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redsfan4445
07-30-2009, 11:35 PM
2010 MLB Free Agents
By Tim Dierkes [December 18, 2008 at 12:53pm CST]

2010 MLB free agents - MLBTR's up-to-date list is below. These are players who are eligible for free agency after the 2009 season. The player's 2010 age is in parentheses and Scott Boras clients are bolded. Current free agents who have not yet signed are not on this list. If you have any corrections or omissions, please email me at dierkes@gmail.com.

Updated 7-26-09

Catchers
Brad Ausmus (41)
Paul Bako (38)
Rod Barajas (34)
Josh Bard (32)
Michael Barrett (33) - club option
Henry Blanco (38)
Ramon Castro (34)
Sal Fasano (38)
Toby Hall (34)
Ramon Hernandez (34) - $8.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Jason Kendall (36)
Jason LaRue (36)
Victor Martinez (31) - $7MM club option with a $250K buyout
Bengie Molina (35)
Jose Molina (35)
Miguel Olivo (31) - $3.25MM mutual option
Mike Redmond (39)
Ivan Rodriguez (38)
Brian Schneider (33)
Yorvit Torrealba (31) - $4MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Javier Valentin (34)
Jason Varitek (38) - $5MM club/$3MM player option plus incentives
Vance Wilson (37)
Gregg Zaun (39) - $2MM club option with a $500K buyout

First basemen
Rich Aurilia (38)
Russell Branyan (34)
Miguel Cairo (36)
Frank Catalanotto (36) - $5MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Tony Clark (38)
Carlos Delgado (38)
Nomar Garciaparra (36)
Ross Gload (34) - $2.6MM club option
Eric Hinske (32)
Nick Johnson (31)
Adam LaRoche (30)
Doug Mientkiewicz (36)
Kevin Millar (38)
Chad Tracy (30) - $7MM option with a $1MM buyout
Daryle Ward (35)
Dmitri Young (36) -$6MM option vests with 500 PAs in '09

Second basemen
Ronnie Belliard (35)
Jamey Carroll (36)
Alex Cora (34)
Craig Counsell (39)
Mark DeRosa (35)
David Eckstein (35)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (34)
Orlando Hudson (32)
Akinori Iwamura (31) - $4.25MM club option with a $250K buyout
Adam Kennedy (34)
Felipe Lopez (30)
Mark Loretta (38)
Pablo Ozuna (35)
Placido Polanco (34)
Freddy Sanchez (32) - $8MM club option with a $600K buyout; vests with 600 PAs
Juan Uribe (31)

Shortstops
Orlando Cabrera (35)
Alex Cora (34)
Craig Counsell (39)
Bobby Crosby (30)
Adam Everett (33)
Chris Gomez (39)
Alex Gonzalez (32) - $6MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Khalil Greene (30)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (34)
John McDonald (35)
Marco Scutaro (34)
Miguel Tejada (36)
Omar Vizquel (43)
Jack Wilson (32) - $8.4MM club option with a $600K buyout

Third basemen
Rich Aurilia (38)
Adrian Beltre (31)
Geoff Blum (37)
Aaron Boone (37)
Craig Counsell (39)
Joe Crede (32)
Pedro Feliz (35) - $5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Chone Figgins (32)
Nomar Garciaparra (36)
Troy Glaus (33)
Mike Lamb (34)
Melvin Mora (38) - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Pablo Ozuna (35)
Robb Quinlan (33)
Juan Uribe (31)

Left fielders
Garret Anderson (38)
Marlon Anderson (36)
Jason Bay (31)
Emil Brown (35)
Carl Crawford (28) - $10MM club option with a $1.25MM buyout
Johnny Damon (36)
David Dellucci (36)
Cliff Floyd (37)
Matt Holliday (30)
Jacque Jones (35)
Gabe Kapler (34)
Greg Norton (37)
Wily Mo Pena (28)
Manny Ramirez (38) - $20MM player option
Dave Roberts (38)
Fernando Tatis (35)

Center fielders
Rick Ankiel (30)
Rocco Baldelli (28)
Marlon Byrd (32)
Mike Cameron (37)
Endy Chavez (32)
Coco Crisp (30) - $8MM club option with a $500K buyout
Darin Erstad (36)
Ryan Freel (34)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (34)
Reed Johnson (33)
Andruw Jones (33)
Gabe Kapler (34)
Mark Kotsay (34)
Corey Patterson (30)
Scott Podsednik (34)

Right fielders
Bobby Abreu (36)
Jermaine Dye (36) - $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Brian Giles (39)
Vladimir Guerrero (34)
Eric Hinske (32)
Geoff Jenkins (35) - $7.5MM mutual option with a $1.25MM buyout
Gabe Kapler (34)
Austin Kearns (30) - $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Jason Michaels (34)
Xavier Nady (31)
Magglio Ordonez (36) - $15MM club/vesting option with a $3MM buyout
Randy Winn (36)

Designated hitters
Hank Blalock (29)
Jason Giambi (39) - $6.5MM club option with a $1.25MM buyout
Ken Griffey Jr. (40)
Aubrey Huff (33)
Hideki Matsui (36)
Gary Sheffield (41)
Matt Stairs (42)
Mike Sweeney (36)
Jim Thome (39)

