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Tom Servo
08-11-2009, 08:10 PM
Dickerson CF
Gonzalez SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2
Nix RF
Gomes LF
Rosales 3B
Hanigan C
Lehr P


No Wlad. :(

11larkin11
08-11-2009, 08:49 PM
How do you sit a guy with a hit in every start he's had and may be a key in next years team?

Far East
08-11-2009, 09:00 PM
How do you sit a guy with a hit in every start he's had and may be a key in next years team?
Show-casing Nix and Gomes?

GAC
08-11-2009, 09:02 PM
Cincinnati
AB R H RBI HR BB K SB LOB Season Avg
C. Dickerson cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .259
A. Gonzalez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .204
J. Votto 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .316
B. Phillips 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267
L. Nix rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .235
J. Gomes lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .261
A. Rosales 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .219
R. Hanigan c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .289
J. Lehr p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
St. Louis
AB R H RBI HR BB K SB LOB Season Avg
S. Schumaker 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .295
C. Rasmus cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .246
A. Pujols 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .327
M. Holliday lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .459
R. Ludwick rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267
M. DeRosa 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .222
Y. Molina c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .285
J. Lugo ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .345
M. Boggs p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .111

Red in Chicago
08-11-2009, 09:11 PM
why are we being subjected to the pujols / molina highlights - lovefest

nate
08-11-2009, 09:14 PM
Chat is open!

alloverjr
08-11-2009, 09:17 PM
Show-casing Nix and Gomes?

Is it possible to showcase crappyness?

CrackerJack
08-11-2009, 09:19 PM
A big Doh! for Dickerson...geesh

RedFanAlways1966
08-11-2009, 09:20 PM
Dickerson single and then steals 2nd. Gonzalez then singles and Dickerson gets to third. Then Votto grounds to 3rd and Dickerson gets caught hanging off and is tagged by DeRosa trying to get back to 3rd.

RedFanAlways1966
08-11-2009, 09:21 PM
Phillips walks. Bases jammed with 1 out for Nix..

RedFanAlways1966
08-11-2009, 09:23 PM
Nix rips a double to LF for 2 runs. 2nd & 3rd, 1out.

RedFanAlways1966
08-11-2009, 09:26 PM
Gomes infield single behind 2nd base for another run. 1st & 3rd, 1 out.

RedFanAlways1966
08-11-2009, 09:27 PM
Rosales Ks and looks very bad in doing it.

RedFanAlways1966
08-11-2009, 09:30 PM
Hanigan grounds weakly to Pujols. A big 3 spot for the good guys.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 09:34 PM
Rosales Ks and looks very bad in doing it.

But hey lets try him at shortstop when Rolen gets back :thumbdown

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 09:39 PM
Pujols looked bad on that swing, you don't see him fooled often.

MississippiRed
08-11-2009, 09:42 PM
According the pitch fx, Lehr was getting squeezed in that at-bat to Holliday.

HokieRed
08-11-2009, 09:43 PM
Pujols looked bad on that swing, you don't see him fooled often.

Pujols looked bad. Probably should bench him.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 09:43 PM
1st and 3rd as Holliday reaches with a single. Ludwick steps in.

RedFanAlways1966
08-11-2009, 09:44 PM
Lehr ERA watch... 1.80 ERA. :p:

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 09:44 PM
According the pitch fx, Lehr was getting squeezed in that at-bat to Holliday.

Umpire is not giving the pitchers the outside corner tonight.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 09:45 PM
Lehr threw alot of pitches that inning.

HokieRed
08-11-2009, 09:48 PM
Need to keep Gonzalez's bat in there at SS.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 09:48 PM
Dickerson can fly on the bases as he is in with a one out triple. Stay close to the bag Chris.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 09:50 PM
Gonzo flies out to shallow right. Runner does not advance.

MississippiRed
08-11-2009, 09:50 PM
Votto singles in Dickerson!

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 09:51 PM
Votto make it 4-0 on a single, nice swing by Vottomatic.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 09:52 PM
Phillips skies one to right, three outs. Reds 4-0.

