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Red in Chicago
08-02-2009, 12:08 PM
Per Fay:

Sutton 7
Hanigan 2
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Rolen 5
Gomes 9
Nix 8
Gonzalez 6
Arroyo 1

RH Arroyo (10-10, 5.17) vs. RH Jason Marquis (12-7, 3.47)

Hanigan elevated to No. 2 hole and Gonzalez dropped to No. 8 today, flipping spots from last night. Gonzalez hitless in last 17 AB. Hanigan 1-for-7 last two nights (1-3 Saturday night), he's hitting .316 and Gonzalez .194 on the year.

Taveras missing 4th straight start (sore left wrist).

mbgrayson
08-02-2009, 02:00 PM
Colorado Rockies lineup:

1 S. Smith LF
2 C. Barmes 2B
3 T. Helton 1B
4 B. Hawpe RF
5 T. Tulowitzki SS
6 I. Stewart 3B
7 C. Iannetta C
8 C. Gonzalez CF
9 J. Marquis P

nate
08-02-2009, 02:14 PM
Chat is open.

VR
08-02-2009, 02:15 PM
Scott Rolen = freak

Matt700wlw
08-02-2009, 02:17 PM
So, we'll have to get used to plays like that at 3B.

I can handle that.

VR
08-02-2009, 02:23 PM
Arroyo gives up the leadoff single....then gets OUT OF THE 1st WITH O RUNS!

VR
08-02-2009, 02:24 PM
Drew Sutton says "Ian Stewart, you are no Scott Rolen" and lays down a bunt single.

Doc. Scott
08-02-2009, 02:24 PM
Sutton bunts his way aboard. Whoa, unexpected.

nate
08-02-2009, 02:25 PM
I was surprised by that. Nice result!

VR
08-02-2009, 02:25 PM
"in the absence of Wily Taveras....you want your high obp guys at the top of the lineup"

nate
08-02-2009, 02:27 PM
"in the absence of Wily Taveras....you want your high obp guys at the top of the lineup"

I want to believe this is comedy.

Please verify!

:cool:

nate
08-02-2009, 02:28 PM
Votto walks after Hanigan has a PRODUCTIVE out, advancing Sutton. BP up.

VR
08-02-2009, 02:29 PM
Horrific strike 1 call on Phillips. Wow.

nate
08-02-2009, 02:31 PM
BP gives it a bit of a ride but flies out.

2 down for Rolen.

nate
08-02-2009, 02:32 PM
Rolen gives it a bit of a ride the other way but flies out.

3 down.

VR
08-02-2009, 02:32 PM
I want to believe this is comedy.

Please verify!

:cool:

From Chris Welsh's lips to my ears. (with the use of some tele-communication medium, of course)


Yet another horrible strike 1 call.....this time to Rolen.


Two good pokes by Phillips and Rolen, no results.

Strikes Out Looking
08-02-2009, 02:36 PM
From Chris Welsh's lips to my ears. (with the use of some tele-communication medium, of course)


Yet another horrible strike 1 call.....this time to Rolen.


Two good pokes by Phillips and Rolen, no results.

It is a Sunday, the umps want to leave on time--they are going to have a large strike zone today. Just a fact of life...

nate
08-02-2009, 02:40 PM
From Chris Welsh's lips to my ears. (with the use of some tele-communication medium, of course).

Lordy!

VR
08-02-2009, 02:43 PM
Arroyo has a fairly efficient 2nd, now at 32 pitches.

Gomes hits the 3rd straight bullet, caught for another out.

VR
08-02-2009, 02:43 PM
Nix due for a dinger, isn't he?

These strikes are they are giving Marquis are ridiculous.

VR
08-02-2009, 02:44 PM
It is a Sunday, the umps want to leave on time--they are going to have a large strike zone today. Just a fact of life...

I agree with that concept.....but Arroyo has yet to get one, Marquis has gotten 3 so far.

Stephenk29
08-02-2009, 02:50 PM
Are Chris and George implying to resign Gonzo?

VR
08-02-2009, 02:50 PM
Arroyo throws the same ball Marquis threw for strikes....a ball.

ppffffft.

VR
08-02-2009, 02:53 PM
Barmes works a 1 out walk

VR
08-02-2009, 02:56 PM
Very nice play by Arroyo to get the DP from Helton.

VR
08-02-2009, 03:02 PM
Sutton with a single after an Arroyo k.

Hanigan swings through a hit and run for strike 2, Sutton thrown out at 2nd.

Hanigan then walks.