Starting pitchers
Brandon Backe (32)
Miguel Batista (39)
Josh Beckett (30) - $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Erik Bedard (31)
Kris Benson (34)
Daniel Cabrera (29)
Chris Capuano (31)
Bartolo Colon (37)
Jose Contreras (38)
Doug Davis (34)
Justin Duchscherer (32)
Adam Eaton (32)
Shawn Estes (37)
Josh Fogg (33)
Freddy Garcia (34)
Jon Garland (30) - $10MM mutual option with $2.5MM or $1MM buyout
Tom Glavine (44)
Mike Hampton (37)
Rich Harden (28)
Mark Hendrickson (36)
Livan Hernandez (35)
Tim Hudson (34) - $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Jason Jennings (31)
Jason Johnson (36)
Randy Johnson (46)
John Lackey (31)
Cliff Lee (31) - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Braden Looper (35) - option
Rodrigo Lopez (34)
Jason Marquis (31)
Kevin Millwood (35) - Rangers can decline $12MM salary for '10 unless he reaches 180 innings in '09
Brian Moehler (38) - mutual option
Brett Myers (29)
Vicente Padilla (32) - $12MM club option with a $1.75MM buyout
Chan Ho Park (37)
John Parrish (32)
Carl Pavano (34)
Brad Penny (32)
Odalis Perez (33)
Andy Pettitte (38)
Joel Pineiro (31)
Sidney Ponson (33)
Mark Prior (28)
Horacio Ramirez (30)
Jason Schmidt (37)
John Smoltz (43)
Tim Wakefield (43) - perpetual $4MM club option
Jarrod Washburn (35)
Brandon Webb (31) - $8.5MM club option with a $500K+ buyout
Todd Wellemeyer (31)
Kip Wells (33)
Randy Wolf (33)

Closers
Ryan Franklin (37) - $2.75MM club option with a $250K buyout
Mike Gonzalez (32)
Kevin Gregg (32)
Trevor Hoffman (42)
Fernando Rodney (33)
Rafael Soriano (30)
Jose Valverde (30)
Billy Wagner (38) - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Right-handed relievers
Luis Ayala (32)
Danys Baez (32)
Joaquin Benoit (32)
Rafael Betancourt (35) - $5.4MM club option
Chad Bradford (35)
Doug Brocail (43) - $2.85MM club option with a $250K buyout
Chad Cordero (28)
Elmer Dessens (38)
Brendan Donnelly (38)
Octavio Dotel (36)
Kelvim Escobar (33)
Eric Gagne (34)
Tom Gordon (42)
LaTroy Hawkins (37)
Matt Herges (40)
Bob Howry (36)
Jason Isringhausen (37)
Jorge Julio (31)
Masahide Kobayashi (36) - $3.25MM club option with a $250K buyout
Brandon Lyon (30)
Gary Majewski (30)
Guillermo Mota (36)
Troy Percival (40)
J.J. Putz (33) - $9.15MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Juan Rincon (31)
Duaner Sanchez (30)
Rudy Seanez (41)
Russ Springer (41)
Julian Tavarez (37)
Luis Vizcaino (35) - $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
David Weathers (40)
Jamey Wright (35)
Yasuhiko Yabuta (37) - $4MM club option with a $500K buyout

Left-handed relievers
Joe Beimel (32)
Alan Embree (40) - $3MM club option with a $250K buyout
Scott Eyre (38)
Casey Fossum (32)
John Grabow (31)
Eddie Guardado (39)
Ron Mahay (39)
Trever Miller (37)
Will Ohman (31) - $2.2MM club option with a $200K buyout
Darren Oliver (39)
Glendon Rusch (35)
Scott Schoeneweis (36)
Brian Shouse (41) - club option
Ron Villone (40)
Jamie Walker (38)


The ones in BOLD i would look at. Not all the lefty pitchers just the certain ones. what is everybody elses opinion? I am not sure how up to date this list is.. just curious others ideas

Highlifeman21
07-30-2009, 11:44 PM
And of the ones bolded, how many do you think we could actually afford?

redsfan4445
07-30-2009, 11:46 PM
im just picking the names that they shoudl look at.. cant get all of them

Highlifeman21
07-31-2009, 12:09 AM
im just picking the names that they shoudl look at.. cant get all of them

IMO, realistic bolded targets:

Bard
Schneider
Ankiel
Myers
Biemel
Ohman

You put together an interesting list, but I just don't see the Reds having enough financial resources to go after the big name arms you bolded. Myers is the biggest name arm you bolded I think we might be able to make a run.

Biemel's a guy I really like for whatever reason, and if we end up trading Rhodes by tomorrow, I think Biemel would be a great replacement.

Given Walt's history with Ankiel, maybe he could convince Rick to come to the Queen City?

redsfan4445
07-31-2009, 12:15 AM
i think he can.. he has power and would love our park

schroomytunes
07-31-2009, 12:16 AM
Hopefully some trades are made in the offseason, this team needs players!

by Trade:

3b) Scott Rolen-I think we land him in the offseason if not before. He provides the veteran presence to calm the ship.

Free Agents I like:

SS)Marco Scutero and Adam Everett-both these guys are good players who would hold down the fort till a youngster can step up.

LF)Rick Ankiel-although he bats LH, he could help in the power department and plays all OF positions.

C)Hanigan has earned the job, but needs a decent backup, so I look at Jason Kendall to fill that slot.

All in all the FA market looks grim but if we spend right we will not have to look at the crap were sending out now.

