00

Benihana
07-21-2009, 09:30 PM
Dorn's line, for the season:

260/322/447/769

24 BBs, 57 Ks

In June and July only (110 ABs):

327/393/555/948

11BBs, 17 Ks

If he continues to rake at this level, I'd love to see what he could do in September. But he's not on the 40-man roster and I'm guessing he's not in the Reds' plans in the future. Goes to show how one or two bad months could really affect not just a season, but a career.


Has any Red prospect's value been hurt more than Neftali Soto's? I remember dougdirt arguing before the season started that Soto and Cardinal prospect Brett Wallace and Chicago Cub Josh Vitters.

Those comparisons now look painful.

No offense Scrap, but I strongly disagree with your observations.

First, I think Dorn will get a shot to be a lefty bat off the bench, if not in September then probably next year. If he doesn't, it wasn't because of his poor start to the season. He's never been a strongly favored prospect and plays poor defense.

Second, Soto's value hasn't been hurt all that much. He is incredibly young for his level and remains one of the best hitting prospects in the system.

dougdirt
07-21-2009, 09:35 PM
Has any Red prospect's value been hurt more than Neftali Soto's? I remember dougdirt arguing before the season started that Soto and Cardinal prospect Brett Wallace and Chicago Cub Josh Vitters.

Those comparisons now look painful.

I still stand by what I said. Vitters is 5 months younger than Soto, just got to the FSL and is being owned there so far. Vitters had a 6 to 1 K to BB rate this year in the MWL. Soto is at 3.86 to 1. As for Wallace.... well, he is holding his own in AAA but isn't exactly lighting the world on fire either.

GOYA
07-21-2009, 09:36 PM
Dorn's defense has not been poor this year. It's average. He has had some problems at 1B but he doesn't project there.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 09:36 PM
Stephen Chapman ties the Carolina game up at 2 with a solo shot to deep RF.

Scrap Irony
07-21-2009, 09:41 PM
No offense Scrap, but I strongly disagree with your observations.

First, I think Dorn will get a shot to be a lefty bat off the bench, if not in September then probably next year. If he doesn't, it wasn't because of his poor start to the season. He's never been a strongly favored prospect...

If he's never been that strongy favored prospect, why would they give him a shot after a (seemingly) ordinary season like he's having? I'm guessing he won't get put on the 40-man roster and will hit (well) while repeating at AAA Louisville or some astute team elsewhere will deal for him and find a poor man's Jayson Werth. And, as to his defense, while he's certainly not great with the glove, he's better than Gomes or Dunn. He's at least an average LF. And, while, that's not quite Jocketty's MO for OFers (he prefers fat, athletic, plus defenders), it is something that can be used. Either in Cincinnati or, more likely, somewhere else.

Scrap Irony
07-21-2009, 09:44 PM
Not very impressive, right? Those are Joey Votto's numbers in a full season at Sarasota. It is very possible that Neftali Soto could bust out once he gets out of the FSL.

Votto was ordered to take a strike under the O'Brien regime, costing him serious numbers and strife. Soto's young, yeah, so he's got that going for him, but he'll have to produce a ton to be in the same conversation as Vitters, et al.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 09:55 PM
Mudcats get a run in the 3rd without a hit (error, HBP, groundout, wild pitch). 3-2 Carolina.

Henry: 1-2
Francisco: 1-2, RBI
Frazier: 0-2, 2 K
Cozart: 0-1, K

REDSEER
07-21-2009, 09:58 PM
Good point about the "take a strike" order that I had forgotten about. Regardless, Soto is very young for his league, which also happens to be a pitcher-friendly league. I wonder if the Reds will move him up next year or have him repeat high-A ball?

Meanwhile Billings is down 5-0 in the 3rd....Shea Snowden has given up 9 hits and walked two in three innings...

A little off-topic, but has anyone heard anything about William Stramp, who hasn't played a game this year due to an abdominal injury? The coaches at Billings were raving about the way the ball jumps off of his bat in preseason workouts.

backbencher
07-21-2009, 09:58 PM
(he prefers fat, athletic, plus defenders)

Cracked me up.

Tony Gwynn/Andruw Jones/Dave Parker?

Benihana
07-21-2009, 10:22 PM
If he's never been that strongy favored prospect, why would they give him a shot after a (seemingly) ordinary season like he's having?

Because he hits righties very well.

He was a 32nd round pick, so he was never that strongly favored by the organization. He still may get a shot though if he continues to mash righties. He could be next year's Laynce Nix.

