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Caveat Emperor
07-21-2009, 10:59 PM
CIN:

Taveras CF
Hairston RF
Votto 1b
Gomes LF
Encarnacion 3b
Hanigan C
Rosales 2b
Janish SS
Bailey P

LAD:

Furcal SS
Hudson 2b
Ramirez LF
Ethier RF
Blake 3b
Martin C
Loney 1B
Kemp CF
Wolf P

Degenerate39
07-21-2009, 11:09 PM
Man what an ugly lineup

TheNext44
07-21-2009, 11:09 PM
Hey, so I'm at the game sitting right behind home plate, one section up in the fifth row. I have a great view of home plate. I'll try to let you guys know about any tough calls that I see.

GADawg
07-21-2009, 11:15 PM
Hey, so I'm at the game sitting right behind home plate, one section up in the fifth row. I have a great view of home plate. I'll try to let you guys know about any tough calls that I see.

If I wasn't so disgusted with what I've seen lately I'd be jealous

Scrap Irony
07-21-2009, 11:15 PM
Kemp's hitting eighth for the Dodgers. He'd hit fourth for the Reds. So would Loney (7th).

Sigh.

TheNext44
07-21-2009, 11:15 PM
Hey, so I'm at the game sitting right behind home plate, one section up in the fifth row. I have a great view of home plate. I'll try to let you guys know about any tough calls that I see.

Chip R
07-21-2009, 11:16 PM
Hey, so I'm at the game sitting right behind home plate, one section up in the fifth row. I have a great view of home plate. I'll try to let you guys know about any tough calls that I see.


Hey, I think we got that the first time you posted that. :lol:

TheNext44
07-21-2009, 11:20 PM
Hey, I think we got that the first time you posted that. :lol:

Sorry iPhone glich. Oops

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 11:22 PM
Hey, so I'm at the game sitting right behind home plate, one section up in the fifth row. I have a great view of home plate. I'll try to let you guys know about any tough calls that I see.

What are you wearing? Can we see u on TV?

nate
07-21-2009, 11:24 PM
Does anyone know if TheNext44 is at the game sitting right behind home plate, one section up in the fifth row?

:cool:

TheNext44
07-21-2009, 11:24 PM
Bailey seems to be getting sqeezed a bit, as usual. But it's just making him throw more strikes and stop picking at the corners. Unfortunately they are hitting the strikes.

Matt700wlw
07-21-2009, 11:24 PM
The Astros are making their move against the Cards.

The Reds are being the Reds.





Sigh.

11larkin11
07-21-2009, 11:25 PM
What are you wearing? Can we see u on TV?

Haha, Adam Dunn.

Marty, what are you wearing?

Matt700wlw
07-21-2009, 11:25 PM
Kemp's hitting eighth for the Dodgers. He'd hit fourth for the Reds. So would Loney (7th).

Sigh.


He USED to hit 4th for the Dodgers if I'm not mistaken

BCubb2003
07-21-2009, 11:26 PM
Does anyone know if TheNext44 is at the game sitting right behind home plate, one section up in the fifth row?

:cool:

I think he's the guy with the straw hat, cigar and radar gun.

TheNext44
07-21-2009, 11:26 PM
What are you wearing? Can we see u on TV?

The FBI would be upset it I was. Why do you think I moved to LA? :cool:

reds44
07-21-2009, 11:29 PM
Time for Homer to go back to AAA

CTA513
07-21-2009, 11:29 PM
Time for Homer to go back to AAA

He can take Gomes with him and send back someone who can field.

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 11:30 PM
Time for Homer to go back to AAA

Gomes didn't do him any favors in left on that hack job in the field.

reds44
07-21-2009, 11:31 PM
Gomes didn't do him any favors in left on that hack job in the field.
No doubt, but it would have just been an RBI double instead of triple.

11larkin11
07-21-2009, 11:31 PM
Time for Homer to go back to AAA

Oh, you mean that medium-hit ground ball that somehow turned into a triple?

GADawg
07-21-2009, 11:31 PM
Time for Homer to go back to AAA

right now I'd send 'em all down....If I owned the team I'd fire everyone and then quit myself

TheNext44
07-21-2009, 11:31 PM
They're really not hitting the ball hard against him. And he's throwing strikes. He just needs to keep his composure.

reds44
07-21-2009, 11:32 PM
Oh, you mean that medium-hit ground ball that somehow turned into a triple?
Would anybody say this if 61 was on the mound instead of 34?

Survey says, no chance.

Matt700wlw
07-21-2009, 11:32 PM
Maybe the whole team should go to AAA and the AAA team should come up to the bigs....or maybe the AA team


Bring the A ball boys up too!!!!


pbpbpbp :p:

reds44
07-21-2009, 11:33 PM
That could have been worse.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:33 PM
Bailey gets a pair of outs with Ramirez on third and nobody out. Just Russell Martin stands between Homer and some solid damage control.

nate
07-21-2009, 11:33 PM
Why does Russell Martin's jersey say "J Martin?"

mbgrayson
07-21-2009, 11:34 PM
Homer settles down and gets three straight outs, all on ground balls.

Dodgers 2, Reds 0 after 1 inning.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:34 PM
Martin grounds to Janish. 2-0 LA after one.

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 11:35 PM
Bailey looked like he was mixing his pitches well after the Manny AB, looked like it worked out well as he was stranded at third.

11larkin11
07-21-2009, 11:35 PM
Would anybody say this if 61 was on the mound instead of 34?

Survey says, no chance.

I defended Owings in the first yesterday too, something most people here don't do.

nate
07-21-2009, 11:36 PM
So, who wanted to send Gomes to AAA?

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:36 PM
Gomes leads off the 2nd with a chance to atone for the slightly embarrassing attempt at fielding Manny's triple.

