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Red in Chicago
08-28-2009, 07:00 PM
Dodgers
R. Furcal ss
M. Kemp cf
A. Ethier rf
M. Ramirez lf
C. Blake 3b
J. Loney 1b
R. Martin c
O. Hudson 2b
C. Billingsley p

Reds
D. Stubbs cf
P. Janish ss
J. Votto 1b
B. Phillips 2b
S. Rolen 3b
W. Balentien rf
J. Gomes lf
C. Miller c
H. Bailey p

Spring~Fields
08-28-2009, 07:44 PM
I was curious what the Dodgers had by the numbers, so I will just post them.



Dodgers Reds
OBP SLG OPS OBP SLG OPS
R. Furcal ss .320 .344 .663 D. Stubbs cf .231 .324 .555
M. Kemp cf .371 .505 .876 P. Janish ss .302 .284 .586
A. Ethier rf .372 .539 .911 J. Votto 1b .400 .549 .949
M. Ramirez lf .427 .542 .970 B. Phillips 2b .316 .437 .752
C. Blake 3b .357 .471 .828 S. Rolen 3b .351 .424 .776
J. Loney 1b .349 .387 .735 W. Balentien rf .356 .353 .709
R. Martin c .359 .324 .683 J. Gomes lf .361 .563 .923
O. Hudson 2b .358 .423 .781 C. Miller c 8 AB .444 .375 .819
C. Billingsley p .260 .319 .579 H. Bailey p .048 .048 .095

HokieRed
08-28-2009, 08:15 PM
How'd Kemp get on?

WVRedsFan
08-28-2009, 08:18 PM
Kemp got a fluke base hit in no man's land between first base and right field.

kaldaniels
08-28-2009, 08:20 PM
Nice inning by Homer. I'd like his attitude to be "I've got good stuff, I'm going to pitch to contact, if the guy gets a hit, so what....I'll get the next guy". I hate seeing him run up his pitch count.

HokieRed
08-28-2009, 08:21 PM
Thanks, Gameday said Kemp got a hit on a pop-up to Votto. I figured it had to be something like you described.

HokieRed
08-28-2009, 08:22 PM
Nice inning by Homer. I'd like his attitude to be "I've got good stuff, I'm going to pitch to contact, if the guy gets a hit, so what....I'll get the next guy". I hate seeing him run up his pitch count.

Agree. Maybe I'm just imagining things but I saw a little more of this attitude in his body language against Pittsburgh.

dougdirt
08-28-2009, 08:26 PM
Thanks, Gameday said Kemp got a hit on a pop-up to Votto. I figured it had to be something like you described.

It landed maybe 3 feet out of the reach of Votto, probably 10-15 feet out of the infield directly on the line.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 08:30 PM
Really glad the Reds didn't trade Bailey.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 08:31 PM
Nice catch by Gomes, scoreless after 1 and a half.

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 08:36 PM
Joe Torre is a "great handler of men"....:rolleyes:

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 08:39 PM
Happy Friday everyone! *waves* :D

I have a very important question that I think only I can ask tonight....DID JOEY VOTTO SHAVE HIS HEAD??!? I can tell he got a haircut but I think it's all gone. Not that this is bad but I don't remember him ever doing that before and it caught me by surprise, LOL :eek: :laugh:

Carry on with the other stuff.....;)

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 08:40 PM
RBI single by Mr. Gomes

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 08:41 PM
Woo hoo, Johnny gets a hit and the Reds get the first run! :D

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 08:42 PM
Wow...the praise for Corky makes me think he is the second coming of JB...

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 08:44 PM
Gomes thrown out at second...

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 08:45 PM
Time to get rid of the Geico cavemen...

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 08:49 PM
Those commercials drive me CRAZY. :bang:

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 08:51 PM
I miss the "Farmers Only" commercials...

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 08:51 PM
Going to the bottom of 2...

Red in Chicago
08-28-2009, 08:51 PM
quiet night with several zoners at the game tonight...

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 08:52 PM
bottom of 3...sorry

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 08:53 PM
didnt the zoners in attendance take their i phones or blackberrys to keep in touch?

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 08:54 PM
Have to love how Bailey has done so far tonight.

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 08:55 PM
yes, I was impressed in Pittsburgh on Sunday and so far tonite....

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 08:58 PM
Stubby knocks in Corky

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 08:58 PM
Homer has looked great and how about the timely hitting so far?! Reds up 2-0. I wish I had gone to the game but I'm happy there's a few others here in the game thread tonight! :D

Red in Chicago
08-28-2009, 08:59 PM
corky needs some oxygen

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 08:59 PM
im glad i didnt go....love watching it in HD...

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 09:00 PM
sorry Sutton knocks in Corky

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:00 PM
Man, Janish gave that one a ride!

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:00 PM
sorry Sutton knocks in Corky

No, that was Stubbs. Sutton is on the bench. :)

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 09:00 PM
Stubbs steals second

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 09:01 PM
ugh...sorry...I cant keep my Drews straight

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:01 PM
JOEY!!!!!!!!! Reds up 3-0!! :D

That's okay. Don't worry too much about it!

Not liking Joey with no hair but if he keeps hitting like that he can be bald, LMAO :laugh:

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 09:01 PM
Votto with a ribbie....

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 09:02 PM
sorry O Dog...no catch

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:03 PM
That poor lady got a beer dumped on her during that play! Whoops, LOL :laugh:

redsfan1966
08-28-2009, 09:03 PM
BEER HERE

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 09:06 PM
Homer has looked great and how about the timely hitting so far?! Reds up 2-0. I wish I had gone to the game but I'm happy there's a few others here in the game thread tonight! :D
24 runs scored over the last 4 games resulting in 4 straight wins and now 3 runs tonight through the first 3 innings. Who expected this from these lineups? Not me.

Brutus
08-28-2009, 09:10 PM
24 runs scored over the last 4 games resulting in 4 straight wins and now 3 runs tonight through the first 3 innings. Who expected this from these lineups? Not me.

I look at it like this:

I didn't think they were as bad as they were playing for a while. Nor do I think they're quite as good as they're playing now.