HeatherC1212
08-11-2009, 09:55 PM
Nice to see Joey get a hit and an RBI there! He's been struggling a lot and hopefully this gets him going again. :)

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 09:55 PM
In other action looks like the Sox and Tigers are doing the Texas Two Step as Youkillis was ejected for charging the mound. Is that what it takes to fire your team up Kevin.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 09:56 PM
Molina grounds into his 22nd Phillips of the year. Molina doesn't make it down the line very fast as Gonzo dbl clutched and still the Reds turned it.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 09:59 PM
Lugo beats out an infield hit, Rosales almost had him.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:01 PM
Boggs tells Lehr "It's your world boss" and strikes out. 4-0 Reds.

11larkin11
08-11-2009, 10:03 PM
Yadi Molina vs. Ramon Hernandez. Who wins in a foot race?

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:05 PM
Nix K's

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:06 PM
Yadi Molina vs. Ramon Hernandez. Who wins in a foot race?

Molina's faster he just doesn't hustle all the time.

11larkin11
08-11-2009, 10:06 PM
We need Travis Wood's bat in the lineup.

And apparently, base-stealing abilities?

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:07 PM
Gomes and Rosales retired as well.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:14 PM
Dusty employing the shifts vs, Holliday and Pujols tonight. Men now at 1st and 2nd for Ludwick.

CrackerJack
08-11-2009, 10:14 PM
2 minutes of praise for Pujols actually scoring from 2nd on a base hit by George and Chris.

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-11-2009, 10:15 PM
I'm sure glad the Reds didn't get Matt Holliday. Those inflated Coors Field numbers will never hold. :rolleyes:

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:15 PM
Ludwick singles home Pujols 4-1 Reds.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:18 PM
Lehr gets out of further damage. 4-1 Reds

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:22 PM
hanigan slumping big time K's.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:23 PM
Dickerson grounds out as the Reds go down 1,2,3

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:27 PM
Molina with a soft single to left.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:29 PM
Lugo with a base knock to right 1st and 2nd no outs. Pitcher up to bunt em over.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:30 PM
Boggs does his job and gets em over. Hanigan may have got Molina at third though.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 10:31 PM
Schumaker with a pop up to Gomes and Molina tags to try to score. DP the hard way. Gomes guns him down at the plate to end the inning.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:31 PM
Gomes nails Molina at the plate.

CTA513
08-11-2009, 10:32 PM
I'm sure glad the Reds didn't get Matt Holliday. Those inflated Coors Field numbers will never hold. :rolleyes:

Call up the Reds and complain to them about it then.

redsmetz
08-11-2009, 10:32 PM
Gonzalez doubles to lead off.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:34 PM
Gonzo with a nice double he continues to swing a better bat lately.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:42 PM
Phillips beats out the Phillips and men are on 1st and 3rd.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:43 PM
So glad Nix is in the lineup over Wlad. Come on Dusty!

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-11-2009, 10:43 PM
Call up the Reds and complain to them about it then.

Why, exactly?

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:46 PM
Gomes K's as well. Runner stranded at third.

Bob Borkowski
08-11-2009, 10:46 PM
Headed to the bottom of the 5th.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:49 PM
If Lehr makes it to the 7th I would be very happy with this start.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:50 PM
Rasmus flies out 1 down.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:52 PM
Lehr does the job on Pujols again, 2 down.

RedsManRick
08-11-2009, 10:55 PM
Rosales really depends on his arm over there -- I don't think I've seen him take a step in on a bouncer yet.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:55 PM
Holliday was out, close play though and the ump rules safe.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 10:58 PM
I know RZers think that Lehr doesn't have the stuff to succeed on the big stage, but this year all he's done is perform well. On both AAA squads and now with Cincy, color me impressed with him. Some guys just know how to pitch, he seems to be one of them.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 10:58 PM
Lehr continues to lull the Cards to sleep as ludwick pops out. 4-1 reds.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:00 PM
I know RZers think that Lehr doesn't have the stuff to succeed on the big stage, but this year all he's done is perform well. On both AAA squads and now with Cincy, color me impressed with him. Some guys just know how to pitch, he seems to be one of them.