Matt700wlw
07-21-2009, 11:36 PM
GOMES!!!

:jump:

(2-1 Marty...not 1-0)...:D

LoganBuck
07-21-2009, 11:36 PM
Would anybody say this if 61 was on the mound instead of 34?

Survey says, no chance.

Sure, Manny pounded that ball into the dirt got a good bounce, and Gomes butchered the play in left. Homer doesn't seem to get any breaks, just like the fact that either every runner or nearly every runner, he has left on base this season for the bullpen has been allowed to score.

Gomes with a shot while the clown is talking!

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:37 PM
Atoned. Solo homer to right-center, #7 for Jonny. 2-1 LA.

11larkin11
07-21-2009, 11:37 PM
Gomes is the most unorthodox player I've seen in awhile. And I love it. I think he had about 4 buttons buttoned when he hit that

TheNext44
07-21-2009, 11:37 PM
Jonny givith and jonny takith away.

nate
07-21-2009, 11:38 PM
Gomes is the most unorthodox player I've seen in awhile. And I love it. I think he had about 4 buttons buttoned when he hit that

I think Mickey Tettleton might be the unbuttoned king.

Matt700wlw
07-21-2009, 11:38 PM
Edwin! My favorite player!! :D

GADawg
07-21-2009, 11:38 PM
anyone else tired of hearing about Brandon Phillips tonight?

reds44
07-21-2009, 11:39 PM
Welsh needs to lay off the Phillips stuff. Overreacting just a tad.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:39 PM
Edwin dumps a bloop single into right. Inning continues for Hanigan.

reds44
07-21-2009, 11:40 PM
Oh and big fan of benching the guy the day after instead of pulling him in the middle of the game.

Hai Narron

RedsManRick
07-21-2009, 11:41 PM
That wasn't really a bad inning by Bailey. Furcal slapped a single. He went 1-2 on Hudson before giving up a solid single. Against Manny he didn't get two close pitches, took him full, and then made a really good pitch that Manny topped and just happened to smack right down the 3B line.

I'm happy with the way he hung and got himself out of the inning.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:41 PM
Hanigan lines out to right, one down. Rosales steps up.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:42 PM
Interestingly, Wolf has been considerably better on the road than at home in 2009. The reverse of what you usually see with Chavez Ravine.

Matt700wlw
07-21-2009, 11:43 PM
Haha...Marty mentioned the night that Hugh and his bunnies came into the booth back in the day...I have the reaction of that altercation from he and Joe on tape

:D

GADawg
07-21-2009, 11:43 PM
alright reaching for the mute button or perhaps going to the dodger feed

Matt700wlw
07-21-2009, 11:45 PM
alright reaching for the mute button or perhaps going to the dodger feed


There's not a living, breathing person alive who could fault you for wanting to hear Vin Scully call a game....

KoryMac5
07-21-2009, 11:46 PM
alright reaching for the mute button or perhaps going to the dodger feed

Vin Scully just spent two AB's talking about Phillips if your looking for an escape.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:46 PM
Rosales fights off a few as Wolf seems concerned about EdE's one stolen base in two attempts this season. On pitch #7, Adam hits a slow curve to right for out number two. Janish up.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:47 PM
Janish watches four straight out of the strike zone. Two on, two out for Homer.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:48 PM
Homer watches a fastball strike and a curve in the dirt. He connects with a second offspeed pitch and taps it back to the mound.

2-1 LA after 1.5.

LoganBuck
07-21-2009, 11:52 PM
Phillips just cost Bailey a hit.

reds44
07-21-2009, 11:53 PM
Yeah, Phillips probably gets to that.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:53 PM
Loney, the #7 hitter, leads off the bottom of 2. He runs the count to 2-2 without a swing. He punches the fifth offering directly up the middle for a leadoff single.

Kemp, the most dangerous #8 hitter in O.B., steps up.

reds44
07-21-2009, 11:55 PM
I blame that one on Gomes too.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:56 PM
Homer throws Kemp a fastball down the pipe, then fails to get him to bite on two breaking pitches away as well as another heater. He throws a strike when he needs it to run the count full. Kemp then leaps on a hanging slider and hits it out of the ballpark. #13, 4-1 LA.

LoganBuck
07-21-2009, 11:56 PM
I blame that one on Gomes too.

He wasn't wearing his cape!

reds44
07-21-2009, 11:57 PM
And now he gives up a hit to the pitcher.

CTA513
07-21-2009, 11:57 PM
And now he gives up a hit to the pitcher.

Just trying to fit in with the other starters.

:cool:

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:57 PM
Now Wolf gets into the act with a line-drive single to center. Sigh. Still nobody out.

Matt700wlw
07-21-2009, 11:58 PM
Wow...the Reds since the end of May have the WORST record in the NL Central.....

Is that true?

Pitching staff falling down the ranks, too...

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:58 PM
A visit from Dick Pole. Whoopee. In steps Furcal.

Doc. Scott
07-21-2009, 11:58 PM
Rafael hacks at Homer's second pitch and flies out to right. One out.

CTA513
07-21-2009, 11:59 PM
Wow...the Reds since the end of May have the WORST record in the NL Central.....

Is that true?

Pitching staff falling down the ranks, too...

Shouldn't be surprising the team doesn't hit and the pitching isn't as good as it was earlier in the season.

Edskin
07-21-2009, 11:59 PM
This road trip will be the official "check out time" for the 2009 Reds. Time to look forward to football....in July....again.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:01 AM
O-Dog in the bizzox. Fastball at the letters for strike one. More smoke down Broadway for strike two. Splitter in the dizzirt. Outside fastball is grounded neatly to Janish, who starts the 6-4-3!

4-1 LA after 2.