I do, believe it or not, like the lineup with Nix or Balentien, Gomes, Stubbs, and then an infield of Votto, Phillips, Janish, Rolen and (preferably) Hanigan. It's not a team that will pound pitchers into submission, but I think there's a little bit of upside there.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:10 PM
24 runs scored over the last 4 games resulting in 4 straight wins and now 3 runs tonight through the first 3 innings. Who expected this from these lineups? Not me.

No kidding! Not that long ago this team couldn't hit it's way out of a wet paper bag and now they're finding ways to get things done. We lose those two extra inning games even just two weeks ago but they pulled off wins earlier this week. I'm not calling them champions of the world or anything yet but it's nice to see the fire and the hits coming from them this week. :beerme:

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:11 PM
I look at it like this:

I didn't think they were as bad as they were playing for a while. Nor do I think they're quite as good as they're playing now.

I do, believe it or not, like the lineup with Nix or Balentien, Gomes, Stubbs, and then an infield of Votto, Phillips, Janish, Rolen and (preferably) Hanigan. It's not a team that will pound pitchers into submission, but I think there's a little bit of upside there.

I agree. This team is different just with Rolen in there but with the other guys coming around, it helps even more and it's been fun to watch this week. :thumbup:

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:13 PM
Wow, the crowd is really giving it to Manny tonight. Good for them. ;)

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 09:18 PM
I look at it like this:

I didn't think they were as bad as they were playing for a while. Nor do I think they're quite as good as they're playing now.

I do, believe it or not, like the lineup with Nix or Balentien, Gomes, Stubbs, and then an infield of Votto, Phillips, Janish, Rolen and (preferably) Hanigan. It's not a team that will pound pitchers into submission, but I think there's a little bit of upside there.
Yeah, I don't think this lineup would be expected to score that many (on a regular basis) either but they've been productive. Another thing I like is, other than Rolen & Phillips, this is a very cheap lineup.

lollipopcurve
08-28-2009, 09:19 PM
Homer with 2 ks with the splitter tonight. Best that pitch has looked so far, in my opinion.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 09:21 PM
Homer doing work tonight. He just needs innings against MLB hitters.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:22 PM
Really nice of the Reds to bring some free stuff to that lady who got the beer dumped on her. :)

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:23 PM
Wow, nearly a homer by Corky! :eek:

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:35 PM
Another nice inning by Homer. :)

Brutus
08-28-2009, 09:36 PM
Considering the competition, this (at least through four innings) has been Homer's best start this season.

mth123
08-28-2009, 09:37 PM
Stubbs pops up, Notably on the first pitch.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 09:39 PM
Only 3 hits, NO walks, and 4 k's in 5 ip so far. I'm impressed. (42 of 63 pitches for strikes too :thumbup: )

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:42 PM
OK, that was hilarious! The ball just died in the grass, LOL :laugh:

Brutus
08-28-2009, 09:43 PM
The Reds sure are making Billingsley work.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:44 PM
Bases loaded! :)

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 09:48 PM
The Reds sure are making Billingsley work.
Billingsley after 5 ip: 97 pitches, 3 runs scored
Bailey after 5 ip: 63 pitches, 0 runs scored

Could the winning streak continue?

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 09:48 PM
Would have been nice to get some two out luck with the bases juiced. Let Billingsly off the hook there.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:53 PM
Would really like a double play here.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 09:55 PM
2 on no outs as Homer battles Ethier.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:56 PM
Nice K of Ethier there! :)

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 09:56 PM
Big strikeout there

HokieRed
08-28-2009, 09:56 PM
Big pitch there. Come on kid.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 09:57 PM
Now let's see Manny get injured.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:57 PM
Those guys screaming right now are SO obnoxious. :eek:

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 09:58 PM
Homer gets the K, Manny up with 2 on 1 out.

kaldaniels
08-28-2009, 09:58 PM
Alright, which RZer is heckling Manny with the Whoopi Goldberg chant?

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 09:58 PM
Way to get Manny out there Homer! One more to go. :D

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 09:59 PM
Very nice. If Homer can escape THIS...color me impressed.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:00 PM
Alright, which RZer is heckling Manny with the Whoopi Goldberg chant?
GAC? He's always seemed like a Whoopi fan. Bet he watches the View everyday.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 10:01 PM
Another big out, can't let up now Homer.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:01 PM
GO HOMER. Tough inning and he gets out of it. :)

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:01 PM
That's some maturation right there. The kid's growing up right before our eyes. I like it.

kaldaniels
08-28-2009, 10:02 PM
That's how you do it Homer. Don't give in. Go right at 'em.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 10:03 PM
Great location on that last pitch to Blake by Homer.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:03 PM
88 pitches after 6. Two more innings too much?

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:05 PM
Gomes!!! :jump:

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:05 PM
Hell yeah!! Homer by Jonny.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:05 PM
At least one more inning for Homer but it will depend on how that one goes if he comes back for one more after that one.

JONNY!!!!! :jump:

Kc61
08-28-2009, 10:06 PM
Gomes hits like a major leaguer.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:06 PM
88 pitches after 6. Two more innings too much?

Every pitcher is different. With the smooth way he's throwing tonight, he can go 120 quite easily IMO.

Brutus
08-28-2009, 10:06 PM
Sometimes, I feel like I'm out on the limb by myself on Gomes. Granted, perhaps that limb can't even support my weight let alone the weight of others. But still, I'm very outspoken about him. He just keeps getting it done. Getting it done. Getting it done. I wonder when it will become deserving of a starting job next year.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 10:07 PM
I'd give Homer one more inning and that's it.

He probably can go the whole game, he has an easy delivery, but he's just too young to push him too much.

Hope the Reds open the lead so there will be less incentive to keep him out there.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:07 PM
I'm hoping Bailey can start the 8th. Play it by ear after that.

Gomes now has 16 homers in less than 200 ab on the season.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 10:07 PM
Gomes eyes are totally locked in on the baseball right now.