Scutero,Everett,Kendall,and Ankiel would all fit into our existing budget and allow us to pursue guys thru trades to shore up areas of need. Imagine:

1)Taveras-we are stuck!
2)Scutero/Everett
3)Votto
4)Rolen
5)Bruce
6)Phillips
7)Ankiel
8)Hanigan/Kendall

-this is a much better team and hopefully we can add a solid #3/4 starter if we can find a buyer for Harang/Arroyo

corkedbat
07-31-2009, 01:03 AM
Orlando Hudson - (in the vain hope that Phillips will move to SS)
Chone Figgins
JJ Hardy (thought he was supposed to be on here)
Marco Scutaro - (stopgap)
VMart
Benji Molina
Brian Schneider
Jason Bay
Carl Crawford
Jermane Dye (then again, maybe not)
Rick Ankiel
Gabe Kapler (for bench dollars)
Brandon Webb (if he hits the market, I go all out - with a clean bill of health)
Brett Myers
Cliff Lee
John Lackey
Rich Harden
Erik Bedard
Josh Beckett
Randy Wolf
Joe Beimel
John Grabow
Wil Ohman
Wily Mo Pena (just because)

savafan
07-31-2009, 01:08 AM
Figgins is the guy I'd go after. It'd be nice to finally have a true lead off hitter.

Scrap Irony
07-31-2009, 01:20 AM
My number one pick from that list would be Victor Martinez. He's worth five wins to the Reds, as a legitimate cleanup hitter and catcher. If he can stay healthy. I'd break the bank for him, but am guessing Boston and New York are looking in that direction already.

Others observations:
Nice list of TOR-type pitchers should mean at least one or two of those guys drops to a lesser, middle or small-market club. Bad for Cincinnati, as they have pitching to deal, but shouldn't have too much interest in said pitchers.

Crappy closer options may make Cordero's last couple years more attractive to a large market team with a shaky post-season pen. Lack of quality pen guys may mean young guys, like Roenicke or Fisher, have a substantial market.

The list of SSs is long, but underwhelming. None of them look like a good bet. Would rather see Phillips move to short-- it would give him more value and a larger pool of prospective suitors as free agency comes calling.

Carl Crawford looks like he could be a steal, but why do I think the Mets are in his future? Add him to Wright, Reyes, Beltran, and company and they still need a 1B and a RF.

A list of underappreciated players and possible bargains include Eric Hinske, Marlon Bird, Randy Winn, and Troy Glaus. All could prove interesting to a team that pays attention.

cincrazy
07-31-2009, 01:29 AM
My number one pick from that list would be Victor Martinez. He's worth five wins to the Reds, as a legitimate cleanup hitter and catcher. If he can stay healthy. I'd break the bank for him, but am guessing Boston and New York are looking in that direction already.

Others observations:
Nice list of TOR-type pitchers should mean at least one or two of those guys drops to a lesser, middle or small-market club. Bad for Cincinnati, as they have pitching to deal, but shouldn't have too much interest in said pitchers.

Crappy closer options may make Cordero's last couple years more attractive to a large market team with a shaky post-season pen. Lack of quality pen guys may mean young guys, like Roenicke or Fisher, have a substantial market.

The list of SSs is long, but underwhelming. None of them look like a good bet. Would rather see Phillips move to short-- it would give him more value and a larger pool of prospective suitors as free agency comes calling.

Carl Crawford looks like he could be a steal, but why do I think the Mets are in his future? Add him to Wright, Reyes, Beltran, and company and they still need a 1B and a RF.

A list of underappreciated players and possible bargains include Eric Hinske, Marlon Bird, Randy Winn, and Troy Glaus. All could prove interesting to a team that pays attention.

I don't agree about Martinez. Certainly he's a good player, but not someone that fits the Reds. He's now over the age of 30, which for a catcher is a bad sign. And as a catcher, he's not exactly top shelf defensively. I don't think he has much longer left at that position, and clearly the Reds don't have the means to shift him to first base with not only Votto there, but Alonso also in the picture.

corkedbat
07-31-2009, 01:31 AM
Figgins is the guy I'd go after. It'd be nice to finally have a true lead off hitter.

Yeah, I'd love to have Figgins

3B Chone Figgins
SS Yunel Escobar (just get it done!)
1B Joey Votto
LF Carl Crawford
RF Jay Bruce
2B Brandon Phillips
CF Dickerson/Stubbs/Heisey
CA Ryan Hanigan

Can Figgins play LF?

Tornon
07-31-2009, 01:42 AM
I don't want anything to do with Rick Ankiel

Will M
07-31-2009, 01:44 AM
in order to win the 2010 Reds need to add a TOR starter, shortstop & third baseman. Two of those 3 are available on the market.
However, Bob C isn't going to cough up the cash for them.

i was hoping Walt could move Arroyo at the deadline freeing up cash to land Webb, Harden, etc but nobody is that desperate for pitching to trade for Bronson.

my fandom for the Reds is lower right now than at any time since Castellini bought the team. it seems like he and the Reds management have no clue what they are doing.

corkedbat
07-31-2009, 01:52 AM
in order to win the 2010 Reds need to add a TOR starter, shortstop & third baseman. Two of those 3 are available on the market.
However, Bob C isn't going to cough up the cash for them.

i was hoping Walt could move Arroyo at the deadline freeing up cash to land Webb, Harden, etc but nobody is that desperate for pitching to trade for Bronson.

my fandom for the Reds is lower right now than at any time since Castellini bought the team. it seems like he and the Reds management have no clue what they are doing.

