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Newman4
09-09-2009, 01:54 PM
What would you do with Jonny Gomes this offseason if you're the Reds?

Farnsie
09-09-2009, 02:18 PM
Keep him!!! Simple as that... I don't see why not.

will5979
09-09-2009, 02:19 PM
offer a 2 year 2 million dollar contract, with a 100,000 signing bonus. He is worth having on a team, but not worth more than 1 mil per year.

Jefferson24
09-09-2009, 04:00 PM
18 homers in 233 at bats. If he gets 500 at bats he hits 38 homers. I think a 2 yr. deal for 2 million would be s steal. Look at what we are paying Taveras, look at what we paid Dunn.

I say pay him 2 or 3 million a season. His defense couldn't be any worse than Dunn's right?

I'm not suggesting that he could put up Dunn like numbers but I'm also not suggesting you pay him a Dunn like salary.

If the price is right, sign him.

mlh1981
09-09-2009, 04:48 PM
I like him, but lets be realistic. Is this just the case of a guy putting it together to have one year that is way out of the norm for him? He's really surprising lots of NL pitchers this year. There will be more of a scouting report on him next year. With that said, I like him, and his approach, but I'm not trying to get carried away.

I DO think in a full time role, that he could be a productive player, perhaps an above average one, but I don't see him as a 25/30 HR/100 RBI guy.

FlyerFanatic
09-09-2009, 05:05 PM
i dont think he gets 500 at bats with dusty leading the team anyways. if we can get him cheap, sure keep him, if not look elsewhere

Old NDN
09-11-2009, 09:33 AM
Keep him. Sure he has his drawbacks, but how do you replace his production? There must not be anyone in the minors or they would have been here by now. The Reds spent all off-season and this year trying to fill the offensive void in LF. They weren't willing to give up anything of value in rumored trades. I think Gomes has earned the opportunity to stay, whether it be starting or a role player. Great clubhouse guy and teammate, according to many. Pay the man. We could, and have, made worse decisions.

malcontent
09-11-2009, 05:39 PM
Re-sign him.

Oh. And fire Toothpick.

jmac
09-11-2009, 10:02 PM
If the Reds arent going to go out and get a big bat (which I doubt they will), then yeah...bring him back.
If he gets AB'S and Bruce hits better, then the middle of the lineup would be decent.
Top of the order will be the problem if it is Taveras : 1 and Janish : 2.

UPRedsFan
09-11-2009, 11:05 PM
Can anyone post his splits? Can he hit righties?

I'd keep him. At a minimum he's our right handed platoon guy. I'd plan to play him against left handers and sit Bruce or Dickerson.

Bill Slawski
09-12-2009, 01:55 AM
Splits for Jonny Gomes:

Games:

vs. left 37
vs. right 79

At Bats

vs. left 82
vs. right 154

Runs

vs. left 11
vs. right 22

Hits

vs. left 26
vs. right 40

Doubles

vs. left 5
vs. right 6

Triples

vs. left 0
vs. right 0

Home Runs

vs. left 5
vs. right 13

RBI

vs. left 17
vs. right 28

BB

vs. left 7
vs. right 15

K

vs. left 24
vs. right 56

SB

vs. left 1
vs. right 2

CS

vs. left 0
vs. right 1

AVG

vs. left .317
vs. right .260

OBP

vs. left .385
vs. right .333

SLG

vs. left .561
vs. right .552

OPS

vs. left .946
vs. right .885

Ghosts of 1990
09-12-2009, 09:19 AM
I dont know. He's been solid for sure, but do teams that depend on Johnny Gomes as an every day player for more then 1 year ever do anything? Shouldn't we aspire for more then Johnny Gomes? I'd say the odds of him repeating this year's success are long odds next year. I'd rather go with a young guy if he won't come back extremely cheap. And I'd expect him to price himself out of Cincinnati.

bellposter
09-13-2009, 10:10 AM
get rid of him lke cantu and then sign willy taveris brother

robmadden1
09-13-2009, 03:12 PM
CHICAGO -- Outfielder Jonny Gomes rebooted his career nicely with the Reds this season. But one of many offseason questions that will hover over the team is whether there will be a Gomes 2.0 season in Cincinnati in 2010.