TeamBoone
08-28-2009, 10:07 PM
Well said, Brutus.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 10:09 PM
If Gomes can finish the year at .270 with 21/22hrs than I think you need to think about giving him every opportunity to win the LF job next season.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:10 PM
I agree Gomes is underrated by some but I don't think anyone expected he'd be this productive.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:10 PM
Hey, Homer gets a hit! :D

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:11 PM
Micah in to pinch hit....oops, sorry. My bad. Rocket shot by Homer! :O)

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:11 PM
I like Gomes a lot and if he keeps producing like he has this year, then he deserves a chance to see if he can be part of this team next year. He's a good energy guy in the clubhouse too from what all I've heard about him. :)

Brutus
08-28-2009, 10:12 PM
If Gomes can finish the year at .270 with 21/22hrs than I think you need to think about giving him every opportunity to win the LF job next season.

I would hope.

His current line, up to date with about 218 PA's (well over 2/3rds of which are against RHP):

.292 16-40
.369 / .585 / .954

I mean this guy just keeps going at it.

Doc. Scott
08-28-2009, 10:12 PM
Ouch. Stubbs watches three straight fastballs. That's exactly what Dusty was annoyed about.

Brutus
08-28-2009, 10:14 PM
I agree Gomes is underrated by some but I don't think anyone expected he'd be this productive.

Nor should anyone have expected this much. That is true.

But he is 28 years old. He has lots of power and the ability to take pitches and draw walks. That kind of player has been known to take his game to another level at this age. I tend to to think we're seeing that with him.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 10:15 PM
I would hope.

His current line, up to date with about 218 PA's (well over 2/3rds of which are against RHP):

.292 16-40
.369 / .585 / .954

I mean this guy just keeps going at it.

He's an intelligent power hitter. That time, he aimed just for the right field stands, the easiest home run area. His defense has improved a lot too. Making it tougher for the Reds to dump him or nontender him.

With this offense, it's hard to give up a talented hitter.

Nice play Phillips.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 10:16 PM
Ouch. Stubbs watches three straight fastballs. That's exactly what Dusty was annoyed about.

He doesn't seem to have a great plan at the plate tonight.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:16 PM
I would hope.

His current line, up to date with about 218 PA's (well over 2/3rds of which are against RHP):

.292 16-40
.369 / .585 / .954

I mean this guy just keeps going at it.
Not counting '03/'04 (only 29 abs combined) this is his year by year ops:
'05 .906
'06 .757
'07 .782
'08 .666
'09 .923

Two really good seasons and not much inbetween.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 10:18 PM
Two out and one on in the seventh. Bailey with the lead is throwing strikes and keeping his pitch count reasonable.

Very impressive outing. Homer is a lock for the rotation next year. With Cueto, Volquez, and Leake eventually, maybe Wood, the Reds have some young starters to brag about.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:19 PM
Stubbs has got him some wheels, I'll give him that.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 10:19 PM
Stubbs with a nice play to end the inning.

Bailey fell behind 3-0 then threw two pitches in the zone and got out of the inning with a good defensive centerfielder.

Very encouraging game, this one.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:20 PM
He doesn't seem to have a great plan at the plate tonight.

He did get a hit and score a run though so he must be figuring a few things out. He's still learning on the job and he actually has a five game hitting streak going right now, believe it or not! :)

Good inning by Homer. I bring him out for the 8th. :)

Tony Cloninger
08-28-2009, 10:20 PM
What do you people think Stubbs is looking for? I mean you get fooled once maybe on a fastball down the middle...after that? I mean there it is....coming at you, what is he looking for.

Brutus
08-28-2009, 10:21 PM
Not counting '03/'04 (only 29 abs combined) this is his year by year ops:
'05 .906
'06 .757
'07 .782
'08 .666
'09 .923

Two really good seasons and not much inbetween.

Well, 2008 was an aberration as he was injured all year (could barely lift his shoulder). 2006 and 2007 were certainly nothing to write home about, but they were still above-average seasons offensively. For this team, even a 780 OPS is admirable (ha ha).

Seriously though, his OPS+ in that time period is over 115. So his numbers are still solid even then. Consider he's hitting at a park, where clearly he feels comfortable in, and add in his age, and I think it's not unreasonable to think this is not too much a fluke.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 10:21 PM
Homer is pitching a shutout, he'll probably stay in the game, but I hope they don't push him too far.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:21 PM
Not counting '03/'04 (only 29 abs combined) this is his year by year ops:
'05 .906
'06 .757
'07 .782
'08 .666
'09 .923

Two really good seasons and not much inbetween.

Didn't he have some injuries in there though? Or am I confusing Gomes history with Nix's history which is entirely possible.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:21 PM
I wonder how the Bailey bashers will spin this game. Luck? LA was fatigued from the flight?

HokieRed
08-28-2009, 10:22 PM
What do you people think Stubbs is looking for? I mean you get fooled once maybe on a fastball down the middle...after that? I mean there it is....coming at you, what is he looking for.

He may be looking offspeed. Throwing one after another fastballs can be deceptive.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 10:23 PM
What do you people think Stubbs is looking for? I mean you get fooled once maybe on a fastball down the middle...after that? I mean there it is....coming at you, what is he looking for.

Stubbs' best attribute right now, offensively, is his patience. Sometimes that will result in called third strikes. It's ok. He's a very impressive young centerfielder if you ask me. His defense is special out there and he contributes offensively. With time, he'll improve.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:23 PM
I don't understand this infield that the Dodgers are using with Votto. Has Joey shown that much of an indication to pull the ball? From what I've seen, he uses the whole field. Just strikes me as odd.

Well, the K makes it a moot point. But still....

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 10:25 PM
With Stubbs it could also be the change in coaching from what Louisville wanted him to do to what the Reds want him to do at the plate.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:25 PM
Brandon with a single, but is nailed trying to swipe second. Durnit.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:26 PM
Well, 2008 was an aberration as he was injured all year (could barely lift his shoulder). 2006 and 2007 were certainly nothing to write home about, but they were still above-average seasons offensively. For this team, even a 780 OPS is admirable (ha ha).

