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Captain Hook
08-26-2009, 02:19 AM
Since I don't own a gun and never will I'm not too sure about the laws when it comes to what you can and can't do with a gun and also how severe the punishments are when gun laws are broken.I'm sure it's against the law to walk into a bar with a gun but basically isn't that all that Plaxico is guilty of? I know there are a lot of very bad things that could have happened but what did happen is that he shot himself on accident.Sure, he's an idiot and shouldn't have done it but 2 years in jail?

WMR
08-26-2009, 02:28 AM
NYC doesn't play around with illegal possession of a firearm. Period.

reds1869
08-26-2009, 08:37 AM
Since I don't own a gun and never will I'm not too sure about the laws when it comes to what you can and can't do with a gun and also how severe the punishments are when gun laws are broken.I'm sure it's against the law to walk into a bar with a gun but basically isn't that all that Plaxico is guilty of? I know there are a lot of very bad things that could have happened but what did happen is that he shot himself on accident.Sure, he's an idiot and shouldn't have done it but 2 years in jail?

Discharging a firearm in a crowded public place is a serious offense. I'm a fierce proponent of gun rights but there is no defense for what he did. If you can't control it and use it properly, don't carry it.

RedFanAlways1966
08-26-2009, 08:47 AM
Got what he deserved. The law was in place before he did it. Is the law fair? I think so. Hopefully he will come out of jail a smarter individual. If not, then there are more jail cells. He'd be in that jail longer if that stray bullet had hit someone other than himself. He should thank the good Lord for the fact that he got "lucky" and only shot himself.

dabvu2498
08-26-2009, 08:51 AM
Compared to what Chris Brown got for beating the crap out of Rihanna? Yes.

reds1869
08-26-2009, 09:04 AM
Compared to what Chris Brown got for beating the crap out of Rihanna? Yes.

Then again, Donte Stallworth killed someone and only got 30 days. Absolutely sickening.

bucksfan2
08-26-2009, 09:12 AM
NYC has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Plax got what he deserved in the NYC court of law.

What do you bring a loaded gun, with the safety off, into a club for? This has nothing to do with gun rights, it has to do with stupidity.

He was stupid and he broke the law. I saw an interview on E60 and he was asked why he didn't have a holster, he responded something to the extent, "it was a mistake".

Ltlabner
08-26-2009, 09:14 AM
When comparing the sentencing to other crimes you'll find disparities all day long. Some have already been noted. You can argue that X crime is worse than Y crime till the cows come home.

NY state has very strict gun control laws. Responsible firearms ownership entails following the laws to the best of your abilities. Period. If you don't like the law work to change it legislatively. In the meantime, follow the laws.

Responsible firearms ownership also entails knowing how to operate the firearm and use it safely. I don't know the details of the case but the bottom line is having a firearm out of the holster in a nightclub (unless you are preparing to use it in self-defense) and your finger near/on/close to the trigger is the antithesis of firearms safety. Having it pointed at anything other than a safe backstop is also another cardinal sin. Pointing it at yourself is...well....not to bright. There's a lot of people who want to show off and play tough-guy. As a firearms owner and daily user I'd like to smack anyone that stupid upside the head. Obviously it's unsafe, but it also tarnishes those of us who exercise great care, take extensive training, and are hyper-focused on safety.

So ultimately, the punishment might not square up with other crimes, but for the shear stupidity of what he did, and the laws he broke, he deserves punishment of some sort.

GIDP
08-26-2009, 09:56 AM
Yes its completely fair

redsfandan
08-26-2009, 10:09 AM
Too harsh? Yes. But I agree with this:

So ultimately, the punishment might not square up with other crimes, but for the shear stupidity of what he did, and the laws he broke, he deserves punishment of some sort.

dsmith421
08-26-2009, 11:11 AM
I think it's admirable that the NYC prosecutors treated Burress like any other citizen who went into a crowded bar with a gun jammed into the waistband of his/her designer sweatpants, then managed to shoot themselves while endangering the lives of literally hundreds of people. In a lot of jurisdictions he'd have been given a sweetheart deal and a slap on the wrists. He deserves every bit of this, and shame on ESPN for airing that ridiculous piece last night meant to curry sympathy.

