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Brutus
08-12-2009, 09:18 PM
OK listen, I might be the only one obsessed enough to do this. But it's worth asking.

I don't want to step on the toes of the Redszone Dynasty League. So please don't think I'm poaching anyone. However, I'm interested in putting together a very, very highly realistic GM league. Let me warn you, however, this would not be for the faint of heart. It would be a much more time-consuming league than your average roto league. So it might require more time for many of you than you have to give, which I would understand.

However, for those that want to hear me out and then contact me if you're interested, here's the concept:

* 24-teams (it would start out as a 12-team NL-only and 12-team AL-only)
* 3 divisions in each league
* 23-week season, head-to-head with 7 "games" each week
homefield advantage built-in
* 3 weeks of playoffs with 3 division winners and a wild-card for each league
* 1st week (wildcard of each league vs. best record and No. 2 & 3 winners)
* 2nd week LCS (first round winners of each league square off)
* 3rd and final week (final week of MLB regular season) is the "World Series."

* You would select a team from each division to manage as your dynasty (no more than four teams can be selected from each division, though). We'll probably allow teams to start off with a certain number of frozen players and then fill-in rosters and organizations with an offseason 'free agency' period. Salaries and contracts of frozen players would be determined by a ratio of their real existing contracts, shrunk to a ratio that is equal to the size of the real team's payroll versus what our salary cap will be.

* Format based on Runs Created (using BaseRuns for hitters) and Runs Allowed (BaseRuns for pitchers as well as a percentage of each "error committed" by your offensive players). It would use the pythagorean formula to create an expected win percentage (plus or minus your home or away field advantage that week) and compare that to the results of your opponent. It would then give a final pythag for that week and multiply by 7 games, giving you the number of "wins" you had that week - which is then added to the standings.

* 23-man active roster / 40-man roster with DL spots that allow additional roster flexibility until a player is removed.
* Organizational rosters consisting of abbreviated AAA, AA and A teams
* Guaranteed contracts for your active roster
* 1, 2 & 3-year contracts with extensions available
* Actual "service time" accrued for younger players
* A miniature "arbitration" process using a stats criteria for players meeting the arbitration limit
* A designated salary cap for your rosters, which will go up incrementally as the season goes on to allow owners some flexibility
* Free-agency period in the offseason using an auction over a designated period of time (that way way we have time to 'draft' over a period of several weeks and bid in increments)
* Free agency bids of any kind awarded in total salary offered (Dollars x Years). For instance... if I offer a player $10 mil for 3 years but another owner offers $11 mil for 2... the owner offering only a 2-year deal wins the player.
* Trade deadline with realistic waivers and DFA.
* A real "Rule 5" draft each year for 'minor leaguers' that are not added to a 40-man roster in the stipulated amount of time (TBD).
* A "Rule 4" or "first year" player draft each season after free agency to add prospects that were not added the previous year or guys drafted in the real MLB draft.
* A minor league budget with minor league free agency (on a small scale.. working out the logistics of that)
* Compensatory Type-A and Type-B free agent pick compensation if arbitration is offered to a player and the player's salary would increase by a certain ratio. There would be a limit to how many Type-A and Type-B picks a team could lose/sign.

I could go on. But point is, it's basically a realistic league. I am just interested in first finding out if there's interest. I have a friend or two that wants to do it... so we'd need to find 20-21 owners. You'd pick a ML team and start off by getting to keep a set number of players & prospects from that team (as I said, the initial salaries of the active players would be scaled to ratio).

The first season would be based on league. So it would start off as filling out teams from only the league your team is in. Now... we can decide if we want to keep it that way or let it open up to an MLB player pool after that. But I just want to see if there's enough interest.

So... let me know. You can also let me know what team you might want to start with. The Reds can only go to one team, so list a team other than Cincinnati and we can sort that out if the league is a go (ha ha).

Joseph
08-12-2009, 09:44 PM
Sounds complicated. I like complicated.

Brutus
08-12-2009, 09:56 PM
Sounds complicated. I like complicated.

I've been dying to do a league modeled after the real mccoy. This will have almost every sort of realistic touch to it imaginable right down to the same waiver system, organizations, contract structure and even arbitration and service time. The main difference, of course, is that we will actually have meaningful salary thresholds, unlike real baseball.

