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texasdave
07-28-2009, 04:00 PM
GCL Reds fall 2-0 today. Pitching gives up two unearned runs. Offense slumbers.


Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB AVG
Bowe LF 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.343
Hamilton SS 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.211
Silva, J CF 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.231
Santos 1B 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.273
Duran RF 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.185
Rodriguez, He 3 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0.372
Rodriguez, C 3B 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.303
Vicioso C 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.361
Gonzalez, Y 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.259
Sierra 2B 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.245



Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Johnson, H 4 3 2 0 2 5 0 1.06
Driessen 2 1 0 0 0 2 0 1.71
Rodriguez, Rau 2 1 0 0 1 1 0 1.20

redsof72
07-28-2009, 04:51 PM
Not sure if this is in another thread but Matt Fairel is headed to Sarasota.

Mark Serrano makes his first start tonight.

redsof72
07-28-2009, 04:54 PM
Also, Andrew Means out for the year (wrist).

Benihana
07-28-2009, 05:28 PM
Not sure if this is in another thread but Matt Fairel is headed to Sarasota.

Good, been clamoring for this for a while. Now all we need is Puckett to join him in Sarasota and Frazier to Louisville and we should be done with minor league promotions for the time being.

Snowden to Dayton and Cline to Billings are the two others worthy of consideration. But let's see how Serrano does in Dayton first.

GOYA
07-28-2009, 07:28 PM
Stubbs CF .269
Heisey LF .313
McDonald RF .323
Barker 1B .275
Bankston DH .257
Eymann 3B .182
Valaika SS .206
Bolivar 2B .243
Peterson C .111

Jukich P

The Bats' bats are potent in the first

Stubbs single
McD single
Barker sac fly
Bankston RBI single
Eymann single

2-0 Bats after 1

GOYA
07-28-2009, 07:33 PM
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Jukich 2.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 4.25

GOYA
07-28-2009, 07:37 PM
Mr. Darnell McDonald

last 10 games:

.459/.486/.703

GOYA
07-28-2009, 07:54 PM
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Jukich 3.0 2 0 0 1 4 0 4.20

dougdirt
07-28-2009, 07:59 PM
Dayton is down 2-0 in the 4th.

Sarasota is down 1-0.

Carolina tied at 0. Klinker has 6 K's and 3 walks in 3 innings.

aubashbrother
07-28-2009, 07:59 PM
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Klinker 3.0 1 0 0 3 6 0 2.94

aubashbrother
07-28-2009, 07:59 PM
well doug beat me to it

aubashbrother
07-28-2009, 08:01 PM
Carolina takes 2 0 lead on a 2 run homer from Chapman

aubashbrother
07-28-2009, 08:03 PM
Francisco makes it 3 - 0 with his 19th

dougdirt
07-28-2009, 08:12 PM
Bryon Wiley just tied it up in Dayton with a 2 run HR.

aubashbrother
07-28-2009, 08:16 PM
Klinker 8 k's thru 4 and on the Francisco error watch he commited his 31st tonight :rolleyes:

dougdirt
07-28-2009, 08:18 PM
Klinker 8 k's thru 4
He has really jumped forward this year after a solid year in Dayton last season.

aubashbrother
07-28-2009, 08:21 PM
Whats Klinkers stuff like Doug? Seems to be getting a fair amount of k's does he have a legit out pitch ?

GOYA
07-28-2009, 08:27 PM
2-1 Bats at the top of the 5th

Your Louisville Bats 7, 8 and 9 hole hitters tonight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CuLpBDo-Ac


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Jukich 4.0 5 1 1 1 4 1 4.26

GOYA
07-28-2009, 08:31 PM
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Jukich 5.0 5 1 1 1 6 1 4.21

Pitches-strikes: Jukich 73-47 - 64%

aubashbrother
07-28-2009, 08:33 PM
thats one of the funniest things ive seen .

HokieRed
07-28-2009, 08:48 PM
Jukich has thrown the ball extremely well since being moved back to starting. Will he move past Maloney on depth chart?

dougdirt
07-28-2009, 08:52 PM
Solid debut as a starter for Mark Serrano up in Dayton.


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Serrano 5.0 6 2 2 0 5 0 2.77

dougdirt
07-28-2009, 08:52 PM
Sarasota is down 2-0 in the 5th.

GOYA
07-28-2009, 08:59 PM
A rough 6th after two outs for Jukich. Tied 2-2.


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Jukich 6.0 7 2 2 2 9 1 4.26

HokieRed
07-28-2009, 09:03 PM
Still gotta like those 9 K's by Jukich.

GOYA
07-28-2009, 09:07 PM
Still gotta like those 9 K's by Jukich.