NJReds
08-26-2009, 12:05 PM
If that incident happened to a random citizen, I don't think they get jail time.

Mayor Bloomberg made a point from the beginning that Plaxico needed to serve as an example.

guttle11
08-26-2009, 12:15 PM
Being in line with what the law says doesn't necessarily mean fair. Two years for essentially taking a registered gun across state lines? Unfair. If he had registered the gun in New York he would not be going to jail. That's a pretty harsh punishment.

The bigger issue is the mayor and prosecutor publicly saying they were going to make an example of him because he is a celebrity. That is wholly unfair. Not much different that famous people getting off easy.

Highlifeman21
08-26-2009, 12:19 PM
NYC doesn't play around with illegal possession of a firearm. Period.

Plax's goose was cooked the second Bloomberg opened his yap about "Plax will serve jail time"

GIDP
08-26-2009, 12:25 PM
Being in line with what the law says doesn't necessarily mean fair. Two years for essentially taking a registered gun across state lines? Unfair. If he had registered the gun in New York he would not be going to jail. That's a pretty harsh punishment.

The bigger issue is the mayor and prosecutor publicly saying they were going to make an example of him because he is a celebrity. That is wholly unfair. Not much different that famous people getting off easy.

The mayor and the prosecutor didnt hand down the punishment.

Highlifeman21
08-26-2009, 12:30 PM
The mayor and the prosecutor didnt hand down the punishment.

A judge in NYC won't take into consideration anything that comes out of the Mayor's mouth?

.... c'mon...

GIDP
08-26-2009, 12:31 PM
A judge in NYC won't take into consideration anything that comes out of the Mayor's mouth?

.... c'mon...

Did I say that?

bucksfan2
08-26-2009, 12:42 PM
Plax's goose was cooked the second Bloomberg opened his yap about "Plax will serve jail time"

Plax's goose was cooked when he brought a loaded fire arm into a bar. I don't know if it is federal or not, but you aren't allowed to possess a fire arm in a location that sells alcohol.

I for one don't want a guy walking the streets who brings a loaded fire arm, with its safety off, into a crowded night club and shoots himself in the leg.

BuckeyeRed27
08-26-2009, 12:45 PM
Typically I think punishment should be inline with intent. Plax made a mistake and should certainly have to pay for that in some way, but his intent was obviously not to discharge a gun in a crowded bar. I do believe that 2 years is a little much for this particular incident.

NJReds
08-26-2009, 12:49 PM
The mayor and the prosecutor didnt hand down the punishment.

To clarify, here's one of Bloomberg's quotes from a press conference that he held after the incident. (He wouldn't have held a press conference if some average Joe accidentally shot himself in the leg.)


“I think it would be an outrage if we didn’t prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, particularly people who live in the public domain, make their living because of their visibility. They are the role models for our kids.”

Did that have an effect on how the prosecuter approached this case? I don't know, but it was irresponsible for the Mayor to make that comment before the case.

GIDP
08-26-2009, 12:52 PM
Typically I think punishment should be inline with intent.

Thats a pretty open ended statement.

Ltlabner
08-26-2009, 01:17 PM
I'll have to check it out tonight at the hotel for the specifics of this case but firearms laws are mostly state issues and as such laws differ by state. The is no current Federal prohbition about a firearm in a bar.

For example, with a concealed carry permit in Ohio you can not step foot in any business that has a liscenece to dispence alchahol. In Kentucky you can go to a resturant that serves but not sit at the bar. In Indiana you can sit at the bar but not consume booze.

Just going from memory Plaxico would have issues with carrying a concealed weapon without a permit (or one that NY recognies), carrying in a licquer establishment if NY prohibits that (Id assume they do) along with discharging a weapon, public endagerment etc. What they actually charged him with I don't know.

But the issue is far more serrious than just having a non permitted firearm.

Hoosier Red
08-26-2009, 03:12 PM
Then again, Donte Stallworth killed someone and only got 30 days. Absolutely sickening.

He got 30 days for a first offense DUI. All indications are he could have hit and killed the person if he was stone cold sober.