Seriously though, his OPS+ in that time period is over 115. So his numbers are still solid even then. Consider he's hitting at a park, where clearly he feels comfortable in, and add in his age, and I think it's not unreasonable to think this is not too much a fluke.
I'll give you '08 cuz he was injured but that still leaves '06/'07. His OPS+ over his career is skewed from the really good seasons. Could he have a legit .850+ OPS next year? Sure he can but it's not a lock. We'll have a bunch of outfielder options next year (even if Taveras is gone) so it should be interesting how the outfield sorts itself out.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 10:28 PM
Phillips has not been very effecient on the basepaths this season. Seems like he is guessing a lot.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 10:29 PM
Manny's act has to be growing old on his teammates.

Red in Chicago
08-28-2009, 10:29 PM
Brandon, 20 out of 29 on stolen bases, which is not very good.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:29 PM
Text-book bunt single by Furcal. No chance for Votto.

BCubb2003
08-28-2009, 10:30 PM
Brantley on Furcal: "With his kind of speed he could walk down there."

Doc. Scott
08-28-2009, 10:30 PM
Brandon, 20 out of 29 on stolen bases, which is not very good.

23 out of 33 last year, pretty much the same.

HokieRed
08-28-2009, 10:31 PM
Reminds me of that fateful game against St. Louis. I would not have sent Bailey out there.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:31 PM
Phillips has not been very effecient on the basepaths this season. Seems like he is guessing a lot.
Last season he had 23 steals in 33 attempts. This season 20 in 29. I'd love it if he had 32 steals in 40 attempts like he did in '07 but I'm not sure we should expect that.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:32 PM
Wow. 98 MPH in the 8th inning. Remember all the complaining about Homer's lack of velocity last year and earlier this year? I think he's put THAT complaint to bed.

Red in Chicago
08-28-2009, 10:32 PM
23 out of 33 last year, pretty much the same.

yeah, i know...yet, in '07 he was at 80%. what happened to his sticks;)

Tony Cloninger
08-28-2009, 10:32 PM
Well if Drew keeps taking stuff.....you know Dusty will make him swing more early and often.... which will not help and will bring the wrath of redszone upon him.

These 2 announcers for lA on Channel 9 are really annoying...just to let all those people not in CA know.

RED VAN HOT
08-28-2009, 10:32 PM
Sorry if this is posted elsewhere, but ESPN shows Maloney starting tomorrow. I haven't seen any roster moves. I'm guessing he comes up for one start then back to Bats.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/schedule?team=cin

Brutus
08-28-2009, 10:33 PM
I'll give you '08 cuz he was injured but that still leaves '06/'07. His OPS+ over that time period is skewed from the really good seasons. Could he have a legit .850+ OPS next year? Sure he can but it's not a lock. We'll have a bunch of outfielder options next year (even if Taveras is gone) so it should be interesting how the outfield sorts itself out.

Well, if we agree on the one injured seasons, that means he's had two really good seasons and two that were only slightly above average. If we were talking about two really good seasons in a sample of 6-8 years, I would 100% completely take this with a grain of salt. But this is 50% of his healthy years he's had really good production. To me, if nothing else, while it does not prove his talent level is what we're witnessing, it also does not disprove it, either.

Looking at his 2006 numbers, which were 30 OPS points lower than 2007, he really had the same peripherals. Despite posting a league-average LD%, his BABIP was an unlucky .256 - which shaved some 20 points off his BA, OBP, SLG (and by association), 40 points off his OPS.

So even in 2006, it could be argued that he should have been at a 780-800 OPS if not for a little bit of rough luck.

I don't often go this strongly to bat for a player like him. But he's someone I really identify as being legit.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:34 PM
Homer's first walk of the game. I think that'll do it.


Masset's last time seeing Manny...GS on first pitch.
Maybe Dusty remembers that...he leaves Homer in for Manny.

Not sure I agree with this, but hopefully Dusty's right.

Red in Chicago
08-28-2009, 10:34 PM
whoopi's up:p:

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:34 PM
Sorry if this is posted elsewhere, but ESPN shows Maloney starting tomorrow. I haven't seen any roster moves. I'm guessing he comes up for one start then back to Bats.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/schedule?team=cin
What happened to Owings?

Doc. Scott
08-28-2009, 10:35 PM
Bailey smokes Manny inside on the first pitch. He manages to foul it off. Nice start.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:35 PM
Linedrive out to Stubbs. *whew*

Kc61
08-28-2009, 10:35 PM
Dusty leaves Bailey in to face Manny. If the game was three zip, I think Homer goes out but Manny can't tie it, even with a long ball.

Manny lines to Stubbs. Two down. C'mon Homer. Probably his last batter of the game coming up.

Doc. Scott
08-28-2009, 10:36 PM
Second pitch, smokes him inside. Manny flies out to short center.

Impressive. Never underestimate the power of Schultzian advice. Now pound some Budweisers.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:36 PM
I love the aggressive nature he's showing tonight. He's just coming RIGHT AT guys.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:37 PM
What happened to Owings?

They put him in the bullpen. Wells is starting another game so they need a long guy out there.

I'm REALLY impressed with Homer tonight. Wow. :eek: :thumbup:

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:38 PM
... I don't often go this strongly to bat for a player like him. But he's someone I really identify as being legit.
Hey, I don't have a problem with bringing him back. I'm just saying with that many possible outfield options next season...

If he is back I'd love it if he saw some time at 1st in spring training so we have a better backup there.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:38 PM
NICE JOB HOMER. Great start for him tonight!! :jump:

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:38 PM
Nice finish by Homer!

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:38 PM
98 MPH HEATER FOR THE STRIKEOUT!!! Woohoo!

Kc61
08-28-2009, 10:39 PM
Bailey Ks Blake looking on the outside corner. Just a brilliant outing. This kid has a golden arm.

Doc. Scott
08-28-2009, 10:39 PM
Baker has constantly left Homer in just a tiny bit too long throughout this whole year. Here he goes setting the same situation up again.

Except Bailey gets ahead in the count by smoking him inside, then catches him looking with flames on the outside corner.