If the Reds offered Gomes salary arbitration this winter, he would be fine with that.

"Sure I'd come back," Gomes said Sunday. "I haven't talked to my agent about it. I'm trying to keep my head down and finish these last 20 games."

Gomes started the season in Triple-A Louisville and was used sparingly when he first reached the Majors. That has made his numbers entering Sunday -- a .276 average with 19 home runs and 48 RBIs -- more remarkable because they came over just 243 at-bats.

"I wanted to get on track and back on the map," Gomes said. "I did have a couple of 20 homer seasons in the big leagues under my belt without a lot of at-bats. The other one where I didn't hit 20, I hit 17. Last year, I didn't have many at-bats.

"It worked out but not exactly ideal. A couple of people had to go down for me to get in there. The opportunity door opened for me, and I stuck my foot in there, and hopefully I turned some non-believers into believers."

Gomes, who made $600,000 in the Majors this season after he signed a Minor League contract to come to Spring Training, would like to get more playing time if he returns to the Reds.

"I think I've earned that opportunity," he said.

This season's numbers are on his side. The right-handed-hitting Gomes, who was knocked for not being as solid vs. righty pitching, has played well vs. right-handers (.255, 14 homers, 31 RBIs) and lefties (.317, five homers, 17 RBIs). He's one of the best clutch guys on the club with a .323 average with runners in scoring position.

"He's worked hard to get where he's back and is probably more appreciative," Reds manager Dusty Baker said. "He was a guy left off the World Series roster [by the Rays] last year, and he was trying to make a team this year. He's relatively young, and there's a whole lot left in there -- offensively and defensively."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090913&content_id=6936836&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&partnerId=rss_mlb

Captain Hook
09-15-2009, 01:02 AM
I think Gomes is our best option for LF next year.He has proven to be at the very least a average player out there even if you consider his D below average.He won't cost a ton of money and would almost certainly hit 30 HR next year if given over 400 ABs.The only question I'd have is if he could keep his average up over .250 if he did get that many chances.Either way the Reds don't have a ton of money to spend on a sure thing next year so Gomes is a good risk to take.

Ghosts of 1990
09-15-2009, 03:52 PM
I like him, but lets be realistic. Is this just the case of a guy putting it together to have one year that is way out of the norm for him? He's really surprising lots of NL pitchers this year. There will be more of a scouting report on him next year. With that said, I like him, and his approach, but I'm not trying to get carried away.

I DO think in a full time role, that he could be a productive player, perhaps an above average one, but I don't see him as a 25/30 HR/100 RBI guy.


+1

He'll price himself out of Cincinnati

Captain Hook
09-15-2009, 04:31 PM
+1

He'll price himself out of Cincinnati

What do you consider pricing himself out?If the Reds offer him arbitration he has to take it at this point.You don't think he would take a 2 year 6 mil contract?If he did you don't think he'd be worth it?I guess that these are questions the Reds have to deal with but if we have any guy playing in our OF right now deserving a decent contract it's Gomes.

nemesis
09-15-2009, 04:56 PM
What do you consider pricing himself out?If the Reds offer him arbitration he has to take it at this point.You don't think he would take a 2 year 6 mil contract?If he did you don't think he'd be worth it?I guess that these are questions the Reds have to deal with but if we have any guy playing in our OF right now deserving a decent contract it's Gomes.

Not if that 6 million could go towards affording a C like Benji Molina or a SS. We have more OF options right now than the Reds know what to do with... Balentien, Bruce, Stubbs, Dickerson, Francisco, Frazier, Heisey, Taveras, Dorn and thats not counting, if we keep Nix, Gomes or Dusty's boy McD. Why waste $3mil a year on a postion of surplus?

Captain Hook
09-15-2009, 05:06 PM
Not if that 6 million could go towards affording a C like Benji Molina or a SS. We have more OF options right now than the Reds know what to do with... Balentien, Bruce, Stubbs, Dickerson, Francisco, Frazier, Heisey, Taveras, Dorn and thats not counting, if we keep Nix, Gomes or Dusty's boy McD. Why waste $3mil a year on a postion of surplus?

