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Red in Chicago
08-23-2009, 12:28 PM
Chris Dickerson CF
Paul Janish SS
Joey Votto 1B
Brandon Phillips 2B
Scott Rolen 3B
Laynce Nix LF
Jonny Gomes RF
Ryan Hanigan C
Homer Bailey P vs. RH Kevin Hart (4-2, 4.00 ERA)

mth123
08-23-2009, 12:30 PM
Chris Dickerson CF
Paul Janish SS
Joey Votto 1B
Brandon Phillips 2B
Scott Rolen 3B
Laynce Nix LF
Jonny Gomes RF
Ryan Hanigan C
Homer Bailey P vs. RH Kevin Hart (4-2, 4.00 ERA)

Probably the best line-up they can run out there at this point, though I'd flip Hanigan and Janish.

Red in Chicago
08-23-2009, 12:33 PM
Probably the best line-up they can run out there at this point, though I'd flip Hanigan and Janish.

shortstop's back second, catcher's eighth dude;)

RedsManRick
08-23-2009, 12:35 PM
Janish 2nd, Gomes 7th, Hanigan 8th, Stubbs on the bench. Dusty is not the right manager for a team that is looking to the future and needs to squeeze offense from a stone.

Spring~Fields
08-23-2009, 12:43 PM
Janish 2nd, Gomes 7th, Hanigan 8th, Stubbs on the bench. Dusty is not the right manager for a team that is looking to the future and needs to squeeze offense from a stone.



Against RH Pitching OBP SLG OPS
Chris Dickerson CF .375 .384 .759
Paul Janish SS .294 .250 .544
Joey Votto 1B .398 .543 .941
Brandon Phillips 2B .311 .409 .720
Scott Rolen 3B .338 .448 .786
Laynce Nix LF .310 .485 .795
Jonny Gomes RF .323 .541 .864
Ryan Hanigan C .362 .329 .691
Homer Bailey P vs. RH Kevin Hart

Spring~Fields
08-23-2009, 12:46 PM
Harang done for the season with surgery. Appendectomy. According to WLW.

oneupper
08-23-2009, 01:57 PM
Janish 2nd, Gomes 7th, Hanigan 8th, Stubbs on the bench. Dusty is not the right manager for a team that is looking to the future and needs to squeeze offense from a stone.

Dusty is not the right manager for a team. Period.
The Giants owe more to BALCO than Dusty.

HokieRed
08-23-2009, 02:27 PM
The Giants owed their success to Barry Bonds (and Jeff Kent).

nate
08-23-2009, 02:36 PM
Chat is open!

NC Reds
08-23-2009, 02:38 PM
Stubbs needs to play. Dusty needs to go.

membengal
08-23-2009, 02:47 PM
The SS bats second thing stopped being funny some time ago.

Now it's just painful.

NC Reds
08-23-2009, 02:55 PM
Jonny Gomes makes Griffey look like a good rightfielder.

alloverjr
08-23-2009, 02:56 PM
Gomes :confused:

alloverjr
08-23-2009, 02:57 PM
Stubbs needs to play. Dusty needs to go.

Wouldn't play him in CF though. Dickerson frankly is my choice for 2010.

JaxRed
08-23-2009, 02:57 PM
Last thing Bailey needs are extra baserunners. He should have charged that

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:02 PM
Janish 2nd, Gomes 7th, Hanigan 8th, Stubbs on the bench. Dusty is not the right manager for a team that is looking to the future and needs to squeeze offense from a stone.

Just figuring this out? ;)

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:03 PM
To sum up.

Dickerson leads off game with single, steals second and scores on Phillips two out single.

1-0 Reds after half inning.

Spring~Fields
08-23-2009, 03:04 PM
The SS bats second thing stopped being funny some time ago.

Now it's just painful.

Look up the stats for the first two batters all season, now that is pain.
At least Dickerson has some on base percentage and it showed up today when he got on and scored. Of course you know that. :)

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:05 PM
Bailey gives up 3-2 singles to first two hitters, gets Jones to line to CF.
Milledge grounds to FC, first and third, two out.