Impressive. Now get him the heck out of there.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 10:39 PM
Grade A start by the young Jedi tonight.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:40 PM
Okay, now for the big question. 115 pitches. Do you at least let him go out there for the ninth and give him a SHOT at the shutout? I vote yes, but keep him on a VERY short leash.

Heck, I'd be all for sending him out there and pulling him just for the standing ovation.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:40 PM
They put him in the bullpen. Wells is starting another game so they need a long guy out there.

I'm REALLY impressed with Homer tonight. Wow. :eek: :thumbup:
Woops, I must've missed that. Thanks. Thought he was still an option.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:40 PM
Who else wants to see them bring in DRH for the 9th that they've been subjected to Homer's high speed fastball all night?! :laugh: ;)

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 10:41 PM
Okay, now for the big question. 115 pitches. Do you at least let him go out there for the ninth and give him a SHOT at the shutout? I vote yes, but keep him on a VERY short leash.

No I think you need to protect that arm and bring your closer in to shut the door.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:41 PM
Okay, now for the big question. 115 pitches. Do you at least let him go out there for the ninth and give him a SHOT at the shutout? I vote yes, but keep him on a VERY short leash.
Nah. Why push it? If you do leave him in I wouldn't hesitate to relieve him.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 10:42 PM
Okay, now for the big question. 115 pitches. Do you at least let him go out there for the ninth and give him a SHOT at the shutout? I vote yes, but keep him on a VERY short leash.

No way. Take Bailey out. That was a high stress inning. Put Nick Massett in now.

My guess is Dusty will leave him in, but I would disagree with that.

Brutus
08-28-2009, 10:43 PM
Great performance by Bailey. And I didn't mind leaving him in that last inning (though it was risky).

But yeah, time to cut bait.

He did his job, now turn it over to the pen. Wonderful performance. Best of his young career.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:43 PM
After I posted that, I had a better idea. Bring him back out...THEN pull him. Let him get the standing ovation.

Always Red
08-28-2009, 10:43 PM
No way. Take Bailey out. That was a high stress inning. Put Nick Massett in now.

My guess is Dusty will leave him in, but I would disagree with that.

Totally agree.

115 pitches is enough with a 4 run lead in the 9th.

Homer looked great tonight against one of the best teams in baseball.

CTA513
08-28-2009, 10:43 PM
Bailey tonight: 8 Innings, 7 Hits, 0 Runs, 1 BB, 7 K - 115 pitches (74 strikes)

I would have to guess this was the best start Baileys had in the majors.

Caveat Emperor
08-28-2009, 10:44 PM
Outings like this give me a sliver of hope for the future of the Reds.

Great stuff by Bailey.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:45 PM
Barker in the ODC.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:46 PM
I guess it's Masset for the 9th but I still think seeing DRH come in with his offspeed stuff would be a riot. :D

Always Red
08-28-2009, 10:47 PM
I guess it's Masset for the 9th but I still think seeing DRH come in with his offspeed stuff would be a riot. :D

That's a good call, Heather- I'd do it, too.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:48 PM
I guess it's Masset for the 9th but I still think seeing DRH come in with his offspeed stuff would be a riot. :D

Yep, that's EXACTLY what they should do. But it'll be Masset.

Brutus
08-28-2009, 10:49 PM
I guess it's Masset for the 9th but I still think seeing DRH come in with his offspeed stuff would be a riot. :D

Not to mention Loney (a LHH) is the first batter up in the 9th.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:50 PM
Nice. Barker with a soft single. 1st & 2nd (2 outs)

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:50 PM
Can anybody see who's warming up? The announcers said Masset.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:51 PM
Wow, bases loaded now thanks to another hit by Stubbs!

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:51 PM
Hey! Single by Stubby. Bases jacked for Janish's upcoming grand slam. :O)

Kc61
08-28-2009, 10:52 PM
Yep, that's EXACTLY what they should do. But it'll be Masset.

Herrera has been used a lot lately. Including multi inning outings. Earlier this year, Danny was overused and it hurt his performance.

Every time he rests a couple days, I'm happy.

Let Massett finish this up. Danny will help pin down the sweep on Sunday.

Always Red
08-28-2009, 10:52 PM
Stubbs cautiously creeps over the Mendoza line with that hit...

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:54 PM
Crud. I just lost my video feed.

Janish hit his dinger yet? :O)

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:54 PM
Hey! Single by Stubby. Bases jacked for Janish's upcoming grand slam. :O)

Hey, don't knock that...dude nearly had one in Milwaukee! ;)

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:54 PM
And we have a Ryan Freel sighting. Just signed to a minor league deal with the Rangers. Freel is joining his fifth organization in the last ten months. I wonder what the record is? lol

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 10:55 PM
It will be good to see Masset get a taste of the 9th.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 10:56 PM
Hey, don't knock that...dude nearly had one in Milwaukee! ;)

I wasn't knocking him. He's shown some solid pop lately. Those doubles he had in Milw. were rocket-shots.

Tony Cloninger
08-28-2009, 10:57 PM
Better pitch selection there by Drew. Very good to see. I want this guy to patrol CF and make WT....Obsolete!

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:58 PM
Ugh, I hate when announcers start talking about the one healthy thing we have left on our DLed team. I fully expect one of our bullpen guys to spontaneously combust now that they've said all that. :eek:

Or the Dodgers get a run in the 9th. Announcers jinx!! :bang:

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 10:58 PM
Well that was quick. lol

Kc61
08-28-2009, 10:59 PM
One out, one in, Coco coming in for the cheap save.

Dusty really wants to finally beat L.A. tonight. Hope Coco has it.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 10:59 PM
I don't like the idea of bringing Cordero in after he pitched every game in Milwaukee....


I wasn't knocking him. He's shown some solid pop lately. Those doubles he had in Milw. were rocket-shots.

I totally agree. I about fell out of my chair over that near GS the other night, LOL :laugh:

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 11:00 PM
Dusty going to CoCo, I think I would have stayed with Masset see how he handles himself in a save situation.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 11:00 PM
Coco coming in.

4 days straight. Earn that paycheck.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 11:01 PM
I don't like the idea of bringing Cordero in after he pitched every game in Milwaukee....



