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redsfan4445
08-02-2009, 11:53 PM
Makes me wonder what the heck this franchise was thinking letting him go for ZERO/NOTHING? he would have helped big time in LF for us.

sad to look back.. just like they did with Cantu.. two better players that would have helped this team and we wonder why a Patterson or Taveras is considered better signings.. oh well

HokieRed
08-03-2009, 12:05 AM
Agree that Ross would look very good in a Reds uniform right now, as would Cantu. Hard to understand the previous GM's handling of these two players. But I'd point out that Ross has an OPS of .792 (Cantu actually the same number) whereas Jonny Gomes is at .922 and hitting a home run about every 12.5 times to the plate. Gomes is really a very good story that's not getting recognized because we're so bad.

chicoruiz
08-03-2009, 12:07 AM
Also, Jeff Keppinger is currently turning in his normal .275/.350 line. I know he's a poor defensive shortstop, but I'm getting nostalgic for him. Or better still:

2b-Keppinger
C- Hanigan
ss-Phillips
1b- Votto
3b- Rolen
LF- Gomes
RF- Ross
CF- Nix

That lineup would at least score some runs, I'd think...

Will M
08-03-2009, 12:08 AM
Agree that Ross would look very good in a Reds uniform right now, as would Cantu. Hard to understand the previous GM's handling of these two players. But I'd point out that Ross has an OPS of .792 (Cantu actually the same number) whereas Jonny Gomes is at .922 and hitting a home run about every 12.5 times to the plate. Gomes is really a very good story that's not getting recognized because we're so bad.

IMO Gomes should start in LF every day the rest of the way. Lets see if he can keep use his torrid OPS vs both RHP & LHP. if he can the he's our left fielder for 2010 & we can spend resources filling other holes.

HokieRed
08-03-2009, 12:09 AM
IMO Gomes should start in LF every day the rest of the way. Lets see if he can keep use his torrid OPS vs both RHP & LHP. if he can the he's our left fielder for 2010 & we can spend resources filling other holes.

Agree 100%.

Patrick Bateman
08-03-2009, 12:13 AM
The only thing I'm getting from this is that the Reds are so bad that people wish they had Cantu and Ross back. Every team misses on a few guys like this. They aren't particularly great players, but forgettable pieces. They are better than what we have, but in the grand scheme of things aren't important losses.

KronoRed
08-03-2009, 12:14 AM
Neither Cantu or Keppinger should be playing anything other then 1st base, so I don't miss either that much, Ross though..that is a sting as he has power and some D, and he does hate walks so he would fit right in :D

cincrazy
08-03-2009, 12:17 AM
The only thing I'm getting from this is that the Reds are so bad that people wish they had Cantu and Ross back. Every team misses on a few guys like this. They aren't particularly great players, but forgettable pieces. They are better than what we have, but in the grand scheme of things aren't important losses.

This actually made me laugh out loud. Because it's stunningly accurate.

Jorge Cantu and Cody Ross aren't awful players. But they're sure as hell not players that any fan base should wish and long for.

Ahhhhhhh, life as a Reds fan.

Roy Tucker
08-03-2009, 07:39 AM
Juan Castro is hitting .325 for the Dodgers. Let's get him too.

Ltlabner
08-03-2009, 08:15 AM
First off, there are far few too exclamation points in the thread title to truly celebrate 17 homers thus far in the season. It's a 4 exclamation point event at least.

Second, if these guys were with the Reds, they'd be hitting .230ish and doing nothing and there would be a thread asking why we haven't released them yet. There's just something special about the Reds organization that pulls that special brand of suck out of a player.

klw
08-03-2009, 08:53 AM
It isn't as if the Reds gave up much to get him either. Can you remember the pitcher's name that they gave up off the top of your head? How's that guy doing? Do the Dodgers care that they dumped him? They had a lot longer to evaluate him.

Jpup
08-03-2009, 09:00 AM
Jay Bruce has 18 and some folks are ready to run him out of town. By all means, let's get Cody Ross back.

