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WMR
08-18-2009, 11:07 AM
Pole and Jacoby I'm looking squarely at you.

Does anyone in the Reds FO have the stones to split up one of the great bromances of all time? (Dusty and "Dickie")

There's no way they actually can Dusty, is there? ( :pray: )

And I'm posing these questions with the understanding that the Reds limp to the finish line with a record maintaining the "losing pace" that they've already set.

I guess a dead cat bounce saves everybody? :( Classic Mike Brown stuff there.

Chip R
08-18-2009, 11:10 AM
I could see Jacoby going.

Edd Roush
08-18-2009, 11:12 AM
Would it matter?

I sure would like to see a manager who would bench Taveras and give Dickerson his at-bats, but until we supply our manager with a shortstop and power-hitting outfielder, it isn't going to matter much IMO.

WMR
08-18-2009, 11:14 AM
Would it matter?

I sure would like to see a manager who would bench Taveras and give Dickerson his at-bats, but until we supply our manager with a shortstop and power-hitting outfielder, it isn't going to matter much IMO.

I dunno if it will matter a huge amount in the grand scheme of things but I definitely know that I'm tired of looking at and listening to these clowns.

Bumstead
08-18-2009, 11:14 AM
What is so hard about hiring an actual pitching coach and telling Big Dick Pole to hit the road? If Dusty doesn't like it he can follow him out the door! Quit bowing to Dusty and start doing what's best for this organization!

Bum

Always Red
08-18-2009, 11:18 AM
Would it matter?


Probably not.

But in the name of "we gotta do something" I can see Pole and Jacoby getting scapegoated and axed.

But I don't think even Charlie Lau could have made a hitter of WT.

Dusty- meh. He was a good manager when he had Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa, same way that LaRussa is a good manager with Pujols, McGwire, etc.

I am becoming more convinced that this team will continue to tread water until it has a new owner. No other change will matter all that much.

Strikes Out Looking
08-18-2009, 11:18 AM
I'd like to see them all go along with the manager. In fact, yesterday, an off-day was a perfect opportunity to do just that.

Today is also a perfect opportunity. As I look at my calendar, there appear to be many ripe days for a house cleaning before pitchers and catchers report in February.

nate
08-18-2009, 11:19 AM
I think the thing that would make the most long-term difference is improving the development and scouting departments and getting players so good that even Dusty can't miscast them.

I also think Dusty would make a heckuva bench coach but that's never going to happen.

bucksfan2
08-18-2009, 11:20 AM
Dick Pole has to go. The pitching staff hasn't improved this season and Cueto looks lost on the mound.

Always Red
08-18-2009, 11:20 AM
What is so hard about hiring an actual pitching coach and telling Big Dick Pole to hit the road? If Dusty doesn't like it he can follow him out the door! Quit bowing to Dusty and start doing what's best for this organization!

Bum

Greg Maddux still tells people that Dick Pole is the best pitching coach he's ever had. Now, I am not a huge fan of Mr. Pole, but that tells me, at least, that he's not the worst pitching coach the Reds have ever had.

Chip R
08-18-2009, 11:35 AM
Greg Maddux still tells people that Dick Pole is the best pitching coach he's ever had. Now, I am not a huge fan of Mr. Pole, but that tells me, at least, that he's not the worst pitching coach the Reds have ever had.


I'm guessing Maddux would have been a great pitcher if Helen Keller were his pitching coach. Absent of cloning 5 20something Greg Madduxes, a new pitching coach would be a good thing.

That said, no matter who goes, do we really trust this bunch to pick out replacements that are any better?

lollipopcurve
08-18-2009, 11:42 AM
I'd love to see a housecleaning.

I think Jocketty is more than capable of doing it. The question is Castellini.

Always Red
08-18-2009, 12:10 PM
I'm guessing Maddux would have been a great pitcher if Helen Keller were his pitching coach. Absent of cloning 5 20something Greg Madduxes, a new pitching coach would be a good thing.

That said, no matter who goes, do we really trust this bunch to pick out replacements that are any better?

I think you're right about Maddux, but what he said either is an enormous inside joke that has every pitcher in baseball snickering, or means that Pole is not the worst pitching coach around.

That said, I have no problem getting rid of Pole, I just don't think it will make that much difference.

I think Brantley is lobbying for the job. Everytime I hear him do a game, it is just so very obvious to him what the mechanical problem of the pitcher of the day is- sounds to me like 2 weeks with Brantley would fix all of these guys right up! :rolleyes:

VR
08-18-2009, 12:13 PM
I believe the Reds also have a deficiency in the scouting/ game planning department. That is certainly on the shoulders of the manager/ coaches to some extent, but are those resources available and used? I have no idea, but based on what I see game in and game out, I don't think so.

These players can have all the tools necessary to be successful, but this isn't 1954 anymore. You can't just go toe to toe physically, you have to master the back and forth chess game of exloiting the opposing players weaknesses. This is exhibit 1A for why TLR's team always overachieve in StL.

The coaching staff seems ok overall in 'managing' the players, but game preparation is clearly lacking.

"Get Smart"

Spring~Fields
08-18-2009, 12:34 PM
I think they will all escape by playing the injury card for this year. Nice cloud to hide behind, clouding the vision.

I think that all the coaches are doing what the boss, Dusty says. The results they get look like Dusty's lineup logic to me and his players evaluations.

Chip R
08-18-2009, 12:37 PM
I think you're right about Maddux, but what he said either is an enormous inside joke that has every pitcher in baseball snickering, or means that Pole is not the worst pitching coach around.

That said, I have no problem getting rid of Pole, I just don't think it will make that much difference.

