Bengals vs. The Packers

[KoryMac5]

Please post comments about the game here today.

Good looking opening drive by the Bengals. Coles with his first TD after three drops last week. Benson running well so far.

[KoryMac5]

7-7 as the Pack marches back. Rodgers to Driver from three yds out.

[KoryMac5]

After a Palmer INT, Grant runs it in from 4 yds out 14-7 Pack.

[KoryMac5]

Bengals marching down the filed again. Benson looking good so far today.

[guttle11]

The INT was all around stupid. Palmer made a mistake, but they never should have been passing there to begin with. The o line is dominating on running plays and Benson is running very well. Ride that puppy, Brat.

[KoryMac5]

Bengals drive stalls after 2 penalties set them back. Bengals punt. 14-7 Pack in 2nd QTR.

[KoryMac5]

Bengals D holds on 3rd and 2 Pack punts. Should get good field position here.

[KoryMac5]

Nice return for the Cosby Show gets it down into the Redzone of the Pack!

[KoryMac5]

Palmer with the TD as he sneaks it in! 14-14 ball game.

[KoryMac5]

GB challenging the play.

[guttle11]

Cosby is going to return more than one punt for a TD this year I think. He looks very dangerous when the punter out kicks the coverage by just a couple of yards.

This TD has to stand up, I'd think. It looked close, but how in the world can they get a good look through all those bodies?

[KoryMac5]

Play stands not enough evidence to overturn 14-14 good game so far.

[guttle11]

Rey Rey with the sack! Nice.

[KoryMac5]

Rey Rey with the sack! Nice.

Nice shot on Rodgers as he came in off the edge unblocked.

[KoryMac5]

Sloppy game so far lots of flags flying. Pack punts Bengals have it at their own 40.

[guttle11]

Palmer sacked on first down. RUN THE BALL! It's working.

[guttle11]

Woodson gets a pick six.

Run the friggin ball already. For crying out loud.

[KoryMac5]

Pick 6 for the Pack. Woodsen burned Palmer their. Carson telegraphed that one.

[KoryMac5]

21-14 GB lead swings momentum back to the Pack.

[guttle11]

I fail to see what is so complicated about running the football when it's working tremendously. Two times they've started a drive by throwing, two picks leading directly to 2 TDs. Two drives lead by running the ball, two TDs for the offense. Maybe I'm just stupid.

[KoryMac5]

Definitely should have run the ball on the play Palmer got sacked. Keep pounding it on first down.

[KoryMac5]

3rd and 29 for the Bengals. Story of our lives.

[KoryMac5]

3rd and 34 now after a delay of game.

[guttle11]

Good job Daniel Coats! Fumbles the ball forward and Coles gets it, allowing the Bengals to pick up a 3rd and 34.

Wow.

[KoryMac5]

Believe it or not Coats picked up the first down on a TE screen.

[guttle11]

Trickeration! Flea flicker and a roughing penalty make it first and goal!

Unreal.

[KoryMac5]

Bengals at the 5 yd line after a flea flicker to OchoCinco and a penalty.

[KoryMac5]

Sloppy game the penalty ydg for both teams is unreal.

[WVRed]

Sometimes I really feel like we are watching the overall implosion of Carson Palmer. Some of the decisions made in this game really baffle me.

Then a turn of luck on the fumble recovery and a flea flicker and the Bengals are in scoring position.

I'm starting to wonder why Bratkowski still has a job.

[KoryMac5]

21-21 game as Palmer finds slim in the back of the endzone.

[guttle11]

Antwan Odom has been a nice little surprise so far. Big sack, his 3rd in less than two games.

[KoryMac5]

Odom with a BIG SACK! 3rd of the season for him.

[KoryMac5]

Antwan Odom has been a nice little surprise so far. Big sack, his 3rd in less than two games.

I think gaining some lbs has helped him.

[guttle11]

Tremendous job by the D line. Sack by Odom, then tons of pressure on Rodgers forcing a 55 yard FG out of what was looking like a TD drive.

[KoryMac5]

Pack trying for a 55 yd FG. Cosby has a big leg.

NO GOOD! Score remains 21-21

[guttle11]

And he missed it!

21-21 at half. That feels like a moral victory. We get the ball after half.

[KoryMac5]

Zimmer needs to crank it up in the 2nd half.

[Playadlc]

It's critical for us to win the turnover battle in the 2nd half. Being -2 and having the score tied at half is huge. Getting the ball to start the half is nice.

[KoryMac5]

Bengals need to stop the sloppy play, turnovers and penalties.