Yep, he's been very good. Just don't put him in the bullpen and he's money.

11larkin11
07-28-2009, 09:14 PM
Cozart hasn't started since the 24th, but has PH in all 3 games and went 0-0 with a BB in each of them

GOYA
07-28-2009, 09:32 PM
Todd Frazier's brother Jeff is 23 for his last 44.

GOYA
07-28-2009, 09:49 PM
Valaika, Bolivar and Peterson due up in the bottom of the 9th tied 2-2.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2009, 10:05 PM
Yorman is 1-for-2 so far tonight.

Gregorius is 2-for-2.

mace
07-28-2009, 10:28 PM
Joseph Krebs has been promoted to Carolina, and he's pitching in extra innings. Good. He deserved it. That guy pitched really well for Sarasota.

mace
07-28-2009, 10:32 PM
Sarasota rallied with two in the 7th and one in the 9th to win 3-2. Steven Otterness with three shutout innings for the victory. Shane Carlson's 2-for-3 puts him at .348.

GOYA
07-28-2009, 10:34 PM
3 unearned runs in the top of the 11th put Toledo ahead.

Bats have scored one so far in the home half.

mace
07-28-2009, 10:34 PM
But Dayton loses on two in the 9th, 4-3. Kevin Coddington, a catcher batting second, is now at .311 after going 3 for 3. He's been impressive all year.

mace
07-28-2009, 10:38 PM
Billings getting smoked, but D.D. Gregorius, 3-for-3, now at .371. That's a 19-year-old SS. I don't suppose anyone knows how his defense is?

GOYA
07-28-2009, 10:42 PM
Dorn with a 2-out RBI pinch hit single

Bats need 1 to tie with men on 1st and 3rd.

Stubbs coming up.

GOYA
07-28-2009, 10:47 PM
BATS WIN!!!!

Stubbs knocks a double down the line and Sweet sends Dorn from first base.

4 runs in the bottom of the 11th to win by 1.

!!!!!!!

11larkin11
07-28-2009, 10:48 PM
BATS WIN!!!!

Stubbs knocks a double down the line and Sweet sends Dorn from first base.

4 runs in the bottom of the 11th to win by 1.

!!!!!!!

What a call by the Bats announcer (not Kelch). Gave me goosebumps. Play seemed like it took forever

GOYA
07-28-2009, 10:49 PM
What a call by the Bats announcer (not Kelch). Gave me goosebumps. Play seemed like it took forever

It did. Dorn was running. LOL

GOYA
07-28-2009, 10:54 PM
Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Stubbs CF 5 1 3 1 0 0 2 0 1 .272
Heisey LF 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .301
McDonald RF 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 .318
Barker 1B 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 .272
Bankston DH 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 2 .255
Eymann 3B 5 1 2 1 0 0 2 0 0 .211
Valaika SS 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .202
Bolivar 2B 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 .240
Peterson C 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 .133
Dorn PH 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 .254

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Jukich 6.0 7 2 2 2 9 1 4.26
Wells, K 1.0 2 0 0 0 0 0 2.81
Viola 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 0 4.89
Stewart, Z 1.2 0 0 0 2 2 0 0.73
Kennard, J (W, 3-1) 2.0 2 3 0 2 3 0 2.53

HokieRed
07-28-2009, 11:03 PM
If Stubbs can put together a solid week, it's time to move him up, given what we're putting on the field right now in Cinti.

Benihana
07-28-2009, 11:10 PM
If Stubbs can put together a solid week, it's time to move him up, given what we're putting on the field right now in Cinti.

Or move him out (via trade). That would be my choice.

mace
07-28-2009, 11:14 PM
Quite a night on the farms. Carolina wins with two outs in the bottom of the 13th on a 2-run double by Francisco, 5-4. Chattanooga scored one in the top of 13 and Carolina had nobody on with two outs. But Chapman and Kahaulelio walked in front of Francisco, who delivered off a tough 24-year-old lefty.

mace
07-28-2009, 11:18 PM
So Louisville and Carolina both won after falling behind in extra innings, both with a guy scoring from first base on a two-out double by a strong left-handed hitter. And Sarasota won with a run in the bottom of the ninth. And Dayton lost by giving up two in the top of the 9th.

Edit: Was wrong on the above, concerning the strong left-handed hitters. I was thinking Dorn drove in the two to win for Louisville, but he scored the run on Stubbs' double. At any rate, it's nice to see the big-time prospects (Stubbs and Francisco) coming through in those situations.

GIDP
07-28-2009, 11:21 PM
If Stubbs can put together a solid week, it's time to move him up, given what we're putting on the field right now in Cinti.

If they were to bring stubbs up and play him anywhere other than center its a waste, and we know how the Reds feel about their CF options so ... there is that.

