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Red in Chicago
08-15-2009, 07:33 PM
Chris Dickerson rf
Willy Taveras cf
Joey Votto 1b
Brandon Phillips 2b
Laynce Nix lf
Adam Rosales 3b
Ryan Hanigan c
Paul Janish ss
Johnny Cueto p

GAC
08-15-2009, 08:14 PM
Washington
Season Avg
N. Morgan cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .309
R. Belliard 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .232
R. Zimmerman 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .302
A. Dunn 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .281
J. Willingham lf0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .302
E. Dukes rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .244
J. Bard c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .239
A. Gonzalez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263
J.D. Martin p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .167


Cincinnati
Season Avg
C. Dickerson rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .266
W. Taveras cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .239
J. Votto 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .315
B. Phillips 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .264
L. Nix lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .244
A. Rosales 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .211
R. Hanigan c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .287
P. Janish ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .217
J. Cueto p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .108

GAC
08-15-2009, 08:16 PM
1-2-3 inning for Cueto

Chat is open :beerme:

GAC
08-15-2009, 08:23 PM
Simply terrible call by the umps. Geez!

WT makes a drag bunt attempt. The ball comes off the bat, but is batted straight down and comes up and hits WT while he is moving but still in the batter's box. Replay easily confirms that fact.

VR
08-15-2009, 08:32 PM
thought BP may have had that one.

VR
08-15-2009, 08:36 PM
2 1/2 ounce heavier bat for Dunn this year. That is crazy.

Goes the other way for a dinger to left, #31.

CTA513
08-15-2009, 08:37 PM
2 1/2 ounce heavier bat for Dunn this year. That is crazy.

Goes the other way for a dinger to left, #31.

That homer was one of those GABP homers that have to drive the pitchers crazy.

kbrake
08-15-2009, 08:43 PM
Pretty sure Dusty just got tossed.

VR
08-15-2009, 08:44 PM
Pretty sure Dusty just got tossed.

He should have. Taveras bunt/out was at least a bit close. The out call on Rosales was just a flat out joke.

VR
08-15-2009, 08:45 PM
Call him out!!!

Big Klu
08-15-2009, 08:46 PM
Pretty sure Dusty just got tossed.

Looks like it was Brook Jacoby who got the heave-ho.

VR
08-15-2009, 08:47 PM
Jacoby tossed.

The Reds give away enough outs the way it is. Getting hosed on 2 in 2 innings just ain't right.

RedsManRick
08-15-2009, 08:48 PM
So silly to prevent the use of technology that would allow umpires to enforce the rules more accurately... Dusty Baker gives away enough outs -- we don't need help from the ump.

WVRedsFan
08-15-2009, 08:49 PM
This lineup may cause me to barf. It would make sense to forfeit the rest of the season and rest up for next year. Any lineup that includes Taveras, Rosales, and Janish simply means you've only got six MLB batters in the game. It's six on eight. Shameful.

VR
08-15-2009, 08:51 PM
Arroyo's last 50 innings.....2.48 earnie

Cueto's last 50 innings.....9.00 earnie (and counting)

that's 1/4 of a season.

Big Klu
08-15-2009, 08:51 PM
Looks like Cueto is ready to implode.

VR
08-15-2009, 08:52 PM
Sounds like Johnny's head is the problemo here again once adversity hits.

Big Klu
08-15-2009, 08:54 PM
This lineup may cause me to barf. It would make sense to forfeit the rest of the season and rest up for next year. Any lineup that includes Taveras, Rosales, and Janish simply means you've only got six MLB batters in the game. It's six on eight. Shameful.

Six? You're counting Cueto among those six, then. More like five.

WVRedsFan
08-15-2009, 08:54 PM
Sounds like Johnny's head is the problemo here again once adversity hits.
It's been his problem since day one.

WVRedsFan
08-15-2009, 08:55 PM
Six? You're counting Cueto among those six, then. More like five.

:)

What I was saying is that Cueto has a better chance of doing damage than those three...

Kc61
08-15-2009, 08:57 PM
Cueto needs a lot of work.

The Reds offense needs to be disbanded.

WVRedsFan
08-15-2009, 08:58 PM
Adam Dunn with 31 dingers and 86 RBI's. Nah, we didn't need that. We had pitching and defense. ;)

VR
08-15-2009, 08:59 PM
Nice recovery by Cueto to get Dunner.

I'd be walking Willingham here, but, oh well.

Big Klu
08-15-2009, 08:59 PM
I thought that throw to Votto was headed for Section 133.