I totally agree. I about fell out of my chair over that near GS the other night, LOL :laugh:

I don't mind this move. Massett just doesn't look as comfortable in the ninth. Reds need to beat this Dodger team finally.

Everyone squawks about the twelve million, at least Dusty is making Coco earn it. Or some of it.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 11:02 PM
Dusty going to CoCo, I think I would have stayed with Masset see how he handles himself in a save situation.
Agreed. I would've given him at least 1-2 more batters. With a 3 run lead I'd like Masset to show that he can't do it.

RedsManRick
08-28-2009, 11:02 PM
Ridiculous. Let Masset deal with it. Dusty is just being a slave to the save stat. They can't kill it quickly enough.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 11:02 PM
Janish with a fabulous play. What a play.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 11:03 PM
Nice play by Janish there. ONE MORE. :)

Kc61
08-28-2009, 11:05 PM
Bloop single by Loretta.

Furcal up. Let's just end this already.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 11:05 PM
Oh boy.

back to back singles.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 11:06 PM
I'm recanting my support for bringing in Coco here. He looks like his arm is going to fall off.

WVRedsFan
08-28-2009, 11:06 PM
It just seems ridiculous that we do this in the 9th inning seems like every night. Our relief corps is like pouring gasoline on a open fire these days and I don't understand it.

BCubb2003
08-28-2009, 11:07 PM
Coco coming in.

4 days straight. Earn that paycheck.

It's just four innings with a steak dinner and eight hours of sleep in between.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 11:07 PM
End it all ready Coco! :eek:

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 11:08 PM
OY. :bang:

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 11:08 PM
If you're gonna replace Masset why throw in the guy that could use a day off?

WVRedsFan
08-28-2009, 11:08 PM
Bad move, Dusty. Bad move.

TeamBoone
08-28-2009, 11:08 PM
Oh man. Always an adventure with Cordero.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 11:08 PM
bases loaded after the walk.

Either up. *holds breath*

Kc61
08-28-2009, 11:08 PM
Bases loaded and the middle of the order coming up. Nuts.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 11:08 PM
Loaded up for Ethier.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 11:09 PM
Where are those pitches missing?!

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 11:10 PM
Man, this after 8 strong innings by Homer. :thumbdown

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 11:11 PM
Unbelievable. That's just horrible luck right there. :bang:

Kc61
08-28-2009, 11:12 PM
Run scores on strikeout. Just unbelievable. Now Manny. Just hopeless.

WVRedsFan
08-28-2009, 11:12 PM
Here's Manny to win it. This is simply a manager over-managing to the point of causing a loss. Stupid.

oneupper
08-28-2009, 11:12 PM
The ball hit him. How can it not be a dead ball?

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 11:14 PM
Lets keep hope alive here, sky is not falling.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 11:14 PM
Well I'm glad I still have a couple beers left in the fridge.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 11:14 PM
The ball hit him. How can it not be a dead ball?

Good point.

RedsManRick
08-28-2009, 11:15 PM
The ball hit him. How can it not be a dead ball?

I was just thinking the same thing.

GoReds
08-28-2009, 11:15 PM
Anybody in the dugout giving Homer oxygen?

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 11:15 PM
OMG, I had to change the channel....I can't believe we won!!! WOW. What a night!! :jump:

WVRedsFan
08-28-2009, 11:15 PM
Finally. I hope we trade Cordero yesterday.

Reds win and Codero and Masset make it look hard. Silly.

oneupper
08-28-2009, 11:15 PM
Whew!

Kc61
08-28-2009, 11:15 PM
Coco with a great sequence of pitches Ks Manny.

Memo to Dusty -- no Coco tomorrow.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 11:15 PM
Nice Win! Everyone take a deep breath.

Brutus
08-28-2009, 11:15 PM
Five down.

_Sir_Charles_
08-28-2009, 11:15 PM
And this one FINALLY belongs to the Reds!

Longest winning streak of the season. 5 games! Let's keep it going!!!!

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 11:15 PM
Way to make us sweat guys. lol. Nothing if not dramatic. Well that's 5 straight. Works for me. :)

HokieRed
08-28-2009, 11:15 PM
Coco with the K!

Bob Borkowski
08-28-2009, 11:15 PM
The ball hit him. How can it not be a dead ball?

The umps didn't call it.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 11:16 PM
Finally. I hope we trade Cordero yesterday.

Reds win and Codero and Masset make it look hard. Silly.

Reds are lucky to have such good relievers. You need to watch other teams whose relievers blow game after game.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 11:17 PM
Finally. I hope we trade Cordero yesterday.

Reds win and Codero and Masset make it look hard. Silly.

Crazy talk after a nice win c'mon lighten up and enjoy the ride 5 in a row.

oneupper
08-28-2009, 11:17 PM
The umps didn't call it.

What is the correct ruling in that case?
...and if the umps blew it...where was Dusty?

Tony Cloninger
08-28-2009, 11:17 PM
Yeah that was pathetic......might as well let Nick finish it....but these guys are clearly tired.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 11:17 PM
I'm just glad the pen didn't screw up the win for Homer and the Reds.

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 11:18 PM
Reds are lucky to have such good relievers. You need to watch other teams whose relievers blow game after game.

Didn't we have the gas can gang a few years back ugggh. I will take Masset and CoCo any day of the week.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 11:18 PM
Masset only gave up the HR and he got the first out of the inning so you can't really blame him too much. Cordero is the one who gave us all a stroke, LOL :laugh:

GO REDS!!! :D

Has anyone heard from the RZers at the game?! No doubt they needed oxygen too, LOL ;)

BCubb2003
08-28-2009, 11:19 PM
I will take Masset and CoCo any day of the week.

But perhaps not every day of the week.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 11:19 PM
Masset only gave up the HR and he got the first out of the inning so you can't really blame him too much. Cordero is the one who gave us all a stroke, LOL :laugh:

GO REDS!!! :D

Has anyone heard from the RZers at the game?! No doubt they needed oxygen too, LOL ;)
I'm betting they're gonna take credit for the win. lol

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 11:19 PM
What is the correct ruling in that case?
...and if the umps blew it...where was Dusty?

