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Tom Servo
08-28-2009, 04:06 PM
According to MLB.com's Lyle Spencer, the Angels are about to land Scott Kazmir from the Rays for two prospects.


Update:
The Rays will get pitcher Alexander Torres and third baseman Matthew Sweeney in return in the deal, which is expected to be announced later today.

Kazmir is 8-7 this season with a 5.92 ERA in 20 starts for the Rays.

TheNext44
08-28-2009, 04:09 PM
According to MLB.com's Lyle Spencer, the Angels are about to land Scott Kazmir from the Rays for two prospects.

Maybe the Reds can trade the Rays the rights to Chris Gruler to fill his spot in the rotation. :cool:

Bumstead
08-28-2009, 04:12 PM
Matt Sweeney and Alexander Torres according to mlbtraderumors.com.

OnBaseMachine
08-28-2009, 04:16 PM
Great trade for the Angels, IMO. I'd love to have Kazmir in the Reds rotation.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 04:22 PM
All reports suggest that a trade is close but hasn't happened yet.

edabbs44
08-28-2009, 04:35 PM
Great trade for the Angels, IMO. I'd love to have Kazmir in the Reds rotation.

A lot of money for a guy who has had a mysteriously bad season.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 04:50 PM
Wow, if this does go through, Will Carroll thinks Kaz will work out of the pen for the Angels.
http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/3610697559

bucksfan2
08-28-2009, 04:52 PM
Awful early on in his career to trade a young pitcher of Kaz's ilk. That is unless there is something wrong with him????

dougdirt
08-28-2009, 04:53 PM
Awful early on in his career to trade a young pitcher of Kaz's ilk. That is unless there is something wrong with him????

When has Kazmir made it though a season where there wasn't a concern that something wasn't wrong with him?

Benihana
08-28-2009, 05:22 PM
Kazmir has been a catastrophic surgery waiting to happen for a while. The fact that he has been considered that for a while without actually having the surgery makes him a more intriguing case.

Regardless, given Kazmir's results this year and his attached salary, I think this deal shows that a guy like Arroyo is in fact tradeable- especially if it's for a playoff push this year.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 05:25 PM
One thing this may mean is that the Rays will probably be more likely to keep keep Carl Crawford around for another year.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 05:26 PM
Angels Close To Acquiring Scott Kazmir? By Ben Nicholson-Smith [August 28 at 4:23pm CST]

4:23pm: The original report from MLB.com's Lyle Spencer has been changed, and now says that the proposed deal has fallen through.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 05:36 PM
4:33pm: Joel Sherman of The NY Post hears from a source that the deal is done, and Kazmir is "definitely going to the Angels."
Sigh, sounds like the teams could be haggling about the return to the Rays.

Spitball
08-28-2009, 05:53 PM
I saw Alexander Torres pitch earlier this month, and he reminded me of Kazmir. He isn't very big, throws left handed, and throws pretty hard. He was impressive, but the Angels have a young left handed pitcher named Trevor Reckling who is more impressive.

TheNext44
08-28-2009, 05:56 PM
http://twitter.com/nyp_joelsherman/statuses/3611814744


The Rays are getting minor leaguers and no money is changing hands, so #Angels pick up the whole contract23 minutes ago from web
nyp_joelsherman
Joel Sherman

Gives hope that maybe some team will take Arroyo or Harang. No prospects, just take the contract.

Spring~Fields
08-28-2009, 06:04 PM
http://twitter.com/nyp_joelsherman/statuses/3611814744


Gives hope that maybe some team will take Arroyo or Harang. No prospects, just take the contract.

I thought that Harang and Arroyo would look so good in Los Angeles uniforms. So much for optimism, I guess the Reds are going for it again next year with just half a tank of talent. ;)

Brutus
08-28-2009, 06:06 PM
I thought that Harang and Arroyo would look so good in Los Angeles uniforms. So much for optimism, I guess the Reds are going for it again next year with just half a tank of talent. ;)

I wonder if the Angels might use Kazmir as a closer. Just thinking out loud.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 06:09 PM
Doesn't make sense to me with the state of their rotation but, as I said before, you're not the only one that thinks that's how he'll be used:
http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/3610697559