Yeah, they'd have to move about $25-30M dollars tomorrow or discussing this list is moot (if it isn't already). If someone isn't desperate enough to take Arroyo & Harang now, they won't be this offseason. No movement tomorrow and you 2010 Cincinnati Reds are your 2009 Cincinnati Reds.

cincrazy
07-31-2009, 01:52 AM
Yeah, I'd love to have Figgins

3B Chone Figgins
SS Yunel Escobar (just get it done!)
1B Joey Votto
LF ??????
RF Jay Bruce
2B Brandon Phillips
CF Dickerson/Stubbs/Heisey
CA Ryan Hanigan

Can Figgins play LF?

That would actually be a very good lineup, IMO. Of course that's assuming that Jay Bruce has a better year next year, which I fully expect.

corkedbat
07-31-2009, 02:02 AM
That would actually be a very good lineup, IMO. Of course that's assuming that Jay Bruce has a better year next year, which I fully expect.

Yeah, I'm still against a Rolen deal because of one the year deal and I'd ideally like more power, but if Figgens could play LF with Rolen at 3B, it would at least score some runs. You're light in power at two corners though (3B & LF).

corkedbat
07-31-2009, 02:54 AM
That would actually be a very good lineup, IMO. Of course that's assuming that Jay Bruce has a better year next year, which I fully expect.

Maybe those around him would ruboff. :D

3B Chone Figgins ..................(.308 .392 .414 .806)
SS Yunel Escobar .................(.305 .370 .471 .841)
1B Joey Votto ......................(.312 .382 .536 .918)
LF Carl Crawford ..................(.313 .373 .454 .827)
RF Jay Bruce .......................(.207 .283 .441 .725)
2B Brandon Phillips ................(.265 .327 .456 .783)
CF Chris Dickerson ................(.259 .355 .359 .715)
(or) Drew Stubbs ..................(.279 .362 .371 .733) L'Ville
(or) Chris Heisey ...................(.290 .325 .458 .783) L'Ville
CA Ryan Hanigan ..................(.323 .414 .384 .798)

If Walt could pull that off I'd never make another snide remark!

TheNext44
07-31-2009, 03:30 AM
Cordero 12
Harang 12.5
Arroyo 11
Philips 6.75
EE 4.75
Taveras 4
Rhodes 2
Lincoln 2.5
Bruce 0.4
Votto 0.4
Janish 0.4
Volquez 0.4
Cueto 0.4
Bailey 0.4
Owings 0.4
Herrera 0.4
Fisher 0.4
Gomes 0.4
Nix 0.4
Roenicke 0.4
Masset 0.4
Dickerson 0.4
Rosales 0.4
Sutton 0.4
Balentien 0.4
extra 3
Total 65.3

A little reality check.

The above is the payroll requirements for the Reds for 2010. It's just a guess who will make the team next year, but let's assume the Reds sign every player after the first 9 to around league minimum, whoever they might be. Burton and Bray are Arb eligible, so lets assume neither are offered contracts. The "extra" are buyouts, Alonso's salary, and bonuses.

So basically the above is the best case scenario.

So assuming the Reds don't bump payroll, the Reds can add around $6M to the payroll next year. Everything above that will require adding payroll, which Cast seems to be against. Even if there is a 10% increase, which is highly unlikely, that only leaves around $13M to spend.

Just letting people know what the Reds can and can not afford.

And I have stated many times before that Figgens would be my primary target next season. But he probably would be the only one the Reds could afford, without trading one of the big three contracts.

corkedbat
07-31-2009, 03:58 AM
Cordero 12
Harang 12.5
Arroyo 11
Philips 6.75
EE 4.75
Taveras 4
Rhodes 2
Lincoln 2.5
Bruce 0.4
Votto 0.4
Janish 0.4
Volquez 0.4
Cueto 0.4
Bailey 0.4
Owings 0.4
Herrera 0.4
Fisher 0.4
Gomes 0.4
Nix 0.4
Roenicke 0.4
Masset 0.4
Dickerson 0.4
Rosales 0.4
Sutton 0.4
Balentien 0.4
extra 3
Total 65.3

A little reality check.

The above is the payroll requirements for the Reds for 2010. It's just a guess who will make the team next year, but let's assume the Reds sign every player after the first 9 to around league minimum, whoever they might be. Burton and Bray are Arb eligible, so lets assume neither are offered contracts. The "extra" are buyouts, Alonso's salary, and bonuses.

So basically the above is the best case scenario.

So assuming the Reds don't bump payroll, the Reds can add around $6M to the payroll next year. Everything above that will require adding payroll, which Cast seems to be against. Even if there is a 10% increase, which is highly unlikely, that only leaves around $13M to spend.

Just letting people know what the Reds can and can not afford.

And I have stated many times before that Figgens would be my primary target next season. But he probably would be the only one the Reds could afford, without trading one of the big three contracts.

Oh, I agree. If Harang, Arroyo, Weathers and Encarnacion are on this roster come Sept. 1. it will be a sin. That Taveras was ever added to it is an abomination.

65.30
-28.25
37.05

If Castellini were willing to kick it up to the $85M of a couple of years ago that would give them about $50M to play with. Enough for 3 strong signings and maybe even a couple of solid ones. Reds management won't do it, but a competent front office would.

Degenerate39
07-31-2009, 06:56 AM
CF- Stubbs
2nd- Phillips
1st- Votto
LF- Bay
RF- Bruce
3rd- Frazier
C- Hanigan
SS- Tejada?