HokieRed
08-02-2009, 03:03 PM
What happened on the steal? Did Sutton have any chance at all? As few baserunners as this team has had, that seems to me like a lousy time to call a steal.

VR
08-02-2009, 03:19 PM
What happened on the steal? Did Sutton have any chance at all? As few baserunners as this team has had, that seems to me like a lousy time to call a steal.

It was a foiled hit and run, he was out by 6 feet.

Tony Cloninger
08-02-2009, 03:19 PM
What in the H was that? That pitch was so high and outside the catcher had to stand up to catch it....and Grande is saying pretty good 1-2 pitch?

VR
08-02-2009, 03:24 PM
Not sure if anyone is aware, but the Rockies used to be called the "Blake Street Bombers", and Don Baylor was their manager.

flyer85
08-02-2009, 03:26 PM
the new reds look as crappy as ever

VR
08-02-2009, 03:30 PM
Nix and Gonzo at a sub .500 ops over the last month +. It's just a tragic thing, this Reds offense.

durl
08-02-2009, 03:32 PM
I can't shake the feeling that the Reds will be shutout today.

This is absolutely pathetic.

VR
08-02-2009, 03:36 PM
Does anyone think Dusty's job security is starting to get shaky?

Tony Cloninger
08-02-2009, 03:37 PM
Patterson has been signed by MIL...... :thumbup:

Tony Cloninger
08-02-2009, 03:38 PM
Not with Bob C as owner......Bob C is almost beginning to spell Mike Brown to me in baseball owner terms.

VR
08-02-2009, 03:43 PM
"lol"

Thought it was an easy dp, turned out to be a hit to center.

More lax play leads to yet another unforced mental error.


As I said, at some point Dusty's ability to have these guys play major league quality baseball has to come into question.

durl
08-02-2009, 03:46 PM
As I said, at some point Dusty's ability to have these guys play major league quality baseball has to come into question.

Given the way the team's playing (or NOT playing), I completely agree. Along with the pitching coach and the hitting coach.

I'm typically not a "blow it all up" kind of guy but with the annual "rebuilds" that have been going on for 8-9 years, I wouldn't oppose cleaning house and REALLY doing a rebuild.

VR
08-02-2009, 03:47 PM
Well, Arroyo doesn't have much today as far as stuff. Of course it is completely exposed, as the offense does absolutely nothing to give the pitcher a little breathing room and margin of error. I didn't have Reds broadcasts back in 82, but it had to be better than this.

On a minor note, note sure I'd give him that 3rd run as 'earned'.

VR
08-02-2009, 03:49 PM
Sutton's swing reminds me a bit of Kurt Stillwell.

VR
08-02-2009, 03:57 PM
'let's hope ocho chinko is watching' that catch by Phillips. Huh?

11larkin11
08-02-2009, 03:57 PM
Welsh just said Ocho Chinko ahahah

VR
08-02-2009, 03:59 PM
Solid start by Arroyo. Let's hope the Yankees were watching.

11larkin11
08-02-2009, 04:05 PM
Arroyo, you have two things to do this season:

1. Pitch "well"
2. Clear waivers

#2 shouldn't be too hard

nate
08-02-2009, 04:06 PM
Ow, Rolen HBP in the head.

11larkin11
08-02-2009, 04:07 PM
Rolen hit but ok, taken out anyway.

Tom Servo
08-02-2009, 04:07 PM
Marquis hates fellow former Cardinals.

Team Clark
08-02-2009, 04:08 PM
Welcome to Cincinnati Scott...As fans we get hit in the groin more than the head...

VR
08-02-2009, 04:09 PM
In classic form, tomorrow's headline will be "Rolen hit on head, day to day"

After missing all of Augst and most of September, they announce he really needs Tommy John surgery on his brain stem and will miss the next 3 years...but expect to have him ready for a stellar 2014.

nate
08-02-2009, 04:10 PM
Laynce NIX IS STRONG!

11larkin11
08-02-2009, 04:10 PM
Very nice for Nix. He's been struggling badly

VR
08-02-2009, 04:10 PM
Nix homer. I think I called that 50 posts ago ;)

nate
08-02-2009, 04:10 PM
By that, I mean, 3-run HR. Tie game.

Reds Fanatic
08-02-2009, 04:10 PM
Nix homers! Tie game 3-3.

nate
08-02-2009, 04:11 PM
Earl Weaver smiles.

VR
08-02-2009, 04:11 PM
Welcome to Cincinnati Scott...As fans we get hit in the groin more than the head...

