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travisgrimes
10-08-2009, 12:54 AM
After watching this Reds team perform in the last month of the season I feel pretty good saying we aren't THAT far away from being a contender. I still think we need a SS, a slugger, a catcher and another SP. Here are some moves I would like to see.

1. Cut Willy Taveras, let Ramon Hernandez walk, and permanently move Brandon Phillips to SS.

2. With the payroll how it is your going to have to deal one of three players: Bronson Arroyo, Aaron Harang, or Francisco Cordero. The guy with the most value and who I could tolerate losing would be Bronson Arroyo. The team who needs him and could give us a decent return would be the Texas Rangers. Arroyo for Saltalamacchia and a couple PTBNL sounds fair enough.

3. Now that we have our catcher, we need a 2B with Phillips moving to SS. A guy who is on the block is Dan Uggla. I could see a trade of Jared Burton, Matt Maloney, Chris Valaika and a PTBNL for Uggla working out well for both teams.

4. Sign some quality free agents without spending entirely too much money. IMO we would need 2 SP and a RP to be contenders. My picks are: Brandon Webb and Jon Garland. Webb is coming off an injury and will cheap to come by and Garland who has had a down year will be a quality arm for cheap as well. The reliever we need to add is Joaquin Benoit. I think Webb will garner maybe 5-6 mil a year and Garland possibly 7 with Benoit making about 5 mil a year as well.

Lineup:
1. CF Drew Stubbs
2. 2B Dan Uggla
3. 1B Joey Votto
4. SS Brandon Phillips
5. 3B Scott Rolen
6. RF Jay Bruce
7. LF Johnny Gomes/Juan Francisco (platoon)
8. C Jarrod Saltalamacchia
9. P

Rotation:
1. Johnny Cueto
2. Homer Bailey
3. Brandon Webb
4. Aaron Harang
5. Jon Garland

Bullpen:
Danny Herrera
Arthur Rhodes
Pedro Viola
Micah Owings
Joaquin Benoit
Nick Masset
Francisco Cordero

RedLakerFan24
10-08-2009, 01:15 AM
Trade Juan Francisco, Micah Owings, and Matt Moloney for Francisco Lariano and Carlos Gomez

Trade Bronson Arroyo for Stephen Drew

Sign John Maine (if mets cut him loose)

Line Up
1. Carlos Gomez CF
2. Stephen Drew SS
3. Joey Votto 1B
4. Brandon Phillips 2B
5. Scott Rolen 3B
6. Jay Bruce RF
7. Drew Stubbs LF
8. Ramon Hernandez C

Rotation
1. Johnny Cueto
2. Homer Bailey
3. Aaron Harang
4. Francisco Liriano
5. John Maine

Redsnake
10-08-2009, 08:51 AM
Without say we know the Reds will spend as little money as possible. There's no way the Reds pursue Type "A" Free Agents. So I was looking at some other Type "B". Here are a few names that I like and what I might do if I were GM.
Reds Needs: Catcher, SS/2B, LF, SP

Rod Barajas
Erik Bedard
Mike Cameron
Justin Duchscherer
Scott Eyre
Chone Figgins
Jon Garland*
Rich Harden
Bob Howry
Aubrey Huff
Brandon Lyon
Xavier Nady
Gary Sheffield
Brandon Webb*


The one player that intrigues me the most is Webb. Not to sure what the D-Backs plans are, but if the let him get away I hope the Reds make him there #1 target. My other top 3 targets would be Barajas, Bedard, Figgins and Nady. I believe the Reds liked what they seen late in the year with Bailey, Arroyo, Cueto and even Harang. If the Reds add Webb what does that mean if Edison is healthy and dominating AAA hitters in July?? That's when a trade might be likely.

As long as Nady is healthy he is my favorite low cost acqusition. He can play there all 3 OF positions. Hit for average, decent power and play defense.

I hold off trading away Alonso and Juan Francisco. After next year Rolen might leave. I like the idea of Juan playing in AAA all year once Rolen goes down with an injury (we know it will happen) Juan steps in and the Reds gain power in the lineup. Alonso needs to play a whole year before his future is decided.

As much as I would like to see the Reds get Figgins, at this point I have way to much money being spent as it is. So Frazier is my choice with an open minded Phillips willing to make the change to SS. All that needs to be done is Jocketty to tell Dusty it's not his decision.