Sabo Fan
07-31-2009, 07:37 AM
Anyone who thinks Bay is leaving Boston should probably be committed. You're a danger to yourself and others. Reds couldn't afford him anyway. I know folks can dream, but I've found the dreams just make this organization's reality that much harder to cope with.

I'd love to get Hudson to play second and shift Phillips to short but this FO isn't capable of such innovation. They likely won't be able to move both Harang and Arroyo (I actually doubt either one goes anywhere) so there isn't a lot of money to play with. It'll be low-cost bargain shopping once again this offseason and hope that the kids develop quick to at least make 2010 interesting. Dealing Cordero is more realistic, but even then they'd have to kick in cash, something they haven't shown an interest in doing otherwise Arroyo and possibly Harang might have already been gone.

redsfandan
07-31-2009, 08:28 AM
Carl Crawford looks like he could be a steal, but why do I think the Mets are in his future? Add him to Wright, Reyes, Beltran, and company and they still need a 1B and a RF. ...
I wouldn't get my hopes up that Crawford would be a steal. They'll either pick up the option or trade him. But you don't buy out a player like that when you could pick your offer from teams that would be interested in him.

Also, between Fernando Martinez and Jeff Francoeur the Mets may not have to worry about right. Especially if Francoeur can show that the last few weeks haven't been a fluke.

blumj
07-31-2009, 08:38 AM
Anyone who thinks Bay is leaving Boston should probably be committed. You're a danger to yourself and others. Reds couldn't afford him anyway. I know folks can dream, but I've found the dreams just make this organization's reality that much harder to cope with.


At this point, I'd almost be surprised if Bay doesn't leave Boston. They've already made 2 attempts to sign him, so I think it's reasonable to believe that he thinks he can get more than they think he's worth. And, he's probably right.

redsfandan
07-31-2009, 08:46 AM
Oh, I agree. If Harang, Arroyo, Weathers and Encarnacion are on this roster come Sept. 1. it will be a sin. That Taveras was ever added to it is an abomination.

65.30
-28.25
37.05

If Castellini were willing to kick it up to the $85M of a couple of years ago that would give them about $50M to play with. Enough for 3 strong signings and maybe even a couple of solid ones. Reds management won't do it, but a competent front office would.
Weathers isn't signed for next year and I doubt he'll be back. Since he's not in the plans for the future I'd rather deal him for a prospect but if he's still here in Sept that wouldn't be that big of a deal to me. But expecting that Harang, Arroyo, and EE will be gone by Sept 1 maybe expecting too much. One, maybe two, but all three?

(by the way, the Reds have never had an $85 million payroll. We wish we were even that lucky. :( )

Strikes Out Looking
07-31-2009, 08:52 AM
The Reds won't sign any big hitting right handed free agents this offseason. They won't trade for one either. It costs $$$$ to do that.

Raisor
07-31-2009, 08:56 AM
I'd take a real hard look at Tim Hudson, who is about ready to be back soon for the Braves after TJS. I think the Braves have an option on him for next year, but I can't see them using it at this point.

I'm usually not into signing players coming off injuries like that, but TJS has really progressed over the years.

redsfandan
07-31-2009, 09:04 AM
I'd take a real hard look at Tim Hudson, who is about ready to be back soon for the Braves after TJS. I think the Braves have an option on him for next year, but I can't see them using it at this point.

I'm usually not into signing players coming off injuries like that, but TJS has really progressed over the years.

4 years/$47M (2006-09), plus 2010 option

signed extension with Atlanta 3/3/05
$10M signing bonus
06:$4M, 07:$6M, 08:$13M, 09:$13M, 10:$12M club option ($1M buyout)
if club exercises 2010 option, Hudson may void & forfeit buyout

kpresidente
07-31-2009, 09:50 AM
So assuming the Reds don't bump payroll, the Reds can add around $6M to the payroll next year. Everything above that will require adding payroll, which Cast seems to be against. Even if there is a 10% increase, which is highly unlikely, that only leaves around $13M to spend.

It's almost certain they'll bump payroll. Walt said they were budgeted at $80+ mil last year before the economy tanked. Since it's unlikely we'll still be in recession next spring, we should see them ratchet it up quite a bit.

dfs
07-31-2009, 12:08 PM
Shortstops
Orlando Cabrera (35)
Alex Cora (34)
Craig Counsell (39)
Bobby Crosby (30)
Adam Everett (33)
Chris Gomez (39)
Alex Gonzalez (32) - $6MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Khalil Greene (30)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (34)
John McDonald (35)
Marco Scutaro (34)
Miguel Tejada (36)
Omar Vizquel (43)
Jack Wilson (32) - $8.4MM club option with a $600K buyout


They need to trade for a shortstop.

They won't play Janish.
Frazier and Soto have been pushed off the position.
Valakia has cratered.
Cozart isn't going to be ready

Marginal 30 year olds don't tend to prosper at shortstop. They need to acquire one by trade.

Kc61
07-31-2009, 12:16 PM
Whenever the Reds actually pay guys -- even guys like Cordero who pan out -- all they get is criticism. It doesn't come up very often, they seldom do pay veteran stars.

Free agency for this team is usually a non-event. So I'll be in the camp of zero expectations this winter.

Really, the Reds situation is quite hopeless. They don't trade, they don't sign free agents, they seem to be unable to spend.

Rooting for the Reds is an endless wait for some prospect to turn out to be Willie Mays or Tom Seaver. Or rooting for some dramatic change in ownership.