He definitely knows where to miss with his pitches which is a big plus with this offense.

Tom Servo
08-11-2009, 11:00 PM
Hanigan is brutal these days.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:01 PM
Lehr with a single over the head of DeRosa. First big league hit. Congrats Justin!

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:02 PM
Rosales runs to first as he walks. Hanigan continues to stink it up grounds into a DP.

kaldaniels
08-11-2009, 11:02 PM
I know RZers think that Lehr doesn't have the stuff to succeed on the big stage, but this year all he's done is perform well. On both AAA squads and now with Cincy, color me impressed with him. Some guys just know how to pitch, he seems to be one of them.

I'm not saying sign the guy up for our rotation next year...but out of all the minor league dreck that has surfaced in Cincy over the past 10 years...has anyone looked this impressive?

HokieRed
08-11-2009, 11:02 PM
Hanigan is brutal these days.

OPS now .709. Will need a regular catcher next year.

Tom Servo
08-11-2009, 11:05 PM
Terrible base-running.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:05 PM
Card announcers complaining about the umpires tonight, he's been consistent on his ball and strike calls.

Tom Servo
08-11-2009, 11:05 PM
Dusty facepalm.

Tom Servo
08-11-2009, 11:06 PM
Card announcers complaining about the umpires tonight, he's been consistent on his ball and strike calls.
I can't stand these Cardinals announcers, they're so obnoxious.

Team Clark
08-11-2009, 11:06 PM
I blame Mark Berry for that snafu

HokieRed
08-11-2009, 11:07 PM
Terrible base-running.


What happened?

CTA513
08-11-2009, 11:08 PM
Why, exactly?

They are the ones who didn't trade for him.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:08 PM
Dickerson's having a nice game at the plate, but those 2 baserunning blunders stand out like a sore thumb.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:08 PM
Dickerson again proving he's not the smartest baseball player on the team.

Bob Borkowski
08-11-2009, 11:08 PM
And now the bottom of the 6th...

Team Clark
08-11-2009, 11:08 PM
The runner on 2nd is Berry's responsibility

HeatherC1212
08-11-2009, 11:09 PM
Totally off topic but I just switched over to Baseball Tonight and there was a big brawl in Boston tonight between Youkalis and Detroit pitcher Porcello! Youkalis threw his helmet at the guy and all the benches cleared and this was only in the SECOND INNING. Apparently this series between Detroit and Boston isn't very pretty with batters getting hit two nights in a row. Francona got thrown out of the game too at some point for arguing about something. What a crazy game! :eek:

Sorry to tangent but I'm a little surprised that so much action happened in less than three innings of that game. OK, back to the Reds vs. Redbirds. Go Reds! :D

BTW-Edwin hit a HR off Rivera in the NYY-TOR game. Is it a full moon tonight?! :eek:

Tom Servo
08-11-2009, 11:12 PM
What the hell was Yadier thinking? Easily thrown out trying to make a double out of a single.

Team Clark
08-11-2009, 11:12 PM
Gomes!!!!!!! 2 assists and was 6 inches short of another earlier

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:13 PM
Lehr very pitch effecient even with the tight zone.

Tom Servo
08-11-2009, 11:13 PM
Lehr mowing them down.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:13 PM
There's another guy who's not looking like he's been described to me here. Gomes has been labeled as a horrible defender. I have yet to see it in a Reds uni. He doesn't have good range, but he sure "looks" capable out there. 2 assists tonight.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:13 PM
Bad base running tonight all around.

RedsManRick
08-11-2009, 11:14 PM
Gomes may not have the strongest arm but it sure is accurate.

Team Clark
08-11-2009, 11:14 PM
There's another guy who's not looking like he's been described to me here. Gomes has been labeled as a horrible defender. I have yet to see it in a Reds uni. He doesn't have good range, but he sure "looks" capable out there. 2 assists tonight.

Agreed. He's no speedster but he's no hack, IMO.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:15 PM
Lehr for pitching coach.

