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reds1869
10-04-2009, 04:03 PM
The Bengals long snapper is absolutely terrible. His head is out of whack and we just can't afford the disasters he is bringing every week.

LoganBuck
10-04-2009, 04:18 PM
The Bengals long snapper is absolutely terrible. His head is out of whack and we just can't afford the disasters he is bringing every week.

He has the NFL equivalent of Steve Blass disease.

Ibleedblue
10-04-2009, 04:46 PM
Brad St. Louis needs to be gone yesterday. They probably could have trained an ape by now to long snap better then this guy.

traderumor
10-04-2009, 05:37 PM
eh, he's been doing it a long time well. Apparently has a case of the yips or shanks. However, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be replaced. Maybe he has carpal tunnel? :p:

GIDP
10-04-2009, 05:43 PM
He went from really good to bad pretty quickly.

Tony Cloninger
10-04-2009, 05:46 PM
Steve Sax had the disease......you could at least bench him from time to time. There is no way for him to hide. There has to be better LS out there.

BigPoppa
10-05-2009, 11:19 PM
Not to mention, he has kind of a porn star name anyway. :cool:

macro
10-08-2009, 02:31 PM
It looks like St. Louis will be snapping for the Bengals again this Sunday, but the team is working out other candidates. Could we see a change during the bye week?

traderumor
10-08-2009, 03:30 PM
Not to mention, he has kind of a porn star name anyway. :cool:And you don't? ;)

Yachtzee
10-08-2009, 05:10 PM
And you don't? ;)

Actually, his name is more of a Notorious B.I.G.-style hip-hop name.

"I love it when you call me Big Papa. . ."

BigPoppa
10-08-2009, 05:32 PM
And you don't? ;)


Actually, his name is more of a Notorious B.I.G.-style hip-hop name.

"I love it when you call me Big Papa. . ."



You're both right. :thumbup::beerme:

traderumor
10-08-2009, 06:49 PM
It looks like St. Louis will be snapping for the Bengals again this Sunday, but the team is working out other candidates. Could we see a change during the bye week?Maybe the competition will fix his case of the snapping yips. Bringing one skill to the table isn't very good for job security.

SeeinRed
10-09-2009, 10:43 AM
Maybe the competition will fix his case of the snapping yips. Bringing one skill to the table isn't very good for job security.

I was wondering if all this was just talk to light a fire under St. Louis to see if he can't fix what is going wrong. Hopefully for him he can. I doubt they bengals really want to bring someone else in at this point in the season if they an avoid it.

joshnky
10-09-2009, 10:53 AM
I was wondering if all this was just talk to light a fire under St. Louis to see if he can't fix what is going wrong. Hopefully for him he can. I doubt they bengals really want to bring someone else in at this point in the season if they an avoid it.

As bad as he has been at times this year, he has been an excellent snapper for many years. You'd also hate to bring unfamiliarity to the kicking combo mid-season. And, considering the importance of the punting game this year, he has been excellent on those snaps.

traderumor
10-09-2009, 01:22 PM
As bad as he has been at times this year, he has been an excellent snapper for many years. You'd also hate to bring unfamiliarity to the kicking combo mid-season. And, considering the importance of the punting game this year, he has been excellent on those snaps.Another thing to consider is that a snapper can be spared a lot of grief with an excellent holder, of which Huber does not appear to be. If it isn't right there, he doesn't appear to have the ability to save a bad snap.

SeeinRed
10-09-2009, 01:47 PM
Another thing to consider is that a snapper can be spared a lot of grief with an excellent holder, of which Huber does not appear to be. If it isn't right there, he doesn't appear to have the ability to save a bad snap.


I think it is all a rhythm issue. Huber seemed to be a good enough holder at UC for Jake Rogers. The whole unit needs some work. Hopefully they can get it all straightened out.

LoganBuck
10-09-2009, 01:51 PM
Another thing to consider is that a snapper can be spared a lot of grief with an excellent holder, of which Huber does not appear to be. If it isn't right there, he doesn't appear to have the ability to save a bad snap.

Did Huber hold at UC last year?

joshnky
10-09-2009, 01:52 PM
Another thing to consider is that a snapper can be spared a lot of grief with an excellent holder, of which Huber does not appear to be. If it isn't right there, he doesn't appear to have the ability to save a bad snap.