"lol"

Tom Servo
08-02-2009, 04:11 PM
Nix says "DFA THIS!"

Team Clark
08-02-2009, 04:14 PM
Balentine reminds me of Jose Guillen as a young Pirate.

VR
08-02-2009, 04:14 PM
Alex has lost all awareness of what the strike zone is....off a guy throwing mostly in the mid 80's.

Now on a 1-35 bender.

One hit in thirty five at bats. Say that out loud.

CTA513
08-02-2009, 04:15 PM
Nix says "DFA THIS!"

Sounds good to me.

:D

11larkin11
08-02-2009, 04:19 PM
Alex has lost all awareness of what the strike zone is....off a guy throwing mostly in the mid 80's.

Now on a 1-35 bender.

One hit in thirty five at bats. Say that out loud.

Thats Taveras-esque

VR
08-02-2009, 04:21 PM
Oh to have a hitting instructor.

VR
08-02-2009, 04:23 PM
"The Reds took the day off from batting practice today"

CarolinaRedleg
08-02-2009, 04:28 PM
"The Reds took the day off from batting practice today"

Or as Brook Jacoby calls it, "Sunday."

CTA513
08-02-2009, 04:28 PM
"The Reds took the day off from batting practice today"

Are we sure it was just today and not the year?

:p:

VR
08-02-2009, 04:33 PM
Are we sure it was just today and not the year?

:p:

"lol"

JaxRed
08-02-2009, 04:36 PM
"Now on a 1-35 bender.

One hit in thirty five at bats. Say that out loud."

One for 35 ......


You what we need to do? Show him we care by continuing to run him out there every day until he finds his stroke.

CarolinaRedleg
08-02-2009, 04:38 PM
"Now on a 1-35 bender.

One hit in thirty five at bats. Say that out loud."

One for 35 ......


You what we need to do? Show him we care by continuing to run him out there every day until he finds his stroke.

And bat him second too....you know, so he'll get plenty of additional opportunities.

Reds Fanatic
08-02-2009, 04:41 PM
Votto homers. Tie game 4-4!

nate
08-02-2009, 04:43 PM
Joey Votto = strong!

VR
08-02-2009, 04:44 PM
"Now on a 1-35 bender.

One hit in thirty five at bats. Say that out loud."

One for 35 ......


You what we need to do? Show him we care by continuing to run him out there every day until he finds his stroke.

You'd make a good manager Jax....you find your guys that are 'due' and run em out there. Playing the odds, right?

KronoRed
08-02-2009, 04:44 PM
Votto homers. Tie game 4-4!

Adrian Gonzalez would have hit 2 :cool:

Team Clark
08-02-2009, 04:49 PM
Adrian Gonzalez would have hit 2 :cool:

Adrian can hit 2 run HR's with no one on base!

11larkin11
08-02-2009, 04:51 PM
I HATE Dexter Fowler. Hate him. Why?

Thats the second time Welsh has admitted that Fowler coming through is what allowed the Reds to sign Taveras. Dang you Fowler

RBA
08-02-2009, 05:09 PM
Thread is only on 2nd page, but the game is 4-4 in extras. Not much interest.

RBA
08-02-2009, 05:14 PM
Taking over:

Rockets go down in top of the 10th.
bottom 10 Reds 4-4 tie

oneupper
08-02-2009, 05:15 PM
Stewart was tagged in the face for the final out there...ouch.

RedsManRick
08-02-2009, 05:15 PM
Good to see Dusty let Cordero go 2 innings there. Headed to the bottom of the 10th.

RBA
08-02-2009, 05:17 PM
Alex Gonzales is on base with a walk.

RBA
08-02-2009, 05:17 PM
Homer Bailey into sacrifice.

Team Clark
08-02-2009, 05:19 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing a brawl....

RBA
08-02-2009, 05:19 PM
Homer stance is with his left foot over the top of the line of the batter's box. 1-2 count.

RBA
08-02-2009, 05:20 PM
Homer fouls out. Brawl? or Balling?

Team Clark
08-02-2009, 05:21 PM
Homer fouls out. Brawl? or Balling?

I was interested in a brawl but after watching more of this so called "baseball" I think I will go into the corner and suck my thumb.

RBA
08-02-2009, 05:21 PM
And there's the double play. Textbook Reds.

dsmith421
08-02-2009, 05:21 PM
That's the kind of brilliant tactics and execution we've come to expect from the local nine.

HokieRed
08-02-2009, 05:22 PM
Ineptitude.

CTA513
08-02-2009, 05:24 PM
If you want someone to bunt use a good bunter.

