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reds44
07-22-2009, 08:24 PM
Dickerson 9,
Taveras 8,
Votto 3,
Phillips 4,
Nix 7,
Encarnacion 5,
Hairston 6,
Hanigan 2,
Arroyo 1

The Baumer
07-22-2009, 10:37 PM
I couldn't get tickets to tonight's game (thanks Manny bobblehead night!) so I went yesterday. Yeah...

Tom Servo
07-22-2009, 10:57 PM
Vin Scully loves Cincinnati.

reds44
07-22-2009, 11:06 PM
Vin Scully, and Reds baseball in HD.

Please just get a W and make it a good night/morning.

Tom Servo
07-22-2009, 11:10 PM
I know Billingsley's a righty, but there's no reason why Gomes shouldn't be in the lineup tonight.

Tom Servo
07-22-2009, 11:12 PM
Good start for the hometown boy. Ground rule double.

reds44
07-22-2009, 11:12 PM
Leadoff ground rule double for CDick.

Time for WT to bunt.

VR
07-22-2009, 11:12 PM
Boy that was a sweet swing from Dickerson.

reds44
07-22-2009, 11:13 PM
Sacrifice for WT.

Tom Servo
07-22-2009, 11:14 PM
Votto RBI double. Good start.

reds44
07-22-2009, 11:14 PM
Solid start.

RBI double for the machine.

1-0

nate
07-22-2009, 11:14 PM
Joey Votto opens chat with a run-scoring double!

VR
07-22-2009, 11:14 PM
Sweet swing from Votto as well.

reds44
07-22-2009, 11:17 PM
I'm not sure why Nix plays anymore. Just let Gomes play.

VR
07-22-2009, 11:17 PM
How can a guy swing at so many pitches 3 feet in front of the plate? Serious question?

reds44
07-22-2009, 11:18 PM
How can a guy swing at so many pitches 3 feet in front of the plate? Serious question?
Dude can not hit a slider to save his life. He's like left handed Perdo Cerrano.

Stormy
07-22-2009, 11:22 PM
Boy that was a sweet swing from Dickerson.

No doubt. I only wish he had been batting leadoff, playing CF, and facing both RHP/LHP from day 1 this year. Having Dickerson's 370OBP on the basepaths ahead of Votto and company adds a whole new dynamic to this offense. It would be interesting to see how different the offense might have been if we had an actual tactician as a manager using a couple of true table setters at the top of the order, instead of Taveras/JHJ.

As an aside, nice hustle demonstrated by Phillips on the ground out.

reds44
07-22-2009, 11:24 PM
And Arroyo immediatley gives the run back.

reds44
07-22-2009, 11:25 PM
Ryan Fraklin just blew his first save since Owings took him deep.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 11:29 PM
Big start for Bronson tonight. If he shuts the Dodgers down expect talks to heat up.

Chip R
07-22-2009, 11:35 PM
No doubt. I only wish he had been batting leadoff, playing CF, and facing both RHP/LHP from day 1 this year. Having Dickerson's 370OBP on the basepaths ahead of Votto and company adds a whole new dynamic to this offense. It would be interesting to see how different the offense might have been if we had an actual tactician as a manager using a couple of true table setters at the top of the order, instead of Taveras/JHJ.


That's just crazy talk.

VR
07-22-2009, 11:37 PM
Ryan Fraklin just blew his first save since Owings took him deep.

Houston scores another run to win it.

Reds can win and be 4.5 back. That's just silly.

reds44
07-22-2009, 11:40 PM
Houston scores another run to win it.

Reds can win and be 4.5 back. That's just silly.
And they would be 3 out in the loss column.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 11:40 PM
Looks like we get to see good Bronson tonight.

VR
07-22-2009, 11:41 PM
K on Loney, Kemp goes 5-3. Arroyo missing a few bats, always a very good sign for him.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 11:43 PM
Arroyo's fastball looks like it has a lil extra tonight too.

VR
07-22-2009, 11:45 PM
Good ab by BA, but results in a K. Dickerson hammers the 1st pitch, right at Loney however.

VR
07-22-2009, 11:49 PM
That was the nnnnasty curve of old for BA on strike 2......followed up by another wicked one on strike 3.

4 k's so far.

VR
07-22-2009, 11:50 PM
Pumping his fastball in there at 91/92.

K #5....Pierre helpless that ab.

reds44
07-22-2009, 11:50 PM
BA with 5 Ks

VR
07-22-2009, 11:52 PM
I'm afraid the ump got fooled on that ball 2 call to Furcal......that was right over the heart of the plate.

Furcal follows it up with a fisted single to center.

KoryMac5
07-22-2009, 11:52 PM
Furcal and Hudson are a very nice 1, 2 punch to have on your team.

VR
07-22-2009, 11:54 PM
Arroyo with his best stuff of the year IMHO. Throwing every pitch for strikes, good velocity, crazy movement.

6 k's now through 3 complete.

Arroyo strikes out the side :)

Tom Servo
07-22-2009, 11:55 PM
Bronson K's the O-Dawg. 6 strikeouts already.

VR
07-22-2009, 11:57 PM
Votto with a smooth single to center.

reds44
07-22-2009, 11:59 PM
Gotta get some runs.

I'd bunt.