Matt700wlw
07-22-2009, 12:03 AM
Shouldn't be surprising the team doesn't hit and the pitching isn't as good as it was earlier in the season.

It's not...just the first I've heard of it.

Kinda fun being out of the loop :)

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:05 AM
Willy T leads off the Reds' 3rd. He takes one of each, then lays off high heat (for once). A "surprise" bunt is fouled off. He then freezes on a curve, strike three called.

Taveras really should give a Berenstain Bears-style series of hitting lessons. "I'm trying to show you what NOT to do!"

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:07 AM
Slider to JHJ for strike one. Offspeeder stays high and away. He chases after another curve and fouls it off. He fouls off a fastball high and tight. He makes out number two with a soft liner to second. Two out, Votto up.

Chip R
07-22-2009, 12:07 AM
Nice catch by Manny

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:07 AM
Votto looking for vengeance after K'ing in the first. He hacks at the second pitch, a fastball on the outside edge, and flies out to medium-deep left-center.

4-1 LA after 2.5.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:11 AM
Man-Ram shlumps into the box to leadoff the Dodger third. He, of course, hit a brisk bouncer into the left-field corner for a two-run triple last time up. He takes a fastball at his shoetops, ball one. Fouls off a letter-high heater (ut-oh). Homer pegs him with a fastball, and Ramirez is taken out of the game and replaced with Juan Pierre! Score!

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:13 AM
lol George pooh's favorite player is Pierre.

Chip R
07-22-2009, 12:13 AM
Homer's best pitch all night puts Manny out of the game and replaces him with Juan Pierre.


WIN!

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:14 AM
Homer uncorks a wild one and allows Pierre to move to second. 3-0 to Ethier.

LoganBuck
07-22-2009, 12:14 AM
Manny crowds plate, Homer comes up and in, Manny takes 94 mph fastball to hand. It was up, but wasn't more than an inch or two inside. Manny decides not to crowd Homer anymore, on his way to the clubhouse for Xrays.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:17 AM
Scully laying into Bailey about being a one pitch pitcher. Have to say I agree with his assessment tonight.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:19 AM
The Dodger gun showing Bailey working at 88-91 tonight, what does gameday show.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:19 AM
Paul Janish is pretty useless. He was vastly overrated as a defender.

Chip R
07-22-2009, 12:20 AM
Scully laying into Bailey about being a one pitch pitcher. Have to say I agree with his assessment tonight.

Just tonight?

REDSEER
07-22-2009, 12:20 AM
Gameday showing 93-94 for the fastball

paulrichjr
07-22-2009, 12:21 AM
Paul Janish is pretty useless. He was vastly overrated as a defender.

Error on Votto not Janish

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:22 AM
Ethier walks. Two on, nobody out. Homer then starts Casey Blake with a couple of bad ones but comes back to even the count at 2-2. Blake fouls one off with the runners going. Pitch #6 is grounded to first- but Votto makes a bad throw and all hands are safe. Bases loaded, nobody out.

Terrible defense tonight all around. I know that was the first actual error, but bad, bad, D.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:22 AM
Paul Janish is pretty useless. He was vastly overrated as a defender.

Votto got the error though on the throw.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:22 AM
That's beyond idiotic. That was not Votto's fault at all.

The ball literally hit him in the glove and he dropped it because he tripped over 2nd base. Defensive whiz, no.

Chip R
07-22-2009, 12:22 AM
Terrible defense tonight all around. I know that was the first actual error, but bad, bad, D.

Speed and defense, baby!

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:22 AM
A second wild pitch in the inning scores a run to make it 5-1.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:23 AM
Martin grounds back to the mound. First out of the inning.

CTA513
07-22-2009, 12:23 AM
Speed and defense, baby!

:beerme:

westofyou
07-22-2009, 12:23 AM
That's beyond idiotic. That was not Votto's fault at all.

The ball literally hit him in the glove and he dropped it because he tripped over 2nd baseball. Defensive whiz, no.

Right, he should have bought Janish a bigger glove.

Tom Servo
07-22-2009, 12:24 AM
These games are pretty unbearable. It's hard to watch a team that gets down by multiple runs so early.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:24 AM
Nice pitch, Homer.

LoganBuck
07-22-2009, 12:24 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Hindenburg_burning.jpg

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:25 AM
Bad News Bears out there tonight.

westofyou
07-22-2009, 12:25 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Hindenburg_burning.jpg

That was quicker.. this is a slow burn.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:26 AM
Called strike on the inside corner to Loney. Splitter that nobody's swinging at tonight is in the dirt. Head-high fastball. Curve is lined into right- that's gonna plate two runs.

7-1 LA. Get him out of there.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:28 AM
Homers Updated Line in 2009:
22 BB/19 K
8.01 ERA

Stud.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:28 AM
Bailey has to be at 90% fastballs tonight. You can't be a one trick pony in the majors, it may work in AAA not here.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:28 AM
First two pitches to Kemp stay low. Third one looks good on the chart but it's called ball three. High cheese produces Bailey's first swing-and-miss of the night on pitch #72. Fastball is fouled away, full count. Walked him on a fastball high and tight.

Bullpen? Hello?

TheNext44
07-22-2009, 12:28 AM
I think I'm going to move. Not that this game is over... Well kinda, but I haven't seen in person the Reds win a regular season game since 2005. It's getting ridiculous. :(

CTA513
07-22-2009, 12:29 AM
Homers Updated Line in 2009:
22 BB/19 K
8.01 ERA

Stud.


Who do you suggest the Reds replace him with?