[KoryMac5]

Bengal drive stalls, Huber pins the Pack at the 4 yd line.

[KoryMac5]

Odom with another Sack!

[KoryMac5]

Rey Rey causes the fumble, Bengals football!

[KoryMac5]

Bengals continue to march down the field. Benson with 107 yds rushing.

[Ibleedblue]

Man, that's twice in this drive we should have had a TD.

[KoryMac5]

Ocho Cinco with the TD and the Leap! 28-21 Bengals.

[RedsBaron]

On the replay of the TD and Chad's Lambeau Leap, I noticed one Green Bay fan signaling with his middle finger that Chad was number one. ;)

[KoryMac5]

Bengal D needs to tighten up!

[KoryMac5]

End of the 3rd 28-21 Bengals.

[KoryMac5]

Pack on the move at the Bengals 40.

[KoryMac5]

12 penalties for 95 yds against the Bengals.

[Ibleedblue]

Stupid, stupid penalty followed up by ANOTHER sack for Odom!

[KoryMac5]

Odom with another big sack!!!

[KoryMac5]

Love having Chris Johnson on my FF team.

[Ibleedblue]

Wow, fully expected the first down there, we seem to be better at stopping 3rd and 2-4 better than stopping 3rd and long.

[KoryMac5]

Bengals need to eat some clock and get a score.

[KoryMac5]

Penalties continue to kill this team today.

[KoryMac5]

Bengals shy by 2 yds, Huber to punt.

[Ibleedblue]

Odom with ANOTHER freakin sack!

[KoryMac5]

Odom with his 4th sack of the day. He has been a monster today!

[KoryMac5]

Geathers pasted Rodgers that time, what a hit!

[guttle11]

Can you be a Pro-Bowler based on the first two games of the season? Odom is asking that question. Straight beast!

[KoryMac5]

Bengals with the ball 7:58 left in the 4th.

[KoryMac5]

Big 3rd down for the Bengals here 3 and 2.

[Ibleedblue]

WOW great run by Benson there, I thought he would be taken down for sure.

[KoryMac5]

Big play by Benson, watch out when he squares his shoulders.

[KoryMac5]

Kurt Warner 24/26 passing today, WOW!

[Brutus]

If the Bengals continue to get this kind of production from the running game, and pressure from the defense, this team really does have a chance to be real, real good this year. Even despite the fluke loss last week (and the offense didn't really do much for three quarters), I was still somewhat impressed with certain facets of the team. I really would like to see this team pull this game out. It could mean a lot.

[KoryMac5]

4th and 1 play. I would go here.

[Ibleedblue]

Terrible call to punt it there, we didn't even pin them back with it, so what was the point?

[KoryMac5]

Pack has to go 85 yds for the tie as Huber hits a nice punt. Still would have gone for it.

[Ibleedblue]

Another sack!! Wow!!

[KoryMac5]

5 sacks for ODOM!!!

[KoryMac5]

The Cosby Show Baby! Nice return of 31 yds.

[Ibleedblue]

Hold on... did the Bengals just make a dominant stand on D in the 4th quarter, then return a punt into GB territory? This can't be my Bengals.

[KoryMac5]

Woodson saved a first down there. Graham needs to seal the deal here.

[KoryMac5]

Graham hits the FG 31-21 Bengals.

[KoryMac5]

Williams delivers the KO!!! Ouch.

[KoryMac5]

Pack hits a FG 31-24 now, onside kick coming.

[Ibleedblue]

Did our guys realize they needed to pick the ball up? My classic Bengals are back. :rolleyes:

[KoryMac5]

Pack recovers, positive thoughts.

[KoryMac5]

36 seconds left 4 down time for the Pack

[Jack Burton]

Pack recovers, positive thoughts.

Posted in the other thread, ridiculous.

[Ibleedblue]

Here we go... They are in striking distance now. I'm calling it, OT is coming.

[KoryMac5]

16 tics left for the Pack.

[Ibleedblue]

Whew! Crazy ending... At least we got the W this week.

[Jack Burton]

Whew, great game by the Bengals. Dominated really. Benson ran hard all game, impressive.

[KoryMac5]

Looks like a Bengal win!!! WHHHHHHHHOOOOOHHHHOOOO!!!

[Reds Fanatic]

That last 2 minutes was torture. I thought they were about to blow it again. That is a big win at a very tough place to play. Odom should be defensive player of the week. He is off to an unbelievable start. 5 sacks today and 7 for the season.