VR
07-22-2009, 11:59 PM
Phillips rips a single to center, makes it to 1st base in 2.2 seconds. :)

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:00 AM
Just throw him all sliders and he'll K.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:00 AM
Nix with yet another swing at a ball in the dirt.

Edskin
07-23-2009, 12:00 AM
The book on Nix is out....keep it below his shins and he's swinging.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:01 AM
Nix is just awful. That was a hanging slider and he got no elevation on it.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:01 AM
pffffffffffffffffft.


Nix hits into the 3-6-3, Loney with a great play.

Tom Servo
07-23-2009, 12:01 AM
Gomes > Nix

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:02 AM
Gomes > Nix
I think Taveras has done more good since the middle of the May than Nix.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:03 AM
Wow, that is just awful.

Kc61
07-23-2009, 12:04 AM
Gomes > Nix

Gomes can hit but he really has problems in the outfield.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:05 AM
Compound a poor swing at a ball by not running...then get thrown out by an eyelash.
How DO you measure hustle?

KoryMac5
07-23-2009, 12:06 AM
Same old Edwin, glad he's back so the offense can take off.

Chip R
07-23-2009, 12:08 AM
Compound a poor swing at a ball by not running...then get thrown out by an eyelash.
How DO you measure hustle?


What are you talking about? EE busted his hump down to 1st once he realized the pitch got away. Poor swing? Yes. Not hustling? Hardly.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:09 AM
Same old Edwin, glad he's back so the offense can take off.
You mean his 1.005 OPS in July isn't good?

Stormy
07-23-2009, 12:11 AM
Great late breaking action on Arroyo's pitches tonight. He's looking like he's in the midst of one of his dominant stretches.

Caveat Emperor
07-23-2009, 12:11 AM
You mean his 1.005 OPS in July isn't good?

If he'd have been busting it out of the box, he'd have allowed a run to score.

But I can't hate -- there aren't many major leaguers that pay attention enough to start running immediately on a passed ball.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:11 AM
Great late breaking action on Arroyo's pitches tonight. He's looking like he's in the midst of one of his dominant stretches.
Bronson is a 2nd half pitcher.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:12 AM
What are you talking about? EE busted his hump down to 1st once he realized the pitch got away. Poor swing? Yes. Not hustling? Hardly.

Yes he did hustle Chip. Perhaps I should have said it was very poor awareness, as he waited over a second to run instead of assuming a pitch 3 feet in front of the plate wouldn't be caught.

He did rip down the line once he got going.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:13 AM
If he'd have been busting it out of the box, he'd have allowed a run to score.

But I can't hate -- there aren't many major leaguers that pay attention enough to start running immediately on a passed ball.
As soon as he realized the ball got by the catcher he was running to 1st.

Really bad swing? Yes, but like Chip said you can't knock the hustle.

He's been the Reds best offensive player next to Votto since he came off the DL.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:13 AM
Nix is AWESOME.

Tom Servo
07-23-2009, 12:14 AM
Gomes > Nix
I stand by this statement.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:14 AM
Fluky triple after a poor decision to dive by Nix.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:14 AM
Just play the ball on the bounce at it's 1st and 2nd 1 out.

Patrick Bateman
07-23-2009, 12:14 AM
That was very poor dive selection by Nix.

mbgrayson
07-23-2009, 12:14 AM
I've seen enough of Laynce Nix.

Chip R
07-23-2009, 12:15 AM
So, whenever a player strikes out, he should immediately sprint to 1st because you can't assume the catcher will field it clean?

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:16 AM
So, whenever a player strikes out, he should immediately sprint to 1st because you can't assume the catcher will field it clean?
WWRD?

VR
07-23-2009, 12:17 AM
So, whenever a player strikes out, he should immediately sprint to 1st because you can't assume the catcher will field it clean?

Chip, there are 2 outs, a runner on 3rd....and the pitch he swung at made contact with the dirt 2 FEET IN FRONT OF THE PLATE. The moment he swung he should have realized the ball was in play. If there wasn't a guy on 3rd, I cut him a little break as CE mentioned. But with a guy on 3rd?

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:18 AM
Good job by Arroyo limiting the damage.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:18 AM
Season high 8th K for Bronson, as he get a bit of a bonus call on an outside pitch. I heard you get those when you're pounding the zone? :)

Chip R
07-23-2009, 12:19 AM
Chip, there are 2 outs, a runner on 3rd....and the pitch he swung at made contact with the dirt 2 FEET IN FRONT OF THE PLATE. The moment he swung he should have realized the ball was in play. If there wasn't a guy on 3rd, I cut him a little break as CE mentioned. But with a guy on 3rd?

Hindsight's 20/20, isn't it?

BuckeyeRedleg
07-23-2009, 12:19 AM
Chip, there are 2 outs, a runner on 3rd....and the pitch he swung at made contact with the dirt 2 FEET IN FRONT OF THE PLATE. The moment he swung he should have realized the ball was in play. If there wasn't a guy on 3rd, I cut him a little break as CE mentioned. But with a guy on 3rd?

Agree.

Edskin
07-23-2009, 12:19 AM
Vin can make anyone sound like the most interesting person in the world. I'd like to hire him to talk about me for an inning....