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:30 AM
Bailey has only missed two bats tonight.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:30 AM
Who do you suggest the Reds replace him with?
He has an 8.01 ERA. It seriously is hard to do worse than that. Maloney could not be worse.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-22-2009, 12:31 AM
Should have padded those AAA stats and dealt him. Oh well.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:31 AM
Wolf bunts foul for strike one. Ball's high. Another good-looking low fastball called ball two. Suddenly the radar gun is reading 88-89 instead of 93-95. 87-mph fastball is sac-bunted, moving both runners up for Furcal.

CTA513
07-22-2009, 12:31 AM
He has an 8.01 ERA. It seriously is hard to do worse than that. Maloney could not be worse.

People did nothing but complain when Maloney was up.

westofyou
07-22-2009, 12:31 AM
Who do you suggest the Reds replace him with?

http://www.kidsportsinc.com/Images/Baseball/1999-baseball-pitching-machine.jpg

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:32 AM
People did nothing but complain when Maloney was up.
Who cares? That 8.01 ERA is still going up.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:33 AM
Cast, Walt, and Baker can't be proud of the product that is on the field tonight. Embarrassing to watch.

paintmered
07-22-2009, 12:33 AM
It's time to blow it up, folks. The lost decade ends as it began. :(

http://lgo.mit.edu/blog/drewhill/files/nuclear-explosion.jpg

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:33 AM
Fastball strike to Raffi, then offspeed stuff in the dirt. Two-run single to left with a Gomes throwing error in there too for good measure.

9-1.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:33 AM
8.51 ERA. He makes Josh Fogg look good.

VR
07-22-2009, 12:34 AM
I am at least hopeful Jocketty, Castellini et al will realize this club needs to be sellers now. They should be able to land quite a haul right now.

alloverjr
07-22-2009, 12:34 AM
Who cares? That 8.01 ERA is still going up.

Nah, the rest of these runs should be unearned because of Votto's throwing error. And really, there's nobody close in the farm system to take his place. Depth.

CTA513
07-22-2009, 12:34 AM
Who cares? That 8.01 ERA is still going up.

Once Bailey is gone then people will just complain about Maloney giving up homer after homer along with his 6+ ERA.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:35 AM
I am at least hopeful Jocketty, Castellini et al will realize this club needs to be sellers now. They should be able to land quite a haul right now.
Other than Cordero they have very little to trade.

BCubb2003
07-22-2009, 12:35 AM
Phillips is glad he's not playing tonight. But being forced to watch it is punishment enough.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:35 AM
8.51 ERA. He makes Josh Fogg look good.

Nobody on this field looks good tonight, not a one.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:35 AM
Once Bailey is gone then people will just complain about Maloney giving up homer after homer along with his 6+ ERA.
6+ is better than 8+

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:36 AM
Mercifully, Bailey is taken out and replaced with Jared Burton, who should at least be a little hungry at this point.

Chip R
07-22-2009, 12:36 AM
I think I'm going to move. Not that this game is over... Well kinda, but I haven't seen in person the Reds win a regular season game since 2005. It's getting ridiculous. :(



Hey, by any chance are you at the game?

paintmered
07-22-2009, 12:36 AM
6+ is better than 8+

With this offense, it's the same thing.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:37 AM
Burton throws two cutters and manages to produce a comebacker off the bat of Hudson that becomes the third out.

9-1 LA after 3.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:37 AM
With this offense, it's the same thing.
The pitching has been just as brutal as the offense lately.

Stormy
07-22-2009, 12:38 AM
Phillips is glad he's not playing tonight. But being forced to watch it is punishment enough.
:beerme:

WVRedsFan
07-22-2009, 12:38 AM
It's time to give up on Bailey.

That said, I'm sure the no-no's will begin. Reds44 is correct. Anyone can have a better ERA than 8.51. Even Fogg and Belisle. Bring a kid or two up. Start Masset. Do anything, but do not do nothing. I was shocked that Owings will start on Sunday. Why?

For all the ballyhoo about Reds pitching, these two have been an embarassment.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:38 AM
I'll forgive Gomes for his piss-poor outfield play tonight if he can hit just one more homer.

And maybe Manny's actually injured. Probably not, though, in much the same way that it's never the drunk driver that gets hurt in a crash. He's too relaxed.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:38 AM
I am in favor of blowing this thing up, but in todays economic climate the Reds have too many bad contracts to get out from under.

paintmered
07-22-2009, 12:39 AM
9-1 LA after 3.

The Reds likely don't have the bats for it, but Oakland just came back from a 10 run deficit and won (albeit on a horrendous call). Stranger things have happened.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:40 AM
The Reds likely don't have the bats for it, but Oakland just came back from a 10 run deficit and won. Stranger things have happened.

Awful call too at the end of that game, Cuddyer was safe by a mile.

CTA513
07-22-2009, 12:40 AM
6+ is better than 8+

Its still replacing crap with crap.

dabvu2498
07-22-2009, 12:40 AM
With this offense, it's the same thing. They are the same thing with any offense... hot garbage.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:40 AM
Huh. Gomes is hit by Wolf's second pitch. Payback? Or coincidence?

Chip R
07-22-2009, 12:41 AM
Bailey has to be at 90% fastballs tonight. You can't be a one trick pony in the majors, it may work in AAA not here.


Good thing he learned that splitter in AAA cause if he hadn't, I don't even want to think about how bad he'd pitch.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:41 AM
Edwin gets ahead 3-1 in the count, takes a fastball strike, then grounds into a force out. One down.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:42 AM
Its still replacing crap with crap.
Its less bad crap.

He has a 8.51 ERA. His career ERA coming into tonight was 6.65, and that will go up. Homer Bailey is a bad pitcher. The end. Next.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:43 AM
Good thing he learned that splitter in AAA cause if he hadn't, I don't even want to think about how bad he'd pitch.
It's all abunch of crap. I'm sure he'll go down again, he will "figure" something out, he'll have a fluke start or two, and people will say it's the real Homer Bailey.

