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Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 03:15 PM
Stubbs CF
Janish SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Rolen 3B
Gomes LF
McDonald RF
Miller C
Bailey P

Rox:
Gonzalez
Smith
Helton
Tulowitzki
Hawpe
Stewart
Barmes
Ianetta
Jimenez

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 04:11 PM
McDonald has pictures. It has to be. Fire Dusty.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:13 PM
Ubaldo makes Stubbs look silly.

nate
09-07-2009, 04:14 PM
Chat is open!

redsmetz
09-07-2009, 04:15 PM
McDonald has pictures. It has to be. Fire Dusty.

He might have pictures of his stat sheet which shows him at .333/.360/.542 and an OPS of .902 since his return. This is only his 5th start in 12 games.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:15 PM
Reds go 1-2-3.

Brutus
09-07-2009, 04:17 PM
Ubaldo makes Stubbs look silly.

Ubaldo has definitely been making a lot of people look silly recently. He's been real good.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:19 PM
Bailey K's Gonzalez.

RedFanAlways1966
09-07-2009, 04:20 PM
Because I do not believe in a jinx (sorry if you do)....

A win today will give the REDS 8 straight wins. That feat has been accomplished by the REDS only 5 times in the last 15 years. Only once in the 2000s.

10 > June 21 - July 1, 1999
10 > July 2 - July 15, 1998
9 >> May 22 - May 31, 1995
8 >> May 31 - June 8, 2006
8 >> May 28 - June 6, 1999

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:21 PM
Bailey K's Smith. 2 out.

redsmetz
09-07-2009, 04:23 PM
Nice opening frame for Homer.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:23 PM
Helton pops up to 3rd. 1-2-3 inning for Homer. 0-0 after 1.

Brutus
09-07-2009, 04:23 PM
Definitely a good inning for Bailey.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:25 PM
BP singles over the second baseman on the first pitch.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:29 PM
Rolen walks. First and second with no outs.

Brutus
09-07-2009, 04:30 PM
Another 'professional' at-bat by Rolen. Very good job.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:31 PM
Gomes hits into a double play. 2 outs.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:33 PM
McDonald K's. No score after 1 1/2.

BCubb2003
09-07-2009, 04:33 PM
He might have pictures of his stat sheet which shows him at .333/.360/.542 and an OPS of .902 since his return. This is only his 5th start in 12 games.

Apparently it's a picture of his birth certificate, which shows he was born in the Denver area.

redsmetz
09-07-2009, 04:36 PM
Apparently it's a picture of his birth certificate, which shows he was born in the Denver area.

Well that would explain it too. Nice super sleuthing.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:37 PM
Tulo pops up to Rolen. 1 out.

VR
09-07-2009, 04:38 PM
McDonald getting the start because he is from Denver.

It's always a good way to pick your starting lineup....and fantastic news for Balentien, as he should finally get a lot of ab's when they play the Curacao Wildcats.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:39 PM
Hawpe walks on 3-2. 1 on, 1 out.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:41 PM
George Grande loves Jim Tracy like he were Jim Edmonds.

VR
09-07-2009, 04:41 PM
George Grande loves Jim Tracy like he were Jim Edmonds.

and you know his story.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:43 PM
Bailey K's Stewart. 2 out, 1 on.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 04:44 PM
McDonald getting the start because he is from Denver.

It's always a good way to pick your starting lineup....and fantastic news for Balentien, as he should finally get a lot of ab's when they play the Curacao Wildcats.

I was thinking about a good comeback, but you supplied it. We went along with Hairston's fantastic numbers over a short period of time and we got exactly what we deserved. Not much. And starting people because they come from a certain area is stupid. They should be starting Balentien every day because he has potential. McDonald has not.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:44 PM
Barmes pops up to Janish. 0-0 after 2 innings.

11larkin11
09-07-2009, 04:44 PM
Bailey through 2, 34 pitches, 31 of which have been 4 seam fastballs, 2 changes and one curveball

VR
09-07-2009, 04:44 PM
3 k's and 3 pop ups for Bailey.

Just freaky dominant so far....and it looks like he knows it.

I like it.

11larkin11
09-07-2009, 04:45 PM
and you know his story.

My favorite part of "you know his story" is that even though we supposedly know a story, George likes to tell it to us anyways

Brutus
09-07-2009, 04:47 PM
I was thinking about a good comeback, but you supplied it. We went along with Hairston's fantastic numbers over a short period of time and we got exactly what we deserved. Not much. And starting people because they come from a certain area is stupid. They should be starting Balentien every day because he has potential. McDonald has not.

It's stupid unless you have a lot of family members in town to watch you play (which I believe he does). In which case, I'm actually fine with it.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 04:47 PM
BTW, last night they celebrated 30 years of SportsCenter last night and guess who was the first guest? George Grande. They also showed old clips while he was on the network 30 years ago. You can't escape him.

HokieRed
09-07-2009, 04:47 PM
Homer's pounding the zone with his best pitch. He's learning.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 04:48 PM
It's stupid unless you have a lot of family members in town to watch you play (which I believe he does). In which case, I'm actually fine with it.

And that relates to winning a ball game how?

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 04:48 PM
Bailey strikes out.

SEND HIM DOWN! :O)

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:49 PM
Corky grounded out to short.
Homer K'ed.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:49 PM
Stubbs walks(!) 1 on, two out.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 04:50 PM
Nice AB there from Drew. 0-2 and works the walk.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 04:51 PM
Wonder why Janish was bunting?

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:51 PM
Stubbs caught stealing, but I'm not sure he didn't get in before the tag. 0-0 after 2 1/2.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 04:51 PM
Nailed trying to swipe second. Stubbs has impressed me overall, but he seems to get pretty poor jumps on his stolen base attempts.

His speed compensates quite a bit, but somebody should work on him with getting secondary leads and such. Eric Davis would be a good choice I'd think

Brutus
09-07-2009, 04:51 PM
And that relates to winning a ball game how?

It doesn't. But you have a group of players that are supposedly good enough to play at this level. You've got to trust them to play once in a while. If they're not good enough, they shouldn't be there.

Even then, players (in theory) are not going to start every game anyhow. So I don't mind rewarding a guy in an isolated case with a start in his hometown.