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:09 PM
BB to Doumit

They are juiced for Brandon Moss.

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:11 PM
K's Moss

1-0 Reds after 1

JaxRed
08-23-2009, 03:11 PM
Big out.

Tony Cloninger
08-23-2009, 03:17 PM
He still cannot put people away ...better than he should....but at least he got out of it.

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:18 PM
1, 2, 3 in the second. Gomes 9, Hanigan 8, Bailey 6-3.

1-0 Reds after 1 1/2.

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:19 PM
He still cannot put people away ...better than he should....but at least he got out of it.

The more I watch Bailey, the more I like him as a closer. Easy to put hitters away when you only have to worry about one inning, and two pitches.

membengal
08-23-2009, 03:23 PM
I still wonder at what Homer Bailey could be with a pitching coach who was not in the middle of a lengthy coma...

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:23 PM
Vazquez and Bixler fly out to Gomes. 2 out, Pitcher up.

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:24 PM
Taking a break from PBP, will be back in around a inning if anyone cares.

CTA513
08-23-2009, 03:31 PM
Its going to be a short outing for Bailey if it takes him about 25 pitches to get out of an inning.

SirFelixCat
08-23-2009, 03:41 PM
OH Jesus, that doesn't look good for Dickerson. He looks seriously hurt.

flyer85
08-23-2009, 03:41 PM
looks like they are checking his achilles tendon ...not good

SirFelixCat
08-23-2009, 03:43 PM
For those that didn't see, Dickerson drew a walk, then on a pickoff play, he took a long 2nd stride back to the bag instead of sliding and his left foot/ankle/achilles landed ackwardsly on the bag.

It looks like he rolled it, really really badly, though. He had to be carried off the field.


Jesus. Uncle. This team and its fans have suffered enough this year, Lord!

cincrazy
08-23-2009, 03:43 PM
I'm not a doctor, but if I had to guess, we just lost Chris Dickerson for the year.

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:44 PM
Dickerson singles, then jams his ankle into the bag getting back on a pickoff attempt and gets tagged out. He looks pretty bad, unable to put any weight on it as he is taken off the field.

Janish then singles to CF.

1 on, 1 out.

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:44 PM
Votto flies out to deep LF

1 on, 2 out

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:45 PM
I'm not a doctor, but if I had to guess, we just lost Chris Dickerson for the year.

Welcome back Darnell! :thumbup:

JaxRed
08-23-2009, 03:45 PM
I'm not a doctor, but if I had to guess, we just lost Chris Dickerson for the year.

I think so too. My guess is Achilles.

Tony Cloninger
08-23-2009, 03:46 PM
He almost hurt himself stealing 2nd with his violent headfirst slide...and now instead of sliding with his feet....which is something players just do not seem to know how to do anymore....he really gets hurt.

This is beyond stupid. Not calling CD that.....just how this happens and on a play that happens all the time to any player going back to first. You cannot overextend yourself like that.

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:46 PM
Phillips grounds out 5-3 and looks like he hurt his wrist again on the swing.

I know these things happen in threes, but usually not this fast.

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:49 PM
Good think Rolen is back, so he can anchor this lineup the rest of the season.

Stubbs 8
McDonald 9
Votto 3
Rolen 5
Nix 7
Sutton 4
Hanigan 2
Janish 6

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:50 PM
Jones with a high one hopper to Bailey 1-3

1 out.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2009, 03:50 PM
Stubbs comes in to replace Dickerson

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:51 PM
Milledge 6-3

2 out

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:52 PM
Doumit 3-1

Reds 1-0 after 3

mbgrayson
08-23-2009, 03:52 PM
Stubbs needs to play. Dusty needs to go.

The injury gods were listening.....:(

Heath
08-23-2009, 03:54 PM
There might be more people here on this thread than at PNC.

Battle for the Basement!

alloverjr
08-23-2009, 03:56 PM
I think so too. My guess is Achilles.

Looked more like an ankle to me. Would be an odd way to tear a tendon that big. I would say he's back in September.

I'm a big Dickerson fan but he seems to get a hurt a bunch.

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:58 PM
Rolen walks for the second time this game.