[GIDP]

I think the words im looking for is holy and one we cant post here

[UKFlounder]

Well, the Who Deys sure are making games interesting this year.

They did enough to get it done today.

[KoryMac5]

Offense looked good Brat finally stayed with what worked.

[CTA513]

Still need to clean up the penalties and turnovers so you don't have to play in a close game like they did.

The defense played good again and only gave up 10 of those 24 points the Packers had.

[UKFlounder]

True point, but at least the 2nd half seemed a bit better than the first. Maybe that's a good sign


Still need to clean up the penalties and turnovers so you don't have to play in a close game like they did.

The defense played good again and only gave up 10 of those 24 points the Packers had.

[Playadlc]

Biggest win since....?

I'll say 06 when they beat Pittsburgh on the road, 28-20.

[traderumor]

This seems to be the most talented team they have had since the playoff year. The Oline was my primary concern between another mediocre year and a playoff run and they have been holding their own. I just love this front 7, not just the starters, but the depth, a rare commodity for the Bengals.

[joshnky]

This seems to be the most talented team they have had since the playoff year. The Oline was my primary concern between another mediocre year and a playoff run and they have been holding their own. I just love this front 7, not just the starters, but the depth, a rare commodity for the Bengals.

That was a good Packers team that a lot of people picked for the Super Bowl and the Bengals just handled them. When you consider that Palmer made some uncharacteristic mistakes and the number of Bengals penalties this could have been a blow out for the Bengals.

I'm cautiously excited about the rest of the year. Pittsburgh should provide a measuring stick for where this team is. Can Benson get his yards against that D?

[joshnky]

One other thing, barring injury this is a team that should get better as the year goes on. The offensive line will begin to gel, Andre Smith will work his way into the rotation, and Palmer should shake off the rust and begin to click with Coles.

[traderumor]

That was a good Packers team that a lot of people picked for the Super Bowl and the Bengals just handled them. When you consider that Palmer made some uncharacteristic mistakes and the number of Bengals penalties this could have been a blow out for the Bengals.

I'm cautiously excited about the rest of the year. Pittsburgh should provide a measuring stick for where this team is. Can Benson get his yards against that D?If the last two weeks have taught you nothing, you ought to know that "cautiously excited" is wise for mental health, regardless of the talent any given season ;)

[Brutus]

One other thing, barring injury this is a team that should get better as the year goes on. The offensive line will begin to gel, Andre Smith will work his way into the rotation, and Palmer should shake off the rust and begin to click with Coles.

Andre Caldwell seems to be having other ideas on Coles. Though I fully expect Laverneous to get things going at some point, I really like the Ochocinco-Henry-Caldwell trio right now.

If the running game keeps clicking like this, the Bengals have a chance to do things.

[Chip R]

When's the last time the Reds and Bengals won on the same day?

[OnBaseMachine]

When's the last time the Reds and Bengals won on the same day?

Funny you should ask, I was just reading Lance's blog and come across this:

Updating: Bengals and Reds win on same day
Stat of the day from listener Wally
How rare is it for the Reds and Bengals to win on the same day?
According to Wally it has happened just 12 times since 1990.
5 times with preseason win for Bengals and regular season win for Reds
8/20 2009, 8/13 2006, 8/19 2005, 8/9 2002, 8/19 2000
7 times with a regular season win for Reds and Bengals
9/20 2009, 9/10 and 9/24 2006, 9/11 2005, 10/25 2004, 9/6 1992 and 9/23 1990.

http://www.1530homer.com/pages/lancesBlog.html

[WVRed]

If not for Palmer's two INT's that led to TD's, the score would have been 31-7.

Beggars can't be choosers I guess.

[Brutus]

If not for Palmer's two INT's that led to TD's, the score would have been 31-7.

Beggars can't be choosers I guess.

Beggars can.

Bengals fans can't.

:beerme:

[Matt700wlw]

Bring the Steelers. Let's roll!!

[HeatherC1212]

I'm SO glad the Bengals got the win today! I was at a birthday party for my two little cousins and my entire family was all watching the game together. I can't post the comments that were going around by my uncles and cousins (swear words were used a lot, LOL ;)) but suffice it to say we were all stunned the Bengals didn't totally flub up the ending of this game, LOL :laugh:

BTW-I got a ticket to the Bengals-Steelers game next weekend thanks to a friend who will be out of town. It's my first ever NFL game and I am SOOO excited! :D

[Degenerate39]

When's the last time the Reds and Bengals won on the same day?

When was the last time the Bengals won by 7 points and the Reds won by 7 runs on the same day?