KoryMac5
07-28-2009, 11:43 PM
No need to bring Stubbs up until after the deadline. I imagine we will see him when the rosters expand.

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2009, 12:25 AM
Yorman finished 1-for-4 with a walk. Gregorius went 3-for-5.

Screwball
07-29-2009, 12:39 AM
DSL Reds lost to the DSL Cubs 10-7. Junior Arias went 0-5, and his OPS has dropped to .660. He's still really young though at only 17 years old.

PuffyPig
07-29-2009, 08:37 AM
Or move him out (via trade). That would be my choice.

I doubt we see the Reds move premium propsects for verteran help at the trade deadline.

I least I hope we don't.

I can't imagine why we would be buyers.

Benihana
07-29-2009, 10:27 AM
I doubt we see the Reds move premium propsects for verteran help at the trade deadline.

I least I hope we don't.

I can't imagine why we would be buyers.

That's where we disagree. In my mind (and the mind of many scouts) Drew Stubbs is not a premium prospect. Or even if he is (by semantics), he will not be a premium major league baseball player. I hope I'm wrong, but in watching his development, I just can't see it.

That's why I would trade him before the shine wears off. Look at the dramatic decline in the trade value of Felix Pie in the last three years. Wladimir Balentien is a different type of player, but has experienced a similar crash in value. IMO that's what will happen with Stubbs if he's not moved.

I'm not suggesting the Reds be "buyers." I'm suggesting they make smart deals that benefit the team for the long run. One would hope they know their own prospects better than anyone else. Figure out where you have strengths, decide who you'd really like to keep and trade the "top prospects" that don't fall into that category in order to address weaknesses. They certainly figured this out when they traded "premium prospect" Kurt Stillwell for Danny Jackson in 1988, and all that netted was a WS title two years later. I'd like to call it being "savvy."

mace
07-29-2009, 10:50 AM
I can't imagine why we would be buyers.

I can.

1. For 2010. The Reds have been suspending contending since 2000. They have to go for it as soon as possible, as Castellini well knows. It's not working this year, but if nothing else, 2009 has demonstrated that the NL Central is winnable even by the Reds. They're not that far off. If Scott Rolen or Marco Scutaro, etc., can be had without mortgaging too much future, it makes sense for 2010.

2. Credibility. It could right the ship and make the ballclub at least look better. It could change public perception, which is not to be underestimated. (Face it, right now you think the Reds are a mess, don't you? Would you still think that if the infield were Votto, Phillips, Scutaro and Rolen?)

3. The rest of 2009. It would create enough interest, perhaps, to keep the crowds trickling in for the rest of the year, which is a major concern. It could make September relevant. And in the process, create some momentum for 2010.

4. Culture. There's not much veteran leadership on the team, and not much environment for winning. Rolen, for one, could presumably provide that, along the way making the young players better. In that respect, he could be an investment in the future. At any rate, this team isn't going to win until it understands how.

Now, all of that is presuming that the cost is not, say, Heisey, Wood, Stewart and Frazier. Or a preponderance thereof.*

Edit: *And in that light, we might actually be agreeing, Puffy, since your statement was that you hope the Reds don't "move premium prospects" at the deadline. I'll go along with that, basically, although I think I could tolerate Alonso or Stubbs being traded for a premium return.

redsof72
07-29-2009, 03:45 PM
One thing to keep in mind with Stubbs, Heisey, and Wood (and sorry if someone else has made this point): None of those guys are on the 40 man, so all have their three options remaining. They would not use up an option on any of those guys in 2009. That means that when they call the player up, they have to be sure he will stay up for the rest of the 2009 season. Rosters expand on September 1, so after that, it is not a problem. So if you call up any of those guys, you are committing to keeping him up for the rest of the season. You absolutely will not see the Reds put any of those guys on the 40 man and then option him in 2009. You would lose a year of control of the player to have him in a majors for a month or less.

GOYA
08-05-2009, 11:27 AM
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w=mms%3A//a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/14668/2009/aaa/lou/video/072809_tollou_stubbsgamewinningdouble_400.wmv&type=v_free&_mp=1

This is the play that won this game. Hopefully, that monster link works.

It's unusual to see Stubbs get around on a ball like that.

Anybody think Dorn was out?

Homer Bailey
08-05-2009, 11:31 AM
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w=mms%3A//a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/14668/2009/aaa/lou/video/072809_tollou_stubbsgamewinningdouble_400.wmv&type=v_free&_mp=1

This is the play that won this game. Hopefully, that monster link works.

It's unusual to see Stubbs get around on a ball like that.

Anybody think Dorn was out?

Man Dorn is slooooooow. Yeah I think he was out.