For interested folks, I will have a rules outline typed up in a few days. I have two people interested. I figure even if we don't get all 24 teams filled from here, we can explore some other team boards to find enough owners. The good news is that we will never actually need a "draft day" so coordinating such an event would not be necessary.

AtomicDumpling
08-12-2009, 10:09 PM
Sounds like a neat concept. I am interested to see how it works out. I imagine it would be a lot of work for the commissioner to keep all the records and tabulate the scoring.

Brutus
08-12-2009, 10:19 PM
Sounds like a neat concept. I am interested to see how it works out. I imagine it would be a lot of work for the commissioner to keep all the records and tabulate the scoring.

Yes it would definitely be a lot of work. My thinking is either A) find someone to design a website for teams to input the necessary items or B) we collect a nominal franchise fee each season to go toward a stat service and the leftover could be a payout.

I could probably easily design a spreadsheet to keep track of the roster information and send it out in a converted PDF file to league owners every week. I imagine, though, it would be necessary to have each AL and NL league both have oversight commissioners to help see to it transactions and rosters are legal.

nate
08-12-2009, 10:22 PM
Have you considered just doing an OOTP league?

It's pretty complex.

Brutus
08-12-2009, 10:25 PM
Have you considered just doing an OOTP league?

It's pretty complex.

I have not looked at that extensively. I'm only vaguely familiar with them. However, what I know about them, it does not seem the salary/structure is as realistic as I was going for (perhaps I am misinformed or don't know enough about some of them).

nate
08-12-2009, 10:28 PM
I have not looked at that extensively. I'm only vaguely familiar with them. However, what I know about them, it does not seem the salary/structure is as realistic as I was going for (perhaps I am misinformed or don't know enough about some of them).

It might very well be customizable.

Brutus
08-12-2009, 10:36 PM
It might very well be customizable.

I'll keep that in my back pocket if this looks like it might not be real feasible.

I do think I have the resources to make this work, though. But thanks for the suggestion!

*BaseClogger*
08-13-2009, 12:23 AM
I'm interested but I want to read your full outline...

Patrick Bateman
08-13-2009, 01:04 AM
I'd be interested too/

Brutus
08-14-2009, 06:33 PM
FYI,

I am going to have a PDF outline at some point later this weekend.

*BaseClogger*
08-17-2009, 03:30 PM
bump

Brutus
08-20-2009, 07:39 PM
bump

Good time for an update.

I'm still working on the outline. However, I do have some news on the feasibility.

After doing some research on the capabilities of some sites that host fantasy baseball, it seems that CBS will be able to accomplish most of what we need to incorporate such a task. It will require some offline documents for detailed information, but CBS will be able to track in-season payrolls, 40-man rosters, as well as active and full minor league rosters (in aggregate). So this is good news.

The only downside is that the scoring is not quite fully customizable to the point we need it to be. We would be able to track live scoring as far as statistics, but will have to come up with a method of release of the actual results (I can easily make up a spreadsheet that people can calculate that on the fly by simply inputting the stats copied from a CBS report.

The outline is coming, I promise. I'm trying to devise some ways to most accurately account for the player dynamic in things like arbitration, contracts, free agency, etc. I think I've got some things to make that work.

MJA
08-21-2009, 01:37 AM
I'd be game, but I'd first need to know time commitment. I'm going to be a freshman in college, the whole college thing is new for me so I don't want to commit to something I couldn't put the necessary man hours in.

*BaseClogger*
08-21-2009, 03:32 AM
I'd be game, but I'd first need to know time commitment. I'm going to be a freshman in college, the whole college thing is new for me so I don't want to commit to something I couldn't put the necessary man hours in.

College is easy. Get your **** done, have fun, and play fantasy baseball... :cool:

Benihana
08-21-2009, 03:15 PM
I could potentially be interested, but would like to know more details

Brutus
08-24-2009, 06:45 PM
Update: the outline is getting close. I was transferring some tables into a new document that I left open without saving and the auto-recover feature did not save it when my computer did an update/restart. So I had to start somewhat from scratch. However, after trying to strategize a few features, I am getting closer to being finished.

*BaseClogger*
08-25-2009, 12:18 AM
Sounds good... :thumbup:

camisadelgolf
08-25-2009, 08:58 AM
I'm pretty excited about this. It looks very interesting.