"You know, here is Ed Kleese-- owner of a sprinkler system and landscape lighting company. He has memorized the outcomes and MVP's of every Super Bowl and once threw a coffee mug at the televsion when Danny Graves blew a save in Milwaukee. He has this dog named Vinny, and let me tell you a little something about him....."

KoryMac5
07-23-2009, 12:22 AM
Finally got one to drop for us.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:23 AM
We gotta get JHJ in.

3 doubles and only 1 run to show for it.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:23 AM
Hindsight's 20/20, isn't it?

you mean EE should have listened to his little league coach in 3rd grade to learn that rule? :)

Tom Servo
07-23-2009, 12:24 AM
Not even close. Why the hell was Hairston sent there?

Edskin
07-23-2009, 12:24 AM
WTF is he doing?

VR
07-23-2009, 12:24 AM
to the bench with you.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:24 AM
And Hairston gets thrown out trying to steal 3rd with nobody out.

What a stupid team.

Stormy
07-23-2009, 12:24 AM
Bronson is a 2nd half pitcher.

Definitely. Amazing split differential the past 2 seasons, and this year he seems headed in the same direction.

Red in Chicago
07-23-2009, 12:24 AM
ridiculous...

Chip R
07-23-2009, 12:25 AM
Our lucky charm just made the 1st out of the inning at 3rd.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:25 AM
And of course Hanigan walks now.

KoryMac5
07-23-2009, 12:25 AM
I assume Jerry can take the next game off as well.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:25 AM
Did that 99 team make a deal with the devil or something?

RedsManRick
07-23-2009, 12:25 AM
Listening to Scully, you can just tell the guy does his homework. He's never wanting for a little tidbit of info to fill the air. And you have to love that it's the one guy telling you how it is. No need for "color" or "analysis" -- just great live-action storytelling.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:25 AM
Our lucky charm just made the 1st out of the inning at 3rd.
He ran hard though.

Edskin
07-23-2009, 12:25 AM
The Reds have many gaps in talent.

They fill those gaps with stupidity.

RedsManRick
07-23-2009, 12:26 AM
Sigh... gotta love havoc. Judging by the look on Dusty's face, I think Hairston went on his own there.

HotCorner
07-23-2009, 12:26 AM
This is painful to watch.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:26 AM
Ah, the fundamentals.

RedsManRick
07-23-2009, 12:27 AM
The Reds have many gaps in talent.

They fill those gaps with stupidity.

Quite possibly the funniest thing I've read on this forum. If it only it weren't true.

RedsManRick
07-23-2009, 12:27 AM
Hanigan on base again with a walk. Sure would be nice to have him on in front of Votto and Phillips instead of the pitcher and leadoff guy. He's probably the best leadoff option on the team right now.

Edskin
07-23-2009, 12:27 AM
Did that 99 team make a deal with the devil or something?

It would make sense.

Only the Reds would make a deal with the devil that involved receiving a non-playoff season in return :)

klw
07-23-2009, 12:30 AM
It would make sense.

Only the Reds would make a deal with the devil that involved receiving a non-playoff season in return :)

Yeah that was a fault of the negotiator. The Reds had the best record of a NL team against the NL. It was the interleague clause that they breezed over that tricked them up.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:30 AM
Anyone ever had a Tommy Burger?

Edskin
07-23-2009, 12:31 AM
It's as if the Reds are making an instructional video this evening:

101 Ways To Consistenly Suck at Baseball:

#36: Make the 1st out of the inning at the 3rd base by getting thrown out by 8 feet.


#72: Pop up sac bunts 20 feet straight up in the air.


#81: Swing at any pitch that lands six feet in front the plate.


#19: Don't run hard/fast under any circumstances.

Chip R
07-23-2009, 12:31 AM
you mean EE should have listened to his little league coach in 3rd grade to learn that rule? :)

Two things: If you are a RH hitter and you swing the bat, where is your momentum going? Towards 1st or the opposite direction? You swing the bat, your momentum is taking you to your left and you are supposed to sprint to 1st the instant you realize you missed the ball?

Second thing, EE must have thought that was a decent pitch if he swung at it. You really think he realized that was in the dirt when he swung at it?

If he had stood there and waited 2-3 seconds before realizing the pitch got away from Martin or if he had jogged down to 1st like you do when you ground to 2nd, I'd be pretty upset with him. But that's not what happened. As soon as he realized the pitch got away from Martin, he sprinted to 1st. Martin made a hell of a play and EE was unlucky.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:31 AM
Pierre with the 2nd hard hit ball off BA tonight.

Kc61
07-23-2009, 12:31 AM
It wasn't crazy for JHJ to try and steal third. The eighth hitter could then knock him in with a fly ball. The pitcher's spot was next so I can understand an aggressive try there.

But the Reds' aggressive tries fail so often because of poor execution. It's really becoming intolerable to watch these games. Nothing ever goes right for this team. Bad execution, bad breaks, bad luck, bad ideas, just impossible to watch.

I don't blame Hairston for running, but he didn't have a good jump and it wasn't even close. The execution was poor. It's just becoming hopeless with these guys.

kaldaniels
07-23-2009, 12:34 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but last night GG said "the Nats annouced they will not be able to sign Strasburg". I have found nothing to back that up...did I mishear?

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:35 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but last night GG said "the Nats annouced they will not be able to sign Strasburg". I have found nothing to back that up...did I mishear?
Welsh said it.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:36 AM
For the love of God get some runs.

kaldaniels
07-23-2009, 12:37 AM
Welsh said it.