Can we stop acting like Donte Stallworth lined up a person through a scope and pulled the trigger?

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.

bucksfan2
08-26-2009, 03:15 PM
He got 30 days for a first offense DUI. All indications are he could have hit and killed the person if he was stone cold sober.

Can we stop acting like Donte Stallworth lined up a person through a scope and pulled the trigger?

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.

He would have received a much longer jail sentence had he not worked out a financial settlement with the defendant's family.

NJReds
08-26-2009, 03:49 PM
He got 30 days for a first offense DUI. All indications are he could have hit and killed the person if he was stone cold sober.

Can we stop acting like Donte Stallworth lined up a person through a scope and pulled the trigger?

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.

Plaxico made a mistake and didn't kill anyone.

Highlifeman21
08-26-2009, 04:30 PM
Plax's goose was cooked when he brought a loaded fire arm into a bar. I don't know if it is federal or not, but you aren't allowed to possess a fire arm in a location that sells alcohol.

I for one don't want a guy walking the streets who brings a loaded fire arm, with its safety off, into a crowded night club and shoots himself in the leg.

The guy made a mistake, plain and simple.

He should have had a holster. He should have had the saftey on (although IIRC, Plax's gun lacked a safety).

Hell, he probably shouldn't have had it on him in the first place. But he did. He shot himself. And now he's going to spend almost 2 years in jail for making a stupid mistake that only harmed himself.

Chip R
08-26-2009, 04:33 PM
The guy made a mistake, plain and simple.

He should have had a holster. He should have had the saftey on (although IIRC, Plax's gun lacked a safety).

Hell, he probably shouldn't have had it on him in the first place. But he did. He shot himself. And now he's going to spend almost 2 years in jail for making a stupid mistake that only harmed himself.


Then next time he will know better not to bring a gun to a club.

Highlifeman21
08-26-2009, 04:39 PM
Then next time he will know better not to bring a gun to a club.

And I'm sure celebrities and their respective entourages will also consider the accessories they bring to the club in the near future, no?

I'm sure Bloomberg will definitely be happy if he can use Plax as an example of what not to do in NYC.

RichRed
08-26-2009, 04:39 PM
Then next time he will know better not to bring a gun to a club.

And so, maybe, will the next guy.

Chip R
08-26-2009, 04:57 PM
And I'm sure celebrities and their respective entourages will also consider the accessories they bring to the club in the near future, no?

I would hope so. Why in the world do they need to bring guns to these clubs in the first place?

I wonder if Plaxico would have been treated so harshly if this had happened a year earlier or even 6 months earlier? When the Giants were the toast of the town and Plaxico wasn't such a bad actor then.

bucksfan2
08-26-2009, 05:09 PM
I would hope so. Why in the world do they need to bring guns to these clubs in the first place?

I wonder if Plaxico would have been treated so harshly if this had happened a year earlier or even 6 months earlier? When the Giants were the toast of the town and Plaxico wasn't such a bad actor then.

Plax was always a bad actor, the winning just disguised that.

My favorite Plax moment was in his rookie season. He caught a pass sliding to the ground in a game for a first down. He got up spiked the ball and started to celebrate only to see the opposing team recover the ball.

Ltlabner
08-26-2009, 05:15 PM
Is Plaxico a NY or NJ resident?

NJReds
08-26-2009, 05:18 PM
Is Plaxico a NY or NJ resident?

Actually, I think he's a Florida resident because they said he had a Florida permit to carry the gun. He also "alledgedly" went through a metal detector and was frisked going into the club and they were aware he was carrying.

He did not have a NY permit.

Chip R
08-26-2009, 05:18 PM
My favorite Plax moment was in his rookie season. He caught a pass sliding to the ground in a game for a first down. He got up spiked the ball and started to celebrate only to see the opposing team recover the ball.


LOL.

RichRed
08-26-2009, 05:29 PM
Plax is originally from the Green Run area of Virginia Beach, affectionately known as "Gang" Run (I work a few miles from there). A lot of his behavior would seem to indicate that sometimes, you can take the man out of the 'hood but you can't always take the 'hood out of the man.

Ltlabner
08-26-2009, 05:30 PM
He should have had a holster. He should have had the saftey on (although IIRC, Plax's gun lacked a safety).