Enjoy the discussion of free agency but it's probably on the wrong team's discussion forum.

corkedbat
07-31-2009, 01:31 PM
Oh, I agree. If Harang, Arroyo, Weathers and Encarnacion are on this roster come Sept. 1. it will be a sin. That Taveras was ever added to it is an abomination.

65.30
-28.25
37.05

If Castellini were willing to kick it up to the $85M of a couple of years ago that would give them about $50M to play with. Enough for 3 strong signings and maybe even a couple of solid ones. Reds management won't do it, but a competent front office would.

I included Weathers in the list of people that needed to be moved, but not in the $28.25M. I didn't check back, but I'm sure you're ridght about total payroll. Was it close to $76M a couple of years ago and Castellini was hinting at adding another contract, if need be. I remember the figure $80-85M range for some reason.

Even if it's just $40M, it's at least some room to maneuver. If this team is going to contend, it will have to do it with a payroll in the $75-90M range and moves will have to have to be made. Contracts like Arroyo and Harang are already sunken costs - you'll have to pay them this year anyway - pay part of this year's salary to avoid next year's.

If there not willing to spend in the $75-90M range, then chuck it all in. Move all contracts over $1M range off the books - with no regard to return, take the money saved and plow it into giving away free tickets. You're not going to contend thiis way either, but at least you'd put butts in the seats and they might even buy more concessions if they're not paying for tickets.

redsfandan
07-31-2009, 01:42 PM
If there not willing to spend in the $75-90M range, then chuck it all in. Move all contracts over $1M range off the books - with no regard to return, take the money saved and plow it into giving away free tickets. You're not going to contend thiis way either, but at least you'd put butts in the seats and they might even buy more concessions if they're not paying for tickets.
Let's not get crazy. If they did that the Reds would set a new record for worst Reds team ever. Free tickets won't matter if the product is that bad. I'm expecting a slight bump in payroll to around $80 next year but that's it.

corkedbat
07-31-2009, 01:51 PM
Let's not get crazy. If they did that the Reds would set a new record for worst Reds team ever. Free tickets won't matter if the product is that bad. I'm expecting a slight bump in payroll to around $80 next year but that's it.

Yeah, I shoulda used a smilie. That was totally sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek

redsfandan
07-31-2009, 03:45 PM
Yeah, I shoulda used a smilie. That was totally sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek
That I'm half asleep probably doesn't help either.

hippie07
07-31-2009, 04:32 PM
Escobar and Phillips would be a very "attitude" double play combo .... not sure about the chemistry there...

I'm thinking we'll probably see only marginal change to our pitching staff.

My Guesses for offseason:
1. Probably acquire a shortstop - my picks would be Tejada or Escobar
2. Possibly a 3b - my picks would be Figgins or Beltre (but I still think Rolen is highly desired by WJ)

Dusty's lineup:
CF Taveras (stuck)
ss/3b Escobar/Figgins
1b Votto
ss/3b Tejada/ Rolen (big Right handed bat)
RF Bruce
2b Phillips
LF Dickerson/Stubbs/Heisey
c Hanigan/backup


In other words:
Free agent acquistions will be (1) minor pitching tweaks (2) offense/defensive upgrade at shortshop (3) offensive/defensive updrade at 3rd

RedLegSuperStar
08-01-2009, 08:02 AM
If the Reds can get someone to take a flyer on Arroyo and/or Harang then these are the Free Agents I target:

Pitchers:
Rich Harden
Erik Bedard
Brad Penny
Brett Meyers

Back-Up Catcher:
Brian Schneider
Josh Bard

Utility:
Mark DeRosa

Bench:
Hank Blalock

LF:
Matt Holliday

*Bold would be the targets I'd most want

I agree with most of Redszone that Yunel Escobar would look good as the Reds SS of now and future. I'd also look at taking some of that $4 million that Toronto just gave us and put it towards Willy Taveras's 2010 contract and say goodbye.

Big Klu
08-01-2009, 04:13 PM
If the Reds can get someone to take a flyer on Arroyo and/or Harang then these are the Free Agents I target:

Pitchers:
Rich Harden
Erik Bedard
Brad Penny
Brett Meyers

Back-Up Catcher:
Brian Schneider
Josh Bard

Utility:
Mark DeRosa

Bench:
Hank Blalock

LF:
Matt Holliday

*Bold would be the targets I'd most want

I agree with most of Redszone that Yunel Escobar would look good as the Reds SS of now and future. I'd also look at taking some of that $4 million that Toronto just gave us and put it towards Willy Taveras's 2010 contract and say goodbye.

Playing devil's advocate for a moment:

If the Reds can't get someone to take Arroyo and/or Harang off their hands, then what do you do?

klw
08-01-2009, 05:13 PM
Anyone who thinks Bay is leaving Boston should probably be committed. You're a danger to yourself and others. Reds couldn't afford him anyway. I know folks can dream, but I've found the dreams just make this organization's reality that much harder to cope with.

I'd love to get Hudson to play second and shift Phillips to short but this FO isn't capable of such innovation. They likely won't be able to move both Harang and Arroyo (I actually doubt either one goes anywhere) so there isn't a lot of money to play with. It'll be low-cost bargain shopping once again this offseason and hope that the kids develop quick to at least make 2010 interesting. Dealing Cordero is more realistic, but even then they'd have to kick in cash, something they haven't shown an interest in doing otherwise Arroyo and possibly Harang might have already been gone.
Boston radio is very concerned he is leaving, especially for Seattle as he is supposedly from out there

Brutus
08-01-2009, 05:14 PM
Boston radio is very concerned he is leaving, especially for Seattle as he is supposedly from out there

Yes. Originally from Vancouver. I still think he re-signs with Boston, but I have heard many times he's shown an interest in going out West.