Raisor
08-03-2009, 09:09 AM
Cody's line: .260 .312 .436 .748

Reds need to aim higher then this.

oneupper
08-03-2009, 09:17 AM
"...but if you TRY sometimes, you just might find...
you get what you NEED"

TRF
08-03-2009, 09:36 AM
Who exactly is Cantu better than on the Reds roster. He isn't better than a healthy EE, and he isn't better than Rolen, and he isn't better than Votto.

Can he pitch?

At the time Ross was sent to FLA, there was no spot available for him with the Reds. All WK did there was send him someplace that he had an opportunity to play.

Do the Reds suck so bad we have to lament these two nothing moves? really?

Raisor
08-03-2009, 09:39 AM
Do the Reds suck so bad we have to lament these two nothing moves? really?

actually, yes.

pahster
08-03-2009, 09:41 AM
Cody's line: .260 .312 .436 .748

Reds need to aim higher then this.

I agree, but his line is significantly better than that. He's at .260/.320/.472/.792/108 OPS+ for the year and .261/.323/.487/.810/110 for his career.

westofyou
08-03-2009, 09:42 AM
If Cody Ross is the answer then i don't want to hear the question

Raisor
08-03-2009, 09:42 AM
I agree, but his line is significantly better than that. He's at .260/.320/.472/.792/108 OPS+ for the year and .261/.323/.487/.810/110 for his career.

I guess ESPN hasn't updated it's team stats yet from yesterday. That's where I got his numbers.

HokieRed
08-03-2009, 09:43 AM
On Cody Ross, he's a better player than Austin Kearns and think of the lamenting there has been on RZ over the trade of AK.-

Jpup
08-03-2009, 10:03 AM
On Cody Ross, he's a better player than Austin Kearns and think of the lamenting there has been on RZ over the trade of AK.-

No one has lamented Kearns being traded. People were upset that the Reds sold him below what the market for him was. The same can be said for the most recent trade. The same could be said for the Hamilton trade.

HokieRed
08-03-2009, 10:09 AM
jpup, I'd certainly be with you on the Hamilton trade. And I didn't lament the Kearns trade at all; in fact, I thought that was one of WK's better moves.

kpresidente
08-03-2009, 10:12 AM
Neither Cantu or Keppinger should be playing anything other then 1st base, so I don't miss either that much, Ross though..that is a sting as he has power and some D, and he does hate walks so he would fit right in

Yeah because trading offense for defense has translated into so many wins for us this year. We're like the '08 Rays part II.

jojo
08-03-2009, 10:13 AM
Isn't Cody Ross just the right-handed half of Platoono Nixross?

HokieRed
08-03-2009, 10:13 AM
Just saw a post over on another thread saying how much worse the Lopez-Kearns trade was than the Rolen one, so it seems like there's still some lamenting over AK after all (as I don't think that was completely about Felipe.) As for me, I like both deals.

BRM
08-03-2009, 10:15 AM
Just saw a post over on another thread saying how much worse the Lopez-Kearns trade was than the Rolen one, so it seems like there's still some lamenting over AK after all (as I don't think that was completely about Felipe.) As for me, I like both deals.

I don't think many people at all lamented losing either Kearns or Lopez. As always, it was about the return.

HokieRed
08-03-2009, 10:58 AM
I don't think many people at all lamented losing either Kearns or Lopez. As always, it was about the return.


Sometimes the return is in what you unload.

BRM
08-03-2009, 11:03 AM
Sometimes the return is in what you unload.

I don't get jazzed up about trading nothing for nothing.

HokieRed
08-03-2009, 11:05 AM
I don't get jazzed up about trading nothing for nothing.

Neither do I. I never cared a bit about The Trade. I do think trading EE for Scott Rolen is a way of saying--to fans, to the rest of the team, to the rest of the league--that you're going to stop being a joke and start playing people who can actually play the positions you put them at. I think it's culture change.

BRM
08-03-2009, 11:10 AM
Neither do I. I never cared a bit about The Trade. I do think trading EE for Scott Rolen is a way of saying--to fans, to the rest of the team, to the rest of the league--that you're going to stop being a joke and start playing people who can actually play the positions you put them at. I think it's culture change.