Ok, really wasn't looking to blame anyone...just wondering if it was true.

Patrick Bateman
07-23-2009, 12:37 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but last night GG said "the Nats annouced they will not be able to sign Strasburg". I have found nothing to back that up...did I mishear?

They haven't even started negotiating with him.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:37 AM
Two things: If you are a RH hitter and you swing the bat, where is your momentum going? Towards 1st or the opposite direction? You swing the bat, your momentum is taking you to your left and you are supposed to sprint to 1st the instant you realize you missed the ball?

Second thing, EE must have thought that was a decent pitch if he swung at it. You really think he realized that was in the dirt when he swung at it?

If he had stood there and waited 2-3 seconds before realizing the pitch got away from Martin or if he had jogged down to 1st like you do when you ground to 2nd, I'd be pretty upset with him. But that's not what happened. As soon as he realized the pitch got away from Martin, he sprinted to 1st. Martin made a hell of a play and EE was unlucky.

Would you believe, EE actually tried to PULL that outside pitch, and was still in the batters box?
EE didn't realize it was 2 feet in front of the plate? Really? Cmon now, that's just not good apologetics at all.
He waited just under 2 seconds to run. He didn't need to 'realize' it got away.....it hit the dirt, those are the rules of baseball that are taught when you're 7.

Tony Cloninger
07-23-2009, 12:38 AM
Tommy Burgers......no better than a Sloppy Joe's.......overrated burger.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:38 AM
Taveras needs to steal.

kaldaniels
07-23-2009, 12:39 AM
They haven't even started negotiating with him.

I'm pretty sure it was reported as fact.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:40 AM
Tommy Burgers......no better than a Sloppy Joe's.......overrated burger.

Ok, have you ever had one at 2AM? They are rrrreally good. :cool:

VR
07-23-2009, 12:43 AM
After a great single by Taveras, Votto goes 0-2, then works the count back to 3-2 as WT steals 2nd.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:43 AM
That was an unlucky bounce for the Reds. Taveras could have been at 3rd.

Tony Cloninger
07-23-2009, 12:43 AM
My choice of food at 2am after another viewing of "The Wall" at the drive in....was always the Ultimate Cheeseburger at Jack in the Box.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:44 AM
I'll seriously take a double play here just to get a run.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:44 AM
My choice of food at 2am after another viewing of "The Wall" at the drive in....was always the Ultimate Cheeseburger at Jack in the Box.

That's pretty funny, the Ultimate Cheeseburger was always the call for closing time for me....with the "Mucho Macho Burrito" from Del Taco a close 2nd.

KoryMac5
07-23-2009, 12:45 AM
Pedro Gomez reported that the Nats were not on pace to sign Strasburg, the Nats state there is a lot going on behind the scenes.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/espn-nats-not-close-to-signing-strasburg.html

VR
07-23-2009, 12:45 AM
Votto up to .354. I heard he's pretty good?

Tony Cloninger
07-23-2009, 12:46 AM
Ha.....that is probably what you will get. This team is incapable of a rally.....i thought the end of last year looked like 1982....but this offense makes 1982 look like 1975. This is more like 1937 type offense.

Edskin
07-23-2009, 12:47 AM
In college down in Norman, there was a place called Pizza Shuttle that delivered until FOUR in the morning--- and it was dirt cheap. Horrible pizza, but by that time, it usually didn't matter.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:47 AM
Thought that was strike 3....

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:48 AM
What the hell are you doing Phillips?

VR
07-23-2009, 12:48 AM
BP goes to 0-2, lays off 2 nasty pitches in the dirt, gets a bonus call on ball 3 over the plate......then watches strike 3 go right over the plate.

kaldaniels
07-23-2009, 12:49 AM
Holy cow :eek: ...the Astros are 1 game out of 1st. Sorry if I am late to notice that.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:50 AM
It is getting to the point where I literally can't watch this anymore.

Tom Servo
07-23-2009, 12:50 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2662/3747666869_69d85b56c4.jpg

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:51 AM
Eventually he is going to K on one of these.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:51 AM
I'd send JV here.

Chip R
07-23-2009, 12:52 AM
Would you believe, EE actually tried to PULL that outside pitch, and was still in the batters box?
EE didn't realize it was 2 feet in front of the plate? Really? Cmon now, that's just not good apologetics at all.
He waited just under 2 seconds to run. He didn't need to 'realize' it got away.....it hit the dirt, those are the rules of baseball that are taught when you're 7.


Edwin's got pretty good plate discipline. You really think he is going to swing at something that he realizes is 2 feet in front of the plate? My first question still stands: On strike 3, should everyone automatically sprint to 1st in case the catcher doesn't catch it? The batter's first instinct is, "Oh, crap, I struck out." Then a second or so passes and you realize the catcher didn't field the ball cleanly. So you run to 1st. If you want to kill EE for being a bad defensive 3B or swinging at a bad pitch, that's fair. But killing him for not immediately running to 1st after he swung is ridiculous.

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:52 AM
Who could have seen that coming?

WVRedsFan
07-23-2009, 12:53 AM
For crying out loud. Votto almost ran us out of the inning. And no one can hit. Why do I watch this?

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:53 AM
THANK GOD.