I think Brantley is lobbying for the job. Everytime I hear him do a game, it is just so very obvious to him what the mechanical problem of the pitcher of the day is- sounds to me like 2 weeks with Brantley would fix all of these guys right up! :rolleyes:


He's probably not the worst but Homer has to go down to AAA to learn a splitter from a teammate, no less. Cueto has gone from one of the best pitchers in the game to a mess. Aaron Harang has gone from a Cy Young candidate to an above average pitcher. Is it all on Pole? Probably not but I don't see much improvement in these guys.

I agree about Brantley. Although why he'd want to leave a cozy announcing gig is beyond me. I suppose the uniform has a really strong pull.

RichRed
08-18-2009, 12:51 PM
Dick Pole strikes me as the older, overweight cop on the TV detective shows who's close enough to collecting his pension that he doesn't want to screw it up by, let's say, doing anything.

Falls City Beer
08-18-2009, 01:11 PM
I imagine Dusty and the whole staff will get the axe. This is just a dreadful atmosphere.

Now don't get me wrong: it would be a dreadful atmosphere with McKanin, Maddon, or Tracy. It doesn't matter a bit. But illusions are the most valuable commodities that this FO has to truck in right now, so you're going to see a whole bunch of sleight of hand.

lollipopcurve
08-18-2009, 01:18 PM
Dick Pole strikes me as the older, overweight cop on the TV detective shows who's close enough to collecting his pension that he doesn't want to screw it up by, let's say, doing anything.

Perfect.

RichRed
08-18-2009, 01:20 PM
I imagine Dusty and the whole staff will get the axe. This is just a dreadful atmosphere.

Now don't get me wrong: it would be a dreadful atmosphere with McKanin, Maddon, or Tracy. It doesn't matter a bit. But illusions are the most valuable commodities that this FO has to truck in right now, so you're going to see a whole bunch of sleight of hand.

I agree with this. Path of least resistance and all that.

RANDY IN INDY
08-18-2009, 01:25 PM
How long before native son, Buddy Bell, is at the helm of the Cincinnati Reds?

Chip R
08-18-2009, 01:39 PM
I imagine Dusty and the whole staff will get the axe. This is just a dreadful atmosphere.


It wouldn't be the Reds way. If they get fired, it'll be during the season next year. The interim manager will get them to play better and he'll be signed to a 3 year deal.

membengal
08-18-2009, 02:09 PM
I don't know how Dick Pole hasn't already been fired.

membengal
08-18-2009, 02:10 PM
Dick Pole strikes me as the older, overweight cop on the TV detective shows who's close enough to collecting his pension that he doesn't want to screw it up by, let's say, doing anything.

Echo lollipop...perfect.

Az Red
08-18-2009, 02:12 PM
Too much money tied up in Dusty. He'll stay one more season.

Pete will get reinstated and come back as bench/hitting coach

Jose Rijo for pitching coach

Then watch Dusty and Pete revive the Reds / Dogers rivalry!

KronoRed
08-18-2009, 03:59 PM
No way, continuity is the order of the day.

mth123
08-18-2009, 08:37 PM
Scott Rolen, Player/Manager. Attempt to justify the prospect giveaway.

CarolinaRedleg
08-18-2009, 09:00 PM
If the guesses are correct, Banana Bob's not going to eat salary. One more year of Duhstymetrics....sigh :thumbdown

Heath
08-18-2009, 09:28 PM
How long before native son, Buddy Bell, is at the helm of the Cincinnati Reds?

Isn't his wife sick or something? I thought that was one of the reasons he didn't manage anymore.

He has been stuck in some awful situations in my opinion in Detroit, Kansas City, and Colorado. I don't know if Cincinnati wouldn't be the same thing.

I thought about Rick Sweet. But, I'm not sure if that's Dave Miley v 2.0

I really would like to see Mario Soto for pitching coach. I know he doesn't want the travel.

I don't think I'd like to see Pete manage again. He's liable to bat Rosales leadoff. :D

mbgrayson
08-19-2009, 12:10 AM
I am for Dick Pole to retire. I look at our young pitching staff, and I want to know why Homer could finally click in Louisville, and not in Cincinnati? The hitters are lot better, sure, but Homer has the skills to get MLB hitters out. At somepoint, I really wonder about the coaching.


Former Redbird Ted Power will enter his fourth season as Louisville's pitching coach. Power enjoyed a 13-year Major League career, including five seasons (1983-87) with Cincinnati.

Not only are the Bats in first place, but the pitching staff is 2nd in the IL in ERA (http://louisville.bats.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?y=2009&t=l_tpi&lid=117&sid=t416), 2nd in WHIP, and third lowest in walks allowed. It's not like we are loaded with MLB level pitching talent down there, so these stats mean something.

I'm all for a September coaching call-up.

HokieRed
08-19-2009, 12:13 AM
Lot of money invested in Dusty. I don't see him going till after 2010 and as long as he's here, I'll bet Pole is too. Jacoby might be the one they'll sacrifice.

Ron Madden
08-19-2009, 05:12 AM
Will we see any turnover in the coaching staff?

I certainly hope so but I doubt it.

Dusty and the staff will most likely last until the Reds fall 10 games behind next season. I don't see their replacements being a whole lot better, I'm coming close to losing all faith in this chicken spit outfit.

Ltlabner
08-19-2009, 05:53 AM
Sadly we're stuck with Dusty until at least until they are out of the race next year. They've already started blaming everything on injuries to try to dodge from the fact the team they built stunk and if everyone was healthy we'd still stinking it up. So the injury excuse gives Dusty until they are out of it in 2010 (and he may still ride out his contract).

Jacoby is probably on weaker ground than Dick Pole. One, maybe both, will get sacrificed sometime between now and the end of 2010.