Will M
08-01-2009, 06:04 PM
Playing devil's advocate for a moment:

If the Reds can't get someone to take Arroyo and/or Harang off their hands, then what do you do?

this is a problem with the Rolen deal. the trade was made for 2010 but the rotation without Volquez isn't very good. if we can't dump one of our highly paid starters and replace him with a TOR starter then 2010 is gonna be a long year.

RedLegSuperStar
08-01-2009, 08:27 PM
But everyone keeps saying 2010 is the year we contend..

Anywho...

I think it's time to put Bobs money where his mouth is. I don't know if Arroyo finds a home this August.. but i'm hoping. With him coming out and claiming he took PEDs might hurt his value as much as he does when he pitches. Harang could actually benifit from taking some of the PEDs because he is on a downward spiral. I am actually on the side that hopes Harang is back for 2010.

If thats so then I think Arroyo, Cozart, and Cash for Yunel Escobar would be something I would be calling Frank Wren about.

To answer your question though.. if no one takes flyers on one or the other or both.. then you still have 2 innings eaters and just have to really focus on getting a big offensive bat and Willy Taveras his walking papers and Stubbs/Heisey in CF.

Benihana
08-05-2009, 06:43 PM
GROUP A
Brandon Webb
John Lackey
Rich Harden
Erik Bedard
Orlando Hudson
Matt Holliday
Jermaine Dye

GROUP B
Doug Davis
Brett Myers
Brian Schneider
Vladimir Guerrero
Magglio Ordonez

The Reds need to sign at least one player from Group A and at least two players from Group B if they have any hope of contending in the next two years. All of the pitchers in Group A are huge injury risks, but that might be the type of gamble the Reds are going to have to take- provided they can get them on short term (2 year) deals. Similarly, from Group B Vlad and Magglio might be two interesting names to take a cheap flyer on after their disappointing seasons. If they can bounce back at all, great. If they can't, they're not expensive. And you still have Wladimir Balentien!

If they sign more than one player from Group A, they will show the world they are serious about winning.
But we all know that will never happen.

MississippiRed
08-05-2009, 07:01 PM
GROUP A
Brandon Webb
John Lackey
Rich Harden
Erik Bedard
Orlando Hudson
Matt Holliday
Jermaine Dye

GROUP B
Doug Davis
Brett Myers
Brian Schneider
Vladimir Guerrero
Magglio Ordonez

The Reds need to sign at least one player from Group A and at least two players from Group B if they have any hope of contending in the next two years. All of the pitchers in Group A are huge injury risks, but that might be the type of gamble the Reds are going to have to take- provided they can get them on short term (2 year) deals. Similarly, from Group B Vlad and Magglio might be two interesting names to take a cheap flyer on after their disappointing seasons. If they can bounce back at all, great. If they can't, they're not expensive. And you still have Wladimir Balentien!

If they sign more than one player from Group A, they will show the world they are serious about winning.
But we all know that will never happen.

No love for Scutaro? That's fine, if O is the one from the A list. Probably need two from the A list.

I think we need another catcher, too.

TheNext44
08-05-2009, 07:49 PM
GROUP A
Brandon Webb
John Lackey
Rich Harden
Erik Bedard
Orlando Hudson
Matt Holliday
Jermaine Dye

GROUP B
Doug Davis
Brett Myers
Brian Schneider
Vladimir Guerrero
Magglio Ordonez

The Reds need to sign at least one player from Group A and at least two players from Group B if they have any hope of contending in the next two years. All of the pitchers in Group A are huge injury risks, but that might be the type of gamble the Reds are going to have to take- provided they can get them on short term (2 year) deals. Similarly, from Group B Vlad and Magglio might be two interesting names to take a cheap flyer on after their disappointing seasons. If they can bounce back at all, great. If they can't, they're not expensive. And you still have Wladimir Balentien!

If they sign more than one player from Group A, they will show the world they are serious about winning.
But we all know that will never happen.

What else should we expect from "Benihana" except having to chose one from column A and one from column B? ;)

nate
08-05-2009, 08:13 PM
What else should we expect from "Benihana" except having to chose one from column A and one from column B? ;)

Good one.

I always love the onion volcano.

Rojo
08-05-2009, 08:45 PM
No love for Scutaro?

34-year-old flavor-of-the-day. Keep looking.

Tom Servo
08-05-2009, 08:47 PM
Bring back 'Nature Boy' Rich Aurilia!

Guacarock
08-06-2009, 05:10 AM
The Reds will have to be selective in the free-agent market with many needs to fill and perhaps no more than $20 million to spend, and not even that unless they can trade Arroyo, Harang or Cordero this summer.

Setting $20 million as my spending cap, these are the three free-agents I'd pursue this coming off-season.

1. Starting Pitcher Brandon Webb. Coming off injury and probably won't be ready to pitch again until mid-season 2010. Earned $8 million this season from the Diamondbacks, and given his circumstances, might accept anywhere from $8-$10 million for 2010, as long as he were signed for multiple years with salary bump-ups for subsequent seasons. Appeals: TOR potential, hometown favorite, willingness to sign relatively cheap for 2010. Risks: Will he be able to come back and how long will it take, if so. Why he makes sense: Even if his recovery curve is longer than anticipated, he should cost less than Arroyo or Harang did this season, he should be able to match and eventually eclipse their 2009 performances, and he will extend the fan base, representing a great feel-good story if he eventually leads us to a pennant in tandem with young guns Volquez, Cueto, Bailey, etc.