11larkin11
09-07-2009, 04:51 PM
Stubbs thrown out, but it is pretty hard to steal on a 98 MPH fastball and a perfect throw

redsmetz
09-07-2009, 04:52 PM
I was thinking about a good comeback, but you supplied it. We went along with Hairston's fantastic numbers over a short period of time and we got exactly what we deserved. Not much. And starting people because they come from a certain area is stupid. They should be starting Balentien every day because he has potential. McDonald has not.

McDonald's numbers since the call up likewise warranted a start. Being from Denver is just icing on the cake. It's happened since time immemorable.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:54 PM
George Grande isn't into Fantasy Football. More and more he proves himself to be a real life Ned Flanders.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:54 PM
Ianetta pops up to Votto. 1 out.

11larkin11
09-07-2009, 04:55 PM
George's impersonation of Harry Kalas just made my day

mth123
09-07-2009, 04:55 PM
It doesn't. But you have a group of players that are supposedly good enough to play at this level. You've got to trust them to play once in a while. If they're not good enough, they shouldn't be there.

Even then, players (in theory) are not going to start every game anyhow. So I don't mind rewarding a guy in an isolated case with a start in his hometown.

Agree. especially a career minor leaguer possibly on his last cup of coffee in the big leagues at the tail end of a lost season. I've no problem with it at all. Let him have his moment. Balentien will have plenty of chances and Dusty's probably doing him a favor by sitting him against Ubaldo anyway.

Wish we had Ubaldo.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:56 PM
Jimenez bounces one back to Homer but it goes off his glove and he can't locate it and Jimenez reaches. 1 on, 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 04:56 PM
Crummy break on the comebacker to Bailey. Ubaldo safe at first.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 04:56 PM
What is it with the Reds and pitchers. Lucky hit by Jiminez. Janish seemed to hesitate on that one. I guess he thought Homer had it.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 04:57 PM
Sheesh. Another hit off a Reds glove. This time Brandon's. Might be an E.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 04:57 PM
Gonzalez hits on at BP but he can't hold onto it. 2 on, 1 out.

BCubb2003
09-07-2009, 04:58 PM
I'm going to assume the double play and no one can stop me.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 04:58 PM
E on Brandon. I imagine the Gold Glove was a one year thing, but that was a hot shot.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 04:58 PM
Yep, ruled an error on Phillips. I kind assumed it would be.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 05:00 PM
Bailey K's Smith looking. 2 out.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:00 PM
Great two seam fastball to get the K. Wow, he's learning and fast.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 05:03 PM
Helton singles in a run but BP guns down the 2nd runner at home. 1-0 Rockies after 3.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:04 PM
Reminded me of the play where Stubbs tried to score on the short fly last night. Coaches had no business sending either player, but if it had worked...

flyer85
09-07-2009, 05:06 PM
gotta love that play from Corky. He sat on home plate and was willing to take a hit but he left nothing for Gonzalez

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:07 PM
Nice! Votto catches a break and ends up at second. E? ... yes, single and an error.

Janish advances to third. (he singled by the way)

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 05:07 PM
Janish singles off Tulo's glove.
Votto singles, Janish to third and Votto advances to second.

2nd and 3rd with no outs.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:08 PM
Strange way the ball is bouncing in this park. Chris just mentioned the T word saying Denver helped him. Do tell.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 05:09 PM
Ughhh.

BP lines out to 2nd and they turn two as Votto was off 2nd. 2 out, 1 on

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:09 PM
Good grief. Votto caught napping which happens more and more lately.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:09 PM
Crud! Line drive right to the 2nd baseman to double up Votto.

2 down for Rolen (Janish still at third)

kaldaniels
09-07-2009, 05:09 PM
The 3rd was still a good inning from Bailey...pitch to contact and let the dust fall where it may. If he walked Helton it could have gotten ugly.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 05:12 PM
Rolen singles Janish in. 1-1 game.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 05:13 PM
Gomes with a 2 run homer!
:jump:

VR
09-07-2009, 05:13 PM
Good grief. Votto caught napping which happens more and more lately.

Indeed. No business running on that play.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 05:15 PM
McDonald K's but the Reds lead 3-1 after 3 1/2.

HokieRed
09-07-2009, 05:16 PM
Gomes now at better than 1 HR every 13 AB. 520 AB=40+HRS.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:17 PM
Man! I walk away for 5 minutes and miss all the fun. :O)

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 05:18 PM
Tulo walks. 1 on, 1 out.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 05:20 PM
Sorry, no more PBP from me for the time being.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:21 PM
Homer getting squeezed a bit here vs. Hawpe

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:22 PM
Back to back walks...0 outs

Squeezed BAD on the Hawpe AB.

Phillips Error changed to a hit...and now it's an earned run for Bailey.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:22 PM
Homer doing his best old Homer imitation.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:23 PM
I think we got a problem. This could be a big inning--for the Rockies. Not good.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:24 PM
Strikeout! 1 down.

mth123
09-07-2009, 05:25 PM
Strikeout! 1 down.

Bottom of the order coming up now. Don't let up.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 05:25 PM
I think we got a problem. This could be a big inning--for the Rockies. Not good.

Debbie Downer around here a bit, have some faith in the guys.

mth123
09-07-2009, 05:26 PM
Barmes FO to Gomes. Tulo to 3B. 2 outs.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 05:27 PM
Stubbs needs to call that ball! Come on Drew.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:27 PM
Barmes FO to Gomes. Tulo to 3B. 2 outs.

Shouldn't have been able to advance...a bit of confusion between Gomes & Stubbs there allowed the runner to go to 3rd.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:27 PM
Debbie Downer around here a bit, have some faith in the guys.

I think we went to different schools together. Cute blonde :)

Seriously, just a comment on the game. You can't tell me you didn't have doubts.

VR
09-07-2009, 05:28 PM
Homer getting squeezed

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:28 PM
Iannetta walks. Squeezed again. Marty actually complaining about his pitch count. He should be complaining about the defense & the ball/strike calling.