Brutus
08-25-2009, 03:10 PM
I'm hoping to finish the outline tonight. Once everyone sees it, you'll understand why it's taken so long (LOL).

BTW, just in the interest of full disclosure, if we do use CBS as our hosting, it will require a very, very nominal fee from everyone just to cover expenses. CBS costs (I think) $160-$180 per season, so with 24 owners, we're looking at $8 per owner per season. Obviously, not very much. At worst, we could maybe do $10-15 and distribute money among 'x' amount of teams? That's something I'd leave up to everyone that participates, but it's an idea.

TRF
08-25-2009, 03:47 PM
College is easy. Get your **** done, have fun, and play fantasy baseball... :cool:

at no point do you mention beer.

communist.

Captain Hook
08-26-2009, 02:22 AM
Sounds cool.I'm game.

Brutus
08-28-2009, 05:38 PM
Another update:

The rule outline, which really turned into more of a prospective rulebook, is pretty much done. I'm just going through proofreading, editing and checking for inconsistencies.

I've already started on the next project, a compatible QRG to make things more simpler for those that don't want to go through and read the entire text of the rulebook.

When both are done, I shall make another update, and distribute the documents to everyone that is interested. The timing will require that we start the process in about 30-45 days, in order to get things running to effectively be ready for next year.

Brutus
09-04-2009, 04:42 AM
OK folks. I have a PDF outline of the setup and rules. It's a doozy. Sorry for taking so long. You'll be able to see the work I've put into it and why it's taken so long.

Sorry if the quality is not the best. It turned out decent, but I think there were some small cosmetic things that did not turn out as I expected.

Anyone that would like a copy (you'll only need a PDF reader), give me your email either in this thread or by private message. I'll send anyone interested a copy.

We'll need to get this rolling very soon if we are seriously looking to start this offseason.

Brutus
09-04-2009, 05:50 PM
The email has been sent to everyone that has asked me thus far.

*BaseClogger*
09-05-2009, 02:10 AM
Okay, I'm reading your Prospectus now and I'm just going to list comments/questions as they pop into my head:

* Why use errors for defense with UZR available?

* Why 24 teams instead of 30 teams?

* Why play divisional teams the same amount as other teams in the same league?

* I don't think allowing minor leaguers to be used on the major league rosters is going to work. For example, a team could use AAAA players who play for Colorado Springs because of its high scoring environment. You never scale for offensive environment.



Wow. *breathes*

...

*breathes again*

My face hurts. That was an impressive document. Are you sure you shouldn't be making documents for a living rather than spending time on fantasy baseball? :D

But yeah, kudos to you man. I look forward to discussing this stuff...

Brutus
09-05-2009, 03:07 AM
Okay, I'm reading your Prospectus now and I'm just going to list comments/questions as they pop into my head:

* Why use errors for defense with UZR available?

* Why 24 teams instead of 30 teams?

* Why play divisional teams the same amount as other teams in the same league?

* I don't think allowing minor leaguers to be used on the major league rosters is going to work. For example, a team could use AAAA players who play for Colorado Springs because of its high scoring environment. You never scale for offensive environment.



Wow. *breathes*

...

*breathes again*

My face hurts. That was an impressive document. Are you sure you shouldn't be making documents for a living rather than spending time on fantasy baseball? :D

But yeah, kudos to you man. I look forward to discussing this stuff...

Great questions. Fortunately, as this is something I've thought a lot about, I can them as to some of my reasoning.

* Why use errors for defense with UZR available?

A: Mainly because UZR is just so flaky when done on a weekly basis. Plus, when I first was looking for hosting, I wanted all the stats to at least be able to be calculated in the raw form, and UZR is not yet available with any fantasy sites that I've found. Though I (in real life) obviously like UZR better than errors or fielding percentage, unfortunately I could not really think of a way to (at least for now) properly quantify UZR into the formula. I think in a year or two, that would be a great improvement.

* Why 24 teams instead of 30 teams?

A: Two basic reasons: balanced scheduling and also the ability to have a little more flexibility with rosters since you'd like to have more wiggle room with available free agents. Though this is offset somewhat by having MLE's (for minor league players), most teams would still prefer using Major League players. And since we're at the mercy of the players available on 25-man rosters, 24 teams allows a little extra versatility. Really though, balanced scheduling is the bigger reason.