You are looking at the real Homer Bailey tonight. He's a AAAA pitcher.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:44 AM
Hanigan watches a first-pitch strike. Breaking ball away. Double-play grounder, 6-4-3.

I can't even type complete sentences at this point.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:46 AM
Oh, good. Three unearned runs mean Homer's ERA is actually just 7.63, not 8.51. Phew.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:46 AM
It's all abunch of crap. I'm sure he'll go down again, he will "figure" something out, he'll have a fluke start or two, and people will say it's the real Homer Bailey.

You are looking at the real Homer Bailey tonight. He's a AAAA pitcher.

I think you have made your point abundently clear on where you stand with Bailey. Since no one is disagreeing with you I think its safe to say that you can stand down a bit.

paintmered
07-22-2009, 12:46 AM
It's about time for BCast to take out another full-page ad in the Enquirer.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:46 AM
Burton grounds Pierre to second. One out.

Tom Servo
07-22-2009, 12:46 AM
At this point, the team's going nowhere so I let Homer stay in the rotation the rest of the season. What do we have to lose?

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:47 AM
Hanigan looks like he has become infected by what ails the rest of the offense, a failure to produce.

WVRedsFan
07-22-2009, 12:47 AM
Is this team better than the opening day 2008 team? NO.

Time to blow it up, but as always, too many bad contracts. Who would want Arroyo, Hairston, Taveras, Gonzalez, and Gomes/Nix? Nobody. Couldn't give Bailey or Owings away. That leaves the tradable as Votto, Ecarnacion, Phillips, and Bruce. That should be the nucleus for the future. It's going to be rough.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:49 AM
Ethier pounds a double to right.

VR
07-22-2009, 12:49 AM
Other than Cordero they have very little to trade.

Harang, Arroyo, Weathers, Rhodes.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:49 AM
Dodgers have some solid AB songs.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:50 AM
Burton flings a bunch of sliders at Blake. One gets by him for strike three swinging.

Stormy
07-22-2009, 12:50 AM
Should have padded those AAA stats and dealt him. Oh well.

Aside from a few minor bullpen additions, Walt's next significant accurate evaluation will virtually be his first.

He has a plus defender 370OBP CF and leadoff hitter in house, but he opts to spend $6.5 million to replace him with an erratic defender 290OBP blackhole. He gambles that career year JHJ is the new norm, and loses. Despite a desperate need for both a franchise SS, and a RHH big bopper in LF, he decides to stand pat (or rely upon reclamation projects). He accepts a low velocity, control-challenged Owings to be an acceptable return for a 900+OPS LF like Dunn, then doesn't replace the lost production. He errantly promotes Homer Bailey repeatedly, rather than trying to maximize his trade value at AAA. He fails to move Arroyo, despite Bronson posting 100IP of 3.47 ERA ball in the 2nd half of last year, and reports that teams were inquiring about him...

We're spinning our wheels here, and haven't added any impact MLB talent in well over a year, in the process.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:50 AM
Harang, Arroyo, Weathers, Rhodes.
Arroyo has an ERA above 5 with a big contract and is on the wrong side of 30. You won't get a lot for old middle relievers. Harang? You might be able to get something for him.

Kc61
07-22-2009, 12:51 AM
I am at least hopeful Jocketty, Castellini et al will realize this club needs to be sellers now. They should be able to land quite a haul right now.

Sure, let's go sell good veterans and get some more young kids. Put a sign in front of GABP -- "come watch our inexperienced players struggle while other teams' established veterans beat us into oblivion."

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:51 AM
Martin hits Jared's first pitch to right. The first zero on the frowny side of the scoreboard tonight!

Burton's at just 13 pitches, so he can probably go another inning.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:52 AM
Sure, let's go sell good veterans and get some more young kids. Put a sign in front of GABP -- "come watch our inexperienced players struggle while other teams' established veterans beat us into oblivion."
Todays Reds lineup has how many players 26 or younger? Two? We're not exactly playing the kids here.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:53 AM
Well, I guess Rosales and Bailey would make that 4. However, it's hard for me to include them seeing as how they both have no future.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:54 AM
When you have teams telling Toronto to pick up some of Hallidays salary in a trade it will be very hard to move those two contracts that Harang and Arroyo have.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:55 AM
Oh and Janish, but again he's bad.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:55 AM
Pete Rosales leads off the Reds' fifth. Again he battles with a bunch of fouloffs, including a hellacious Rick Mahler-level slow curve. Eight pitches in, he pops out to second. I appreciate the guy's fight but he doesn't have the tools to punish mistakes at this point. Either that or Wolf ain't making any.

paintmered
07-22-2009, 12:55 AM
When you have teams telling Toronto to pick up some of Hallidays salary in a trade it will be very hard to move those two contracts that Harang and Arroyo have.

Maybe we can get Arroyo to pay part of his own salary by forcing him to play gigs on his off-days?

Kc61
07-22-2009, 12:56 AM
Todays Reds lineup has how many players 26 or younger? Two? We're not exactly playing the kids here.

On my TV there's Hanigan, Rosales, EE, Votto, Bailey, Janish all starting tonight. Not exactly an experienced group. Bruce would be there too except his .209 season probably ended with injury.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 12:57 AM
Maybe we can get Arroyo to pay part of his own salary by forcing him to play gigs on his off-days?

He can sing nifty little jingles for his new team to play during commercial breaks.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:58 AM
Janish gets ahead 2-1, then fouls off a couple. Ball three's inside. He grounds to short. Two down.

Stormy
07-22-2009, 12:58 AM
Todays Reds lineup has how many players 26 or younger? Two? We're not exactly playing the kids here.