11larkin11
09-07-2009, 05:28 PM
Homer with his 4th walk, but two of those should have been Ks. Hawpe earlier and now Ianetta. He got squeezed bad

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 05:29 PM
I think we went to different schools together. Cute blonde :)

Seriously, just a comment on the game. You can't tell me you didn't have doubts.

A few weeks ago yes, now not so much doubt with the way these guys are playing.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:29 PM
Ubaldo grounds out to end the drama though. 3-1 Redlegs

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:29 PM
Homer getting squeezed

Big time.
But, all's well that ends well

mth123
09-07-2009, 05:30 PM
Homer getting squeezed

He was pitching pretty carefully with 2 on 2 outs and the pitcher on deck. It worked.

Jiminez GO.

11larkin11
09-07-2009, 05:30 PM
Homer has yet to break out the splitter today. I think next inning could be an easy one if he breaks it out.

kaldaniels
09-07-2009, 05:30 PM
Ball 3 on Ianetta may have been the worst ball call I've seen all year.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 05:30 PM
Homer with his 4th walk, but two of those should have been Ks. Hawpe earlier and now Ianetta. He got squeezed bad

Rockie announcers were suprised with a few of those calls.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:31 PM
Speaking of ball/strike calling, anybody catch the MLB network Costas interview last night with the 3 ex-umps? Really funny stuff. I especially liked the ump who flipped a coin at a close play at first. :O)

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:31 PM
A few weeks ago yes, now not so much doubt with the way these guys are playing.

Guess I'm living in the past.

Not really, but after so long (10 years!) watching this team, you just wait for something bad to happen.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:32 PM
Corky with a single to lead things off. Homer up

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 05:32 PM
Bailey looked like he said a few words to the umpire walking off. Nothing heated maybe trying to build a relationship with the homeplate umpire.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 05:34 PM
Guess I'm living in the past.

Not really, but after so long (10 years!) watching this team, you just wait for something bad to happen.

These kids and Rolen are fun to watch. Relax and enjoy the ride. :beerme:

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:34 PM
Dusty loves the bunt. I hate the bunt. Fire Dusty.

mth123
09-07-2009, 05:35 PM
Dusty loves the bunt. I hate the bunt. Fire Dusty.

Amen. Corky Miller for Manager.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 05:35 PM
17th straight losing season for Pirate fans, ugggh!

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:35 PM
Dusty loves the bunt. I hate the bunt. Fire Dusty.

I hate the poorly excecuted bunt. Fire the hitting coach.


Amen. Corky Miller for Manager.

If we replace him with anybody, I'd like to see Sweet get a shot.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:37 PM
Banjo hitting Janish pops to center and the mini threat is over. Wasting outs is Dustyball at its finest. 3-1 Reds, middle of the 5th. Can it be 8 straight?

mth123
09-07-2009, 05:37 PM
I hate the poorly excecuted bunt. Fire the hitting coach.

I hate bunting with your hottest hitter only to bring your worst hitter up with 2 outs. Of course if the worst hitter wasn't hitting second, it might make more sense.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:39 PM
What's with all the hate! Can't we all just get along! :O)

mth123
09-07-2009, 05:39 PM
What's with all the hate! Can't we all just get along! :O)
Not when it comes to small ball. I hate it.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:39 PM
Has anybody seen the splitter yet? I haven't.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 05:40 PM
Was the bunt sign on for Stubbs or was that Drew's idea. And did Bailey take the bunt sign off and try to swing away. Two important questions that need to be answered. I can't see Dusty taking the bunt off for Homer and him Butcher boying it to centerfield.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:40 PM
I hate bunting with your hottest hitter only to bring your worst hitter up with 2 outs. Of course if the worst hitter wasn't hitting second, it might make more sense.

Yep. Totally agree with this. Of course, your worst hitter is a very close race between Janish, McDonald, and Miller, but point taken.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:40 PM
1 out double down the line for Smith.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:41 PM
Nice catch by mickie-d! I thought that was a gapper for sure.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 05:41 PM
Darnell playing a decent RF today.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 05:42 PM
Not going to get that outside corner today, Homer.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:43 PM
Not when it comes to small ball. I hate it.

Two of us.

Tony Cloninger
09-07-2009, 05:44 PM
I saw those 3 umps being interviewed by Costas..... Bruce is such an arrogant person that i can see where any ballplayer would have a problem with him. One of those my way or the highway guys....who never thinks he is wrong.
He came off looking really bad.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:45 PM
Another fly out to Darnell to end the inning.

Despite the tight zone, a nice outting by Homer today.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 05:45 PM
Rockie announcers stating that there is no way the Reds will risk running Homer out there for 120 pitches. Have these guys met Dusty at all. Homer at 97 pitches now I can see him easily going 115 pitches today the way he is going.

mth123
09-07-2009, 05:46 PM
Rockie announcers stating that there is no way the Reds will risk running Homer out there for 120 pitches. Have these guys met Dusty at all. Homer at 97 pitches now I can see him easily going 115 pitches today the way he is going.

Probably means 1 more inning.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 05:46 PM
I saw those 3 umps being interviewed by Costas..... Bruce is such an arrogant person that i can see where any ballplayer would have a problem with him. One of those my way or the highway guys....who never thinks he is wrong.
He came off looking really bad.

I somewhat agree, I guess I see the umps point of view more though...but overall I really enjoyed the whole interview.

Tony Cloninger
09-07-2009, 05:47 PM
Well Don came off looking contrite......and he was very respected as an umpire. Palermo was very classy. Bruce just looked like he was looking for a hot dog vendor.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:48 PM
Rockie announcers stating that there is no way the Reds will risk running Homer out there for 120 pitches. Have these guys met Dusty at all. Homer at 97 pitches now I can see him easily going 115 pitches today the way he is going.

Homer will at least start the 6th. Dusty might pull one of his brilliant "let him pitch to one hitter and then pull him" moves, but he will start the 6th and, like you say, get at least 112-115 pitches out of him.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 05:49 PM
Liked Votto's patience that AB, especially being down 0-2. Need to work Jimenez pitch count.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 05:54 PM
Reds fail to score after the Votto walk 3-1 Reds.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:54 PM
Phillips flies out, Rolen strikes out and Gomes gounds out, leaving Votto at first. 3-1 Reds in the middle of the 6th.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:55 PM
Any bets on Homer's final pitch count? Or how he'll do this inning?