PuffyPig
08-11-2009, 11:15 PM
Lehr mowing them down.


He's given up 9 hits, 1 walk and a ton of hard hit balls in 6 innings.

As bad as Boggs has pitched, Lehr has likely pitched worse.

I'd get Lehr out before his luck runs out.

PuffyPig
08-11-2009, 11:16 PM
Lehr for pitching coach.

I'm assuming you are a fan of "pitch to contact"......

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:17 PM
He's given up 9 hits, 1 walk and a ton of hard hit balls in 6 innings.

As bad as Boggs has pitched, Lehr has likely pitched worse.

I'd get Lehr out before his luck runs out.

Your definition of a hard hit ball must be different than mine. I have watched the entire game and most of those nine hits have been pretty soft Puff.

Team Clark
08-11-2009, 11:17 PM
He's given up 9 hits, 1 walk and a ton of hard hit balls in 6 innings.

As bad as Boggs has pitched, Lehr has likely pitched worse.

I'd get Lehr out before his luck runs out.

True, BUT he's getting out of his own jams by not freaking out. For all those who loved Weathers, they should be enamored with Lehr.

Team Clark
08-11-2009, 11:18 PM
I'm assuming you are a fan of "pitch to contact"......

Dan O'Brien must be recording this game. :D

Tom Servo
08-11-2009, 11:19 PM
He's given up 9 hits, 1 walk and a ton of hard hit balls in 6 innings.

As bad as Boggs has pitched, Lehr has likely pitched worse.

I'd get Lehr out before his luck runs out.
I honestly just got home 15 minutes ago, saw he only gave up one run and saw the last two innings so I just assumed he was sharp again.:lol:

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:20 PM
He's given up 9 hits, 1 walk and a ton of hard hit balls in 6 innings.

As bad as Boggs has pitched, Lehr has likely pitched worse.

I'd get Lehr out before his luck runs out.

I agree that they've hit the ball hard off Lehr, but several hits shouldn't have been hits. The "D" hasn't really helped him tonight.

Team Clark
08-11-2009, 11:20 PM
Would like to see Nix hit a 3 iron over the RF wall here.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:21 PM
40,145 for the Cards on a Tuesday night. The Reds don't draw that on a Friday and Saturday combined.

Team Clark
08-11-2009, 11:21 PM
...or a walk.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:22 PM
Your definition of a hard hit ball must be different than mine. I have watched the entire game and most of those nine hits have been pretty soft Puff.

The HITS, yes. But they've still hit the ball hard against him. Fouls & outs...but hard hit nonetheless.

0 errors so far, but some of those "hits" should've been outs regardless.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:22 PM
I honestly just got home 15 minutes ago, saw he only gave up one run and saw the last two innings so I just assumed he was sharp again.:lol:

He's done the job tonight. No doubles or HR's allowed. I'll take it.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:24 PM
ROFLMAO!!! That picture of Jason Motte on Gameday is simply priceless. :O)

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Q6ycZ7sR7fOIKM:http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/baseball/mlb/players/8369.jpg

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:27 PM
Brendan Ryan paying homage to Javy with that stache.

Tony Cloninger
08-11-2009, 11:28 PM
How is it Berry's fault that Dickerson was not paying attention to what was clearly in front of him?

It was not like the ball was hit into the gap......it was a play in front of him that all he had to do was look at...and see that Lehr was stopping at 3rd.

Maybe the reason Berry did not give him the stop sign was beacuse he thought CD was smart enough to look up?

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:33 PM
Well, regardless of the hits allowed...that was another nice outting by Lehr. 1 run. Say what you want, but that's the bottom line. 1 run.

Who would've thought that Lehr's 1.93 era would actually go DOWN against the Cards lineup. Nice. 1.80 now (well, depending on whether Danny can shut them down)

Tom Servo
08-11-2009, 11:34 PM
6-4-3 yesiree

Sea Ray
08-11-2009, 11:36 PM
You know your team has sorry defense if you hold your breathe everytime they have a chance to turn two...