Would have been pretty hard for the ump to see it. From the replays at first looked like it bounced in the dirt. He more than likely would have heard it though.

CTA513
08-28-2009, 11:19 PM
Cordero has thrown 57 pitches in 1.2 innings over the past 2 days.

:eek:

oneupper
08-28-2009, 11:20 PM
Ump blew the call...

Here's a thread from an officiating message board,

http://forum.officiating.com/baseball/47959-yankees-jays-batter-hit-strikeout.html

KoryMac5
08-28-2009, 11:22 PM
Bad thing about tomorrow is the Reds most likely will be in the pen again pretty early as Maloney gets the start. No rest for the wicked.

Big Klu
08-28-2009, 11:22 PM
I don't think that was a save situation for Cordero. He pitched only .2 inning, and the tying run was not on base, at bat, or on deck when he entered the game.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 11:23 PM
Cordero has thrown 57 pitches in 1.2 innings over the past 2 days.

:eek:
Make that 83 pitches now over the last 4 days. I hope Maloney and the offense allow him him to take tomorrow off.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 11:23 PM
Great Gomes interview at the end: "We're going to run nine guys who want to win out there every night and then we'll see what happens." :)

TeamBoone
08-28-2009, 11:25 PM
I'm just glad the pen didn't screw up the win for Homer and the Reds.

Yeah, like they did for Bronson the other night.

The announcers (not just Chris and George, but the radio guys too) are always raving about how good Cordero is. As most already know, I'm not so sure I agree with that. Yeah, maybe he gets the job done more often than not, but it's very seldom pretty. He doesn't just go out there and put the other team away very often. And to me, that's what a good closer does.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 11:25 PM
It's hard not to like what Gomes has done this year.

Spring~Fields
08-28-2009, 11:25 PM
Final Cincinnati 4, LA Dodgers 2

Scoring Summary
Bot 2nd: Cincinnati
- J. Gomes singled to shallow left, W. Balentien scored

Bot 3rd: Cincinnati
- D. Stubbs singled to shallow center, C. Miller scored
- J. Votto doubled to center, D. Stubbs scored

Bot 6th: Cincinnati
- J. Gomes homered to deep right

Top 9th: LA Dodgers
- J. Loney homered to deep right
- A Ethier struck out swinging, A Ethier safe at first on wild pitch, M Loretta scored, R Furcal to third, M Kemp to second


LA Dodgers Batting
HR - J Loney (9, 9th inning off N Masset 0 on, 0 Out).

RBI - J Loney (75).

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - M Ramirez 3, C Blake 2.

Team LOB - 11.

Base Running
SB - M Kemp (28, 2nd base off H Bailey/C Miller).



Cincinnati Batting
2B - J Votto (20, C Billingsley); W Balentien (3, C Billingsley).

HR - J Gomes (16, 6th inning off C Billingsley 0 on, 0 Out).

S - H Bailey.

RBI - D Stubbs (3), J Votto (65), J Gomes 2 (40).

2-out RBI - J Votto, J Gomes.

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - P Janish 2, S Rolen 1, W Balentien 2.

Team LOB - 10.

Base Running
SB - D Stubbs (1, 2nd base off C Billingsley/R Martin).

CS - B Phillips (9, 2nd base by J McDonald/R Martin), J Gomes (1, 2nd base by C Billingsley/R Martin).

Pitching


IP H R ER BB K HR WHIP Season ERA
C. Billingsley 5.0 7 4 4 4 1 1 1.29 3.83 (L, 12-8)
R. Belisario 1.0 1 0 0 0 2 0 1.15 2.26
J. McDonald 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1.45 4.11
G. Mota 1.0 2 0 0 1 2 0 1.18 3.39

IP H R ER BB K HR WHIP Season ERA
H. Bailey 8.0 7 0 0 1 7 0 1.51 6.04 (W, 4-4)
N. Masset 0.1 1 1 1 0 0 1 1.07 2.84
F. Cordero 0.2 2 1 1 1 2 0 1.30 2.24


WP - C Billingsley 2.

Pitches-strikes - C Billingsley 101-54; R Belisario 12-11; J McDonald 15-8; G Mota 26-12; H Bailey 115-74; N Masset 5-3; F Cordero 29-19.

Ground balls-fly balls - C Billingsley 6-7; R Belisario 1-1; J McDonald 1-1; G Mota 0-1; H Bailey 10-5; N Masset 0-2; F Cordero 2-0.

Batters faced - C Billingsley 25; R Belisario 4; J McDonald 3; G Mota 6; H Bailey 32; N Masset 2; F Cordero 6.

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 11:29 PM
Yeah, like they did for Bronson the other night.

The announcers (not just Chris and George, but the radio guys too) are always raving about how good Cordero is. As most already know, I'm not so sure I agree with that. Yeah, maybe he gets the job done more often than not, but it's very seldom pretty. He doesn't just go out there and put the other team away very often. And to me, that's what a good closer does.
Yeah, I'd say he's a little overrated but Kc61 might feel the need to defend him. ;)

BCubb2003
08-28-2009, 11:30 PM
Yeah, like they did for Bronson the other night.

The announcers (not just Chris and George, but the radio guys too) are always raving about how good Cordero is. As most already know, I'm not so sure I agree with that. Yeah, maybe he gets the job done more often than not, but it's very seldom pretty. He doesn't just go out there and put the other team away very often. And to me, that's what a good closer does.

I agree. Maybe it's from being spoiled by the Nasty Boys, but even when the Reds bullpen was good in the Graves, White, Williamson and Sullivan years, they didn't have a lights-out closer. They had closers with great numbers who struggled through one inning at a time.

HokieRed
08-28-2009, 11:31 PM
I think Dusty overmanaged but there's nobody else on the team I want facing Manny at the end than Coco.

oneupper
08-28-2009, 11:31 PM
At least the RZ "gathering" got to enjoy a win!

BCubb2003
08-28-2009, 11:31 PM
Make that 83 pitches now over the last 4 days. I hope Maloney and the offense allow him him to take tomorrow off.

