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KoryMac5
08-27-2009, 07:26 PM
Ohio State and company must be licking their chops at the thought of this.


Freshman Barkley named USC's starting QB
By GREG BEACHAM (AP) 2 hours ago

LOS ANGELES Freshman Matt Barkley was named No. 4 Southern California's starting quarterback on Thursday.

With an outstanding performance at training camp, Barkley beat out sophomore Aaron Corp to get the start in the Trojans' season opener against San Jose State at the Coliseum on Sept. 5. Coach Pete Carroll unexpectedly announced his decision several hours before practice and two days before USC's mock game.

"He has exceeded all our expectations," Carroll said in a statement. "He has all the physical ability. He has the mentality and temperament to handle the position. His personality is very well received by all the players, and he's extremely talented. At this point, he's ready to be the guy for us."

Barkley was perhaps the nation's most sought-after football recruit last year at Orange County's Mater Dei High School, the alma mater of fellow USC quarterback Matt Leinart. After choosing the Trojans, Barkley graduated from high school one semester early to participate in spring practice.

Corp, in his third year at USC, was named the Trojans' starter out of spring ball, but Barkley took advantage when Corp missed two weeks of workouts this month after breaking a small bone below his left knee Aug. 10.

Barkley is thought to be the first non-redshirt freshman quarterback to be picked to start a season opener for the Trojans.

"He's the starting quarterback at USC it's not a one-game deal," Carroll said. "He seized the opportunity that was in front of him and took control. He deserves all the credit in the world, and we expect nothing but great things from him."

Barkley also beat out Mitch Mustain, the former Arkansas starter who played eight games as Mark Sanchez's backup last season. Sanchez, now the New York Jets' starting quarterback, left USC with a year of eligibility remaining, a decision that initially bothered Carroll and set off the three-way competition.

LoganBuck
08-27-2009, 09:31 PM
Barkley is a big time talent. If Pete Carroll is willing to hand the keys to the kingdom to him, he must be ready.

KoryMac5
08-27-2009, 10:15 PM
Barkley is a big time talent. If Pete Carroll is willing to hand the keys to the kingdom to him, he must be ready.

Either that or he is willing to have some growing pains this year.

WVRed
08-27-2009, 10:15 PM
Barkley is a big time talent. If Pete Carroll is willing to hand the keys to the kingdom to him, he must be ready.

That's about the way I feel, and as somewhat of a closet USC fan, I am hoping he is successful.

That being said, I would hate to be in his shoes when he walks into Ohio Stadium on gameday.

Highlifeman21
08-28-2009, 12:34 AM
We'll see who starts for USC on Week 2.

Week 1 is just an extended dress rehearsal against San Jose St.

You'll probably see all 3 QBs get plenty of time vs. San Jose St.

BuckeyeRed27
08-28-2009, 12:19 PM
We'll see how this plays out of course, but I don't view this as a good thing for USC. He is going to make mistakes and against good teams like OSU, Cal and Oregon that is going to make it much harder to win. If he starts the entire season I think they probably lose 1 of those 3 and possibly 2.

camisadelgolf
08-28-2009, 12:46 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Carson Palmer the last USC QB to start as a true freshman?

WVRed
08-28-2009, 12:59 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Carson Palmer the last USC QB to start as a true freshman?

Palmer didn't begin the season, but he did start like nine games into the season. He really didn't take off until Norm Chow came to LA.

Highlifeman21
08-28-2009, 01:18 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Carson Palmer the last USC QB to start as a true freshman?

I think they're counting game 1 to open the season.

bucksfan2
08-28-2009, 01:53 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Carson Palmer the last USC QB to start as a true freshman?

Carson was at USC forever. I can't recall if he was a true frosh or a redshirt frosh. I do remember him being an average qb until Chow came and he really took off.

George Foster
08-28-2009, 11:02 PM
Barkley is a big time talent. If Pete Carroll is willing to hand the keys to the kingdom to him, he must be ready.

I wonder if he will make as much as Reggie Bush made while in LA?;)

Ah...the ongoing NCAA investigation....that will never be concluded as long as USC is a cash cow for the NCAA.

NorrisHopper30
08-28-2009, 11:08 PM
USC reloads, not rebuilds. OSU will still not come within 10 points.

Captain Hook
08-29-2009, 01:50 AM
USC is returning 10 starters on offense this year.Barkley will have far less pressure on him to win the game then Terrel Prior will.

I think the Buckeyes compete well but come up short like they did against Texas last year.I'd love to see OSU kill them to get some revenge from last year but I don't see it happening true frosh or not at QB.

LoganBuck
08-30-2009, 12:59 PM
USC is returning 10 starters on offense this year.Barkley will have far less pressure on him to win the game then Terrel Prior will.

I think the Buckeyes compete well but come up short like they did against Texas last year.I'd love to see OSU kill them to get some revenge from last year but I don't see it happening true frosh or not at QB.