:)

RBA
08-02-2009, 05:27 PM
Rockies have runner on 2nd, nobody out.

RBA
08-02-2009, 05:28 PM
Rockies get bunt down, runner to 3rd. 1 out.

RBA
08-02-2009, 05:31 PM
Nix take bad route on fly ball. Falls in for triple. Rockies 5-4

Caveat Emperor
08-02-2009, 05:32 PM
Nix looked like he was moving in slow motion in CF.

RBA
08-02-2009, 05:33 PM
Lazy toss to first give Rockies another run.

nate
08-02-2009, 05:33 PM
That looked like an out at first to me.

JaxRed
08-02-2009, 05:35 PM
It was an out. But Gonzalez's nonchalant attitude has has cost the Reds 2 runs today.

oneupper
08-02-2009, 05:35 PM
It was out, but the ump decided to punish Agon for throwing like a girl.
Can't really blame him.

CTA513
08-02-2009, 05:35 PM
Nix looked like he was moving in slow motion in CF.

He shouldn't be playing CF but hes been forced to.

RedsManRick
08-02-2009, 05:36 PM
With his crappy bat, if Gonzalez isn't 100%, Janish should be the starter.

oneupper
08-02-2009, 05:37 PM
Masset walks off thinking..."this lousy D is messing up my ERA"

VR
08-02-2009, 05:43 PM
I would have there is at least one reporter questioning Dusty's job tomorrow.

I'm not a Dusty hater, but again, a rudderless team on the field that has seen nearly every player digress, someone has to look at the skip....at least asking the question.

Tony Cloninger
08-02-2009, 05:43 PM
This ump is calling a high ...inside pitch a strike.....where do these guys and their strike zone come from?


Dusty should have thrown himself out during that 1B call....he seems defeated.

Ron Madden
08-02-2009, 07:04 PM
The Cincinnati Reds are in dire need of a Shortstop.

I predicted the Reds would win 76 games this season. Looks like that'll never happen.

CTA513
08-02-2009, 07:53 PM
Update on Rolen from the cincinnati.com Reds blog:



Rolen OK after beaning
Posted by TomGroeschen at 8/2/2009 5:09 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Postgame: Scott Rolen says he's OK after 7th-inning beaning: 'I was a little dizzy but I was able to walk off. I was able to cuss a little bit, walk it off, working on my on-base percentage. ... Hopefully I can get back in there tomorrow.'

Rolen has a red knot on the side of his head, via a pitch thrown by former Cardinals teammate Jason Marquis. Marquis was visibly shaken by the incident and served up a 3-run HR to Laynce Nix a couple batters later. Marquis called Rolen after the game to check on him.

"He felt bad," Rolen said. "Our families are friends."

Rolen, 0-for-6 with HBP in two games as a Red, also said:
"I was just happy to get on base. I still have yet to get to first base. I haven't met (first base coach) Billy Hatcher yet."

Always Red
08-02-2009, 08:24 PM
I would have there is at least one reporter questioning Dusty's job tomorrow.

I'm not a Dusty hater, but again, a rudderless team on the field that has seen nearly every player digress, someone has to look at the skip....at least asking the question.

My first question would be why he is sending Homer Bailey, a 22 year old pitcher, up to ph bunt against a flamethrower, and expecting him to get the job done?

I was at the game, and my section was all cussing Bailey after the foul bunt K. As for me, I was cussing Dusty. No reason not to put Janish up there to get the job done.


The Cincinnati Reds are in dire need of a Shortstop.


yes, they are.

I would play Janish the rest of the year and see what he can do. Zach Cozart cannot mature quickly enough.

My hunch is that the Reds will re-sign AGon. Probably a 2 year contract. Seriously. They are still in love with his defense from 6 years ago. And Dusty does not feel comfortable with Janish, in the field or at the dish.

Ron Madden
08-02-2009, 08:32 PM
My hunch is that the Reds will re-sign AGon. Probably a 2 year contract. Seriously. They are still in love with his defense from 6 years ago.

I sure hope not but I wouldn't put it past them to re-sign AGon.

Always Red
08-02-2009, 09:22 PM
I sure hope not but I wouldn't put it past them to re-sign AGon.

I hope that you're right, Ron.

Ron Madden
08-02-2009, 09:38 PM
Someone should start a poll asking if the Reds should pick up AGons option.

I'd bet the No's would win by a landslide.

GAC
08-02-2009, 09:53 PM
Update on Rolen from the cincinnati.com Reds blog:

You could tell that Marquis was visibly upset on the mound after the beaning. It was just a pitch that got away, that's all.