11larkin11
08-11-2009, 11:37 PM
That deep CF cam does not help DRH at all. Makes him look even smaller

RedsManRick
08-11-2009, 11:37 PM
I agree that they've hit the ball hard off Lehr, but several hits shouldn't have been hits. The "D" hasn't really helped him tonight.

Gomes' two assists suggest otherwise. Lehr will have success in the majors the same way other guys who can't miss bats do -- don't walk guys and keep the ball in the yard. You can spread 10 hits and only give up 1 run on occasion if you're giving up walks in bombs in the meantime. It's when guys like that start trying to paint corners, fall behind in the count, and then groove one on 3-1 that it gets ugly.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:38 PM
Hererra gets Schumaker to ground into a DP (Marty said only his 4th of the season)
Then K's Rasmus.

I never get tired of watching Hererra pitch. He's just fun to watch. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:39 PM
Gomes' two assists suggest otherwise. Lehr will have success in the majors the same way other guys who can't miss bats do -- don't walk guys and keep the ball in the yard. You can spread 10 hits and only give up 1 run on occasion if you're giving up walks in bombs in the meantime. It's when guys like that start trying to paint corners, fall behind in the count, and then groove one on 3-1 that it gets ugly.

Oh, I'm not discounting those 2 assists. I was only saying that several of the Cards' hits should've been outs.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:40 PM
Adam "feast or famine" Rosales draws the free pass. 2 k's and 2 bb's tonight.

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:41 PM
Lehr earned himself another tryout in 5 days with the club. Plus he gets kudos from me for shutting Albert down tonight.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:42 PM
I can't remember the last time I saw this kind of production out of our 1-2 hitters.

Dickerson 2 for 3 with a triple, walk, sb and a run scored
Gonzo 3 for 4 with a double and a run scored

It's just weird seeing the 1-2 hitters on base at all lately.

Tony Cloninger
08-11-2009, 11:43 PM
I guess you could say that Hanigan's returning to earth faster than that Comet in Armageddon.

WT to PH......you got no one else?

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:43 PM
Where is Earl Weaver when I need him.

Tom Servo
08-11-2009, 11:44 PM
Another good at-bat for Dickerson.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:44 PM
Dickerson draws his second free pass of the night. 1st & 2nd with 2 down.

Edd Roush
08-11-2009, 11:44 PM
I guess you could say that Hanigan's returning to earth faster than that Comet in Armageddon.

WT to PH......you got no one else?

I think he is more of a defensive replacement than a pinch hitter. He came in to play center in the bottom of the seventh.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:46 PM
Who woke up Gonzo? Good grief. 4 for 5 after his rbi single.

5-1 good guys.

1st & 3rd with 2 down for Votto....and with that, Motte exits for Trever Miller

BCubb2003
08-11-2009, 11:48 PM
Dickerson draws his second free pass of the night. 1st & 2nd with 2 down.

Cards probably figure he's an easier out on the basepaths.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:49 PM
Cards probably figure he's an easier out on the basepaths.

LOL. Nicely played. :D

KoryMac5
08-11-2009, 11:49 PM
Better sign Gonzo to an extension quick. I kid, I kid :)

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:50 PM
Joey lined out to Rasmus to end the inning. 5-1 Redlegs heading to the bottom of the 8th.

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:52 PM
Masset in for DRH

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:53 PM
Hey, we kept him quiet for MOST of the night. Dinger by this years MVP. 5-2 Reds.

RedsManRick
08-11-2009, 11:55 PM
Heh. Well, we got that out of the way.

HeatherC1212
08-11-2009, 11:55 PM
Hey, we kept him quiet for MOST of the night. Dinger by this years MVP. 5-2 Reds.

No one on base when he hit it though and then Masset sat down Holliday with a K so I'm not too worried yet. It's really hard to keep Albert down for a whole game, LOL :laugh:

_Sir_Charles_
08-11-2009, 11:55 PM
Apparently, tonight is the night for impotent offenses to break out.

Reds winning 5-2 (okay, it's not "breaking out" but it's also not 1 or 2 runs either)
Pads winning 13-4 (8th) over Brewers
Royals winning 12-2 (8th) over Twinkies

GADawg
08-12-2009, 12:02 AM
did the Cardinal announcers really just blame the Shaq delay for the Cards sluggish start?