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:58 PM
Homer walks the first batter in the 6th. For the third time.

HokieRed
09-07-2009, 05:58 PM
Dusty needs to go.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 05:59 PM
Dusty needs to go.

Preaching to the choir, man.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 06:04 PM
Homer cannot field. How many times have we seen that? Bad throw to first. and the official scorer rules it a hit and an error. What!? Homer out and Masset in. Wow. Long ball coming.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:04 PM
Homer throws the swing bunt into RF, at least the error gets Jimenez out of the game. 117 pitches for Homer.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:06 PM
Masset coming into the game to try and perserve the lead. Mixed bag with Homer today 5 walks and 6 k's only 1 run allowed. Very Nuke like.

VR
09-07-2009, 06:08 PM
Homer cannot field. How many times have we seen that? Bad throw to first. and the official scorer rules it a hit and an error. What!? Homer out and Masset in. Wow. Long ball coming.

Twice today on a couple of very fieldable plays.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:08 PM
Atkins PH for Jimenez.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:08 PM
WP by Massett Hawpe nailed at the plate.

PuffyPig
09-07-2009, 06:08 PM
Long ball coming.

Forever the opitmist.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 06:09 PM
Thanks to the Rockies for sending the runner on the wild pitch. The runner was a dead duck. Inning over and a good thing. Masset looked terrible.

kaldaniels
09-07-2009, 06:09 PM
Sure there is plenty for Homer to learn from this one, but that's 4 nice outings in a row.

Brutus
09-07-2009, 06:10 PM
Thanks to the Rockies for sending the runner on the wild pitch. The runner was a dead duck. Inning over and a good thing. Masset looked terrible.

Three pitches sure ain't much to go on.

HokieRed
09-07-2009, 06:12 PM
Homer will be fine. I'm more worried about his pitch counts than anything else.

VR
09-07-2009, 06:12 PM
Not sure how you give Ianetta a hit on that. Homer double pumped and still would have had him with a good throw.

3 of the 5 'hits' today, 1 was an error, the other 2 could have been fielded by Homer and Phillips.

Homer persevered though today. He didn't get any calls...and had 3 guys struck out that later walked.

The thing I'm seeing that I like best.....he's not nearly as 'wild' on his 0-2 and 1-2 counts like he was early in the year. Those were just throw away pitches then...now they are at least keeping the hitters honest.

kaldaniels
09-07-2009, 06:12 PM
Three pitches sure ain't much to go on.

What are you smokin' there's some on here who can judge a pitcher based on the windup of the 1st pitch. :D

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 06:13 PM
Forever the opitmist.

He's allowed 6 in 60+ innings and it's been 10 innings since he allowed one. Just playing the averages.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:15 PM
Daley gets the Reds in order, bottom of the 7th coming up.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 06:18 PM
Three pitches sure ain't much to go on.

He was dropping his shoulder and that's not typical Massett. Of course, if you're not impressed with everything the Reds do, it's a problem around here.

PuffyPig
09-07-2009, 06:19 PM
He's allowed 6 in 60+ innings and it's been 10 innings since he allowed one. Just playing the averages.

He's allowed 6 HR's in, I'm guessing, about 270 batters, or about 1 HR every 45 batters, or to a little over 4-5% of his batters.

The odds are long that any individual batter will hit a HR.

Vegas must send a plane to pick you up.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:20 PM
He was dropping his shoulder and that's not typical Massett. Of course, if you're not impressed with everything the Reds do, it's a problem around here.

Were still waiting for you to be impressed today. Just busting your chops a bit. :thumbup:

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 06:21 PM
He's allowed 6 HR's in, I'm guessing, about 270 batters, or about 1 HR every 45 batters, or to a little over 2% of his batters.

The odds are long that any individual batter will hit a HR.

Vegas must send a plane to pick you up.

What's your problem? It was just an opinion. Nothing more. I'm wrong sometimes and you are too, believe it or not. Get off my back.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:21 PM
Runner on first for the Rockies, as Brandon couldn't make the tough play.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:23 PM
Arthur having some issues as he walks Gonzalez. Bunt looks to be on with no outs.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:24 PM
Smith with the bunt, moves the runners over.

Brutus
09-07-2009, 06:24 PM
He was dropping his shoulder and that's not typical Massett. Of course, if you're not impressed with everything the Reds do, it's a problem around here.

Has nothing to do with being impressed or unimpressed with the Reds. It's simply grasping at straws trying to judge the likely result of a pitcher's performance after three whole pitches (the first of which was actually a strike).

toledodan
09-07-2009, 06:24 PM
sac bunt second and third one out.

HokieRed
09-07-2009, 06:24 PM
They're going to have to find some relievers they'll actually use. Too much load lately on Masset, Rhodes, CoCo.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:26 PM
Nobody getting that outside corner today.

toledodan
09-07-2009, 06:26 PM
sac fly 3-2 reds.

toledodan
09-07-2009, 06:27 PM
tie game.

Brutus
09-07-2009, 06:28 PM
I would have seriously considered walking Tulowitzki there to face the lefty Hawpe in that situation. Too late for that.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 06:30 PM
Mr. T (can't even begin to spell his names) leaves the game after injuring himself on that swing that was the single that tied the game.

toledodan
09-07-2009, 06:32 PM
hawpe k's 3-3 going to the 8th.

HokieRed
09-07-2009, 06:33 PM
Simple proposition here. We need to get about 8 and let Ramirez finish this thing out.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:33 PM
Rhodes with his first rough patch in awhile. Play at the plate should have been closer but that's what you give up to have Gomes bat in the line up.

PuffyPig
09-07-2009, 06:35 PM
Rhodes only gave up the one ligitimate hit here, but it cost us.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:35 PM
Not sure what Drew was looking for, as he k's on 94mph cheese.

toledodan
09-07-2009, 06:36 PM
stubbs k's looking.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:37 PM
Yanni flies to RF.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 06:40 PM
Fisher warming up

toledodan
09-07-2009, 06:41 PM
Yanni flies to RF.

:D:D:D

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:41 PM
Votto k's on high cheese.