Carrying any loaded weapon in your pocket or waistband (sometimes called "Mexican carry") without a holster is a dumb idea.

Your comment about lacking a safety isn't quite accurate. According to one news story he had a Glock handgun. Glocks employ 3 different safety systems, however there is no external "safety switch". The "safeties" on Glocks are disengaged as the trigger is pulled, not by flicking a switch. Don't press the trigger and the gun can not and will not discharge. Press the trigger the gun fires.

All of which makes it nothing short of retarded to carry a loaded Glock sans holster in your waistband/pocket in NYC or otherwise.


Actually, I think he's a Florida resident because they said he had a Florida permit to carry the gun.

He did not have a NY permit.

I'm not sure that NY recognizes Flordia's CCW permits (and in any case it was expired). Even if he had a NY state license to carry a concealed firearm, that license is not recognized by the City of New York without going through specific procedures. Also, it looks like NY CCW laws prohibit carry in bars/clubs (at least from a quick search). That's in addition to prohibiting transport of a loaded weapon in a vehicle without a CCW and public endangerment.

All in all Plaxico violated common sense, gun safety rules and New York State and City law. Whether the punishment is "fair" relative to other crimes is a different debate, but he should be dealt with severely for being such a bonehead.

RichRed
08-26-2009, 05:34 PM
All in all Plaxico violated common sense, gun safety rules and New York State Law. Whether the punishment is "fair" relative to other crimes is a different debate, but he should be dealt with severely for being such a bonehead.

Absolutely. And he's damn lucky that bullet didn't hit someone else; then he'd be begging for just two years in the slammer.

NJReds
08-27-2009, 09:28 AM
All in all Plaxico violated common sense, gun safety rules and New York State and City law. Whether the punishment is "fair" relative to other crimes is a different debate, but he should be dealt with severely for being such a bonehead.

I'm not defending Plaxico. But I do believe two things:

- The Mayor was out-of-bounds with his comments
- An average citizen most likely avoids jail time for a first offense

Ltlabner
08-27-2009, 05:10 PM
An average citizen most likely avoids jail time for a first offense

I'm not a lawyer, however it looks like having a loaded firearm without a permit in the State of New York is a Class C Felony (http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS). Not sure how the offense taking place in the City of New York changes things as they have separate firearms laws from the State of New York.

If his magazine held more than 10 rounds, which is possible with 2 of the 3 models of Glock's he was likely carrying, that is a class D felony.


It is a class D felony to manufacture, transport, dispose of, or possess a large capacity ammunition feeding
device, which N.Y. Penal Law § 265.00(23) defines as "a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device"
manufactured after September 13, 1994, "that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted
to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition." Section 265.02.

Here (http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newyork.pdf)

New York State has arguably the most restrictive gun laws in the US. Combine that with various classes of Felonies mentioned above and I'm thinking nobody get's off without some time in the pokey, football player or not.

George Foster
08-28-2009, 11:46 PM
Being in line with what the law says doesn't necessarily mean fair. Two years for essentially taking a registered gun across state lines? Unfair. If he had registered the gun in New York he would not be going to jail. That's a pretty harsh punishment.

The bigger issue is the mayor and prosecutor publicly saying they were going to make an example of him because he is a celebrity. That is wholly unfair. Not much different that famous people getting off easy.

My father is a prosecutor and he said he could lose his law license for saying something like this in public. Justice is suppose to be blind, you don't make examples out of people, it goes against everything the judicial system stands for. With this being said, Martha Stewart says HI! She got screwed as well.

Plaxico did something he was not suppose to do. Jail time...yes..in the county jail for 30-60 days. Not Prision for 2 years....NO WAY. Prision is for bad people, that have hurt other people, and had intent to hurt others. Plaxico does not fall into this catagory...not at all.

Mayor Bloomburg believes that the only people in New York that should have hand guns are the cops that protect him.

The moral of this story is don't live in New York.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 11:59 PM
It kinda bugs me when people say that they want to make an example of people. That's just makes the judicial system seem like a joke.