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:02 AM
Dickerson drops the ball and DeRosa scores. *sigh*

LOL. RBI "double". Laughable. That's an error.

Doc. Scott
08-12-2009, 12:03 AM
Tying run to the plate. Might be Cordero time.

KoryMac5
08-12-2009, 12:03 AM
Massett paying homage to Weather's memory tonight in the 8th.

Tony Cloninger
08-12-2009, 12:04 AM
If Cordero is your closer......then you bring him in now when you ned to close this rally out.

Kc61
08-12-2009, 12:04 AM
Dickerson misplay and it's 5 to 3. Ball has to be caught.

Massett comes out.

And by the way, those of you who wanted Weathers gone, please take note. The eighth inning may just be a little rockier from time to time.

RedsManRick
08-12-2009, 12:05 AM
I'm not sure Dickerson needed to dive there. I think he surprised himself that he didn't need full extension.

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:05 AM
Rhodes in to face PH'er Ankiel.

Kc61
08-12-2009, 12:05 AM
Lefty Ankiel up, Rhodes is the right move.

Massett was hurt by the misplay, still hardly a shut down inning.

Doc. Scott
08-12-2009, 12:06 AM
Two sliders and the out's recorded. I like this Rhodes kid.

CTA513
08-12-2009, 12:07 AM
Dickerson misplay and it's 5 to 3. Ball has to be caught.

Massett comes out.

And by the way, those of you who wanted Weathers gone, please take note. The eighth inning may just be a little rockier from time to time.

Rhodes is still on the team to help out in the 8th inning.

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:07 AM
I'm not sure Dickerson needed to dive there. I think he surprised himself that he didn't need full extension.

He simply does NOT look like the same defender when he's not in center. I'm positive he can handle left & right, but he does NOT look comfortable there yet. I don't think he's had anywhere near enough playing time in those 2 slots down in the minors. Of course I could be wrong, but it sure looks that way.

Doc. Scott
08-12-2009, 12:08 AM
The Cardinals put in their mopup/spot starter guy, Brad Thompson.

Tom Servo
08-12-2009, 12:09 AM
All hail King Arthur

KoryMac5
08-12-2009, 12:09 AM
Really suprised Larussa didn't go with a righty to face Rhodes.

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:10 AM
Okay, the Cards have got some goofy looking pictures for their pitchers on Gameday. First Motte, and now Thompson. :O) I found the pic from Google and it said it was from a site "men who look like old lesbians". That's just mean. Funny...but mean.

http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:xNcjkmGnJU-irM:http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pG1RoKRCf78/SAf2h5_Y41I/AAAAAAAAA_g/yuQyeeeTgIQ/s320/7536%2Bbrad%2B(2).jpg

PuffyPig
08-12-2009, 12:12 AM
Your definition of a hard hit ball must be different than mine. I have watched the entire game and most of those nine hits have been pretty soft Puff.

I'm talking about the balls that haven't been hits.

Has he had one swing and miss yet?

When you strike out nobody, you will give up lots of hits.

CTA513
08-12-2009, 12:13 AM
He simply does NOT look like the same defender when he's not in center. I'm positive he can handle left & right, but he does NOT look comfortable there yet. I don't think he's had anywhere near enough playing time in those 2 slots down in the minors. Of course I could be wrong, but it sure looks that way.

:thumbup:

Its going to take him some time to learn left and right field when he is used to playing center.

RedsManRick
08-12-2009, 12:13 AM
He simply does NOT look like the same defender when he's not in center. I'm positive he can handle left & right, but he does NOT look comfortable there yet. I don't think he's had anywhere near enough playing time in those 2 slots down in the minors. Of course I could be wrong, but it sure looks that way.

That's my take as well. He just takes poor routes to the ball when he plays the corners. I wonder how he grades out on the defensive metrics.

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:17 AM
That's my take as well. He just takes poor routes to the ball when he plays the corners. I wonder how he grades out on the defensive metrics.