I agree. This is not a young team 'taking it's lumps' while it improves. There's no interesting progress to track here.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:58 AM
On my TV there's Hanigan, Rosales, EE, Votto, Bailey, Janish all starting tonight. Not exactly an experienced group. Bruce would be there too except his .209 season probably ended with injury.
I'd have no problem playing the kids if they actually were talented and had some future in baseball.

EE, Votto, Dickerson, Bruce, Hanigan would be a group of kids I would watch. Rosales, Janish, Bailey are just "young" by age, it's not like they have any future so you might as well play the old guys who are bad. It doesn't matter.

reds44
07-22-2009, 12:59 AM
I agree. This is not a young team 'taking it's lumps' while it improves. There's no interesting progress to track here.
Exactly, the young guys we are playing tonight aren't going to get any better (with the exception of EE). They really are what they are.

Doc. Scott
07-22-2009, 12:59 AM
Burton bats for himself, since a PH ain't gonna make much difference. He fouls one off, at least, then lays off an outside breaking ball. Swings through a fastball to end the frame.

9-1 LA after 4.5.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 01:00 AM
I have a feeling these bullpen arms are going to be shredded by the end of the year.

deltachi8
07-22-2009, 01:01 AM
Well, these past two games made me certain on one thing, I won't be buying the MLB Extra Innings 2nd half package.

This is just ugly...nearly to the point of finding the Astros shirt I saw today as attractive. Almost...

Stormy
07-22-2009, 01:02 AM
On my TV there's Hanigan, Rosales, EE, Votto, Bailey, Janish all starting tonight. Not exactly an experienced group. Bruce would be there too except his .209 season probably ended with injury.

Youth, but precious little promise. Aside from Bruce, all of those guys are already producing near their future ceilings. For some those ceilings are stellar (Votto), for some they are median to above average (EdE), and for some they are pedestrian (Rosales, Janish etc...) but we're not awaiting a bunch of imminent production/progress here.

reds44
07-22-2009, 01:03 AM
The Reds need other talent to compliment "the kids". Right now they are playing kids with a bunch of crap.

Cueto, Votto, Volquez, Bruce, Edwin, Dickerson, Hanigan are all nice pieces but if you surround them with Nix, Gomes, Taveras, Hairston, Owings, Bailey, Rosales, Janish, etc. it does you absolutely no good. Eventually the group of young guys will depart.

The Reds are in a terrible cycle of always being a few pieces short. In the Dunn/Griffey era it was always, they just need some pitching. Now the pitching is somewhat better but the offense sucks.

It's like this franchise is going nowhere.


Youth, but precious little promise. Aside from Bruce, all of those guys are already producing near their future ceilings. For some those ceilings are stellar (Votto), for some they are median to above average (EdE), and for some they are pedestrian (Rosales, Janish etc...) but we're not awaiting a bunch of imminent production/progress here.
Stomy gets it.

wally post
07-22-2009, 01:06 AM
My internet is intermittent and i don't have the time to get it fixed. My wife is in the hospital since November 08 with leukemia. I have not played my drums (which I do very well) since then and miss it, and my Reds are proving to be the wikipedia definition of suck, lost... or clearly a ship unmanned by people that have their act together.

I have given much thought to my own personal survival through this and have decided to root for the Phillies. (while I live in NYC, and have for thirty or so years, I just can't get inside either of the NY teams) I will follow the Reds faithfully, but I NEED to follow a team like the Phillies right now. I'm still checking in here at least twice per day. I have to say (in light of my decision) that I hope the Phillies don't trade for any Reds' pitchers - but if they do, I do hope they give a whole lot up!

Sorry for the interruption.

reds44
07-22-2009, 01:10 AM
We are on our was to 22-1 part 2.

VR
07-22-2009, 01:11 AM
Sure, let's go sell good veterans and get some more young kids. Put a sign in front of GABP -- "come watch our inexperienced players struggle while other teams' established veterans beat us into oblivion."

Or Walt can sit on his hands while the veterans get more expensive, and lose any value, while the team is ensconced in mediocrity.


The Dodgers should score another 5 runs tonight, while the Reds should be able to garner 1 more walk and 1 more hit.

paintmered
07-22-2009, 01:11 AM
So who do you want back with the Reds next year?

My list: Cueto, Volquez, Votto, Bruce and maybe Masset. It's late and I'm frustrated with this team. Right now, I want to see 20 new faces for the Reds next year.

Stormy
07-22-2009, 01:12 AM
My internet is intermittent and i don't have the time to get it fixed. My wife is in the hospital since November 08 with leukemia. I have not played my drums (which I do very well) since then and miss it, and my Reds are proving to be the wikipedia definition of suck, lost... or clearly a ship unmanned by people that have their act together.



I'm so sorry to hear that Wally. I wish you guys the best, and you'll be in my prayers.

reds44
07-22-2009, 01:12 AM
So who do you want back with the Reds next year?

My list: Cueto, Volquez, Votto, Bruce and maybe Masset. It's late and I'm frustrated with this team. Right now, I want to see 20 new faces for the Reds next year.
Cueto
Volquez
Bruce
Votto
Encarnacion
Masset
Cordero
Herrera
Hanigan
Phillips

The rest can go.

TheNext44
07-22-2009, 01:14 AM
So my girlfriend just asked me why I don't just watch the game and not care who wins.
I think a jury would never convict me if I explained the circumstances behind her death.

Stormy
07-22-2009, 01:14 AM
Or Walt can sit on his hands while the veterans get more expensive, and lose any value, while the team is ensconced in mediocrity.


The Dodgers should score another 5 runs tonight, while the Reds should be able to garner 1 more walk and 1 more hit.

I could see us garnering another walk OR a hit, but both?

VR
07-22-2009, 01:15 AM
I'm so sorry to hear that Wally. I wish you guys the best, and you'll be in my prayers.