Because none of those guys have proven that they can produce like Gomes can at the big league level with Bruce maybe being the exception.If you can look at 8 different guys(excluding Bruce)and add up their career HRs and they don't equal 1 guys current season total you might want to consider keeping that 1 guy.

CesarGeronimo
09-15-2009, 07:14 PM
Because none of those guys have proven that they can produce like Gomes can at the big league level with Bruce maybe being the exception.If you can look at 8 different guys(excluding Bruce)and add up their career HRs and they don't equal 1 guys current season total you might want to consider keeping that 1 guy.

C'mon, how can Gomes be described as proven. On a team that hits as atrociously as the Reds do this year, he wasn't even good enough to make the club out of spring training. :rolleyes:

nemesis
09-15-2009, 07:41 PM
Because none of those guys have proven that they can produce like Gomes can at the big league level with Bruce maybe being the exception.If you can look at 8 different guys(excluding Bruce)and add up their career HRs and they don't equal 1 guys current season total you might want to consider keeping that 1 guy.

Well how in the heck do these players prove themselves if you continue to sign journymen like Gomes who ends up blocking them... ????

Hey here ya go... Taveras is proven... Should we start him over Stubbs next year just because he is proven???

Im not keeping that 1 guy if he cost more than the league minimum. There are to many options at that postion with way better gloves and LONG TERM upside.

Captain Hook
09-15-2009, 07:52 PM
Well how in the heck do these players prove themselves if you continue to sign journymen like Gomes who ends up blocking them... ????

Hey here ya go... Taveras is proven... Should we start him over Stubbs next year just because he is proven???

Im not keeping that 1 guy if he cost more than the league minimum. There are to many options at that postion with way better gloves and LONG TERM upside.

Balentien, Bruce, Stubbs, Dickerson, Francisco, Frazier, Heisey, Taveras, Dorn.If you pick five of these 9 guys to be our OF in 2010 you are pretty much giving the Reds the worst OF in baseball.

vottofan4life
09-15-2009, 07:55 PM
I bet the only OF's that return next year are Jay Bruce,Gomes,Dickerson

Captain Hook
09-15-2009, 08:36 PM
I bet the only OF's that return next year are Jay Bruce,Gomes,Dickerson

I hope your right.I think those 3 are the only OFs that we are sure are big league talent.There are a few others of the current bunch that have potential but starting 2010 we can't worry about blocking a young guy until he proves that he is ready to take over.When injuries happen and they will, the others will get their chance and when they do they need to step up and prove they belong.We have seen Stubbs do ok but we certainly don't want to just hand him the job based on what we've seen this year.

gedred69
09-15-2009, 08:56 PM
I think a Gomes/Dorn, Lefty/Righty sounds cheap and promising. 35+ HRs, 100RBIs, and a .270+ Avg. (from Dorn at least, if not Gomes as well).

corwinator3407
09-19-2009, 05:45 PM
get rid of him lke cantu and then sign willy taveris brother

Are you okay?

bellposter
09-19-2009, 08:03 PM
taveris is incredible he does not clog up the bases he saves wood by not using the tarnishing the wood by contacting a fast moving sphere, he takes circuitous routes to baseballs reminscent of vasco da gama, the reds need to try to establish an outfield of corey patterson, taveris, and possibly cecil espy for next year

vottofan4life
09-20-2009, 12:37 PM
Gomes should be everyday started next year in left field

Francisco will be backup lf and 3b.

Stubbs and Dickerson will be cf.

Taveras and Arroyo to Cubs for Zambrano?

Bruce will be in right field of course

Rotation will be
Homer Bailey
Johnny Cueto
Aaron Harang
Acquire Starter
Matt Maloney

1B Joey Votto
2B----I'm thinkin its orlando hudson
SS----Thinkin also Phillips is moved to ss
3b---Rolen
C--Hanigan/Hernandez will be brought back for cheap

Bullpen-
CL Cordero
Nick Masset
Herrera
Rhodes
Owings
Viola
--acquired reliever

Fisher and Burton will get traded away