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 06:28 PM
A lot of money for a guy who has had a mysteriously bad season.
Compare him to Harden. Both have ace potential. Both are unreliable health-wise. Both made about the same this year.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:30 PM
They just announced on Baseball Tonight that this deal has gone through but they didn't say which prospects are heading to Tampa.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:33 PM
Yep, last I checked it was the aforementioned 2 prospects and a ptbn.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 11:04 PM
9:31pm: The deal was as expected, according to Bill Shaikin of The LA Times. The Angels get Kazmir in exchange for minor leaguers Torres and Sweeney, plus a PTBNL. The 25-yr old Kazmir is under contract for two more seasons, plus a team option for 2012. With 144 career starts under his belt, the southpaw has put up an impressive 3.92 ERA and 9.8 K/9 while honing his craft in the AL East, and he even has World Series experience.
Apparently no money is being included in the deal. Kaz will be in an easier division with some easier, pitching friendly, parks (Seattle/Oakland).

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-29-2009, 12:10 AM
http://twitter.com/nyp_joelsherman/statuses/3611814744


Gives hope that maybe some team will take Arroyo or Harang. No prospects, just take the contract.

Harang is going nowhere. He is on the DL and won't pitch again this season. His next start will be Opening Day 2010 in Cincinnati, where he will be rewarded for (again) being the supposed best pitcher on the Reds. :rolleyes:

NDRed
08-29-2009, 02:41 AM
Gives hope that maybe some team will take Arroyo or Harang. No prospects, just take the contract.[/QUOTE]

That would be devestating to the Reds. We could give away Arroyo or Harang- contending GM's would be all over this. Who do you propose we replace them with? 11-13 million for that production (over the term of the contract) is not overpaid.

redsfandan
08-29-2009, 02:56 AM
It would be devastating to the Reds to deal them? Doubt it. It's not like those guys are a part of the future for the Reds. To me, it's just a matter of time until one of them is dealt.

JaxRed
08-29-2009, 10:46 AM
Very nice trade for the Rays. If you're a smart Rays fan it gives you hope that they've figured out how too stay competitive long term. Get a cheap young player, keep him while his salary is reasonable and then spin him off getting prospects.

The stats/age on the 2 guys they named look nice, and they act like the PTBNL might be even better.

RedEye
08-29-2009, 11:49 AM
I love the audacity of this deal--on both sides. I think you could make the argument that both teams were smart here.

RedsManRick
08-29-2009, 12:24 PM
A classic win for both teams.

Spitball
08-29-2009, 01:21 PM
A classic win for both teams.

To me, it seems like a classic big time gamble for both teams. If Kazmir remains a 6.00 ERA pitcher or blows out his arm, the Angels blew it.

But it is the Rays I really wonder about. They are ten months removed from the World Series after years of total frustration. If I'm a Ray's fan, I don't like the idea of rebuilding with prospects that are at least a couple of years away. And why a young third baseman? Is there a clock ticking on Longoria?

The Rays probably made a wise move for their future, but I hate to see any team 3 1/2 games out of a playoff spot trade away one of the faces of their franchise.

Highlifeman21
08-29-2009, 01:52 PM
To me, it seems like a classic big time gamble for both teams. If Kazmir remains a 6.00 ERA pitcher or blows out his arm, the Angels blew it.

But it is the Rays I really wonder about. They are ten months removed from the World Series after years of total frustration. If I'm a Ray's fan, I don't like the idea of rebuilding with prospects that are at least a couple of years away. And why a young third baseman? Is there a clock ticking on Longoria?

The Rays probably made a wise move for their future, but I hate to see any team 3 1/2 games out of a playoff spot trade away one of the faces of their franchise.

They'll probably let Carlos Pena walk, so maybe Longoria could end up @ 1B in the future.

OnBaseMachine
08-29-2009, 02:21 PM
They'll probably let Carlos Pena walk, so maybe Longoria could end up @ 1B in the future.

Highly doubtful considering Longoria is one of the top two or three defensive third basemen in the game.

redsfandan
08-29-2009, 04:25 PM
I've read speculation the ptbnl is Jordan Walden. Apparently reported by an Angels blog.

redsfandan
08-29-2009, 06:18 PM
Here's a pretty good take on how this affects Kazmir. The 1st paragraph points out that Tampa's stadium actually helped him more than Anaheims will. The 4th paragraph addresses his slider/fastball.

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/kazmir-as-an-angel/

jojo
09-02-2009, 01:19 PM
Has anyone's thoughts on this trade changed now that we know (http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090901&content_id=6733336&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana) Sean Rodriguez (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/R/Sean-Rodriguez.shtml)was the PTBNL?