11larkin11
09-07-2009, 06:42 PM
Its amazing we have won 12 of 14 and 7 straight with our #3 hitter being pretty darn bad throughout the whole stretch. I really hope he catches fire these last 3 weeks to boost him for next year.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:44 PM
Stewart welcomes Fisher back to the bigs with a no doubter.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:45 PM
Barmes singles to left Fisher fooling no one at the moment.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:46 PM
Ianetta SF bunt moves runner over.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:47 PM
Spillborghs ph for the pitcher.

GADawg
09-07-2009, 06:48 PM
Rhodes with his first rough patch in awhile. Play at the plate should have been closer but that's what you give up to have Gomes bat in the line up.

are you kidding? wasn't exactly a missile to home but there was a speedster at 3rd and that bat in the lineup had already given you the 2 run shot that had you in the game in the first place. sheesh

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:49 PM
Rolen makes a tough play look easy, 2 outs.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 06:50 PM
DRH coming in.

HokieRed
09-07-2009, 06:52 PM
Don't understand why he didn't get DRH at the beginning of this inning.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:53 PM
are you kidding? wasn't exactly a missile to home but there was a speedster at 3rd and that bat in the lineup had already given you the 2 run shot that had you in the game in the first place. sheesh

Just saying that there is a certain trade off to having Gomes in LF. A good fielder guns Young out at the plate, speed or not that ball was hit shallow and the play would have been made by a good fielder. Gomes may be adequate but he is far from a good fielder. Sheesh.

Reds out of the inning 4-3 Rockies.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 06:54 PM
Don't understand why he didn't get DRH at the beginning of this inning.

Wondered myself. Variety? I can't explain a lot of things Dusty does. I do know that...I had better stay quiet.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:55 PM
Huston Street still injured so the Reds get Franklin Morales to close. Phillips, Rolen, and Gomes may make a dent.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 06:56 PM
BP singles.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:56 PM
Phillips on base with the tying run, dude kills lefties.

Brutus
09-07-2009, 06:56 PM
Just saying that there is a certain trade off to having Gomes in LF. A good fielder guns Young out at the plate, speed or not that ball was hit shallow and the play would have been made by a good fielder. Gomes may be adequate but he is far from a good fielder. Sheesh.

Reds out of the inning 4-3 Rockies.

I agree with your point in general wholeheartedly. However, I don't really think too many guys would have gunned Young down the way he was moving. Yes, it was remotely shallow, and there are other guys that would have a 5 or 6 arm that might have gotten it there quicker, but I don't think most would have thrown him out.

VR
09-07-2009, 06:56 PM
Wondered myself. Variety? I can't explain a lot of things Dusty does. I do know that...I had better stay quiet.

Carlos Fisher had a 3rd cousin from Denver at the game.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 06:57 PM
Rolen also singles.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:57 PM
Reds get a rally going first two reach.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 06:58 PM
Carlos Fisher had a 3rd cousin from Denver at the game.

:)

Be careful, VR.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 06:58 PM
Well, the pen is blowing this game so far. It's hard to pick on the pen this year though, because they've been money for most of the year. I guess they were due to have a game like this though. Sucks for Homer though. He certainly pitched well enough for a W.

Let's hope the bats can bail out the pen for a change.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 06:59 PM
Get em on, get em over, get em in, for luck.

11larkin11
09-07-2009, 06:59 PM
Dusty won't really let Darnell bat with Wlad on the bench right? Right? Right?

Wrong.

VR
09-07-2009, 07:00 PM
ccccccccccrap call for strike 1

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 07:00 PM
Gomes hit it hard but to the left fielder. Argh.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 07:01 PM
Darnell bats.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 07:01 PM
Gomes hit it hard, but at somebody. Up to Darnell to do something here.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 07:01 PM
Dusty won't really let Darnell bat with Wlad on the bench right? Right? Right?

Wrong.
Ugh.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 07:02 PM
Wlad will PH for Miller when his turn comes.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 07:04 PM
Wow. Ran themselves out of the inning.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 07:04 PM
What is Dusty's obsession with the running game? ARGGGH.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 07:04 PM
*sigh* Double steal...Rolen nailed at second. Phillips safe at third.

Kc61
09-07-2009, 07:04 PM
Carlos Fisher had a 3rd cousin from Denver at the game.

Almost every time somebody makes a comment about why Dusty used this guy or that guy the poster is ignoring lefty/righty matchups. Yesterday it was "why not hit Owings there" when a tough righty was pitching against Barker. Probably same thing here.

Posters don't have to agree with the matchup Dusty selects -- but sometimes the poster might acknowledge that it is a factor.

Decent idea to run Phillips there. Not a good idea to have Rolen running behind him. One more chance.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 07:05 PM
Terrible managing today by Dusty.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 07:05 PM
Game over. Favorite son K's for the 3rd time and Reds lose.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 07:05 PM
Ballgame. Well, the streak had to end eventually.

LvJ
09-07-2009, 07:06 PM
lol @ that inning.

Why is Darnell batting?

Why is Rolen stealing?

Reds deserved to lose that game. Horrible fielding. Horrible managing.

Tom Servo
09-07-2009, 07:06 PM
Ballgame. Well, the streak had to end eventually.
It shouldn't have been this one though, it was completly winnable.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 07:06 PM
Winnable game for the Reds today unfortunately they didn't get the big break they needed. Lets get back out there and take the next few games.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 07:08 PM
Funny how it came down to McDonald at the end. Oh well, it was a winnable game but like some have said (notice not me), bad decisions caused us to lose.

Let's start a new streak tomorrow.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 07:09 PM
It shouldn't have been this one though, it was completly winnable.

Yep. It went downhill once Homer started getting squeezed. The pen failed to produce which has been a VERY rare thing this season. The defense was poor, another pretty rare thing lately. Some mental errors (votto picked off second napping) & some questionable managing (I'm not counting the Stubbs bunting thing...I think he did that on his own) with the double steal there.

Spring~Fields
09-07-2009, 07:09 PM
Funny how it came down to McDonald at the end. Oh well, it was a winnable game but like some have said (notice not me), bad decisions caused us to lose.

Let's start a new streak tomorrow.