Wild pitch scores WT.

Tom Servo
07-23-2009, 12:53 AM
Pure dumb luck. :lol:

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:54 AM
swing the bat for the love of god

reds44
07-23-2009, 12:54 AM
And then he swings at that.

What the hell.

VR
07-23-2009, 12:54 AM
Edwin's got pretty good plate discipline. You really think he is going to swing at something that he realizes is 2 feet in front of the plate? My first question still stands: On strike 3, should everyone automatically sprint to 1st in case the catcher doesn't catch it? The batter's first instinct is, "Oh, crap, I struck out." Then a second or so passes and you realize the catcher didn't field the ball cleanly. So you run to 1st. If you want to kill EE for being a bad defensive 3B or swinging at a bad pitch, that's fair. But killing him for not immediately running to 1st after he swung is ridiculous.

Any batter at any level should know to be running to 1st on a strikeout anywhere near the dirt. Again, I'm not advocating sending him down or sitting him, but his awareness of the situation is indicative of the lack of baseball acumen this team has possessed for 10 years.

And the guy doesn't run again. I can't wait to hear this.

Cedric
07-23-2009, 12:55 AM
I like Brandon. But when he is your 4 hitter there isn't a shot in hell you are going to play meaningful October baseball.

KoryMac5
07-23-2009, 12:55 AM
Edwin now 1 for his last 14, looking like a man without a plan up there.

Tony Cloninger
07-23-2009, 12:56 AM
Chad really makes EE look stupid swinging at that stuff....it's like players in 1977 seeing a Sutter forkball for the 1st time

KoryMac5
07-23-2009, 12:57 AM
Looke like Votto was expecting Willy T to break for home when he hesitated there.

WVRedsFan
07-23-2009, 12:58 AM
Edwin now 1 for his last 14, looking like a man without a plan up there.

Since we can't define what a streak is, does 7-7 followed by 1-14 define it? It's a total of 8-21 (.381), but there is so much failure and stupidity between the two statistics. That's Edwin.

Red in Chicago
07-23-2009, 12:59 AM
You mean his 1.005 OPS in July isn't good?

Let's face it, with the exception of three very good games, his month of July has not been good.

Tom Servo
07-23-2009, 01:00 AM
Taveras makes a defensive play for the first time ever!

WVRedsFan
07-23-2009, 01:00 AM
Good catch by Willy T.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-23-2009, 01:01 AM
I don't know. There's just something about Encarnacion that reminds me of how I used to feel watching Kearns.

Oh yeah, I know what it is. They both make me very sleepy.

WVRedsFan
07-23-2009, 01:02 AM
Arroyo forgot how to throw strikes. Bad stuff ahead.

WVRedsFan
07-23-2009, 01:03 AM
BTW, thanks to Tom Servo for my new avatar. Just couldn't resist...:)

reds44
07-23-2009, 01:04 AM
Let's face it, with the exception of three very good games, his month of July has not been good.
Sure, whatever you say.

Chip R
07-23-2009, 01:04 AM
And the guy doesn't run again. I can't wait to hear this.

Oh, for the love of God, the ball was right in front of them. Even Pete Rose wouldn't have ran there since it was obvious EE was going to be out.

reds44
07-23-2009, 01:05 AM
Oh, for the love of God, the ball was right in front of them. Even Pete Rose wouldn't have ran there since it was obvious EE was going to be out.
HE SUCKS!!!!!!!!111

Tom Servo
07-23-2009, 01:06 AM
BTW, thanks to Tom Servo for my new avatar. Just couldn't resist...:)
I'm glad somebody likes it. :thumbup:

VR
07-23-2009, 01:08 AM
Oh, for the love of God, the ball was right in front of them. Even Pete Rose wouldn't have ran there since it was obvious EE was going to be out.

You're right. Standing there looking cool is a much better move. If any coach teaches you to not run on a dropped strike 3 under ANY circumstance....he's not too smart. You don't pick and choose when you run in those situations. You run like crazy for the 1 in 100 time the catcher can't locate the ball, throws one in the dirt, or chucks one in to right field. You know that Chip, I know you do.

reds44
07-23-2009, 01:09 AM
Here comes Manny.

VR
07-23-2009, 01:10 AM
At a minimum, they get Billingsly out of there.

Former Bosox teammates......let's hope Bronson can induce the DP>

Red in Chicago
07-23-2009, 01:10 AM
ruh roh...manny up with bases juiced....

reds44
07-23-2009, 01:11 AM
Masset vs. Manny

Oh boy.

reds44
07-23-2009, 01:12 AM
Rosales is in.

The griping about hustle can now stop.

RedsManRick
07-23-2009, 01:12 AM
What reliever do you want facing Manny in this situation. If Fransisco Cordero is your best reliever, this is when he should be in the game. An extra base hit here and it's game over.

VR
07-23-2009, 01:13 AM
Rosales is in.

The griping about hustle can now stop.

Hustle without talent doesn't do you much good.

Red in Chicago
07-23-2009, 01:13 AM
What reliever do you want facing Manny in this situation. If Fransisco Cordero is your best reliever, this is when he should be in the game. An extra base hit here and it's game over.

well said my friend

Chip R
07-23-2009, 01:14 AM
This is really how much people care about steroids. Manny could go up to the plate with 5 needles sticking out of his ass and the place would go crazy cheering for him.