Big Klu
08-15-2009, 09:00 PM
Adam Dunn with 31 dingers and 86 RBI's. Nah, we didn't need that. We had pitching and defense. ;)

He would only have 68 RBI's on 31 homers if he were still here.

VR
08-15-2009, 09:01 PM
Johnny Cueto doesn't have any of the laces tied on his glove, and it costs the Reds a run.

Looks cool though, don't it?

WVRedsFan
08-15-2009, 09:01 PM
I think I've seen everything. Pitching and fielding?

Just take Cueto out, send him to the showers, and call the game.

I've had it. The bases are loaded and the game's over.

VR
08-15-2009, 09:03 PM
I think I've seen everything. Pitching and fielding?

Just take Cueto out, send him to the showers, and call the game.

I've had it. The bases are loaded and the game's over.



No, the opposing starter has a 5.40 ERA, surely they'll come back.

Oh, that's right....they haven't been able to beat any pitcher with that kind of an era in months.

flyer85
08-15-2009, 09:05 PM
seems to me the Nats are probably not the worst team in the NL anymore

WVRedsFan
08-15-2009, 09:06 PM
No, the opposing starter has a 5.40 ERA, surely they'll come back.

Oh, that's right....they haven't been able to beat any pitcher with that kind of an era in months.

Heh. 7-0. Cueto lasts less than 3 innings and is headed for being unworthy of starting a game on this staff.

When was the last time the Reds scored 8 runs? I can't remember.

Big Klu
08-15-2009, 09:08 PM
Remember when we were upset because Charlie Manuel screwed Cueto over for the All-Star team? Johnny's been in the crapper ever since.

VR
08-15-2009, 09:09 PM
Let me lay this out or all of you non baseball people.

The 0-1 pitch is a slider down, that Gonzalez hits hard down the 3rd baseline, just foul.

Now you have the #8 batter at 0-2. What pitch should you throw? Any non baseball mind would certainly say a 94 mPh heater up and in might be appropriate?

Nah, let's throw the EXACT SAME PITCH. Surprise! Gonzalez has it better timed and rips it fair for a 3 run double.

The new Reds motto needs to be "None of us is as dumb as all of us"

GADawg
08-15-2009, 09:10 PM
damn I'm embarrassed....I play golf every saturday and sunday with a freakin'
Boston boy...diehard RedSox fan and calling him out on '75 only goes so far.....I guess I'll have to listen to it tomorrow too. Looks like another bogey-bogey start

Reds Fanatic
08-15-2009, 09:11 PM
It may be time to shut Cueto down. He has been getting pounded for months now.

Tony Cloninger
08-15-2009, 09:12 PM
Even in 1982....1989...and 1993....when the team had terrible hitters (on purpose or via injury) they still managed to score an occasional 8...even implode with 12+ runs (Like the 1989 game vs HOU) ... this team can barely crack 4...and an implosion is maybe 7?

Cueto just seems to cool for school and I know he may be tired from all the off season stuff.....but he just seems like Andujar light.

Big Klu
08-15-2009, 09:14 PM
It may be time to shut Cueto down. He has been getting pounded for months now.

Either that, or ease him into the bullpen for the rest of the season.


Kip Wells lines one hard into LF for a single!

Tom Servo
08-15-2009, 09:18 PM
Anybody see that shot of incredulous Dusty? :lol:

Big Klu
08-15-2009, 09:19 PM
Votto is my favorite player on this team, but that baserunning mistake is unacceptable.

CTA513
08-15-2009, 09:20 PM
Just can't keep making these mistakes and expect to be a good team.

WVRedsFan
08-15-2009, 09:22 PM
Cueto's last 10 games:

40 IP, 63 H 44 R 44 ER 19 BB 27 SO 9.90 ERA. Our worst starter by a country mile.

Tony Cloninger
08-15-2009, 09:22 PM
Cant you just call it a good play George and move on? Do we need a rambling ode to Belliard or any other opposing player about what a great "hustler" and "team guy" and whatever other cliche you keep throwing out there?

Big Klu
08-15-2009, 09:25 PM
Did Brantley just use the phrase, "lift and separate"? :eek:

Tom Servo
08-15-2009, 09:27 PM
Elk and Elk Storyline of the game - Kip Wells facing the team that released him.



Just kidding, nobody cares.

Strikes Out Looking
08-15-2009, 09:29 PM
This Reds team has the worst lack of focus of any Reds team I can remember. And I do blame the manager/coaching staff.