He should get used to it with this lineup.

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 03:59 PM
Nix singles.

1st and 3rd, no outs.

WebScorpion
08-23-2009, 04:00 PM
The injury gods were listening.....:(

Nah, if they were listening, we'd have lost Dusty for the season. :D
This lineup thing is driving me insane...I can understand occasionally batting a guy with a sub-.300 OBP in one of the top two spots of your lineup because you've watched them practice and you think they're going to perform above their current numbers, but to blindly lead off EVERY fricking game all season long with not one, BUT TWO guys with sub-.300 OBPs, you're ensuring that your lineup performs as poorly as it possibly can. :eek:
Ugh!

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 04:01 PM
SF from Gomes to CF

Rolen scores.

2-0 Reds

1 on, 1 out

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 04:04 PM
Hanigan K's. Thinking the Reds could use an offensive minded catcher to split time with Hanigan next season.

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 04:05 PM
Bailey 5-3

Reds 2-0 after 3.5

dougdirt
08-23-2009, 04:17 PM
Do they really need to keep showing Dickerson's ankle? I am scared to walk anymore today.

WebScorpion
08-23-2009, 04:18 PM
Stubbs gets a little work immediately as the first two hitters fly out to him.

Brian Bixler, (The Bucs version of Janish,) gets a double...probably his first ML extra base hit.

Then Homer settles down and strikes out the pitcher.

After 4 complete, Reds 2 - Bucs 0

nate
08-23-2009, 04:22 PM
May I reiterate something?

Drew Stubbs looks fast.

HeatherC1212
08-23-2009, 04:23 PM
Joey Votto is the man and boy can Drew Stubbs fly around the bases! Wow. :eek:

HeatherC1212
08-23-2009, 04:25 PM
We give Brandon some crap on this board but I give him a lot of credit for playing through yet another injury because he feels like the team needs him right now. I hope he gets some good rest during the off day tomorrow.

Tony Cloninger
08-23-2009, 04:26 PM
Come on Brandon.....you could have walked on that pitch and now it looks like he messed up his wrist again.

nate
08-23-2009, 04:28 PM
We give Brandon some crap on this board but I give him a lot of credit for playing through yet another injury because he feels like the team needs him right now. I hope he gets some good rest during the off day tomorrow.

It is gutsy.

I'm not sure it's smart though.

Raisor
08-23-2009, 04:32 PM
I think I pulled something myself. I'm going on the fDL

Raisor
08-23-2009, 04:34 PM
And, let's all remember WHY the Reds are getting hit with all these injuries and illnesses.

http://www.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/galactus.jpg

HeatherC1212
08-23-2009, 04:45 PM
And, let's all remember WHY the Reds are getting hit with all these injuries and illnesses.

http://www.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/galactus.jpg

Does this guy pitch?! We could really use him to start later this week. :p:

WebScorpion
08-23-2009, 04:45 PM
In the 5th, Stubbs gets a ground rule double, Janish grounds out, and Votto singles with Stubbs scoring from 2nd. Then BPhil flys out to center and Rolen goes down swinging.

In the Bucs half, McCutcheon walks, steals second, and scores on Delwyn Young's single. Then Jones grounds into a DP and Milledge pops out to center.

After 5 complete, Reds 3 - Bucs 1

Homer at 93 pitches.

mbgrayson
08-23-2009, 05:03 PM
After 6, Reds still up 3-1.

Homer at 105 pitches, 62 strikes. Hopefully teh Dusty will not send hiom out there in the 7th.

WebScorpion
08-23-2009, 05:04 PM
We start the 6th with a Nix fly out, Gomes single, and Hanigan walk. Dusty leaves Homer in to bunt the runners over which he does handily. Stubbs comes up with runners at 2nd and 3rd and 2 outs. He starts off with a called strike and then fouls off four pitches and takes a ball before flying out to center leaving the runners stranded.