Lineup:
CF - Stubbs
SS - Phillips
LF - Nady
1B - Votto
3B - Rolen
RF - Bruce
2B - Frazier
C - Hanigan

SP
Webb
Arroyo
Harang
Cueto
Bailey

RP
Burton
Masset
Rhodes
Viola
Fisher
Herrera
Cordero

Bench
Janish
Rosales
Taveras
Nix
Owings (RP)

RedLegsToday
10-09-2009, 12:48 PM
Trade Juan Francisco, Micah Owings, and Matt Moloney for Francisco Lariano and Carlos Gomez


Carlos Gomez? Carlos Gomez?!
The guy with the .246/.292./346 lifetime stats? The guy who regressed from an already pathetic line in '08 to .229/.287/.337 this year? Why not just keep the potential 40 homerun threat and let our homegrown centerfielder have a full season?

Ghosts of 1990
10-09-2009, 01:41 PM
The problem with these threads; and why I stopped making lineup projections and moves that I want to see, is that I feel like its a waste of breath because the organization seemingly NEVER does what I'd like to see. From free agent acquisitions (although I liked the Art Rhodes signing) to the lineup..... it's never going to be the way I want or what makes sense.

Taveras and Janish will probably be there and in the 1-2 hole next year, and Bruce will be in the 6 hole protecting Gomes or some fill in left fielder. They'll trot Arroyo and Harang out there 1-2 instead of Cueto/Bailey like they should. It's the Reds.

bounty37h
10-09-2009, 02:24 PM
F.O. already came out and said they dont vision being active on the free agent market this off season, dont see spending money to be a competive team.

Fon Duc Tow
10-09-2009, 05:17 PM
The Dead Red Bounce.

Hope springs eternal.

Ghosts of 1990
10-09-2009, 09:52 PM
Is it sad that as I watch the postseason; I can't wait for game #1 of our regular season 2010? sad.

Kingspoint
10-11-2009, 10:41 PM
"What to do in the off-season", you ask?

Pray "something happens" that causes Dusty Baker to no longer be a member of the Cincinnati Reds Ballclub.

Kingspoint
10-11-2009, 10:43 PM
Is it sad that as I watch the postseason; I can't wait for game #1 of our regular season 2010? sad.

Everything was so positive and upward from the day Castellini took over until the day Dusty Baker was hired. It's been bad ever since. There's been no progress since that day.

RedLakerFan24
10-15-2009, 02:59 AM
Trade Juan Francisco + Pedro Viola + Chris Valaika for Reid Brignac
Trade Francisco Cordero for Milton Bradley
Trade Micah Owings + Chris Heinsey for Jarold Stalmachia

1. CF Drew Stubbs
2. 2B Brandon Phillips
3. 1B Joey Votto
4. LF Milton Bradley
5. 3B Scott Rolen
6. RF Jay Bruce
7. SS Reid Brignac
8. C Jarold Stalmachia

Starters
Johny Cueto
Homer Bailey
Aaron Harang
Bronson Arroyo
Travis Wood/Matt Moloney

bounty37h
10-15-2009, 09:36 AM
Trade Juan Francisco + Pedro Viola + Chris Valaika for Reid Brignac
Trade Francisco Cordero for Milton Bradley
Trade Micah Owings + Chris Heinsey for Jarold Stalmachia

1. CF Drew Stubbs
2. 2B Brandon Phillips
3. 1B Joey Votto
4. LF Milton Bradley
5. 3B Scott Rolen
6. RF Jay Bruce
7. SS Reid Brignac
8. C Jarold Stalmachia

Starters
Johny Cueto
Homer Bailey
Aaron Harang
Bronson Arroyo
Travis Wood/Matt Moloney

OMG, HUGE he__ no to Bradley, I dont want him anywhere near this team, walking timebomb.

RedLakerFan24
10-15-2009, 05:13 PM
OMG, HUGE he__ no to Bradley, I dont want him anywhere near this team, walking timebomb.

Well Im Just Bored, i was thinking if Dusty was still here he could Control Him a little Bit, just like Texas Did, and he could improve our line up if he returns to his All Star Form

indyredleg
10-17-2009, 11:20 PM
Well Im Just Bored, i was thinking if Dusty was still here he could Control Him a little Bit, just like Texas Did, and he could improve our line up if he returns to his All Star Form

I doubt anyone will ever be able to control that guy ever again. Dusty would just try and be his buddy and that would end badly.