I think the game will be close, I won't make a call one way or the other. All I know is that Mike Adams will not be playing at LT, and that could be very ugly, we shall see. I reserve the right to make real predictions, until after I see both teams play next week.

Captain Hook
08-30-2009, 06:30 PM
I think the game will be close, I won't make a call one way or the other. All I know is that Mike Adams will not be playing at LT, and that could be very ugly, we shall see. I reserve the right to make real predictions, until after I see both teams play next week.

I should wait also but OSU plays Navy and USC plays San Jose State.Unless there is a major injury(USC did just loose starting WR Ronald Johnson for 6-8 weeks) neither game will influence my opinion.

11larkin11
08-30-2009, 10:13 PM
I think the game will be close, I won't make a call one way or the other. All I know is that Mike Adams will not be playing at LT, and that could be very ugly, we shall see. I reserve the right to make real predictions, until after I see both teams play next week.

The way Adams has looked so far in his short career, its good he isn't startin. I'd hope Shugarts gets the nod, but its looking like Miller.

cincrazy
09-03-2009, 10:25 AM
I said it in 2004, when Chad Henne came marching into the Shoe with a heavily favored Michigan team, and I'll say it again this year: A true freshman is not coming into the Shoe and beating the Buckeyes in a game of this magnitude. Not happening. I guarantee it.

Scrap Irony
09-03-2009, 12:55 PM
Until Ohio State proves they can beat USC, there's no reason to think a freshman QB will make the difference. It hasn't been close in, like, a decade.

Speed kills all over the field, not just at QB.

And Ohio State is not an overly fast program. Hasn't been since the mid-70's.

That's why OSU is perennially overrated and would be a mid-tier SEC or Big XII program, a la Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee. Tressel and the rest of the Big Ten haven't given up on smash-mouth football, but it just does not win against superior athletes. (For the most part.)

BuckeyeRed27
09-03-2009, 03:50 PM
Until Ohio State proves they can beat USC, there's no reason to think a freshman QB will make the difference. It hasn't been close in, like, a decade.

Speed kills all over the field, not just at QB.

And Ohio State is not an overly fast program. Hasn't been since the mid-70's.

That's why OSU is perennially overrated and would be a mid-tier SEC or Big XII program, a la Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee. Tressel and the rest of the Big Ten haven't given up on smash-mouth football, but it just does not win against superior athletes. (For the most part.)

Well I basically disagree with every thing you just said.

1. OSU has only played USC once in the last decade and your right that wasn't a close game, but it's also a pretty small sample size. QB is the most important position in any sport in terms of team success. USC will still be a good team because the other 10 guys on the field are very good, but saying that starting a freshmen will not make a difference in crazy.

2. Thank you for listening to someone on ESPN on how slow the Big 10 and Ohio State is. However the facts simply don't back this up. OSU has plenty of speed. They haven't lost a game due to lack of speed no matter what you might have heard talking heads on TV say.

3. This topic has been discussed but all things being equal OSU would still be an elite team in the Big 12 or the mighty mighty SEC. Now obviously there is no real way to prove this other than looking at a few random games here and there, but most years OSU vs. Florida, Bama, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma is going to be a coin flip type game and they would dominate teams like Auburn, Ole Miss, Texas Tech, etc. most of the time.

Ok now turn on Mark May to get your rebuttle ready.

Scrap Irony
09-03-2009, 07:10 PM
Losing streak against the SEC: 8 (Last win v. LSU in '88, losses since to 'Bama, Tennessee, Florida, LSU, S. Carolina (twice), Auburn, and Georgia.

That's over the past 20 years. Since 1988.

BuckeyeRed27
09-03-2009, 07:47 PM
Losing streak against the SEC: 8 (Last win v. LSU in '88, losses since to 'Bama, Tennessee, Florida, LSU, S. Carolina (twice), Auburn, and Georgia.

That's over the past 20 years. Since 1988.

I'm not sure exactly the point you are trying to make.
Of OSU's bowl losses to the SEC I believe they were only the favored team twice (maybe 3 times).

Ohio State is 7-2-1 in the regular season against the SEC.

And most importantly none of this has anything to do with USC starting a freshmen QB and how that gives them a better chance to beat Ohio State in Columbus, which is still something that is going to be very difficult.

Scrap Irony
09-03-2009, 08:35 PM
I'm saying OSU would be, at best, a middle-of-the-pack SEC team, akin to Georgia, Auburn, and Tennessee if they played in that league. They're not as good as their ranking year after year because they get cheap wins against weak competition in conference.

And, over the past 20 years, Ohio State hasn't beaten an SEC team at all. 0-8. And the SEC is largely a speed conference. Against Texas (1-2), USC (0-1), Miami (FL) (1-1) and FSU (0-1), tOSU also struggles. What do these teams have in common? Yep. Speed.