For the Bucs half, Doumit works the count full to put Homer into the 100+ pitch range and Homer pounds the strike zone with a 95mph fastball followed by a 97mph heater which Doumit grounds out on. Moss grounds out to short and Homer strikes out Vasquez on 4 pitches. After 100 pitches Homers still hitting 95+. :D

After 6 - Reds 3 - Pirates 1

Homer at 105 pitches...I hope he's done.

mbgrayson
08-23-2009, 05:13 PM
Bailey back out to start the 7th with 105 pitches....Dusty, Dusty, Dusty......

Tony Cloninger
08-23-2009, 05:13 PM
The Mets just hit into a triple play to end the game. Brumlet made it...unassisted.....with runner on 1st and 2nd and no outs (duh!) Line drive right at him and he stepped on 2nd and tagged the runner from 1st.

WebScorpion
08-23-2009, 05:14 PM
Yikes! Dusty leaves Homer in for the 7th...he does seem to be pitching well though.

LoganBuck
08-23-2009, 05:14 PM
Why is Homer still in?

I am sick of hearing the Reds media talking about "teaching young pitchers to learn how to go deep into games". How is that working for you?

LoganBuck
08-23-2009, 05:16 PM
Line Drive from McCutcheon catches Gomes in Right

We go to the eighth.

mth123
08-23-2009, 05:16 PM
Homer still throwing in the upper 90s.

mbgrayson
08-23-2009, 05:18 PM
Nice nine pitch inning for Bailey. At 114 pitches, he should be done for sure. Homer did look good today, after the first couple innings where he ran up his pitch count.

The problem with the high pitch counts is not really in the game where they are high, it is the wear and tear for the rest of the year. The Reds can ill afford losing another pitcher at this point.

WebScorpion
08-23-2009, 05:18 PM
Homer still throwing in the upper 90s.

According to Gameday, pitches 111, 112, and 113 were 97mph cheese...pitch number 114? 98! :eek: I know the Gameday gun is usually a bit high, but his last pitch was possibly the fastest pitch he's thrown all night.

RedsManRick
08-23-2009, 05:18 PM
I actually did't mind Bailey being left in here. For once he actually looks relaxed out there. He's been throwing strikes the last few innings and working quickly compared to usual. If he gets in trouble or up north of 115-120, I definitely pull him -- but let him pitch while's he pitching well and doesn't look tired.

HeatherC1212
08-23-2009, 05:21 PM
Homer pitched a pretty solid game after a rough 1st inning. I'm glad he got a chance to get one more inning in and that he made it a quick one. He needs to send his thanks to Gomes for the great catch! :D

LoganBuck
08-23-2009, 05:21 PM
Now maybe the bullpen can blow it.

Homer forgot to leave men on base for Masset to allow to score.

Feeling kind of negative today.

Ron Madden
08-23-2009, 05:21 PM
I was OK with Homer going back out for the 7th inning. I would not send him back out there in the 8th.

Big Klu
08-23-2009, 05:22 PM
Chris Bootcheck pitching for the Pirates. He's distantly related to Bob Hatcheck and Joe Coatcheck.

HeatherC1212
08-23-2009, 05:26 PM
Chris...it's called SNAKE.BIT. The entire flipping team for almost the entire season and we still have over a month go too. :eek:

LoganBuck
08-23-2009, 05:26 PM
The camera focused on Bronson Arroyo several times, he better watch himself. Galactus is watching.

WebScorpion
08-23-2009, 05:27 PM
Chris Bootcheck pitching for the Pirates. He's distantly related to Bob Hatcheck and Joe Coatcheck.

Wasn't Bootcheck a high draft pick many years ago? I remember him being a perennial star of the future for the Angels...how'd he end up a Bucco?

LoganBuck
08-23-2009, 05:34 PM
Galactus strikes again!!!!!

Hanigan hit in the head with foul and leaves game.

HeatherC1212
08-23-2009, 05:35 PM
Wasn't Bootcheck a high draft pick many years ago? I remember him being a perennial star of the future for the Angels...how'd he end up a Bucco?

I was just thinking the same thing. I remember him being one of the top prospects for the Angels and I have no clue how he ended up in Pittsburgh. The Angels always have so many pitching prospects though that he could have been let go or traded at some point.

HeatherC1212
08-23-2009, 05:37 PM
Galactus strikes again!!!!!