[bucksfan2]

Its evident how Palmer is shaking off the rust through the first 2 games of the season. He was poor last week, and made two awful throws, as well as being on a different page with Chad open deep. He shows why he is a good QB, but he is still shaking off the rust.

I really like this defense. The DLine is the best I have seen in my lifetime. They are getting pressure on the QB and knocking the QB down. It shouldn't hurt the D that Palmer had a pick 6 and a pick that was taken back to the 5 yard line. Their weakness is the 3rd CB spot and I wouldn't be surprised if they pick up a 3rd QB soon. I like Crocker and Williams, but they have no business covering slot receivers.

Its nice to have a punter who can actually punt.

Ray Maualuga is the first defensive difference maker the Bengals have had in a while. As the season goes along he will become a beast.

[traderumor]

This looks like a talented team who should challenge for a playoff spot, the second time in five years. Mike Brown is the de facto GM, as it seems that Hard Knocks only confirmed. What to make of this?

[Boss-Hog]

This looks like a talented team who should challenge for a playoff spot, the second time in five years. Mike Brown is the de facto GM, as it seems that Hard Knocks only confirmed. What to make of this?
Let's see if they actually make the playoffs first (which I'm not counting on, though I do agree this year's team is more talented than the past few years, but I still don't care for the offensive line). If they do make the playoffs this year and if you're asking whether Mike Brown deserves credit for a whopping two playoff appearances in 18 years as the "de facto GM", absolutely not in my book. In a league built on parity, that speaks for itself, as far as I'm concerned.

[traderumor]

Let's see if they actually make the playoffs first (which I'm not counting on, though I do agree this year's team is more talented than the past few years, but I still don't care for the offensive line). If they do make the playoffs this year and if you're asking whether Mike Brown deserves credit for a whopping two playoff appearances in 18 years as the "de facto GM", absolutely not in my book. In a league built on parity, that speaks for itself, as far as I'm concerned.Except there are clearly two Mike Brown eras, before Marvin & after Marvin. After Marvin, clearing all of the debris for "character issues" and the like, there has been some level of competence attained. This year's team has a lot of new personnel on D making a difference and the offense is healthy and full of tools. Parity didn't do much for the before Marvin era, BTW.

Honestly, I think Mikey is making better personnel decisions, and that although he may ultimately be "in charge," that he has and is listening to folks who actually know what an NFL talent looks like.

And my comment is only directed at the clear upgrade in talent that is dramatically evident, esp. on D. Not printing playoff tickets yet, just happy that a solid NFL roster has been put together again this season.

[Boss-Hog]

Except there are clearly two Mike Brown eras, before Marvin & after Marvin. After Marvin, clearing all of the debris for "character issues" and the like, there has been some level of competence attained. This year's team has a lot of new personnel on D making a difference and the offense is healthy and full of tools. Parity didn't do much for the before Marvin era, BTW.

Honestly, I think Mikey is making better personnel decisions, and that although he may ultimately be "in charge," that he has and is listening to folks who actually know what an NFL talent looks like.

And my comment is only directed at the clear upgrade in talent that is dramatically evident, esp. on D. Not printing playoff tickets yet, just happy that a solid NFL roster has been put together again this season.
Maybe so, but I don't think the decade+ prior to Marvin's hire should be ignored - he was the person ultimately responsible for hiring and firing the previous head coaches (Shula, Coslet and LeBeau). Even with Marvin coming aboard, it's not as if they're turned into some sort of power house; they're made one playoff appearance in his six full seasons and have a losing record overall. I understand that it's been much more like NFL-caliber football since he took over, but compared to the previous regimes, that's not saying much.

Respectfully, I disagree with you that parity didn't exist prior to around the time Marvin took over in 2003. The NFL has always promoted it, but particularly with the salary cap and losing teams getting higher draft picks, there's no reason a team should have the record of futility that the Bengals have accumulated under Mike Brown's watch.

[traderumor]

Maybe so, but I don't think the decade+ prior to Marvin's hire should be ignored - he was the person ultimately responsible for hiring and firing the previous head coaches (Shula, Coslet and LeBeau). Even with Marvin coming aboard, it's not as if they're turned into some sort of power house; they're made one playoff appearance in his six full seasons and have a losing record overall. I understand that it's been much more like NFL-caliber football since he took over, but compared to the previous regimes, that's not saying much.