Yachtzee
08-29-2009, 12:11 AM
My father is a prosecutor and he said he could lose his law license for saying something like this in public. Justice is suppose to be blind, you don't make examples out of people, it goes against everything the judicial system stands for. With this being said, Martha Stewart says HI! She got screwed as well.

Plaxico did something he was not suppose to do. Jail time...yes..in the county jail for 30-60 days. Not Prision for 2 years....NO WAY. Prision is for bad people, that have hurt other people, and had intent to hurt others. Plaxico does not fall into this catagory...not at all.

Mayor Bloomburg believes that the only people in New York that should have hand guns are the cops that protect him.

The moral of this story is don't live in New York.

Of course in this case, the mayor is not a lawyer, so he doesn't have a law license to lose. And what a prosecutor wants and what a judge gives with regard to sentences are entirely different things. The prosecutor may ask for the maximum or the minimum, or whatever. However, it is the discretion of the judge as far as what sentence is to be imposed. I've only been in the practice of criminal law for a few years and already I've seen cases where the prosecutor recommended probation only to have the defendant receive close to the maximum. Likewise, I've had the prosecutor make a big show about demanding the maximum penalty and the judge gave the guy probation.

One thing is for sure, I've rarely seen judges impose a sentence based on political pressure from non-judicial political officials. Most judges I know, when confronted with pressure by politicians outside the judicial system, are more likely to do the opposite when a mayor or police chief says what they want in the case. They take pride in their independence from the other branches of government. I'd be interested to hear what other attorneys here think, but I'm more inclined to think the judge imposed a sentence within the guidelines of the law based on the facts of the case and his own personal feelings about the severity of the crime.

dabvu2498
08-29-2009, 12:31 AM
Of course in this case, the mayor is not a lawyer, so he doesn't have a law license to lose. And what a prosecutor wants and what a judge gives with regard to sentences are entirely different things. The prosecutor may ask for the maximum or the minimum, or whatever. However, it is the discretion of the judge as far as what sentence is to be imposed. I've only been in the practice of criminal law for a few years and already I've seen cases where the prosecutor recommended probation only to have the defendant receive close to the maximum. Likewise, I've had the prosecutor make a big show about demanding the maximum penalty and the judge gave the guy probation.

One thing is for sure, I've rarely seen judges impose a sentence based on political pressure from non-judicial political officials. Most judges I know, when confronted with pressure by politicians outside the judicial system, are more likely to do the opposite when a mayor or police chief says what they want in the case. They take pride in their independence from the other branches of government. I'd be interested to hear what other attorneys here think, but I'm more inclined to think the judge imposed a sentence within the guidelines of the law based on the facts of the case and his own personal feelings about the severity of the crime.

Well said.

MJA
08-29-2009, 12:48 AM
A couple things to consider.

-Plaxico was carrying the gun only days after his teammate, Steve Smith, was robbed at gunpoint. That should count for something.

-A celebrity should be treated like any other person when it comes to the judicial system, a lot of the time they treated better than the average joe but sometimes they are treated worse because someone wants to make an "example" out of them.

This is from PFT's Mike Florio http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/21/pftv-looks-at-whether-justice-was-done-in-plaxico-case/

Keep in mind that he is/was a lawyer, he thinks that Plaxico got a harsher punishment because the city was "Trying to send a message". Thats my problem, if its not fair to give special privileges to celebrities then it shouldn't be fair to treat them worse because of their fame.

-Mayor Bloomberg getting himself involved was for one reason and one reason only; votes. Bloomberg probably didn't even give a crap about Plaxico, but realized that this was a great political opportunity to show that he was not only tough on crime, but also tough on celebrities.

What Plaxico did was extremely stupid, we can all agree on that, but does that stupidity warrant a harsher sentence then your average person? I don't think so.

RedFanAlways1966
08-29-2009, 01:39 AM
NEW YORK -- Facing the prospect of spending at least 3˝ years behind bars, one-time Super Bowl star Plaxico Burress on Thursday accepted a plea bargain with a two-year prison sentence for a firearm charge.

Burress was indicted earlier this month on two counts of criminal possession of a weapon and one count of reckless endangerment. He faced a minimum sentence of 3˝ years if convicted at trial.