McDonald o for 4 with 3 strikeouts. ;)

VR
09-07-2009, 07:12 PM
Game over. Favorite son K's for the 3rd time and Reds lose.

At least his family got to see it, that's what matters.

Tough game today. No bounces went their way, many close plays w/ the glove that didn't turn into outs, and no help from the umpires.

Oh well, it was a good run, and once again a very impressive start from Homer.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 07:17 PM
McDonald o for 4 with 3 strikeouts. ;)

I know Darnell stunk it up at the beginning of the season (and today for that matter), but he seems like an odd person to single out today. There were miscues up and down the roster. Since he got called up from Louisville in late August, McDonald has been hitting .333 (including today's oh-fer) 8 for 24. Wlad, who several people wanted to see in that spot, is hitting .264 (9 for 34) over that same timeframe. Sure, over the long haul, I prefer the upside of Balentien. But Darnell has played some very solid defense and, outside of today, he's been productive at the dish. Hard to really fault Dusty on letting Darnell play today and to bat there. (He did have Wlad in the ODC pinch hitting for Corky though)

Spring~Fields
09-07-2009, 07:17 PM
Final Colorado 4, Cincinnati 3

:duel:

Scoring Summary
Bot 3rd: Colorado
- T. Helton singled to shallow right center, U. Jimenez scored, C. Gonzalez to third, C. Gonzalez out at home

Top 4th: Cincinnati
- S. Rolen singled to shallow right, P. Janish scored
- J. Gomes homered to deep left, S. Rolen scored

Bot 7th: Colorado
- T. Helton hit sacrifice fly to left, E. Young scored, C. Gonzalez to third
- T. Tulowitzki singled to shallow right center, C. Gonzalez scored

Bot 8th: Colorado
- I. Stewart homered to deep right

Reds Batting
HR - J Gomes (18, 4th inning off U Jimenez 1 on, 2 Out).

RBI - S Rolen (9), J Gomes 2 (45).

2-out RBI - S Rolen, J Gomes 2.

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - D McDonald 2.

GIDP - J Gomes.

Team LOB - 4.

Base Running
CS - D Stubbs (3, 2nd base by U Jimenez/C Iannetta), S Rolen (2, 2nd base by F Morales/C Iannetta).

Fielding
E - H Bailey (2, field).

Outfield assists - D Stubbs.

Rockies Batting
2B - S Smith (17, H Bailey).

HR - I Stewart (23, 8th inning off C Fisher 0 on, 0 Out).

S - S Smith, C Iannetta.

SF - T Helton.

RBI - T Helton 2 (77), T Tulowitzki (75), I Stewart (64).

2-out RBI - T Helton, T Tulowitzki.

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - C Gonzalez 1, T Tulowitzki 1, U Jimenez 2.

Team LOB - 9.

Fielding
E - S Smith (1, field).

DP - 2 (C Barmes-T Tulowitzki-T Helton, C Barmes-T Tulowitzki).

Pitching


IP H R ER BB K HR WHIP Season ERA
H. Bailey 5.2 5 1 1 5 6 0 1.54 5.60
N. Masset 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.03 2.67
A. Rhodes 1.0 2 2 2 1 1 0 1.10 2.76
C. Fisher 0.2 2 1 1 0 0 1 1.46 4.18 (L, 1-1)
D. Herrera 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.43 2.89


Colorado
IP H R ER BB K HR WHIP Season ERA
U. Jimenez 6.0 6 3 3 3 5 1 1.21 3.32
M. Daley 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1.16 3.70
R. Betancourt 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0.88 1.69 (W, 2-1)
F. Morales 1.0 2 0 0 0 1 0 1.13 2.67 (S, 4)


Pitches-strikes - H Bailey 117-71; N Masset 3-1; A Rhodes 21-13; C Fisher 12-8; D Herrera 2-2; U Jimenez 86-52; M Daley 10-8; R Betancourt 14-9; F Morales 15-7.

Ground balls-fly balls - H Bailey 4-6; N Masset 0-0; A Rhodes 1-1; C Fisher 1-1; D Herrera 0-1; U Jimenez 6-2; M Daley 2-0; R Betancourt 0-1; F Morales 2-0.

Batters faced - H Bailey 26; A Rhodes 6; C Fisher 4; D Herrera 1; U Jimenez 24; M Daley 3; R Betancourt 3; F Morales 4.

Tony Cloninger
09-07-2009, 07:18 PM
What is the big deal in calling out bad decisions...if they are clearly bad decisions? Not all of them are clearly that ...but not PH for WT Junior ..clearly was. It's the nitpicking on things that are not so clear cut or do not make any sense that get to people. Gomes not throwing out that runner...who was clearly above average fast and only maybe a Joe Ferguson type throw gets him...is nitpicking.

Spring~Fields
09-07-2009, 07:19 PM
I know Darnell stunk it up at the beginning of the season (and today for that matter), but he seems like an odd person to single out today. There were miscues up and down the roster. Since he got called up from Louisville in late August, McDonald has been hitting .333 (including today's oh-fer). Wlad, who several people wanted to see in that spot, is hitting .264 over that same timeframe. Sure, over the long haul, I prefer the upside of Balentien. But Darnell has played some very solid defense and, outside of today, he's been productive at the dish. Hard to really fault Dusty on letting Darnell play today and to bat there. (He did have Wlad in the ODC pinch hitting for Corky though)

Well if I was singling someone out it would be the one that made the decision to switch from Masset to the next guy, and the next, that seems to be where things bit the dust. Not necessarily the same guy that makes out lineups that produce so few runs. Heaven forbid. :p:

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 07:25 PM
Over his last four starts, Homer has compiled:

1P 25 (6+ AVERAGE)
H 23
R 5
ER 5
BB 12
SO 20
ERA 1.80

Not bad. Not bad at all. In those 4 games, the Reds are 3-1, with the loss being no fault of Homer's. I have to admit that I didn't think he'd ever pitch this well, but I'm glad he is.