Indeed. Suddenly I'm cheering a bit for the Phillies. :)

paintmered
07-22-2009, 01:15 AM
So my girlfriend just asked me why I don't just watch the game and not care who wins.
I think a jury would never convict me if I explained the circumstances behind her death.

There are many disaffected Reds fans out there. It shouldn't be hard to round up twelve of them.

VR
07-22-2009, 01:16 AM
I could see us garnering another walk OR a hit, but both?

True....it is against the nearly unhittable Randy Wolf, but hey, I'm an optimist /shrug.

Kc61
07-22-2009, 01:17 AM
The Reds need other talent to compliment "the kids". Right now they are playing kids with a bunch of crap.

Cueto, Votto, Volquez, Bruce, Edwin, Dickerson, Hanigan are all nice pieces but if you surround them with Nix, Gomes, Taveras, Hairston, Owings, Bailey, Rosales, Janish, etc. it does you absolutely no good. Eventually the group of young guys will depart.

The Reds are in a terrible cycle of always being a few pieces short. In the Dunn/Griffey era it was always, they just need some pitching. Now the pitching is somewhat better but the offense sucks.

It's like this franchise is going nowhere.


.

The way to fix it, though, is to add some very good established players. You know, the guys who play on national TV. The guys in the All Star game and the playoffs. Those guys.

Otherwise we spend 2010 seeing if Stubbs or Heisey are any good.

Then we spend 2011 seeing if Wood and Frazier are any good.

Then we spend 2012 seeing if Francisco and Soto are any good.

And by then our current good players are likely gone. Free agency. Injury. Whatever. Certainly our good older veterans are gone. Cordero is gone by then. Who knows if Votto is still here by then.

If I want to watch kids develop, I'll go to Little League this weekend.

wally post
07-22-2009, 01:17 AM
So my girlfriend just asked me why I don't just watch the game and not care who wins.
I think a jury would never convict me if I explained the circumstances behind her death.

thanks for the laugh! and thanks guys - no biggie. We all have our issues before we come here to play together. :)

I'm going to have to buy a freakin' Phillie hat and deal with Phillie fans. whoa.
Might be hard -

RED VAN HOT
07-22-2009, 01:19 AM
Is it safe to conclude that we are no longer buyers?

Kc61
07-22-2009, 01:21 AM
Wonder if Janish can lower that ERA tonight.

If Janish pitches in five games, I say the Reds' season is declared over.

CTA513
07-22-2009, 01:28 AM
Votto and Hanigan are still playing while Sutton replaced Hairston in right field.

CTA513
07-22-2009, 01:40 AM
Tatum replaced Hanigan.

Tatum then made the mistake of thinking strike 2 was strike 3 and threw the ball to Encarnacion. :ughmamoru

savafan
07-22-2009, 01:42 AM
Tatum replaced Hanigan.

Tatum then made the mistake of thinking strike 2 was strike 3 and threw the ball to Encarnacion. :ughmamoru

That kind of defines the season.

CTA513
07-22-2009, 01:43 AM
Weathers with a scoreless 7th inning

CTA513
07-22-2009, 01:45 AM
8th inning and Rosales gets the Reds 3rd hit of the night.

CTA513
07-22-2009, 01:50 AM
Sutton with a RBI double for his 1st major league hit.

12-2 Dodgers

CTA513
07-22-2009, 01:59 AM
Weathers pitched the 7th and now Rhodes is pitching the 8th.

savafan
07-22-2009, 02:00 AM
Rhodes gets the ever dangerous Juan Castro to pop out!

WVRedsFan
07-22-2009, 02:05 AM
Stormy gets it.

He always has. I have the most respect for Stormy, RedStorm, whatever you want to call him. Too bad he's not in charge. He just doesn't come around enough

SirFelixCat
07-22-2009, 02:14 AM
Votto homer in the 9th, but that's that.


Is it wrong to feel embarrassed that I've emotionally invested so much in this team, this decade only to have absolutely nothing to show for it? :(

WVRedsFan
07-22-2009, 02:16 AM
Game over. Reds get their usual 3 runs, they get 12. Homer once again tries to be a MLB pitcher and fails. This anemic offensive team that needs lights out pitching to succeed, is getting batting practice pitched. The result is embarassment. The only way out of it is to spend some money on authentic MLB players, get rid of the Hairstons, Traverases and (put name here). The "untouchable" Bailey who could have been traded for RBI's proves once again he is fool's gold. Like much of the roster. Why did I stay up so late to watch this crap?

CTA513
07-22-2009, 02:17 AM
Reds lose 12-3

Teams looking for bullpen arms got to see Rhodes and Weathers pitch scoreless innings.

Ron Madden
07-22-2009, 04:14 AM
Aside from a few minor bullpen additions, Walt's next significant accurate evaluation will virtually be his first.

He has a plus defender 370OBP CF and leadoff hitter in house, but he opts to spend $6.5 million to replace him with an erratic defender 290OBP blackhole. He gambles that career year JHJ is the new norm, and loses. Despite a desperate need for both a franchise SS, and a RHH big bopper in LF, he decides to stand pat (or rely upon reclamation projects). He accepts a low velocity, control-challenged Owings to be an acceptable return for a 900+OPS LF like Dunn, then doesn't replace the lost production. He errantly promotes Homer Bailey repeatedly, rather than trying to maximize his trade value at AAA. He fails to move Arroyo, despite Bronson posting 100IP of 3.47 ERA ball in the 2nd half of last year, and reports that teams were inquiring about him...

We're spinning our wheels here, and haven't added any impact MLB talent in well over a year, in the process.


Amen Brother!

Ron Madden
07-22-2009, 04:38 AM
Stomy gets it.

Yes he does.