Tom Servo
07-23-2009, 01:14 AM
lol

reds44
07-23-2009, 01:14 AM
Btw, Masset has been teh suck as of late.

Red in Chicago
07-23-2009, 01:14 AM
i didn't even have time to blink...wow..

CTA513
07-23-2009, 01:14 AM
Arroyo could have done that

LoganBuck
07-23-2009, 01:15 AM
How we lookin?

BrooklynRedz
07-23-2009, 01:15 AM
Just makes you feel awesome. And tingly with white-hot hate.

deltachi8
07-23-2009, 01:16 AM
Vince Scully - "Well that didn't take long."

Indeed...

The Baumer
07-23-2009, 01:16 AM
There has to be a curse.

VR
07-23-2009, 01:16 AM
Disappointing he couldn't have thrown that precisely down the middle of the plate.....being a 1/4 inch off doesn't make it quite as impressive.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-23-2009, 01:16 AM
How we lookin?

See 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009

RedsManRick
07-23-2009, 01:16 AM
Classic.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-23-2009, 01:16 AM
Ahhh. These are the good times....lol.

The Baumer
07-23-2009, 01:17 AM
The east coast can go to bed now. :)

Razor Shines
07-23-2009, 01:17 AM
Juan Pierre would have hit that out.

LvJ
07-23-2009, 01:18 AM
That tranny.... :(

WVRedsFan
07-23-2009, 01:18 AM
Chip is right. All that matter is to win. Something that has been lost on the Cincinnati Reds franchise for too many years (not that I advocate cheating on the Reds). This is pretty much the end for the Reds. Masset has been horrible lately and although the Reds offense has been horrible all season, the pitching is now showing us all why no one but us wanted most of these guys.

VR
07-23-2009, 01:18 AM
3 of 4 walks score tonight.

mbgrayson
07-23-2009, 01:19 AM
And on Manny bobblehead day nonetheless....

Stormy
07-23-2009, 01:20 AM
Man those 2 walks in the inning killed Arroyo. Only a couple of hard hit balls against him all night, and good control until the 6th, and he winds up charged with 5ER! That hurts given that he pitched so solidly most of the night.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-23-2009, 01:20 AM
The Reds scrape and claw for two runs and with one swing of the bat from the clown, it's ballgame.

The next time they play in LA, I'll make sure to not bother. I've seen this episode a few times now.

Wake me when the Reds are relevant again. Nighty-night.

Red in Chicago
07-23-2009, 01:20 AM
And on Manny bobblehead day nonetheless....

storybook

kaldaniels
07-23-2009, 01:21 AM
Let the record show that I was a Reds fan even in the first decade of the 2000s. I will use this post as proof of my fandom as the 2048 Reds are sniffing their first playoff berth in 50 years.

Stormy
07-23-2009, 01:21 AM
3 of 4 walks score tonight.

The only one that didn't was the IBB.

WVRedsFan
07-23-2009, 01:21 AM
Hairston, regardless of whether he gets on or not this inning is a joke. He swings at most everything, and pops out.

VR
07-23-2009, 01:21 AM
Man those 2 walks in the inning killed Arroyo. Only a couple of hard hit balls against him all night, and good control until the 6th, and he winds up charged with 5ER! That hurts given that he pitched so solidly most of the night.


Indeed. He really deserved better that to have to pay dearly for two walks.

CTA513
07-23-2009, 01:22 AM
Masset emptied the bases when he came in for Bailey with the bases loaded in his last start at GABP.

Homer Bailey
07-23-2009, 01:22 AM
You guys should take a page out of my book. Bet against the Reds and then read this game thread while watching the game. It's wayyyyyyy more enjoyable.

Thanks for a great series Dodgers! The g/f is getting some good dinners this weekend!

Red in Chicago
07-23-2009, 01:22 AM
Hairston, regardless of whether he gets on or not this inning is a joke. He swings at most everything, and pops out.

and he just dropped the f bomb for all to hear...

Stormy
07-23-2009, 01:22 AM
The Reds scrape and claw for two runs and with one swing of the bat from the clown, it's ballgame.

The next time they play in LA, I'll make sure to not bother. I've seen this episode a few times now.

Wake me when the Reds are relevant again. Nighty-night.

Don't tune out on the season yet, Walt just noted that Alex Gonzalez is due back soon.

VR
07-23-2009, 01:22 AM
Hairston, regardless of whether he gets on or not this inning is a joke. He swings at most everything, and pops out.

With a homerun swing each time, no less. When you have no threat of losing playing time....why not swing for the fences every time?

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-23-2009, 01:22 AM
The Reds scrape and claw for two runs and with one swing of the bat from the clown, it's ballgame.

The next time they play in LA, I'll make sure to not bother. I've seen this episode a few times now.

Wake me when the Reds are relevant again. Nighty-night.

You sure you want to sleep that long?

Chip R
07-23-2009, 01:23 AM
Wake me when the Reds are relevant again. Nighty-night.


That would make you the latter day Rip Van Winkle.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-23-2009, 01:24 AM
Seriously, when was the last time the Reds won a game in Dodger Stadium?

kaldaniels
07-23-2009, 01:25 AM
Masset emptied the bases when he came in for Bailey with the bases loaded in his last start at GABP.