OSU doesn't have it like these other teams. Doesn't need it in the regular season (for the most part). Can't beat really good teams without it (for the most part) in BCS bowl games especially.

And, since this is the 20-year history of OSU against very good teams with great speed, I think history is going against the Buckeyes against USC. Against good teams with great speed (nonconference), Ohio State is pretty poor.

Hey, I hope they win. It's not like my favorite college team is good. At all. (That'd be Western Kentucky University.) They'll be lucky to score this week, let alone win. And I like the Buckeyes.

But their history is not good.

(BTW, Ohio State was the betting favorite in half the games against the SEC over the past 20 years, FWIW).

Captain Hook
09-03-2009, 10:03 PM
What do you think NFL scouts think about the speed at Ohio State?

Danny Serafini
09-03-2009, 10:14 PM
Yes, that loss to Auburn on New Year's Day in 1990 is extremely relevant to this year's team.

Caveat Emperor
09-03-2009, 10:18 PM
Ohio State will be the favorite on gameday, but if I were laying money, I wouldn't touch this one with a 30 foot pole.

On one hand, it's a true frosh leading a team that has to cross multiple time zones to play a game (never something that favors the traveling team in college football). On the other hand, USC's defense is always criminally underrated and this year looks to be no different.

I predict a fairly low-scoring affair, but you've got me as to which way it will go. Doesn't matter much, though. Everyone's just playing for the right to lose to Florida in January, IMO.

Captain Hook
09-03-2009, 10:19 PM
Yes, that loss to Auburn on New Year's Day in 1990 is extremely relevant to this year's team.

Actually there are no losses to the SEC that should say anything for the current OSU team.They are very young.I guess they're slow to.:laugh:

Captain Hook
09-03-2009, 10:20 PM
Saying the SEC dominates the Buckeyes is like Tenn. saying they dominate the SEC.It's all history.

Caveat Emperor
09-03-2009, 10:27 PM
Actually there are no losses to the SEC that should say anything for the current OSU team.They are very young.I guess they're slow to.:laugh:

While I agree that the "Ohio State is Slow" storyline has become more legend than reality, there's at least kernel of truth to it.

The team might have players who are fast on the stopwatch, but they play a slow brand of football -- especially when compared to offenses like Florida. Where Ohio State will be content to hand the ball to Beanie Wells on an off-tackle or throw the bomb to Ted Ginn Jr., a team like Florida will scheme and run "gadget" type plays to create opportunities to get the ball to their playmakers in space. I don't follow either team religiously, this is just what I've noticed from watching about 3 or 4 games of each over the last couple seasons.

That's just my take on it.

cincrazy
09-03-2009, 10:54 PM
Until Ohio State proves they can beat USC, there's no reason to think a freshman QB will make the difference. It hasn't been close in, like, a decade.

Speed kills all over the field, not just at QB.

And Ohio State is not an overly fast program. Hasn't been since the mid-70's.

That's why OSU is perennially overrated and would be a mid-tier SEC or Big XII program, a la Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee. Tressel and the rest of the Big Ten haven't given up on smash-mouth football, but it just does not win against superior athletes. (For the most part.)

Oh come on now, seriously? How did they do against Miami in 2003? Maybe the fastest college football team of all time, and OSU certainly had no problem keeping up with them.

Captain Hook
09-03-2009, 10:55 PM
While I agree that the "Ohio State is Slow" storyline has become more legend than reality, there's at least kernel of truth to it.

The team might have players who are fast on the stopwatch, but they play a slow brand of football -- especially when compared to offenses like Florida. Where Ohio State will be content to hand the ball to Beanie Wells on an off-tackle or throw the bomb to Ted Ginn Jr., a team like Florida will scheme and run "gadget" type plays to create opportunities to get the ball to their playmakers in space. I don't follow either team religiously, this is just what I've noticed from watching about 3 or 4 games of each over the last couple seasons.

That's just my take on it.

While teams like USC and Florida ,that have beat up on the Bucks looked and possibly were faster it doesn't mean OSU was slow.If your saying that those team did a better job of utilizing the speed they had then I couldn't agree more.I'm just saying that Ohio State is not slow.If there was a top 25 based on speed alone the the Bucks would be top 10 every single year.I remember reading something before Fla. destroyed the Bucks and it basically listed the 40 times for every position for both teams and overwhelmingly OSU was faster.I admit that they often fail to take advantage of it though.

traderumor
09-04-2009, 11:21 AM
The best answer I've seen to this yet is that what has happened in the past is completely irrelevant, esp. in college football. And this year, Ohio State will have a new offensive scheme to exploit Prior's overall game. So, what that has to do with when Craig Krenzel or Troy Smith was QB, I have no idea. This year, who knows how tOSU will match up. The team is full of youth and new faces. I'm not even sure they deserve their #6 ranking, but then I don't know that USC deserves #4. Preseason rankings are about as relevant as WEB TV.