Respectfully, I disagree with you that parity didn't exist prior to around the time Marvin took over in 2003. The NFL has always promoted it, but particularly with the salary cap and losing teams getting higher draft picks, there's no reason a team should have the record of futility that the Bengals have accumulated under Mike Brown's watch.I didn't say parity didn't exist, I said that it didn't help the Bengals then, so why is it a contributing factor now?

[Sea Ray]

When was the last time the Bengals won by 7 points and the Reds won by 7 runs on the same day?

It's been years since the two teams even won on the same day

[Boss-Hog]

I didn't say parity didn't exist, I said that it didn't help the Bengals then, so why is it a contributing factor now?
For the reason you mentioned above: while the way the organization does business still leaves a ton to be desired, Marvin Lewis is a clear upgrade over his three predecessors. I do believe that Brown seeks input from his coaches on personnel decisions, but therein lies the problem: I believe coaches should coach, not also have scouting responsibilities.

[joshnky]

I do believe that Brown seeks input from his coaches on personnel decisions, but therein lies the problem: I believe coaches should coach, not also have scouting responsibilities.

I'd be shocked if there was a team in the league that didn't involve the coaches in personnel decisions. Ultimately, they have to coach the player so they should have a say in personnel. It only becomes an issue with some of the coach/gm combos that do it all, a la Mike Shanahan.

[KoryMac5]

The Pittsburgh game will tell us a lot in a few days.

[Yachtzee]

I think slowly Mike Brown has been finding the right coaches to run this team. Marvin Lewis did a lot to change the attitude and inherited a solid offense to make his first playoff run. Unfortunately, they had to deal with some turnover on offense without a corresponding boost in the D. However, I think they've finally got the talent and, most importantly the coach in Mike Zimmer who can turn what has traditionally been the Bengals' weakness into their strength. While I'm not ready to crown them playoff hopefuls yet, I like what I see. Man it's good to see a Bengals front seven play like they have so far.

[Yachtzee]

For the reason you mentioned above: while the way the organization does business still leaves a ton to be desired, Marvin Lewis is a clear upgrade over his three predecessors. I do believe that Brown seeks input from his coaches on personnel decisions, but therein lies the problem: I believe coaches should coach, not also have scouting responsibilities.

I'm with you on scouting. I'm fine with coaches doing some scouting outside the season, but during the season, you need scouts watching players play on the field while your coaches are coaching.

[SunDeck]

This team is only 2-0 right now. They have a long way to go to convince me that they are a winner and while I remain upbeat about what they have done to improve their ability to move the line in the correct direction, I still a team that is capable of beating itself soundly.

Luckily, the Steelers defense is looking a little less imposing without Polamalu.

[HeatherC1212]

This team is only 2-0 right now. They have a long way to go to convince me that they are a winner and while I remain upbeat about what they have done to improve their ability to move the line in the correct direction, I still a team that is capable of beating itself soundly.

Luckily, the Steelers defense is looking a little less imposing without Polamalu.

Which team are you talking about? Both the Steelers and Bengals are currently 1-1. :confused:

[Boss-Hog]

I'd be shocked if there was a team in the league that didn't involve the coaches in personnel decisions. Ultimately, they have to coach the player so they should have a say in personnel. It only becomes an issue with some of the coach/gm combos that do it all, a la Mike Shanahan.
Respectfully, I'd be shocked to hear of a team whose coaches are as active in a team's scouting process as the Bengals'. I agree with you that coaches on all teams have some input on personnel decisions, but I remember reading an interview with Ozzie Newsome where he was asked if he could imagine the Ravens employing a system like the Bengals and his response was essentially 'No way - coaches don't have time to do that. That's why we employ our scouts and front office personnel.' There's a reason this team has so few full time scouts relative to the rest of the league: it's because the coaches essentially double as scouts.

[GIDP]

from my pov the 2 weaknesses of this team are palmer and shane. I like our odds.

[macro]

Mike Brown is a blind squirrel, and we all know what they say about blind squirrels. He is running in circles in a forest full of competent GMs. Yes, he will find his nut once every 8-10 years, but meanwhile, the others are finding theirs on a regular basis.

Playoffs or not in 2009, Mike Brown still needs to go.

[SunDeck]

Sticking with the squirrel metaphor- I still have a feeling Mike couldn't find his nuts even with full sight.

[Redsfaithful]

The Packers game was fun. I'm not really going to bother looking from week to week anymore, I like football enough to where I'm going to keep watching, and I actually think this Bengals team is probably the best or second best that Marvin's had, but I just am trying very hard not to get my hopes up anymore.

The Bengals make me feel like Charlie Brown with Mike Brown as Lucy, always yanking away the football.