Exactly why ERA of relievers is one of the most overrated stas out there.

Stormy
07-23-2009, 01:27 AM
That rendition of God Bless America had to be unsettling to every dog within a 100 mile radius... On the bright side, that was a real beauty sitting above the Reds dugout.

WVRedsFan
07-23-2009, 01:28 AM
With a homerun swing each time, no less. When you have no threat of losing playing time....why not swing for the fences every time?
True. This script is getting old--from Dusty, from Walt, from Hairston and eveyone else on this team. Here it is 12:25 AM and I'm still up watching this train wreck like there is any chance that the Reds will score any more runs. Masset threw an absolutely STUPID pitch to Manny and erased a pretty good pitching performance. If the Reds were 12 under .500, Taveras and Hairston would start and do little or nothing to contribute to good baseball.

I've pretty much had it.

reds44
07-23-2009, 01:29 AM
I can't keep rooting for this team.

Kc61
07-23-2009, 01:30 AM
There has to be a curse.


No curse. Just very bad pitches. Over the last weeks the Reds have allowed home run after home run by the opponent's big hitter. Grand slam by Pujols. Big homers by Fielder. Granny by Manny. Homer last night by Manny.

On TV these pitches seem right down the middle. How do you throw pitches like that to these great hitters?

Sometimes I think the Reds pitchers are so afraid to walk a guy that they are instructed to throw it down the middle on the first pitch no matter what the situation.

Chip R
07-23-2009, 01:30 AM
That rendition of God Bless America had to be unsettling to every dog within a 100 mile radius... On the bright side, that was a real beauty sitting above the Reds dugout.

I think someone lost a bet.

The Baumer
07-23-2009, 01:30 AM
This team is offensive to children. The Baseball Mods need to lock them up!

mbgrayson
07-23-2009, 01:31 AM
Seriously, when was the last time the Reds won a game in Dodger Stadium?

July 28 2005, Brandon Claussen was the winning pitcher, 6-1, here is the boxscore (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN200507280.shtml).

deltachi8
07-23-2009, 01:32 AM
I bought an Astors shirt today...not ready to wear it...yet.

Just sayin...

Doc. Scott
07-23-2009, 01:32 AM
Funny stuff. The fear of God now in him, Masset blows through the middle of the Dodger lineup 1-2-3 in the seventh.

WVRedsFan
07-23-2009, 01:35 AM
No curse. Just very bad pitches. Over the last weeks the Reds have allowed home run after home run by the opponent's big hitter. Grand slam by Pujols. Big homers by Fielder. Granny by Manny. Homer last night by Manny.

On TV these pitches seem right down the middle. How do you throw pitches like that to these great hitters?

Sometimes I think the Reds pitchers are so afraid to walk a guy that they are instructed to throw it down the middle on the first pitch no matter what the situation.No. It simply stupidity and poorly channeled cockiness. Masset thought he could throw one by Manny, when he should have been thinking how he could fool him. Bad move. As I've been told for a long time, the good players in this game know how to think before they act. Unfortunately, when you only have castoffs on your team, you don't get the most intelligent decisions. There's a reason why Masset was sent to Cincy for Junior--they no longer wanted him in Chicago and we're seeing why. There's a reason why JHJ is with Cincinnati and got no offers other than us over the winter. There's a reason why Willy T. is here. As Ross Perot used to say, "it's simple." Just like the Reds.

Doc. Scott
07-23-2009, 01:36 AM
Dickerson hits one to the fence in deep right-center, but not deep enough. One down.

Tony Cloninger
07-23-2009, 01:37 AM
One day.... George "Ned Flanders" Grande will turn into the ugly Ned...and blow up on the air and lay into every Reds player and manager/coach...FO official possible.

Then he will end the telecast by declaring his love for Pujols.

Tony Cloninger
07-23-2009, 01:38 AM
I thought Dickerson had more power?

reds44
07-23-2009, 01:38 AM
One day.... George "Ned Flanders" Grande will turn into the ugly Ned...and blow up on the air and lay into every Reds player and manager/coach...FO official possible.

Then he will end the telecast by declaring his love for Pujols.
I needed that.

mbgrayson
07-23-2009, 01:39 AM
No. It simply stupidity and poorly channeled cockiness. Masset thought he could throw one by Manny, when he should have been thinking how he could fool him. Bad move....

Was it Masset making that call, or was it Hanigan or Dusty? Again and again I watch Hanigan look to the dugout for a sign from Dusty, which he relays to the mound.

Doc. Scott
07-23-2009, 01:40 AM
Taveras pops up and Votto flies out to left to end the inning. Mid 8th, 6-2.

reds44
07-23-2009, 01:40 AM
Was it Masset making that call, or was it Hanigan or Dusty? Again and again I watch Hanigan look to the dugout for a sign from Dusty, which he relays to the mound.
Whoever called for the sign, it was not right down the middle.

Doc. Scott
07-23-2009, 01:43 AM
Weathers puts away the leadoff man Loney on three pitches. One down.

mbgrayson
07-23-2009, 01:43 AM
Whoever called for the sign, it was not right down the middle.

I assume not, but watching the replay on Gameday just now, the pitch was right to Hanigan's target....

reds44
07-23-2009, 01:44 AM
Rosales is awesome.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-23-2009, 01:45 AM
July 28 2005, Brandon Claussen was the winning pitcher, 6-1, here is the boxscore (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN200507280.shtml).