PuffyPig
07-21-2009, 10:38 PM
Votto was ordered to take a strike under the O'Brien regime, costing him serious numbers and strife.

And perhpas helping his development?

It's hard to complain about the results so far.

11larkin11
07-21-2009, 10:39 PM
Mudcats are facing former Bat Drew T. Anderson, who is a great minor league player

Screwball
07-21-2009, 10:40 PM
Sarasota Reds lost 4-1.

Sappelt: 2-4
Reed: 1-4, 2B, RBI
Soto: 2-4, 2B
Bucholz: 1-4
Mesoraco: 1-4
Kahaulelio: 0-3

Webb: 5 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 1 BB, 5 K, 1 HR, 4.70 ERA

Carolina is tied with the Stars at 3 a piece after 5.

texasdave
07-21-2009, 11:02 PM
Maloney gets touched up in the 3rd. Double, single, single, inbetween 3 strikeouts scores 1.

3 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 5 K. Game tied 1-1.

So he struck out the side. Nice. :D

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 11:05 PM
Hats off to the much maligned Darnell McDonald who really took a beating to start the year. After mgmt came to their senses and sent him to AAA he has done nothing but hit and play hard. Good to see.

mace
07-21-2009, 11:27 PM
Billings, down 5-0, now up 7-6. Thomas Nurre, the local kid and Miami product, this year's 38th-round draft choice, with a 3-run HR, his first as a pro.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 11:31 PM
Frazier homers (#11) in the top of the 8th to give the Mudcats a 4-3 lead.

Screwball
07-21-2009, 11:51 PM
Mudcats win 4-3 as Ondrusek closes it out.

Henry: 2-5, 2 R
Francisco: 1-4, RBI
Frazier: 1-4, HR
Cozart: 1-3, BB, Error (18, throwing)

Tabor: 5 IP, 4 H, 3 R (2 ER), 2 BB, 1 K, 1 HR, 3.04 ERA
Sean Watson: 2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 4.47 ERA
Ondrusek: 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 1.71 ERA

mace
07-21-2009, 11:59 PM
Billings hangs on 7-6. Daniel Corcino, 18 years old, picks up the save with a scoreless 9th.

Screwball
07-22-2009, 12:03 AM
DSL Reds beat up on the DSL Rockies 8-3. Junior Arias went 1-4 with a walk, RBI, and run scored.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2009, 09:42 AM
You can't like seeing 18 errors for Zach Cozart. I know scouts have raved about his defense, but 18 errors is a bit concerning to me. I'm sure Votto could have picked a few of those throwing errors, but is Cozart's D a bit overrated? Is his D rated so highly because he has great range and gets to more balls, thus creating more chances for an error?

BRM
07-22-2009, 10:17 AM
I'm pretty sure Doug has stated that the infield in Carolina is pretty bad. Could be getting a lot of bad hops if that's the case.

dougdirt
07-22-2009, 12:21 PM
You can't like seeing 18 errors for Zach Cozart. I know scouts have raved about his defense, but 18 errors is a bit concerning to me. I'm sure Votto could have picked a few of those throwing errors, but is Cozart's D a bit overrated? Is his D rated so highly because he has great range and gets to more balls, thus creating more chances for an error?

Their field is pretty bad down in Carolina. Honestly, Cozart made 10 errors last season. Do we honestly think something changed in his skillset that led to an increase in errors by about 100%? I would say no, there probably hasn't been something like that happen.

Caveat Emperor
07-22-2009, 01:37 PM
Billings, down 5-0, now up 7-6. Thomas Nurre, the local kid and Miami product, this year's 38th-round draft choice, with a 3-run HR, his first as a pro.

He's had a hit in every game he's played thus far.

I work with his sister -- she was very excited when I told her he homered last night and rushed off to call him. It was cute. :)

mace
07-22-2009, 02:21 PM
He's had a hit in every game he's played thus far.

I work with his sister -- she was very excited when I told her he homered last night and rushed off to call him. It was cute. :)

Would that be the Nurre family in the funeral home business? What high school did he go to?

GIDP
07-22-2009, 02:32 PM
He's had a hit in every game he's played thus far.

I work with his sister -- she was very excited when I told her he homered last night and rushed off to call him. It was cute. :)

is she?

Plus Plus
07-22-2009, 02:58 PM
Would that be the Nurre family in the funeral home business? What high school did he go to?

I believe he went to St. X

mace
07-22-2009, 03:20 PM
Nurre:

http://communitypress.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/C2/20090712/SPT01/907120302/