VR
08-15-2009, 09:34 PM
Cueto's last 10 games:

40 IP, 63 H 44 R 44 ER 19 BB 27 SO 9.90 ERA. Our worst starter by a country mile.

His 2 starts previous to that netted 10.2 innings, 10 runs, and 18 baserunners

Tom Servo
08-15-2009, 09:34 PM
Getting crushed by the Nationals really puts you in your place.

jojo
08-15-2009, 09:34 PM
Alright what is more likely this off season for Cueto:
1) torn labrum discovered?
2) diagnosis of degenerative hip condition forces him to the pen permanently?
3) lobotomy?
4) some combination of the above?

Reds Fanatic
08-15-2009, 09:38 PM
This is the most dismal game I have ever attended.

Chip R
08-15-2009, 09:40 PM
Votto is my favorite player on this team, but that baserunning mistake is unacceptable.


Votto messed up but what the hell is Billy Hatcher coaching first for, his health?

jojo
08-15-2009, 09:41 PM
They'd better bust out some dollar dogs pretty quickly....

flyer85
08-15-2009, 09:41 PM
Did Brantley just use the phrase, "lift and separate"? :eek:must be a couple of boobs in the tv booth

WVRedsFan
08-15-2009, 09:41 PM
Alright what is more likely this off season for Cueto:
1) torn labrum discovered?
2) diagnosis of degenerative hip condition forces him to the pen permanently?
3) lobotomy?
4) some combination of the above?

I'll go with 3. He's no mentally ready to pitch in the majors successfully.

WVRedsFan
08-15-2009, 09:42 PM
Votto messed up but what the hell is Billy Hatcher coaching first for, his health?

He's a beloved former Red who was a hero in the 1990 World Series.

Strikes Out Looking
08-15-2009, 09:44 PM
Votto messed up but what the hell is Billy Hatcher coaching first for, his health?

A responsible GM would fire the entire coaching staff and manager as soon as this game is over (actually the firing would have happened weeks ago).

Chip R
08-15-2009, 09:47 PM
must be a couple of boobs in the tv booth

LOL


A responsible GM would fire the entire coaching staff and manager as soon as this game is over (actually the firing would have happened weeks ago).

Can't say I disagree with you.

Reds Fanatic
08-15-2009, 09:51 PM
I don't think any manager could win with this group now but it is time for a change in this entire staff

Reds Fanatic
08-15-2009, 09:53 PM
Nm

jojo
08-15-2009, 09:53 PM
I'll go with 3. He's no mentally ready to pitch in the majors successfully.

Since 6/20 he's done this:

ERA=8.29, FIP=6.01, K/9=7.7, BB/9=4.14.

I don't think it's so much his head as this: strike%=59.

He's went a prolonged spell without his plus command.

The Reds are hopefully working hard on figuring out why his command is going south.

thatcoolguy_22
08-15-2009, 09:56 PM
Alright what is more likely this off season for Cueto:
1) torn labrum discovered?
2) diagnosis of degenerative hip condition forces him to the pen permanently?
3) lobotomy?
4) some combination of the above?

5) Attacked by werewolves but, saved in amazing fashion by the teeny bopper vampire from "Twilight." To save his life from the wounds dispensed to his thumb by the werewolves, the vampire performs a lobotomy. Doesn't make sense to me either however, Dr Kremchek still performs Tommy John surgery days before opening day.

VR
08-15-2009, 10:13 PM
Since 6/20 he's done this:

ERA=8.29, FIP=6.01, K/9=7.7, BB/9=4.14.

I don't think it's so much his head as this: strike%=59.

He's went a prolonged spell without his plus command.

The Reds are hopefully working hard on figuring out why his command is going south.

8.88 after tonight over that stretch. (49.2 innings, 49 runs)

traderumor
08-15-2009, 10:18 PM
Well, although a loss last night, glad I could just turn off my tv and not have to sit through this one in person. I was looking at RS/RA today and it says we are the worst team in the majors. Tonight it was proven on the field.

Reds4Life
08-15-2009, 10:23 PM
If this team manages to lose 90-95 games, I have no idea how they can justify Dusty & crew not being shown the door.

VR
08-15-2009, 10:34 PM
If this team manages to lose 90-95 games, I have no idea how they can justify Dusty & crew not being shown the door.

Not that easy to justify. How can you expect to win when you keep drawing the opponents aces in every series? I think any team would be lucky to throw up the 1 run the Reds have the last two nights against powerhouse pitchers like J.D. Martin and Garret Mock.
Cy Young candidate John Lannon pitches tomorrow....yet another game with little chance for the offense.