VR
09-07-2009, 07:25 PM
I know Darnell stunk it up at the beginning of the season (and today for that matter), but he seems like an odd person to single out today. There were miscues up and down the roster. Since he got called up from Louisville in late August, McDonald has been hitting .333 (including today's oh-fer) 8 for 24. Wlad, who several people wanted to see in that spot, is hitting .264 (9 for 34) over that same timeframe. Sure, over the long haul, I prefer the upside of Balentien. But Darnell has played some very solid defense and, outside of today, he's been productive at the dish. Hard to really fault Dusty on letting Darnell play today and to bat there. (He did have Wlad in the ODC pinch hitting for Corky though)

Balentien has the possibility to be a bonafide major leaguer. McDonald....not so much. I'd rather see Balentien get every start the rest of the way out than run McDonald and his 'swing for the upper deck' hacks up there.
He did hit one to the upper deck this year, it's just the other 73 swings that he missed that I have a problem with.

Spring~Fields
09-07-2009, 07:25 PM
Yep. It went downhill once Homer started getting squeezed. The pen failed to produce which has been a VERY rare thing this season. The defense was poor, another pretty rare thing lately. Some mental errors (votto picked off second napping) & some questionable managing (I'm not counting the Stubbs bunting thing...I think he did that on his own) with the double steal there.

Wow that is quite a bit of stuff there, guess I will have to single out the manager and coaching after all. :evil:

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 07:26 PM
Well if I was singling someone out it would be the one that made the decision to switch from Masset to the next guy, and the next, that seems to be where things bit the dust. Not necessarily the same guy that makes out lineups that produce so few runs. Heaven forbid. :p:

You think it was a bad move to bring in Rhodes? He's been rock solid all season. It's certainly not Dusty's fault that he failed to get the job done. Same goes for Fisher.

As for the lineup...I actually liked the lineup today. I know many here don't like Paul's bat in the 2 hole, but for the past month or so he's been swinging a solid bat and getting the job done. And it's not the lineups that are the reason this club has scored so few runs this season. It's the hitters not producing. You can re-arrange .220 hitters all you want, they're still .220 hitters. I know you guys want high OBP guys at the top of the order...but here's the problem...Dusty doesn't have any of those to work with. If you want to point a finger...try pointing it at Walt if you ask me. But with the injuries we've been dealt...I don't know of ANY Gm who could've fixed it all.

Spring~Fields
09-07-2009, 07:30 PM
:)
You think it was a bad move to bring in Rhodes? He's been rock solid all season. It's certainly not Dusty's fault that he failed to get the job done. Same goes for Fisher.

As for the lineup...I actually liked the lineup today. I know many here don't like Paul's bat in the 2 hole, but for the past month or so he's been swinging a solid bat and getting the job done. And it's not the lineups that are the reason this club has scored so few runs this season. It's the hitters not producing. You can re-arrange .220 hitters all you want, they're still .220 hitters. I know you guys want high OBP guys at the top of the order...but here's the problem...Dusty doesn't have any of those to work with. If you want to point a finger...try pointing it at Walt if you ask me. But with the injuries we've been dealt...I don't know of ANY Gm who could've fixed it all.

You have some good points there.

I think it is the "Law Of Attractions". Dusty just attracts the wrong decision at the wrong time. Like attracting speed with the inability to get to first base. :)

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 07:30 PM
What is the big deal in calling out bad decisions...if they are clearly bad decisions? Not all of them are clearly that ...but not PH for WT Junior ..clearly was. It's the nitpicking on things that are not so clear cut or do not make any sense that get to people. Gomes not throwing out that runner...who was clearly above average fast and only maybe a Joe Ferguson type throw gets him...is nitpicking.

Everyone seems to be in a bad mood today. No tolerance here. Everything was Ok today and anyone who mentioned something they didn't see the same way was jumped on. That hasn't happened for a long time in game threads, but this one was the exception.

Spring~Fields
09-07-2009, 07:37 PM
Everyone seems to be in a bad mood today. No tolerance here. Everything was Ok today and anyone who mentioned something they didn't see the same way was jumped on. That hasn't happened for a long time in game threads, but this one was the exception.

Maybe it was because it seemed to be a game that they should have won.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 07:41 PM
Everyone seems to be in a bad mood today. No tolerance here. Everything was Ok today and anyone who mentioned something they didn't see the same way was jumped on. That hasn't happened for a long time in game threads, but this one was the exception.

Agreed. The ball just didn't bounce our way today and I guess we were just starting to get used to it doing so.

As for the poor attitude in the game thread, I'm blaming that on the conspicuous absence of Heather from the game thread. Yep, it's all her fault. :D

mth123
09-07-2009, 07:46 PM
You think it was a bad move to bring in Rhodes? He's been rock solid all season. It's certainly not Dusty's fault that he failed to get the job done. Same goes for Fisher.

As for the lineup...I actually liked the lineup today. I know many here don't like Paul's bat in the 2 hole, but for the past month or so he's been swinging a solid bat and getting the job done. And it's not the lineups that are the reason this club has scored so few runs this season. It's the hitters not producing. You can re-arrange .220 hitters all you want, they're still .220 hitters. I know you guys want high OBP guys at the top of the order...but here's the problem...Dusty doesn't have any of those to work with. If you want to point a finger...try pointing it at Walt if you ask me. But with the injuries we've been dealt...I don't know of ANY Gm who could've fixed it all.


I had to run a couple errands and missed a couple innings, but I saw Dusty's small ball tendancies cost the team three outs today. Stubbs and Rolen caught stealing and Stubbs useless bunt attempt.

This team doesn't get enough guys on base to be giving outs away. I don't think SBs are worth the risk unless there is a real high percentage guy. The problem with the running game is that there are maybe 5 guys in the majors who can really do it successfully and all the other wannabes are just hurting their teams.

As for the bunt, the bunt was a play that was invented to get something productive out of a hitter who is nearly an automatic out anyway. Its not a play to be employed by the top of the order and its not a play that the team's hottest hitter should be doing. If stubbs was successful, the Reds would have been up there with 2 outs and one of the weakest hitters in the game coming up to try to drive in the run. Stubbs popped it up and it looked bad, but even if it had worked it was still a bad play. And the idea of designing a line-up with a weak hitter in the 2 hole just so he can bunt if the occassion presents itself is insanity. Bunch the good hitters together and let them hit.

