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BluegrassRedleg
08-14-2009, 09:44 PM
... of getting guys hosed at home plate by 10+ feet? :rolleyes:

FlyerFanatic
08-14-2009, 09:46 PM
so dumb, berry has no idea what hes doing

BluegrassRedleg
08-14-2009, 09:47 PM
There's being aggressive (which I like) and then there's being foolish, which he has exhibited on MANY occasions during his time in that position.

LouisvilleCARDS
08-14-2009, 09:49 PM
I think Berry says most times "Screw it, I'll take my chances on a bad throw rather than our guys getting a hit." Really, its foolish to send these guys, but the way our offense is, thats almost the philosophy anymore.

malcontent
08-14-2009, 09:49 PM
How does he keep his job?

Honest-to-gawd, I have no clue.

LouisvilleCARDS
08-14-2009, 09:54 PM
We need a whole staff change. I rather get a new pitching coach above all else though.

malcontent
08-14-2009, 10:02 PM
Toothpick does his level best to make sure Votto never sees anybody in scoring position.

Berry just finishes the job should the unexpected occur.

mlh1981
08-14-2009, 11:32 PM
So typical for the Reds this season. Noone has any idea what they are doing. It was a real dumb decision for him to make. Yeah, Votto isn't hitting very well right now, but give him a chance. He'll bust out eventually.

I just hate leaving the pitcher out there running around. He's not used to that situation, and could have injured himself. Thank goodness he didn't. I don't know how much pitchers really work on bang-bang plays at the plate on the basepaths lol

FlyerFanatic
08-14-2009, 11:36 PM
So typical for the Reds this season. Noone has any idea what they are doing. It was a real dumb decision for him to make. Yeah, Votto isn't hitting very well right now, but give him a chance. He'll bust out eventually.

I just hate leaving the pitcher out there running around. He's not used to that situation, and could have injured himself. Thank goodness he didn't. I don't know how much pitchers really work on bang-bang plays at the plate on the basepaths lol

i would venture to guess never, they dont work on bang bang plays, harang just let em tag em, coaches would rather that than trying to make some crazy slide and injuring themselves.

mlh1981
08-14-2009, 11:38 PM
i would venture to guess never, they dont work on bang bang plays, harang just let em tag em, coaches would rather that than trying to make some crazy slide and injuring themselves.

Oh yeah, I'm glad that Harang did what he did. I was praying that he wouldn't try one of those things that you mentioned. I think a younger, more "gung-ho" pitcher might have tried to be the hero.

GIDP
08-14-2009, 11:39 PM
I think he does an excellent job.

FlyerFanatic
08-14-2009, 11:40 PM
i cant get over the fact how slow harang is...and for berry to seriously send him. they really should have pointed the camera over to berry after harang was tagged out by 10 ft to see berry's reaction. i wonder if he just sat their with a dopey face thinking to himself oh well

mlh1981
08-14-2009, 11:42 PM
i cant get over the fact how slow harang is...and for berry to seriously send him. they really should have pointed the camera over to berry after harang was tagged out by 10 ft to see berry's reaction. i wonder if he just sat their with a dopey face thinking to himself oh well

Harang is a big guy. Built like a fullback, and runs like one, too lol

Berry's reaction was prob like: "whatever. I'm still earning a big league paycheck." which just so happens to be the same philosophy of many people in that organization these days.

Old NDN
08-14-2009, 11:57 PM
With the Reds' inability to score runs or hit with RISP, I can see why Berry tries to "make things happen."

BigPoppa
08-15-2009, 12:04 AM
Mark Berry is really bad.

If they're not gonna make a staff change, at least swap him and Hatcher and let Billy try it for a while.

FlyerFanatic
08-15-2009, 12:14 AM
With the Reds' inability to score runs or hit with RISP, I can see why Berry tries to "make things happen."

i can understand that, but sending harang was inexcusable imo, everyone and their mother knew harang was way to slow. bases loaded with votto coming up..just ridiculous to risk it.

justincredible
08-15-2009, 01:11 AM
Berry has been terrible for a long time. How he has lasted through multiple managerial changes I will never know.

Slyder
08-15-2009, 02:26 AM
Berry has been terrible for a long time. How he has lasted through multiple managerial changes I will never know.

Political pull. We havent had a strong manager since probably Trader Jack.

24 years as a player, coach, etc probably got him kept as we gone through the handfull of managers weve had whom all been neutered by front office (Dave Miley) or just soft/stupid (Duhhsty).

According to wikipedia he's held the position (3rd base coach since 2003).

Bob Boone 2001–2003 428 190 238 .444 -01 — -01 — -01 — -01 —
Dave Miley 2003–2005 289 125 164 .433 -01 — -01 — -01 — -01 —
Jerry Narron 2005–2007 337 157 179 .467 -01 — -01 — -01 — -01 —
Pete Mackanin 2007 80 41 39 .513 -01 — -01 — -01 — -01 —
Dusty Baker 2008–present 162 74 88 .457 -01 — -01 — -01 — -01 —

None of those guys stand out as guys who really stood up and demanded that they have full control of the coaching staff.
Miley I feel got overruled by front office on stuff and the team knew it, which is when it went south IMO.
Mackanin wasnt a "big name" and had the "interm" tag by his name.

And even more reason I wish if Duhhsty were let go we'd find a no nonsense manager that when he cracked the whip people listened and the Front Office actually supported his decisions and kept the business nose out of it.