* Why play divisional teams the same amount as other teams in the same league?

A: This basically comes down to balanced scheduling again. I thought about making it to where teams play their division rivals three times each, but it leads to more complicated schedule-making as this means only playing three teams from within your league once each. It would be a nightmare for trying to keep everything balanced. So two series each made it simple.

* I don't think allowing minor leaguers to be used on the major league rosters is going to work. For example, a team could use AAAA players who play for Colorado Springs because of its high scoring environment. You never scale for offensive environment.

This is accounted for in the MLE formula.

Players' stats are first adjusted for league scoring environment. The first step is to adjust the minor league they play in by the MLB level. So for the PCL... the factor I included in there was 5.0 RPG and 4.65 for MLB. So basically a PCL player automatically has his stats reduced by 7% (4.65 is 0.93 of 5.0).

Then the level and stat adjustments are made.

So you are absolutely correct to point it out, but it's the first step included! Don't worry, that was already taken into account (haha).

BTW...

I uploaded this to Google Docs for those that want to just check out the link instead of having me email it. I'll gladly send a copy over to anyone that wants it. But if you want a link, here it is...

GM Dynasty League Primer (http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B8jb5kvZz0PcODM2NGFlYzItN2E1MS00MjZhL Tk4ZTktZjUyNzAzZGVkYWUy&hl=en)

Brutus
09-07-2009, 07:29 PM
Anyone else have any feedback thus far?

camisadelgolf
09-09-2009, 04:05 PM
camisadelgolf@gmail.com

I'll gladly take a copy of the PDF.

Brutus
09-09-2009, 05:07 PM
camisadelgolf@gmail.com

I'll gladly take a copy of the PDF.

A copy was sent.

camisadelgolf
09-10-2009, 01:42 PM
A copy was sent.
Thank you. It was received. I'll look it over when I get the chance.

AtomicDumpling
09-11-2009, 09:03 PM
Well Brutus, I read the document and it was impressive. The league would be a great simulation of being an MLB General Manager.

I am thinking the semantics of actually crunching the numbers and managing the data would be like a full-time job. If you can figure out a way to automate the league to make it manageable for the commissioner and the team owners I will be extremely impressed. In fact, if you can pull it off I will invest some money and help you market the game nationally.

Brutus
09-11-2009, 11:56 PM
Well Brutus, I read the document and it was impressive. The league would be a great simulation of being an MLB General Manager.

I am thinking the semantics of actually crunching the numbers and managing the data would be like a full-time job. If you can figure out a way to automate the league to make it manageable for the commissioner and the team owners I will be extremely impressed. In fact, if you can pull it off I will invest some money and help you market the game nationally.

I'm actually trying hard to figure a way to do that. My thinking is CBS Sportsline can handle the rosters and the basic data. I have an Excel workbook that can handle the database and contract / player information. A private message board could be our "bidding" site for free agency. I'm trying to figure out if there's an easier way of handling the scoring and such. It would be easy to set up in a spreadsheet formula, but that would still require copy/pasting weekly data to derive at it.

I would love to market the game though. I think it would be a blast. I'm trying like crazy to get this thing launched. It would be a lot of fun.

Emin3mShady07
09-12-2009, 06:02 PM
I am really interested in participating in this league, I know I'm not the most active Redszone poster, but if you guys allowed me to be in the league I assure you, I would be an active manager.

Brutus
09-13-2009, 12:40 AM
I am really interested in participating in this league, I know I'm not the most active Redszone poster, but if you guys allowed me to be in the league I assure you, I would be an active manager.

I have marked you down as interested. Have you read over the PDF or do you need a copy sent?

Emin3mShady07
09-13-2009, 02:30 AM
i read the PDF from the link you posted, thanks. Heavy stuff. great job.

thatcoolguy_22
09-20-2009, 11:52 AM
I am really interested in participating in this league, I know I'm not the most active Redszone poster, but if you guys allowed me to be in the league I assure you, I would be an active manager.


i read the PDF from the link you posted, thanks. Heavy stuff. great job.


me too.

Brutus
09-20-2009, 03:53 PM
me too.

Though it's kind of in a holding pattern (trying to work some things out), I'm definitely still trying to pull this together for this season.

Thanks to all those that have expressed interest thus far!