I think the Rays made themselves a nifty little trade here that is hard to fault.

blumj
09-02-2009, 02:41 PM
Has anyone's thoughts on this trade changed now that we know (http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090901&content_id=6733336&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana) Sean Rodriguez (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/R/Sean-Rodriguez.shtml)was the PTBNL?

I think the Rays made themselves a nifty little trade here that is hard to fault.

Seems like a good deal for the Rays, as usual, but I still have the same questions no matter what the return. Did it cost them a better chance to make the playoffs this year, and could they have gotten close to similar value for Kazmir after the season?

OnBaseMachine
09-02-2009, 03:19 PM
I think it's a good trade for both teams.

WebScorpion
09-02-2009, 11:51 PM
Has anyone's thoughts on this trade changed now that we know (http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090901&content_id=6733336&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana) Sean Rodriguez (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/R/Sean-Rodriguez.shtml)was the PTBNL?

I think the Rays made themselves a nifty little trade here that is hard to fault.

That's the guy I wanted the Reds to grab for SS. WAH! :(

Brutus
09-02-2009, 11:53 PM
Has anyone's thoughts on this trade changed now that we know (http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090901&content_id=6733336&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana) Sean Rodriguez (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/R/Sean-Rodriguez.shtml)was the PTBNL?

I think the Rays made themselves a nifty little trade here that is hard to fault.

It definitely takes my opinion of the trade as being lukewarm from the Ray's P.O.V. to being quite impressed. I think it's good for the Angels short term, but was somewhat good for the Rays as I think Kazmir is going to have some continued injury problems. But that's a solid return on a guy that was a high risk. Still, also a good move for the Angels.

I think both teams win.

Spitball
09-05-2009, 09:33 PM
Has anyone's thoughts on this trade changed now that we know (http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090901&content_id=6733336&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana) Sean Rodriguez (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/R/Sean-Rodriguez.shtml)was the PTBNL?

I think the Rays made themselves a nifty little trade here that is hard to fault.

I was at the Angels' double A game in Little Rock earlier this week when I heard the PTBNL was Rodriguez. I was pretty shocked! The Angel people had projected the guy as a utility infielder. I don't understand why the Rays couldn't have commanded better and "closer to ready" prospects for a Kazmir. Why not demand Trevor Reckling in the package. Though younger than Torres, he is much closer to ready and much better. Or why not Brandon Wood instead of Rodriguez or Sweeney? Again better and closer to ready.

HeatherC1212
09-05-2009, 11:17 PM
Kazmir has done well against both the RS and Yankees this year so I think that's part of the reason the Angels wanted him. They know they may have to go through one or both of those teams in the post season and having a pitcher who has a good record against them gives them a huge boost. I hope it works out for both the Angels and the Rays. :)

jojo
09-06-2009, 08:31 AM
I was at the Angels' double A game in Little Rock earlier this week when I heard the PTBNL was Rodriguez. I was pretty shocked! The Angel people had projected the guy as a utility infielder. I don't understand why the Rays couldn't have commanded better and "closer to ready" prospects for a Kazmir. Why not demand Trevor Reckling in the package. Though younger than Torres, he is much closer to ready and much better. Or why not Brandon Wood instead of Rodriguez or Sweeney? Again better and closer to ready.

Kazmir is owed a lot of money and really is a huge risk to be worth it.

Spitball
09-07-2009, 08:46 PM
Kazmir is owed a lot of money and really is a huge risk to be worth it.

I not saying I don't see the logic in dumping Kazmir's contract. He is owed a lot of money...but the return and the timing bother me. A twenty-five year old quality pitcher, two years removed from 239 strikeouts, should command a better, closer to ready return.

The Angels gave up some decent prospects, but before this year's production, really only Sweeney, the least developed, would have appeared on anyone's top ten radar. Rodriguez had a great season at triple A, but is he really that good?. He has not put up numbers like that before and is certainly not a shortstop. Torres has pitched a handful of good games as high as double A, but he has the slight stature of a middle infielder. Lincecum aside, why are so few starting pitchers so small? He moved up the Angels' prospect ladder this summer but wasn't talked about much in top prospect status before he put up really good numbers at single A (handful at double A) this summer.

In my opinion, the Rays "woke up" and found themselves in a state of desperation. Kazmir had an ERA near 6.00 and $20 million due. They felt they had to dump the guy and his salary in a hurry. Because of the panic, their timing was bad. They ended up dumping Kazmir at his lowest market value.