Let us not forget that Burress agreed to go to prison for 2 years. He was not convicted in a trial. He and his attorney must have thought it was going to be worse if it went to trial. The law is there. 3˝ years is the law for getting caught as he did. That law applies to all people in NYC. Can anyone present other recent NYC cases like this where the defendant was pursued much easier by the DAs in NYC? Obviously his attorney didn't have many.

Deciding to do what he did can cause a death. Reckless. Not trained and not permitted to CCW. It is not a 2nd Amendment thing or politics, I am sure most NRA types would agree he should be punished, it is about recklessness and behaving in a manner that can cause an innocent person to die. Could be you that dies, could be your loved ones that die, could be your friends that die. I want all people, famous or not, to be punished with jail who do this. This country has a gun/violence/death problem (compare to other nations). Most are because of people who are carrying for the wrong reason. Plaxico was carrying for the wrong reason. Need a gun when out, then stay home or find a safer area to hang. It is unacceptable.

A dumb mistake that I am sure he'd do differently. But he did it. A bullet flew out of gun that was illegally possessed in a public place. Go to stop it. Punish all who do this. Want to carry? Then do it legally. Get the required training, get the gun permit and get authorized to carry. Don't do it that way and face three felonies that carry jail time. I like the law. I am not against guns, but I am against dummies who discharge their unlawful gun in public (accidental or not).

Ltlabner
08-29-2009, 06:29 AM
Plaxico was carrying the gun only days after his teammate, Steve Smith, was robbed at gunpoint. That should count for something.
.

No, no it shouldn't. It really has nothing to do with the case at hand.

If Plaxico had worried about being robbed he could have applied for an emergency permit or hired NYC permitted body guards to help him out.

As far as Bloomburg goes, I don't think he wanted to "make an example" out of Plaxico because he was a football star or rich. Without getting too peanut gallery, Bloomburg is the head, or one of the driving forces, of a group called "Mayors Against Guns". So his comments were likely driven more by that than wanting to "get" Plaxico.

Ltlabner
08-29-2009, 06:30 AM
Want to carry? Then do it legally. Get the required training, get the gun permit and get authorized to carry. Don't do it that way and face three felonies that carry jail time. I like the law. I am not against guns, but I am against dummies who discharge their unlawful gun in public (accidental or not).

This.

redsfandan
08-29-2009, 07:47 AM
Let us not forget that Burress agreed to go to prison for 2 years. He was not convicted in a trial. He and his attorney must have thought it was going to be worse if it went to trial. The law is there. 3˝ years is the law for getting caught as he did. That law applies to all people in NYC. Can anyone present other recent NYC cases like this where the defendant was pursued much easier by the DAs in NYC? Obviously his attorney didn't have many. ...
I'm curious why he was hit with two counts of criminal possession of a weapon and one count of reckless endangerment instead of one count of each. The more charges there are the more time could be served.

... As far as Bloomburg goes, I don't think he wanted to "make an example" out of Plaxico because he was a football star or rich. Without getting too peanut gallery, Bloomburg is the head, or one of the driving forces, of a group called "Mayors Against Guns". So his comments were likely driven more by that than wanting to "get" Plaxico.
Doesn't matter to me what his comments were driven by. Let the cops do the talking and do their job. Still sounds like he wanted to make an example of him so he could be called a mayor that's tough on crime. Isn't that all about votes?

George Foster
08-30-2009, 01:13 AM
I agree according to the laws that are on the books in New York, Plaxico broke the law. I just think it's a bad law. It should of been a misdemeanor.
He did not hurt anybody, he hurt himself. Could someone have gotten hurt...yes, but they did not.

The same thing goes for driving drunk. Does anybody think the 1st time you get busted for driving drunk you should go to prision for 2 years? Could you have killed someone? Yes, but you didn't. If you did hurt or kill someone, THEN it becomes a felony.

To me these crimes are the same. Carrying a gun somewhere you are not suppose to or driving drunk. If's it your 1st offense, and no one got hurt, it sould be a misdemeanor.

If you say that harsher gun laws are a deterrant, then you should believe that 1st time DUI should be a felony as well. That would be consistant.