Wow, just wow.

VR
07-23-2009, 01:47 AM
July 28 2005, Brandon Claussen was the winning pitcher, 6-1, here is the boxscore (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN200507280.shtml).

The answer...."who is David Weathers"

Tony Cloninger
07-23-2009, 01:48 AM
If i knew i was going to be permanently quoted...I would have been even funnier. :beerme:

I passed up going to any games....and have not been to a Reds/Dodger game in LA since 2003. I had gone to at least 2 per year since 1976 up until 2003.

I even went in 1981 to see the Reds play at Angel stadium for practice game tune up when the strike ended. Weird pairing to say the least.

The Reds are obsolete when it comes to any rivalry with the Dodgers.

Doc. Scott
07-23-2009, 01:49 AM
Kemp reaches on a two-base error by Rosales. Martin flies out, two down. Weathers then gets ahead of the pinch-hitter Loretta 0-2 and puts him away on a comebacker.

6-2, end 8th.

mbgrayson
07-23-2009, 01:54 AM
Reds 9th, down 6-2, Broxton in to pitch in a non-save situation.

Phillips bangs a 1-2 pitch right to Hudson, one out.

mbgrayson
07-23-2009, 01:55 AM
Nix hits a slow bouncer to Hudson on the 1st pitch, two down.

reds44
07-23-2009, 01:55 AM
Laynce Nix sucks.

That's all I got.

VR
07-23-2009, 01:55 AM
Crappy game all around, however it is good to have Stormy sticking his head in the game thread.....even with the ADD moment of checking out hot chicks during the 7th inning stretch. :thumbup:

mbgrayson
07-23-2009, 01:57 AM
Sutton hitting for Weathers, Ks swinging on a 100 mph fastball.

And this one again belongs to the Dodgers, 12th in a row in Dodger Stadium, 6-2.

Doc. Scott
07-23-2009, 01:57 AM
Phillips and Nix ground to second and pinch-hitter Drew Sutton lasts four pitches before striking out.

That'll do it.

VR
07-23-2009, 01:59 AM
Dusty showed one former team how he rolls, now it's off to Chi-town to shove it in their face. Apathy is creeping in.....almost made it to August this year though.

WVRedsFan
07-23-2009, 01:59 AM
This is the beginning of a long slide for the Reds. With no pitching and no hitting, the continuation of playing the two black holes of Taveras and Hairston, and no moves in sight, the Reds are dead. This was the wake and the funeral is soon.

CTA513
07-23-2009, 02:00 AM
Broxton tonight:
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VR
07-23-2009, 02:03 AM
This is the beginning of a long slide for the Reds. With no pitching and no hitting, the continuation of playing the two black holes of Taveras and Hairston, and no moves in sight, the Reds are dead. This was the wake and the funeral is soon.

Hey! Maybe the Reds can be like that MMA dude Kimo Leopoldo.....rumored to be dead...but really alive! And they can come back and win a lot of games, and win the division, and go to the playoffs....and, and....the whole time people thought they were dead, but they were really alive.

Can it be like that?

WVRedsFan
07-23-2009, 02:06 AM
Chris Welsh talking smack about Masset's pitch to Manny, the offense, the club, and everything. Welsh may blow up like many of us. Stupidity, thy name is Reds. When will it end?

Tony Cloninger
07-23-2009, 02:08 AM
Maybe he can go off on Grande too? NO....you can't come to the Ponderosa beacuse if you do...I'll bury you on the sunny side of the land!

CTA513
07-23-2009, 02:18 AM
Chris Welsh talking smack about Masset's pitch to Manny, the offense, the club, and everything. Welsh may blow up like many of us. Stupidity, thy name is Reds. When will it end?

Welsh like many Reds fans is just tired of seeing the same dumb stuff happen over and over.

He also has to deal with Grande all the time which can't be easy. :p:

WVRedsFan
07-23-2009, 02:23 AM
Maybe he can go off on Grande too? NO....you can't come to the Ponderosa beacuse if you do...I'll bury you on the sunny side of the land!

The funny part was watching Grande when Chris was going off. He was smiling throughout the rant--like, "why am I here and what's Chris talking about?"

I loved the part when Chris said the pitch to Manny made him want to barf! He said the pressure on the pitchers to be too fine is working on them, knowing that there will be no margin of error, and it was damaging their psyche. And then we get calm, cool Walt saying Alex Gonzalez would make a difference when he comes back. Now, I want to barf!

Big Klu
07-23-2009, 02:43 AM
The funny part was watching Grande when Chris was going off. He was smiling throughout the rant--like, "why am I here and what's Chris talking about?"

No, he was thinking, "I like pie."

Ron Madden
07-23-2009, 04:44 AM
It wasn't crazy for JHJ to try and steal third.

Yes it was.

Other than that room service pitch Masset threw to Manny I'd say it was the dumbest play in the game. One could say Masset was trying to be aggressive and went right at Manny and I Could almost buy the explanation. Someone could talk all night and never convince me that JHJs failed attempt to steal third in that situation was anything other than a crazy or bad move.

God I hate the Dodgers and to tell the truth with Dusty and this roster it's getting preety difficult to be a Cincinnati Reds Fan. :
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