GAC
08-02-2009, 09:56 PM
Someone should start a poll asking if the Reds should pick up AGons option.

I'd bet the No's would win by a landslide.

True. But what are our options? We don't have anyone viably ready in the farm system, and the SS FA list after this season is either filled with guys like AGon (30+ with declining skills and no better bat) or younger guys (like the Card's Greene) who are pretty erratic and inconsistent.

Ron Madden
08-02-2009, 09:59 PM
[QUOTE=GAC;1940430]True. But what are our options? /QUOTE]

I think a 25 man roster minus Alex Gonzales is a fine option at this point.

;)

Raisor
08-02-2009, 10:51 PM
Got back from the game a little while ago. Only my second time at the GAB, and the first time since 2003.

We had a great time. Bought a Votto and a Bench t-shirts and a new away cap. Bought our tix on Stubb Hub, right field seats, right next to the steamboat area. Didn't realize how great those RF seats are. Couple of game notes:
1. Alex Gonzalez has the range of a turtle at this point, and hits like my mom. Needs to be released.
2. Rolen getting hit in the head was scary from where I was sitting. My wife started swearing at Marquis (and had people looking at her like she was crazy), but he looked freaked out. Nix's HR was a bomb.

Had no idea it was Faith Day at the park and that we got to see Steven Curtis Chapman in concert after the game, which was fun.

Pretty great day all around. Except for the loss of course.

Stormy
08-02-2009, 11:13 PM
Got back from the game a little while ago. Only my second time at the GAB, and the first time since 2003.

We had a great time. Bought a Votto and a Bench t-shirts and a new away cap. Bought our tix on Stubb Hub, right field seats, right next to the steamboat area. Didn't realize how great those RF seats are. Couple of game notes:
1. Alex Gonzalez has the range of a turtle at this point, and hits like my mom. Needs to be released.
2. Rolen getting hit in the head was scary from where I was sitting. My wife started swearing at Marquis (and had people looking at her like she was crazy), but he looked freaked out. Nix's HR was a bomb.

Had no idea it was Faith Day at the park and that we got to see Steven Curtis Chapman in concert after the game, which was fun.

Pretty great day all around. Except for the loss of course.

Glad you guys had fun, sweet recap. Votto and Bench, two of my favorite Reds. Nothing like having your wife let the expletives fly on faith day, well done. ;)

HeatherC1212
08-02-2009, 11:14 PM
Got back from the game a little while ago. Only my second time at the GAB, and the first time since 2003.

We had a great time. Bought a Votto and a Bench t-shirts and a new away cap. Bought our tix on Stubb Hub, right field seats, right next to the steamboat area. Didn't realize how great those RF seats are. Couple of game notes:
1. Alex Gonzalez has the range of a turtle at this point, and hits like my mom. Needs to be released.
2. Rolen getting hit in the head was scary from where I was sitting. My wife started swearing at Marquis (and had people looking at her like she was crazy), but he looked freaked out. Nix's HR was a bomb.

Had no idea it was Faith Day at the park and that we got to see Steven Curtis Chapman in concert after the game, which was fun.

Pretty great day all around. Except for the loss of course.

I was there too and I also bought my tickets from Stub Hub. It's the first time I've ever used them for tickets and I may never buy from ticketmaster again! :D We were in the seating area right behind the Reds dugout (first section to the right of the diamond seat area) and we had a great view of the game. We were also in the shade by about the third inning so it was VERY nice not having to worry about sunblock for most of the afternoon. :cool: I also got some really nice pictures of the game and I can tell you that from our angle, it appears that the ump totally missed that out call at 1B. It wasn't very far from us and everyone in my section starting screaming when he was ruled safe. Joey looked minorly peeved that he had just turned himself into a pretzel to catch Gonzo's throw and the guy wasn't even called out. IMO, that guy was out and the ump needs glasses. :thumbdown Anyway, Rolen getting hit by that pitch was scary (especially from how close we were to home plate since we could hear the ball hit his helmet) but I'm glad he walked off on his own and seems to be okay. You could tell Marquis was upset after it happened too so I'm sure that was an accident. It was great seeing Joey and Laynce both hit HRs in clutch situations to tie the game but it's a shame that they couldn't crank out one more run to get a win today. The concert was great and I thought it was great to hear from Micah, the guy from Channel 12, and the Reds chaplain about their faith too. It was a really nice afternoon at the ballpark and the only thing that could have made it better was the Reds pulling out a win. *sigh* :(