GAC
09-05-2009, 02:59 PM
Then again, Donte Stallworth killed someone and only got 30 days. Absolutely sickening.

The guy walked out of nowhere into the path of his car. No, I'm not condoning drinking and driving. But after looking at the circumstances in that accident/tragedy, no driver, sober or drunk, would have not been able to avoid hitting that guy IMO.

And Stallworth not only immediately acknowledged responsibility and accountability for what happened; but also great remorse. He says it's something he wakes up to every day, and will for the rest of his life.

Also - the family of the victim did not want a long, drawn out trial, so a settlement was reached.

reds1869
09-05-2009, 03:46 PM
The guy walked out of nowhere into the path of his car. No, I'm not condoning drinking and driving. But after looking at the circumstances in that accident/tragedy, no driver, sober or drunk, would have not been able to avoid hitting that guy IMO.

And Stallworth not only immediately acknowledged responsibility and accountability for what happened; but also great remorse. He says it's something he wakes up to every day, and will for the rest of his life.

Also - the family of the victim did not want a long, drawn out trial, so a settlement was reached.

I understand the circumstances, but the fact remains he WAS drunk and he WAS behind the wheel of a car. Both of those were conscious decisions. Do i have a problem with him being drunk? Nope. Do I have a problem with him getting behind the wheel that way? Absolutely.

If you believe he won't ever drive drunk again, more power to you. I've known to many DUI repeat offenders to believe that. I'd prefer to see drunk drivers never have the chance to do it again. I know it's not the law to permanently revoke his their license, but it should be. There is literally no more preventable crime, and no one has the right to recklessly endanger others for their own pleaseure.

GAC
09-05-2009, 07:16 PM
If you believe he won't ever drive drunk again, more power to you. I've known to many DUI repeat offenders to believe that. I'd prefer to see drunk drivers never have the chance to do it again I know it's not the law to permanently revoke his their license, but it should be.

His license was suspended for life.

reds1869
09-05-2009, 07:26 PM
His license was suspended for life.

Yes, his was. But many are not. If I'm being honest, I can't discuss this topic without getting upset. I think I need to remove myself from this discussion as I have too close of an attachment to stay rational and unemotional.

GAC
09-06-2009, 09:23 AM
Yes, his was. But many are not. If I'm being honest, I can't discuss this topic without getting upset. I think I need to remove myself from this discussion as I have too close of an attachment to stay rational and unemotional.

And I thoroughly respect that. I'm not posting to be divisive or even defend Stallworth's actions. I don't condone drinking and driving. 30 years ago, in my youth, I got a DUI. It woke me up to the reality of the situation, my own careless actions, and that I needed to be more responsible or else face the consequences.

goreds2
03-06-2011, 11:12 AM
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/plaxico_burress_earns_early_release_from_prison/4322945

Plaxico Burress earns early release from prison
14 hours ago

Plaxico Burress went from catching what was ultimately the game winning TD catch in one of the biggest Super Bowl upsets of all time to being sentenced to prison for shooting himself in the leg in a Manhattan nightclub the following November.

10 months later, in September of 2009, Burress began his two year prison sentence which cost him the majority of the new $35 million contract he signed with the New York Giants shortly before the now infamous nightclub incident. The New York Daily News has reported that Burress will shave 3 months off his sentence as he will be "conditionally released" on June 6th.

Burress requested and was denied early release and work release various times, but he is now eligible for conditional release after serving 6/7 of his sentence. Despite missing two full NFL seasons, his agent has indicated that at least two teams are interested in signing him for the upcoming season. Obviously, it's his agent, so you never really know how much truth lies within agent released statements, but I would bet that multiple teams are interested in Burress.

Even though he will be 34 years old and has missed 2 full seasons, he is still 6'5", 235 pounds and he can still make a huge difference in the NFL. While he will undoubtedly only obtain a short term (probably 1 year), heavily incentive laden contract, he will still have multiple teams from which to choose.

George Foster
03-08-2011, 08:01 PM
I would try to sign him on June 7th. He is "hungry" and has something to prove. 2 things you want in a professional. Michael Vick was in the exact same boat as Plaxico is now and that turned out really well for the Philly.