Hanigan hit in the head with foul and leaves game.

That seemed to be more precautionary with Ryan having neck issues off and on the last few weeks. I wouldn't take a chance on leaving him in either. It's a VERY good thing these guys are off tomorrow! :eek:

WebScorpion
08-23-2009, 05:42 PM
Wasn't Bootcheck a high draft pick many years ago? I remember him being a perennial star of the future for the Angels...how'd he end up a Bucco?

To answer my own question, he was the Angels 1st round pick in 2000 and has been in and out of the Majors since then...sort of a AAAAer. They had converted him to a reliever. He signed with Pittsburgh as a minor league FA this off-season and has been honing his craft in Indianapolis most of the year. IMO, a nice pickup for the Bucs...Kerrigan has him reviving his change-up...could turn into a really nice story.

In the 8th, both teams go down 1-2-3.

Still Reds 4 - Bucs 1

Ron Madden
08-23-2009, 06:01 PM
What are the odds that Cordero can retire the Bucs in order in the 9th.

TheNext44
08-23-2009, 06:01 PM
Cordoro in to get the incredibly difficult save.

So glad the Reds have him to get Doumit, Moss and Vazquez before giving up three runs. Best $12M they every spent. :cool:

klw
08-23-2009, 06:03 PM
Dickerson has a sprained left ankle. X-rays were negative. He'll be examined tomorrow in the Cincinnati by Dr. Tim Kremchek.
Per Fay

WebScorpion
08-23-2009, 06:06 PM
Cordoro in to get the incredibly difficult save.

So glad the Reds have him to get Doumit, Moss and Vazquez before giving up three runs. Best $12M they every spent. :cool:

DANG! Good-bye #5 draft pick! :( This one belooongs to the REDS!!!

On a good note, both the Nats and the Orioles won today.

HeatherC1212
08-23-2009, 06:09 PM
I'm happy that the Reds won today. I'm probably the only one here but I'm still happy, LOL :laugh:

mth123
08-23-2009, 06:12 PM
I'm happy that the Reds won today. I'm probably the only one here but I'm still happy, LOL :laugh:

I'm happy too. I am especially happy about Bailey's outing. He's going to need to take a leap forward hopefully today is a start.

HeatherC1212
08-23-2009, 06:30 PM
I'm happy too. I am especially happy about Bailey's outing. He's going to need to take a leap forward hopefully today is a start.

I agree and hopefully Homer builds on this start and uses what he learned for his upcoming ones. :)

PuffyPig
08-23-2009, 07:13 PM
Wouldn't play him in CF though. Dickerson frankly is my choice for 2010.

If Stubbs plays, he has to be in CF.

He can field circles around Dickerson, and Dickerson ain't bad.

PuffyPig
08-23-2009, 07:19 PM
What are the odds that Cordero can retire the Bucs in order in the 9th.

Cordero has made the Reds the only team in the majors who have won every game they led after 8 innings.

He's likely the last guy we need to complain about.

And he has a very good WHIP this year.

Ron Madden
08-23-2009, 10:00 PM
Cordero has made the Reds the only team in the majors who have won every game they led after 8 innings.

He's likely the last guy we need to complain about.

And he has a very good WHIP this year.

Wasn't complaining. Just saying it seems like a rare occasion when Cordero retires the side in order to earn a save. (he got two quick outs today then gave up a hit before getting out #3.)

PuffyPig
08-23-2009, 10:31 PM
Wasn't complaining. Just saying it seems like a rare occasion when Cordero retires the side in order to earn a save. (he got two quick outs today then gave up a hit before getting out #3.)


His Whip is 1.21 which is excellent. The odds are that every pitcher will give up a baserunner in an inning, which would equate to a .250 OBA.

traderumor
08-23-2009, 10:54 PM
After the first two shaky innings, Homer pitched excellent, and against a hot-hitting Pirates team. He was actually the first major league pitcher the Pirates saw all weekend!

Glad to hear Dickerson just rolled the ankle, did that myself once playing basketball, fell on my face stepping out of bed the next morning when I put weight on it.