FWIW, I don't have a problem with the Rolen trade either. I like Rolen quite a bit actually. I'm not terribly pleased with the cost but I absolutely like the idea of acquiring better players for the major league roster.

nate
08-03-2009, 11:15 AM
Neither do I. I never cared a bit about The Trade. I do think trading EE for Scott Rolen is a way of saying--to fans, to the rest of the team, to the rest of the league--that you're going to stop being a joke and start playing people who can actually play the positions you put them at. I think it's culture change.

The "being a joke" stops now!

:cool:

HokieRed
08-03-2009, 12:24 PM
The "being a joke" stops now!

:cool:

Actually I think that's pretty much what the Rolen move is about. You can reasonably ask, it seems to me, whether an org. that thinks EE can play 3b even knows how to take winning seriously.

Tom Servo
08-03-2009, 12:51 PM
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63815

I told ya so.

princeton
08-03-2009, 01:06 PM
"being a joke" stops now!

:cool:

billboard :thumbup:

nate
08-03-2009, 01:15 PM
Actually I think that's pretty much what the Rolen move is about. You can reasonably ask, it seems to me, whether an org. that thinks EE can play 3b even knows how to take winning seriously.

So you think the Jays don't take winning seriously now?

I don't think losing can be attribute to any one player.

It takes a village, as they say.

jojo
08-03-2009, 01:38 PM
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63815

I told ya so.

In 2008, the first year after the Reds traded Cantu, he basically was EE with 100 more PAs.

This season, of course, EE wasn't really healthy.

HokieRed
08-03-2009, 01:56 PM
So you think the Jays don't take winning seriously now?

I don't think losing can be attribute to any one player.

It takes a village, as they say.

It takes a culture. I don't want to blame EE. I've always sort of liked EE and, in fact, I think the Reds org. has pretty much treated him badly by continuing to try to play him at a position he can't play. The decision about his playing 3b should have been made years ago. I don't know what Toronto is thinking. I suspect they're in denial of a sort, starting to believe that players are better than they are, and/or that somehow when players like EE reach their hitherto hardly imaginable potential (ditto Stewart) they'll surpass the Yankees and Boston. If you were behind those two clubs and the Rays, what else could you believe? I do know that the Reds with EE at 3rd were a joke. Imagine trying to persuade a groundball throwing free-agent starter to come to Cinti. with EE at third. Do you think you might have gotten a laugh?

I eagerly await for your witty, withering, all-knowing one-line response.

nate
08-03-2009, 02:16 PM
It takes a culture. I don't want to blame EE. I've always sort of liked EE and, in fact, I think the Reds org. has pretty much treated him badly by continuing to try to play him at a position he can't play. The decision about his playing 3b should have been made years ago. I don't know what Toronto is thinking. I suspect they're in denial of a sort,

I don't think that. I think they can use him. Whether that's at 3B, in the OF, as a DH or whatever, he fit into their plan.


starting to believe that players are better than they are, and/or that somehow when players like EE reach their hitherto hardly imaginable potential (ditto Stewart) they'll surpass the Yankees and Boston. I think this is faulty thinking. Why does he have to hit an unimaginable potential? I thought he was who he was and was fine with that because the Reds had bigger fish to fry.


If you were behind those two clubs and the Rays, what else could you believe? That the Jays are making a rebuilding move.


I do know that the Reds with EE at 3rd were a joke. The Reds with Scott Rolen at 3rd are still a joke. The Reds with Willy Taveras and Alex Gonzales batting 1st and 2nd are a joke. The Reds with Joey Votto on the team are a joke. The 21st century Reds have been a joke.


Imagine trying to persuade a groundball throwing free-agent starter to come to Cinti. with EE at third. Do you think you might have gotten a laugh?
I think the amount that factors into the decision is far overshadowed by the fact that the TEAM (rather than a single player) is crappy.


I eagerly await for your witty, withering, all-knowing one-line response.Rude.

KronoRed
08-03-2009, 04:05 PM
Yeah because trading offense for defense has translated into so many wins for us this year. We're like the '08 Rays part II.

You can't have 4 1st basemen playing the IF and be anything other then a more hilarious joke then what we already have