Agreed. St. Louis gets all the grief because Huber is having a good season punting the ball but it is the two in combination that are the issue. Then you also have to consider that the third member of this team, Graham, seems uncertain that the ball will be there and has mis-kicked several balls leading to blocks.

As others have said, the three just need to build rapport and a rhythm with one another.

reds1869
10-10-2009, 06:36 PM
Agreed. St. Louis gets all the grief because Huber is having a good season punting the ball but it is the two in combination that are the issue. Then you also have to consider that the third member of this team, Graham, seems uncertain that the ball will be there and has mis-kicked several balls leading to blocks.

As others have said, the three just need to build rapport and a rhythm with one another.

Huber and Graham don't snap it long and high. I agree that Huber is a poor holder and Graham has some confidence issues, but if St. Louis places the ball properly it is irrelevant.

paintmered
10-11-2009, 10:12 PM
Did Huber hold at UC last year?

Huber was the holder for several years at UC and I don't remember any time when he messed up in that role.

SeeinRed
10-12-2009, 09:51 AM
I don't understand the "Huber is a poor holder" sentiment. He did a good job at UC and he hasn't exactly botched any himself. The ones that were missed were bad snaps that shouldn't happen. Sure, I can remember one where Huber probably should've grabbed that could've prevented a huge loss of yards, but even that one I don't think would've been a successful attempt if he does grab it. He may not be a great holder, but when the snap is where it is supposed to be, he does his job. I don't think Huber gets a free pass on this at all. He's not great, but he isn't a poor holder either.

This is all on Brad St. Louis now. No if's and's or but's about that one. I've definately changed my opinion about this being an issue with the whole unit.

Having said that, I really hope Mr. St. Louis can find a job somewhere. There is little doubt that he has to be gone soon. I hate to see someone lose their job over something like he is going through right now. He has to feel absolutely terrible. Even so, this isn't a game where you can worry about hurting someone's feelings.

traderumor
10-12-2009, 09:59 AM
I don't understand the "Huber is a poor holder" sentiment. He did a good job at UC and he hasn't exactly botched any himself. The ones that were missed were bad snaps that shouldn't happen. Sure, I can remember one where Huber probably should've grabbed that could've prevented a huge loss of yards, but even that one I don't think would've been a successful attempt if he does grab it. He may not be a great holder, but when the snap is where it is supposed to be, he does his job. I don't think Huber gets a free pass on this at all. He's not great, but he isn't a poor holder either.

This is all on Brad St. Louis now. No if's and's or but's about that one. I've definately changed my opinion about this being an issue with the whole unit.

Having said that, I really hope Mr. St. Louis can find a job somewhere. There is little doubt that he has to be gone soon. I hate to see someone lose their job over something like he is going through right now. He has to feel absolutely terrible. Even so, this isn't a game where you can worry about hurting someone's feelings.I don't think Huber has been referred to as a poor holder, but he is inexperienced. My statement was that a good holder can help save some bad snaps.

joshnky
10-12-2009, 10:38 AM
I don't think Huber has been referred to as a poor holder, but he is inexperienced. My statement was that a good holder can help save some bad snaps.

And to add on to this, it is mostly that he is inexperienced with this unit.

Tony Cloninger
10-12-2009, 10:58 AM
I looked at my football guides from the last several years.....The Lindy's fotball forecast is pretty good and it shows comments next to the players on the rosters. If you
look at the years most of the long snappers have been in the NFL for the last few years....they usually range up towards 10+ years. It seems that while it
seems easy to do and you would figure a backup linemen should do it to save a roster spot....it obviously seems either harder to do than we think or it is
something written in the NFL coaching book....like going by the book in baseball...that you do not mess with your long snapper after the year starts or it is their lucky charm..
or something silly like that.