I say let him get to 100 then take him out.

lollipopcurve
08-28-2009, 11:34 PM
One of the finer wins of the year right there.

Bailey settling in. He needed to be left in the rotation. Now you can see him gaining confidence.

Great play by Janish in the 9th. Gomes is a beast right now, and no one messes with the Corkscrew.

Love the quote from Gomes....

WVRedsFan
08-28-2009, 11:34 PM
Reds are lucky to have such good relievers. You need to watch other teams whose relievers blow game after game.

I'm sure it happens, but to shut out a team like we did Milwaukee earlier and the dodgers tonight and then have the bullpen just allow hit and walk after hit and walk is frustrating. Regardless, Codero rarely throws strikes and smart hitters lay off his non-strikes and wait for him to come in with it. It sometimes results in disaster, but not tonight. Close but no cigar.

My comment was mainly aimed at Dusty. He'd bring Codero in every game if it becomes a save situation. Just like having to play Patterson, Taveras, or say Freel because they are on the team (he just can't help it--like a kid with a toy), he uses Francisco the same way. And after three straight days, codero wasn't sharp, as might be expected, but Dusty goes to the well again. And he'll do it tomorrow if the same situation comes up. Drives me nuts.

Good start, second in a row by Homer (very good news), nice timely hitting and a win. Going for six tomorrow and who would have believed it with Harang, and so many others out? And going against many in RedsZone, I think the presence of Scott Rolen has a lot to do with it. We now have some potential punch in the middle of the lineup and a crack fielder at the hot corner. Mighty fine.

Kc61
08-28-2009, 11:37 PM
Yeah, I'd say he's a little overrated but Kc61 might feel the need to defend him. ;)

I'm too exhausted after that ninth inning. Tomorrow.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 11:38 PM
The BBTN guys were a riot talking about the game tonight. They were pretty complimentary about the Reds and mentioned that Manny hasn't done much lately. They also showed the lady getting doused with beer and then drinking a beer later on in her seat. Apparently the one guy behind the lady threw a peanut at one of his buddies at some point which we didn't see during the game, LOL :laugh:

redsfandan
08-28-2009, 11:40 PM
Lol Kc61.

I'd just like to see us have more than only Cordero as a possible reliever to finish games. WHY does it HAVE to be only Cordero? (yes, I kow why :bang: )

Like WVRedsFan said, a healthy Rolen helps.

HeatherC1212
08-28-2009, 11:45 PM
Herrera didn't pitch yesterday, right? I still think I would have brought him in to face at least a batter or two before bringing in Cordero or Masset who both pitched a lot on the road. A win is a win but hopefully we don't need Coco tomorrow. :eek:

Nice interview with Homer after the game. :)

Brutus
08-28-2009, 11:45 PM
The BBTN guys were a riot talking about the game tonight. They were pretty complimentary about the Reds and mentioned that Manny hasn't done much lately. They also showed the lady getting doused with beer and then drinking a beer later on in her seat. Apparently the one guy behind the lady threw a peanut at one of his buddies at some point which we didn't see during the game, LOL :laugh:

He really hasn't. He's been solid, but completely unspectacular since getting back. Kemp and Ethier have been the only ones consistently hitting lately.

Sea Ray
08-29-2009, 12:35 AM
If I'm a Dodger fan I'm pretty worried about Manny. He needs to kick it into gear for the Dodgers to be a factor in the NL again. He's not nearly what he was last year or early this year in a Dodger uni

11larkin11
08-29-2009, 12:47 AM
All the talk about trading Cordero. I wouldn't mind trading him, but after trading Roenicke, Stewart, and Manuel, I wouldn't right now. I would like a bullpen next year of...

Herrera
Owings(FA pickup as starter, Cueto-FA-Arroyo-Harang-Bailey)
Fisher
Rhodes
Masset
Cordero

Last spot goes to the winner of the ST battle of Burton-Bray-Ondrusek-Del Rosario-Ramirez.

When Volquez comes back, one of the starters could come to the pen or be traded. I know people thing Owings bat would be nullified, but I think he could PH in the 9 spot then pitch the next inning, or pitch multiple innings because he doesn't have to be taken out for a PH.

HokieRed
08-29-2009, 12:58 AM
Isn't Burton arb eligible? which means I'd guess that if he's at spring training he'll be one of the 7.

Sea Ray
08-29-2009, 12:59 AM
Ump blew the call...

Here's a thread from an officiating message board,

http://forum.officiating.com/baseball/47959-yankees-jays-batter-hit-strikeout.html

I too think it was a blown call

Rule 6.05 (f) states that a batter is out if:

"he attempts to hit a 3rd strike and the ball touches him"

Rule 6.08 (b) further says that

"when a batter is touched by a pitched ball which does not entitle him to 1st base, the ball is dead and no runner may advance"

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/06_the_batter.pdf

I am amazed that no one on the Reds argued the call nor did either Reds announcing team, TV or radio. Had the Reds lost the game it would have been interesting to see if Dusty had elected to protest to the league office. I think he'd have had a case.

A catcher can't be expected to catch a 3rd strike that hits a batter. It was an obvious call that I'm shocked was missed. The way the ball shot out of there, I'd say there was no question that it hit the batter.

Good for RZ for picking up on this...:thumbup:

WVRedsFan
08-29-2009, 01:10 AM
All the talk about trading Cordero. I wouldn't mind trading him, but after trading Roenicke, Stewart, and Manuel, I wouldn't right now. I would like a bullpen next year of...

Herrera
Owings(FA pickup as starter, Cueto-FA-Arroyo-Harang-Bailey)
Fisher
Rhodes
Masset
Cordero

Last spot goes to the winner of the ST battle of Burton-Bray-Ondrusek-Del Rosario-Ramirez.

When Volquez comes back, one of the starters could come to the pen or be traded. I know people thing Owings bat would be nullified, but I think he could PH in the 9 spot then pitch the next inning, or pitch multiple innings because he doesn't have to be taken out for a PH.I noticed you left Lehr out. I assume he goes back to AAA? The jury's out of him of course, but I think he has some worth. Maybe as a throw in when we make a trade?