I think it's something as simple as he's not reading the ball off the bat at the different angle as quickly as he does in center...thus the hurried routes. Of course I'm far from an expert on it. I only played short.

KoryMac5
08-12-2009, 12:19 AM
I'm talking about the balls that haven't been hits.

Has he had one swing and miss yet?

When you strike out nobody, you will give up lots of hits.

Bottom line though is 1 run is 1 run. Which earns him another tryout with the club in 5 days. He wasn't great tonight but he was effective and more than likely will get his second win with the club. Seems like people are searching for reasons not to like the fact that he has done the job in these two starts. Plus he can tell his kids that he took care of Pujols.

KoryMac5
08-12-2009, 12:20 AM
Coco on after some inactivity, don't like this.

Tom Servo
08-12-2009, 12:21 AM
I have a bad feeling about this one.

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:22 AM
*looks around* Are we in the twilight zone or something?!? Hanigan allowed a SB?!?

Seriously, that was a tough pitch to try to throw him out on.

KoryMac5
08-12-2009, 12:22 AM
Marlins win again, Phillies have to be hearing foot steps.

Doc. Scott
08-12-2009, 12:22 AM
One out, man on second. Rasmus and then You Know Who to follow.

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:23 AM
*whew* That was close to a disasterous turn there. Votto comes down on the bag after the high throw from Rosie. 1 down and Ryan holds at 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:24 AM
One out, man on second. Rasmus and then You Know Who to follow.

Lord Voldemort? He who must not be named?

Tom Servo
08-12-2009, 12:25 AM
Oh lord...

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:26 AM
Wow. Just....wow. Phillips gets to the grounder, but Votto wasn't at first. E on Phillips and the run scores. Probably should've been an E on Votto. *sigh*

KoryMac5
08-12-2009, 12:26 AM
Would you walk Albert if first base is open? Pujols 3-8 off Coco.

Doc. Scott
08-12-2009, 12:26 AM
YKW with the chance to win it.

Red in Chicago
08-12-2009, 12:26 AM
Wow. Just....wow. Phillips gets to the grounder, but Votto wasn't at first. E on Phillips and the run scores. Probably should've been an E on Votto. *sigh*

that's coco's fault for not getting to the bag on time, imo...

Team Clark
08-12-2009, 12:27 AM
How is it Berry's fault that Dickerson was not paying attention to what was clearly in front of him?

It was not like the ball was hit into the gap......it was a play in front of him that all he had to do was look at...and see that Lehr was stopping at 3rd.

Maybe the reason Berry did not give him the stop sign was beacuse he thought CD was smart enough to look up?

Your job as the trail runner is NOT to watch the runner ahead of you but to look at the base coach. Berry was 25 feet down the line, so far that you can barely see his uniform on the screen. When you do see him he's waving his arms around and confusing anyone and everyone. Berry did a bad job there. Just my opinion.

Tom Servo
08-12-2009, 12:27 AM
Gonzo with a tag TO YA FACE.

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-12-2009, 12:28 AM
I can't stand these Cardinals announcers, they're so obnoxious.

George Grande and Chris Welsh?

Doc. Scott
08-12-2009, 12:28 AM
OUT IS MADE! Force at second after a comebacker. Now Cordero just has to get Holliday.

Red in Chicago
08-12-2009, 12:28 AM
coco desperately trying to blow this game...agon with a nice tag on the runner.

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:28 AM
This is such an odd game. Grounder back to Cordero, high throw to Gonzo. Gonzo tags the runner between his legs for the 2nd out. Both Gonzo & Phillips went to the bag to cover 2nd. They are really screwing up the communication out there tonight.

Doc. Scott
08-12-2009, 12:29 AM
Holliday fouls off the first pitch, a slider on the corner. Another slider in the same spot is fouled off as well. One strike to go!

Team Clark
08-12-2009, 12:29 AM
Are we watching little league? I mean REALLY!!!!!!!!!!

KoryMac5
08-12-2009, 12:29 AM
Phillips should have eaten that ball though with no one on the bag at first yet.