Tom Servo
08-15-2009, 10:45 PM
Taveras with a clutch RBI single, and not a moment too soon. Let's extend him for another two years.


Edit: Sorry if that seems excessive but this game is killing me.

Tom Servo
08-15-2009, 10:48 PM
Sutton's first career HR! And suddenly it's a 10-5 game.

Degenerate39
08-15-2009, 11:01 PM
He would only have 68 RBI's on 31 homers if he were still here.

It's hard to knock someone in if they're not on base

Tom Servo
08-15-2009, 11:07 PM
Kevin Barker K's in his first major league at-bat in a couple years.

Tom Servo
08-15-2009, 11:17 PM
1-2-3 9th inning by Jared Burton. Brantley thinks he's improved.

CTA513
08-15-2009, 11:27 PM
Nationals with another error in the 9th helps the Reds get another run but they end up losing 10-6.

Spring~Fields
08-16-2009, 12:23 AM
The Reds are hopefully working hard on figuring out why his command is going south.


I am suspicious that, that might be what is wrong with him. Maybe they were working with him. He use to be able to pitch a little bit with some commands of his pitches. Unless he is injured and not telling anyone.

Spring~Fields
08-16-2009, 12:24 AM
If this team manages to lose 90-95 games, I have no idea how they can justify Dusty & crew not being shown the door.

Aman!! Have they improved anyone?

WVRedsFan
08-16-2009, 12:49 AM
I blame the front office and field management for this mess. How in the name of all that's baseball could you construct a team without a solid shortstop, a third baseman who couldn't throw accurately to first, and an outfield that is dysfunctional at best? Then offensively, they depended on a guy who had barely played for two years at short, a journjeyman utility player in the outfield, and a guy who never has hit MLB pitching except for one year with a low OBP in center. They also depended on Jay Bruce to be Adam Dunn or Ken Griffey. Really stupid.

Add to that the failure of the young guns to pitch even up to the low Reds standards. Volquez was injured, Cueto simply is not psychologically ready for a full MLB season, and Arroyo is Arroyo.

And through all of this Walt and Bob continued the mantra that we were still in it. Even as Dusty batted our two worst OBP guys 1-2, and insisted on Taveras in center nearly every game. It's simply criminal to trot out a team with no punch, no firepower and expect to win in a bandbox. Play in a little ball park and little ball will never be enough to overcome the opposition which usually has MLB hitters-- even Pittsburgh and Washington. Fire them all. Start with Dusty and then fire Walt now. While you're at it, buy out Bob (ha!) and bring in someone who understands the game. Then we can wait another ten years before the winning begins. It's just sickening.

Big Klu
08-16-2009, 12:53 AM
It's hard to knock someone in if they're not on base

Exactly.

Spring~Fields
08-16-2009, 12:53 AM
I blame the front office and field management for this mess. How in the name of all that's baseball could you construct a team without a solid shortstop, a third baseman who couldn't throw accurately to first, and an outfield that is dysfunctional at best? Then offensively, they depended on a guy who had barely played for two years at short, a journjeyman utility player in the outfield, and a guy who never has hit MLB pitching except for one year with a low OBP in center. They also depended on Jay Bruce to be Adam Dunn or Ken Griffey. Really stupid.



I feel strongly that you have valid points and questions that someone ought to be accountable for, especially if the Reds organization continues to market this product to their paying customers. Fair weather or long time loyal paying customers. That is what irks me, they seem to think everyone is dense and naive, and can't possibly recognize a good exchange in entertainment for their dollars vs not. Everyone is not stupid, they do know bad product.

Screwball
08-16-2009, 02:38 AM
I was looking at RS/RA today and it says we are the worst team in the majors.

I was just looking at it as well and I have us with the 4th worst differential at -88. The Padres are the worst at -143. Of course, the Pads did win a ridiuclous 6 of 7 from us this year, so maybe we really are the worst team in the majors.

traderumor
08-16-2009, 09:56 AM
I was just looking at it as well and I have us with the 4th worst differential at -88. The Padres are the worst at -143. Of course, the Pads did win a ridiuclous 6 of 7 from us this year, so maybe we really are the worst team in the majors.I guess I had compared us to the Nats Expected W/L, assumed they had been the worst team consistently, and made the conclusion from that.

paintmered
08-16-2009, 01:55 PM
This is the most dismal game I have ever attended.

I was there last night too. It was the most miserable time I've ever had at a Reds game. And I didn't even buy my tickets.