Patrick Mannelly--- 12 years (Bears)
Ethan Albright---- 14 years (Redskins)
Mike Schneck----- 11 years (Falcons)
Mike Leach ------ 10 years (Now with Arizona...replaced another long time vet who came in here....Nathan Hodel)
Chris Massey--- 8 years with the Rams (3rd longest tenure on the team)
Brian Jennings ----- 9 years (49ers)
James Dearth --- 9 years (Jets)
Justin Snow ------ 10 years (Colts)
Joe Zelenka ------ 11 years (Jaguars)
Ken Amato ------- 7 years (Titans....actually does play LB for them as well...more reliable than Ahmad Brooks)
Lonnie Paxton------ 10 years (The Broncos signed him away from the Patriots....which shows you how McDaniels values a LS that he saw as a coach)

And the winner is...... David Binn....16 years as LS.....plays for San Diego and he once dated Pamela Anderson.

reds1869
10-12-2009, 11:25 AM
Seeing Chris Massey's name brought back fond memories (I attended Marshall with him). Fun fact, he owns the original "General Lee" from Dukes.

It also made me think that my alma mater is something of a long snapper factory. Mike Bartrum was the game's best for years until he retired. What is up with that? :)

GIDP
10-12-2009, 12:00 PM
I didnt want to dump him but the last game sealed it. He really only has a job because the bengals have won 4 in a row.

TeamSelig
10-12-2009, 12:25 PM
I hate Brad St. Louis more than Cubs fans hate Steve Bartman

SeeinRed
10-12-2009, 03:20 PM
I don't think Huber has been referred to as a poor holder, but he is inexperienced. My statement was that a good holder can help save some bad snaps.



I agree that Huber is a poor holder


Thats what I was referring to. He was called a poor holder earlier in this thread. I agree with what you said.;)

SeeinRed
10-13-2009, 01:51 PM
Sounds like St. Louis will still be here judging from what Marvin said yesterday. It will be interesting to see for how much longer.

The Operator
10-13-2009, 04:45 PM
It's eventually going to cost them a game.

I'll be interested to hear what Marvin has to say (or what smart little holier-than-thou, "fans wouldn't understand" comeback he has) then.

reds1869
10-13-2009, 05:26 PM
Thats what I was referring to. He was called a poor holder earlier in this thread. I agree with what you said.;)

Yep, and I will stick by that statement. If the snap is right into his hands, he is great. If it is the slightest bit off or the laces need to be turned, he's in trouble. Obviously the bad snaps are not his fault. In all honesty, I think Jordan Palmer should be the holder. I've seen him do it very well in college and it raises at least the possibility of effective fakes.

CTA513
10-13-2009, 06:43 PM
I was looking for Bengals updates and Bengals.com just posted this:



St. Louis released

A 4-1 start marred by snafus in the field-goal operation that has cost the Bengals 11 points in a season they have won by an average of four points cost the long snapper his job Tuesday when the club cut Brad St. Louis after 10 seasons and 144 games.

The Bengals replaced him with Clark Harris, a first-year player who has four games of NFL experience, all at the end of last season with the Texans. After spending most of last season on their practice squad, the Texans released him on cut down day before this season started. The 6-5, 257-pound Harris spent another week on the practice squad before Houston cut him last week.

Chip R
10-13-2009, 06:47 PM
What is this world coming to? The Bengals releasing a player because of incompetence?

reds1869
10-13-2009, 10:01 PM
What is this world coming to? The Bengals releasing a player because of incompetence?

Next thing you know the Reds will dump WillyT. :pray:

Tony Cloninger
10-13-2009, 10:03 PM
I would rather that they had gone after a more experienced long snapper....but it is at least a good step.

Yachtzee
10-13-2009, 10:11 PM
I would rather that they had gone after a more experienced long snapper....but it is at least a good step.

I wonder how many experienced long snappers are on the market at this point. Seems to me that most teams hold on to their long snappers for years and years.

Tony Cloninger
10-13-2009, 10:52 PM
They brought one in who had some experience of more than 5 years....last week.

But yeah......like i posted about a page back.....most LS are pretty set with their teams for a few years.

WMR
10-13-2009, 11:01 PM
Hopefully this guy can come in, take the job, and run with it.

macro
10-13-2009, 11:22 PM
I don't think he can do any worse. I hope I'm right.

guttle11
10-13-2009, 11:23 PM
Welcome Clark Harris!

Hopefully that's the last time I read, see, or hear your name.

sonny
10-14-2009, 07:39 PM
St Louis was there for 10 years?! What a cake job this guys had. Probably never has to work again. What a way to go out though.