2. The versatile Chone Figgins, capable of playing 2b-3b-lf, and even ss in a pinch. He earned 5.7 million this season from the LA Angels. We should offer him $6-7 million for 2010, increasing to $8-$9 million in another year or two -- about the time Rolens comes off the books. Appeals: Switch hitting, speed, and OBP. True lead-off hitter -- not a fading, one-dimensional story like Taveras. Play him at 2B if we move Phillips to SS, at 3B if Rolens is hurt, or in LF if Phillips stays at 2B and Rolens stays healthy. Risks: Speed always dissipates with age. Why he makes sense: We have multiple holes in our offense to fill, so you want a free-agent who can truly supply offense, but move around defensively. We don't know yet which of the reinforcements coming up through the ranks from the minor leagues will make a successful transition to the majors. Maybe Frazier, maybe Stubbs, maybe Heisey or Cozart. Figgins' versatility allows us to adjust based on who breaks through and who doesn't. We don't get locked into one specific plan of attack that falls apart as soon as one vital cog suffers an injury or some prospect doesn't pan out.

3. Catcher Miguel Olivo, currently with the Kansas City Royals at $2.1 million. Hanigan doesn't need to be dwarfed by another Hernandez in 2010, but Hanigan still needs a strong tandem partner in case he can't continue to advance and solidify his claim to the catcher's spot with the Reds. Appeals: Power, strong arm, acceptable game-calling, the bargain-basement fascimile to Hernandez. Risks: He's been around the block and catchers drop off in value much more suddenly than anyone except pitchers. His OBP is dropping precipitously. Why he makes sense: If Hanigan craters, Olivo can not only be reliably expected to shoulder the load, but he might actually supply some heroics.

With these acquisitions, the 2010 Reds should be far more competitive than the 2009 version of the team, and boast a reasonable salary load between $75-$80 million. Here's the lineup, bench, rotation and bullpen I envision:

Lineup

1 Figgins LF or 2B
2 Phillips SS
3 Votto 1B
4 Rolen 3B
5 Bruce RF
6 Gomes LF or Frazier 2B
7 Dickerson, Stubbs or Heisey CF
8 Hanigan C

Bench

Olivo C
Gomes or Frazier
Stubbs, Heisey or Balentien
Taveras (strictly for pinch running unless he can beat off Dickerson, Stubbs and Heisey to legitimately play CF. If he can't, we should cut him by the All-Star Break, and accept the sunk costs of a dumb contract)
One from Rosales, Sutton, Janish or a cheap FA acquisition

Rotation

Harang or Arroyo
Webb
Cueto
Volquez (upon his return)
Bailey, Owings, Masset or minor-league relief

Bullpen

Masset or Owings
Herrera
Fisher
Bray
Burton or Lincoln
Rhodes
Cordero

I'd accept arbitration for both Bray and Burton, and cut Weathers loose, trying to trade him this summer or if not, then buy out his extension this winter. My rationale there: Weathers isn't the best or worst of relievers, but he's too stormy to justify paying him close to $4 million, and his meltdowns often coincide with when the team implodes. Enough already. If the team is going to be crappy, then why not open the doors for a revolving cadre of young relievers, so we can at least have the fun of debating who might stick and succeed? It beats beating down a dead horse.

TheNext44
08-06-2009, 05:24 AM
How about Johnny Damon for left field?

I know he's old, 35 at the start of 2010, but he seems to be holding up just fine this year, .366 .499 .865.

He has no arm, and yet he still is just a tad below average defensively this year. And the best part, he would be that perfect #2 hitter that Dusty loves so much.

Considering his age, and what other older LF'ers have been getting, the Reds could probably get him for around $5M for a one year deal.

They can afford that, and he would then hold the place until Alonso is ready, and they move Votto to LF.

Taveras (Stubbs :pray:)
Damon
Votto
Rolen
Bruce
Phillips
Hanigan
SS

I think Rolen is that big bat in the middle of the order that the team has been looking for, so LF can be manned by a speedster like Damon. And this team needs at least one more professional, veteran in the lineup.

Razor Shines
08-06-2009, 06:35 AM
How about Johnny Damon for left field?

I know he's old, 35 at the start of 2010, but he seems to be holding up just fine this year, .366 .499 .865.

He has no arm, and yet he still is just a tad below average defensively this year. And the best part, he would be that perfect #2 hitter that Dusty loves so much.

Considering his age, and what other older LF'ers have been getting, the Reds could probably get him for around $5M for a one year deal.

They can afford that, and he would then hold the place until Alonso is ready, and they move Votto to LF.

Taveras (Stubbs :pray:)
Damon
Votto
Rolen
Bruce
Phillips
Hanigan
SS

I think Rolen is that big bat in the middle of the order that the team has been looking for, so LF can be manned by a speedster like Damon. And this team needs at least one more professional, veteran in the lineup.

I think I could OPS .750 in that (the Yankees) line up.

REDREAD
08-06-2009, 11:03 AM
How about Johnny Damon for left field?

I know he's old, 35 at the start of 2010, but he seems to be holding up just fine this year, .366 .499 .865.
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I like that idea. If he's willing to do one year 5 million as you suggest, that would be great. Of course, we'd all prefer a guy that could hit 30+ HR, but given our financial constraints, Damon would be a nice upgrade.