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:29 AM
Wild pitch to move the runner to 2nd

Doc. Scott
08-12-2009, 12:29 AM
Cordero wastes one- all the way to the backstop. Rasmus moved to second on the wild pitch.

Tom Servo
08-12-2009, 12:29 AM
Sweet, ugly victory.

CTA513
08-12-2009, 12:29 AM
Gonzalez really saved Cordero on that throw to 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:30 AM
Strike 3. Well, if nothing else...Cordero made it exciting. LOL. And this one belongs to the Reds.

HokieRed
08-12-2009, 12:30 AM
Cordero K's Holliday looking. Reds Win.

Doc. Scott
08-12-2009, 12:30 AM
Fastball called strike three REDS WIN

Tom Servo
08-12-2009, 12:30 AM
George Grande and Chris Welsh?
The Card announcers make me appreciate GG and Welsh.

Chip R
08-12-2009, 12:31 AM
Are we watching little league? I mean REALLY!!!!!!!!!!

Speed and defense?

Team Clark
08-12-2009, 12:31 AM
Wow. Just....wow. Phillips gets to the grounder, but Votto wasn't at first. E on Phillips and the run scores. Probably should've been an E on Votto. *sigh*

2nd error this past week or so that I have seen charged to Phillips that really wasn't his fault. Oh well.

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:33 AM
Speed and defense?

This whole game was like the anti-Reds. Baserunning errors, porous defense, the bullpen not up to snuff, a 5th starter doing well, timely hitting, the 1-2 hitters actually producing at the plate. Seriously, what the hell is in the water tonight?

PuffyPig
08-12-2009, 12:34 AM
Phillips should have eaten that ball though with no one on the bag at first yet.


I disagree, go for an out. It cost nothing to try.

HeatherC1212
08-12-2009, 12:36 AM
Well that 9th inning took a few years off my life. :eek: Holy cow, I know a win is a win but can anything be easy with these guys?!!? LOL :laugh:

KoryMac5
08-12-2009, 12:45 AM
I disagree, go for an out. It cost nothing to try.

Cost the Reds a run in a game that they won by 1. Neither player was ready to take that throw by Phillips. So he air mails it to space. Lots of blame to go around on that play.

Ron Madden
08-12-2009, 03:47 AM
OPS now .709. Will need a regular catcher next year.

I like Hanigan but I'm afraid he turns into Paul Bako after 300 ABs.

Ron Madden
08-12-2009, 04:04 AM
I agree that they've hit the ball hard off Lehr, but several hits shouldn't have been hits. The "D" hasn't really helped him tonight.

I wish noting but the best for Justin Lehr but hard hit balls have a funny way of turning into base hits, extra base hits and runs scored, no matter how good your defense is.

I'll be rooting for Lehr but sooner or later your luck runs out.

traderumor
08-12-2009, 10:17 AM
That was a weird game. Even as the Cards were collecting the hits, there was never the feeling that they were going to bust it open. In fairness, for every at-em ball, there were about 3 dribblers for hits as well off Lehr. That 9th inning was nuts, but you could tell Holliday wasn't seeing the ball off Coco. For some reason, he looked lost in that AB.

HokieRed
08-12-2009, 11:31 AM
We had 7 W's, they had 2. Lehr, despite the hits, walked only 1 in 6. We turned two infield DP's. For me, in some ways the story of the game was our missed opportunties. We could have closed that game out several times long before the end.

_Sir_Charles_
08-12-2009, 12:21 PM
I like Hanigan but I'm afraid he turns into Paul Bako after 300 ABs.

As long as he still maintains a decent number of walks, limits his strikeouts...I'm fine with him. His defense makes him a more than capable starter IMO.

HokieRed
08-12-2009, 01:17 PM
As long as he still maintains a decent number of walks, limits his strikeouts...I'm fine with him. His defense makes him a more than capable starter IMO.

But this will be his challenge. Once pitchers realize he can't get more than a single, no one will walk him. IMO, he'll never have the SLG to be an everyday guy. He's going to have to be very lucky to have a .675 OPS.