It's really good to see that young Fans like yourself are begining to think for themselves instead of believeing that everything said or written by the local media has to be taken for the unquestionable truth. :thumbup:

Ron Madden
07-22-2009, 04:44 AM
It's not...just the first I've heard of it.

Kinda fun being out of the loop :)


Now that you are free of the brain washed land of WLW radio just keep moving towards the light. Ya just might learn somethin' ;)

Ron Madden
07-22-2009, 04:47 AM
My internet is intermittent and i don't have the time to get it fixed. My wife is in the hospital since November 08 with leukemia. I have not played my drums (which I do very well) since then and miss it, and my Reds are proving to be the wikipedia definition of suck, lost... or clearly a ship unmanned by people that have their act together.

I have given much thought to my own personal survival through this and have decided to root for the Phillies. (while I live in NYC, and have for thirty or so years, I just can't get inside either of the NY teams) I will follow the Reds faithfully, but I NEED to follow a team like the Phillies right now. I'm still checking in here at least twice per day. I have to say (in light of my decision) that I hope the Phillies don't trade for any Reds' pitchers - but if they do, I do hope they give a whole lot up!

Sorry for the interruption.


I'm sorry to hear this Wally, hang in there. You and yours will be in my thoughts and prayers.

reds44
07-22-2009, 07:05 AM
The way to fix it, though, is to add some very good established players. You know, the guys who play on national TV. The guys in the All Star game and the playoffs. Those guys.

Otherwise we spend 2010 seeing if Stubbs or Heisey are any good.

Then we spend 2011 seeing if Wood and Frazier are any good.

Then we spend 2012 seeing if Francisco and Soto are any good.

And by then our current good players are likely gone. Free agency. Injury. Whatever. Certainly our good older veterans are gone. Cordero is gone by then. Who knows if Votto is still here by then.

If I want to watch kids develop, I'll go to Little League this weekend.
Welcome to the cycle of the Cincinnati Reds. Dunn and Griffey are gone, so now we'll start the cycle over with a new batch of guys. Eventually a few of the group of Cueto, Volquez, Votto, and Bruce will be gone and we'll find out if the next guys are worth anything. I'm done with the "play the kids" movement. If we get some top prospects like a Bruce, Votto, or Volquez then I'll count on them, and I am sure some of them will bust as well (like Homer). There's only one guy currently in our system who I'll rely on to be a productive major league player, and that is Yonder. If Frazier turns out to be Bill Hall I'll be happy. Draft and develop your guys, but don't count on them to do it all by themselves. Go out and sign some people. Until they do, they will continue to suck.

And for anybody who wants to show me the Rays, I'll show you the Pirates, the Royals, the Orioles, and (sadly) the Reds. If the Reds can somehow take the entire Florida Marlins scouting department then I'll believe we can win like this. Hell, even the Marlins signed Delgado a few years ago.

I'd be interested to see the most expensive free agent signings the Reds have had in the last 8 years. Milton and Cordero are probably the two highest, but who is next? Alex Gonzalez?

I love this team with everything I have, but I have yet to see a winner since I started following them day in and day out, and there is no real sign of that changing. The Reds needed a SS, power bat in LF, and another starting pitcher and they recieved Willy Taveras, Ramon Hernandez, and Micah Owings. If you took a poll on redszone they would have told you to let Dickerson start in CF and Hanigan behind the plate (for the record, I liked the Ramon trade and I still do), and anybody with a brain could have told you Taveras sucks.

Epic fail to you Mr. Joke(r)tty. The fact that redszone is still crying for the days of Pete Mckanin and Wayne Krivsky tells you the said state that Cincinnati baseball is in.

Oh and everybody lay off Brandon Phillips. Dude is the least of our worries. Maybe we can run him out of town too.

Ltlabner
07-22-2009, 07:31 AM
When I read on RZ that Homer had turned a corner, I didn't realize that it meant back down Mehring Way to get on I71 south.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 10:49 AM
Game over. Reds get their usual 3 runs, they get 12. Homer once again tries to be a MLB pitcher and fails. This anemic offensive team that needs lights out pitching to succeed, is getting batting practice pitched. The result is embarassment. The only way out of it is to spend some money on authentic MLB players, get rid of the Hairstons, Traverases and (put name here). The "untouchable" Bailey who could have been traded for RBI's proves once again he is fool's gold. Like much of the roster. Why did I stay up so late to watch this crap?

Who said Bailey was untouchable because I would like to see the link. The Reds like many of the other teams out there looking for help don't want to add salary. Dye would have been a sizeable investment that Cast and Walt didn't want to make. But no where has anyone said that Bailey was untouchable.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 10:51 AM
When I read on RZ that Homer had turned a corner, I didn't realize that it meant back down Mehring Way to get on I71 south.

Unfortunately he always turns the corner in AAA not at the mlb level. No confidence in his stuff, sad to see.

CTA513
07-22-2009, 05:24 PM
That kind of defines the season.

Maybe he'll make ESPNs not top 10 of the week?

:D

jojo
07-27-2009, 12:30 AM
My internet is intermittent and i don't have the time to get it fixed. My wife is in the hospital since November 08 with leukemia. I have not played my drums (which I do very well) since then and miss it, and my Reds are proving to be the wikipedia definition of suck, lost... or clearly a ship unmanned by people that have their act together.

I have given much thought to my own personal survival through this and have decided to root for the Phillies. (while I live in NYC, and have for thirty or so years, I just can't get inside either of the NY teams) I will follow the Reds faithfully, but I NEED to follow a team like the Phillies right now. I'm still checking in here at least twice per day. I have to say (in light of my decision) that I hope the Phillies don't trade for any Reds' pitchers - but if they do, I do hope they give a whole lot up!

Sorry for the interruption.

There aren't words that can make a difference but just know that many will be rooting for you and your loved ones.....