Spring~Fields
09-07-2009, 07:50 PM
I had to run a couple errands and missed a couple innings, but I saw Dusty's small ball tendancies cost the team three outs today. Stubbs and Rolen caught stealing and Stubbs useless bunt attempt.

This team doesn't get enough guys on base to be giving outs away. I don't think SBs are worth the risk unless there is a real high percentage guy. The problem with the running game is that there are maybe 5 guys in the majors who can really do it successfully and all the other wannabes are just hurting their teams.

As for the bunt, the bunt was a play that was invented to get something productive out of a hitter who is nearly an automatic out anyway. Its not a play to be employed by the top of the order and its not a play that the team's hottest hitter should be doing. If stubbs was successful, the Reds would have been up there with 2 outs and one of the weakest hitters in the game coming up to try to drive in the run. Stubbs popped it up and it looked bad, but even if it had worked it was still a bad play. And the idea of designing a line-up with a weak hitter in the 2 hole just so he can bunt if the occassion presents itself is insanity. Bunch the good hitters together and let them hit.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 07:54 PM
I had to run a couple errands and missed a couple innings, but I saw Dusty's small ball tendancies cost the team three outs today. Stubbs and Rolen caught stealing and Stubbs useless bunt attempt.

This team doesn't get enough guys on base to be giving outs away. I don't think SBs are worth the risk unless there is a real high percentage guy. The problem with the running game is that there are maybe 5 guys in the majors who can really do it successfully and all the other wannabes are just hurting their teams.

As for the bunt, the bunt was a play that was invented to get something productive out of a hitter who is nearly an automatic out anyway. Its not a play to be employed by the top of the order and its not a play that the team's hottest hitter should be doing. If stubbs was successful, the Reds would have been up there with 2 outs and one of the weakest hitters in the game coming up to try to drive in the run. Stubbs popped it up and it looked bad, but even if it had worked it was still a bad play. And the idea of designing a line-up with a weak hitter in the 2 hole just so he can bunt if the occassion presents itself is insanity. Bunch the good hitters together and let them hit.

I agree with you overall. But 2 things...we don't know for sure if the Stubbs steal was called for by the bench AND we don't know if the bunt by Stubbs was called for by the bench. I don't personally think EITHER of them were. The Rolen backhalf of the double steal...yep, bad move. I know he was trying to get out of the double play situation, but Rolen simply doesn't have the wheels for it.

mth123
09-07-2009, 08:04 PM
I agree with you overall. But 2 things...we don't know for sure if the Stubbs steal was called for by the bench AND we don't know if the bunt by Stubbs was called for by the bench. I don't personally think EITHER of them were. The Rolen backhalf of the double steal...yep, bad move. I know he was trying to get out of the double play situation, but Rolen simply doesn't have the wheels for it.

Maybe your right. Stubbs made two outs on the bases yesterday as well (a caught stealing and thrown out at home). I tend to think Dusty has his speedy new toy and is trying to use it.

Dusty isn't alone. A lot of Managers run too much and bunt too much because they want to feel like they are doing something IMO. Sitting back and waiting for the hitters to hit is probably a hard thing to do, but in many cases its probably the highest percentage option.

GAC
09-07-2009, 08:05 PM
All I can say is that I'm probably going to have to go on the IR list after pulling a back muscle coming up off the bed after Baker called for the dbl steal in the 9th. My Gawd! With Rolen on 1B??

Way to run yourself out of the inning and game Baker.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 08:09 PM
Well, they certainly didn't have the RUN sign on for Taveras most of the season. So I don't know about Dusty wanting to run his new toy as you put it. But if a guy is brought in to SPECIFICALLY be a basestealing threat, why oh why did Willy only attempt to steal 31 times all season. I'll NEVER understand that one. But I agree with you in general in regards to the overmanaging.

I have a feeling that they've just got a green light for certain guys. Not a great idea unless you've got the baserunning instincts of Henderson & Raines.

mth123
09-07-2009, 08:17 PM
Well, they certainly didn't have the RUN sign on for Taveras most of the season. So I don't know about Dusty wanting to run his new toy as you put it. But if a guy is brought in to SPECIFICALLY be a basestealing threat, why oh why did Willy only attempt to steal 31 times all season. I'll NEVER understand that one. But I agree with you in general in regards to the overmanaging.

I have a feeling that they've just got a green light for certain guys. Not a great idea unless you've got the baserunning instincts of Henderson & Raines.

I was going to make a crack about Taveras being on base so infrequently that he forgot how to be a good baserunner, but that would be piling on I suppose.

Oh look at that. It looks like I made that crack anyway.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 08:21 PM
All I can say is that I'm probably going to have to go on the IR list after pulling a back muscle coming up off the bed after Baker called for the dbl steal in the 9th. My Gawd! With Rolen on 1B??

Way to run yourself out of the inning and game Baker.
Of course, Dusty completely side-stepped the question in the post game interview. All he said was Phillips "had the green light and Rolen followed him." Huh?

WVRedsFan
09-07-2009, 08:28 PM
BTW, speaking of low OBP hitters at the top of the lineup, I noticed that Corey Patterson was leading off for Milwaukee with his shiny .105 oBP. Just proves that we aren't the only team with the crazy idea that speed kills.

GAC
09-07-2009, 08:38 PM
Of course, Dusty completely side-stepped the question in the post game interview. All he said was Phillips "had the green light and Rolen followed him." Huh?

So Rolen is actually a follower, and not a leader! :D

Typical Baker.

KoryMac5
09-07-2009, 09:04 PM
I like a little debate in the gamethread as long as it doesn't get out of hand or take away from the pbp. I may disagree from time to time with a post here and usually with clarification I can understand where the person is ultimately coming from. That's what keeps me coming back to RedsZone is that folks can share opinions with each other and make us better fans of Reds baseball. During the win streak the gamethreads have been a lot of fun so hopefully we can start a new streak tomorrow.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2009, 11:43 PM
I was going to make a crack about Taveras being on base so infrequently that he forgot how to be a good baserunner, but that would be piling on I suppose.

Oh look at that. It looks like I made that crack anyway.

LOL. I kinda knew that was coming, but you still get my point. Even when he was on base, he rarely ran...and when he did it wasn't in the right situation IMO.