Alpha Zero
10-20-2009, 08:06 AM
The Reds aren't going to spend much at all this off season, so I think the best that we can hope for is a trade for a young up-and-coming SS (like Brignac or Brandon Wood). I'd also like to see the Reds sign Kelly Shoppach if he's non-tendered to help solidify the catching situation.

As far as the OF goes, I'm actually okay with standing pat. I'd like to see Heisey and Dickerson split time in LF with Heisey assuming a more prominent role in the platoon if he shows that he's the real deal as the season progresses. Stubbs and Bruce would fill out the outfield with Balentien remaining on as the fifth OF. Taveras should be released, and Frazier can marinate in AAA until he's needed.

RedLakerFan24
10-20-2009, 01:06 PM
1. CF Drew Stubbs
2. LF Chris Heisey
3. 1B Joey Votto
4. 2B Brandon Phillips
5. 3B Scott Rolen
6. RF Jay Bruce
7. SS Reid Brignac
8. C Ryan Hanigan

urdun
10-20-2009, 03:18 PM
In a nutshell? Improve RS without harming the RA too much if at all, ideally improve both but that would probably cost us too much considering the financial situation the club seems to find itself in.

Fix the glaring black hole that is the OBP% of the #1 and 2 holes. Adding a SS who can help in this way is paramount. Y. Escobar, M. Izturis, J. Reyes, S. Drew, C. Barmes, Hardy, Tejada, Crosby in that order is my preference I think. A Dickerson/Stubbs platoon should probably get 1st crack at CF, followed closely by a Dickerson/Heisey platoon should the former not work out. Not sure about what to do with LF, Gomes/Francisco seems to be the way the organization is leaning but IMO that would be a mistake. I'd go with Nix/Gomes in a worst case scenario 1st. Starting pitcher would be nice but not likely very doable. Re-sign Ramon Hernandez after turning down his option. If not him then maybe Josh Bard.

SullyGator
10-21-2009, 11:19 PM
Unfortunately I don't see much signing going on this offseason :(. It's already been stated there are money issues.

I like the idea of resigning Hernandez - I think Hanigan needs a little bit more time before he's a full-time starter. Ramon improved down the stretch so I think he'll be decent next year.

I don't see them doing much about starters - Volquez will come back eventually, and Castellini probably doesn't want to shell out a bunch of money. My early guess is that Owings will be the 5th starter. That leaves Cueto, Harang, Bailey, and Arroyo. My guess is if Volquez comes back before anyone else gets injured that he'll take over Owings' spot.

Obviously I'd like to see Taveras gone. My life would be 10% happier :thumbup:.

vottofan4life
10-22-2009, 05:25 PM
I say Paul Janish, Mike Lincoln, Willy Taveras, Travis Woods and Aaron Harang for Russel Martin and Juan Pierre

Sam Lecure and Chris Valaika for JJ Hardy

Sign Brandon Webb
Lineup
CF Stubbs/Pierre
LF Heisey/Dickerson
1B Joey Votto
C Russel Martin
3B Scott Rolen
RF Jay Bruce
2B Brandon Phillips
SS JJ Hardy
P

SP Rotation
Bailey
Webb
Arroyo
Cueto
Maloney,Lehr, Volquez(when he comes back)

RedLakerFan24
10-23-2009, 02:40 AM
I say Paul Janish, Mike Lincoln, Willy Taveras, Travis Woods and Aaron Harang for Russel Martin and Juan Pierre

Sam Lecure and Chris Valaika for JJ Hardy

Sign Brandon Webb
Lineup
CF Stubbs/Pierre
LF Heisey/Dickerson
1B Joey Votto
C Russel Martin
3B Scott Rolen
RF Jay Bruce
2B Brandon Phillips
SS JJ Hardy
P

SP Rotation
Bailey
Webb
Arroyo
Cueto
Maloney,Lehr, Volquez(when he comes back)

I would rather bat Phillips 4th than Russel Martin, Martin hits into a ton of DP , and i also believe Arizona is going to Re-Sign Webb so he wont be available

urdun
10-23-2009, 05:07 AM
I say Paul Janish, Mike Lincoln, Willy Taveras, Travis Woods and Aaron Harang for Russel Martin and Juan Pierre

Sam Lecure and Chris Valaika for JJ Hardy

Sign Brandon Webb
Lineup
CF Stubbs/Pierre
LF Heisey/Dickerson
1B Joey Votto
C Russel Martin
3B Scott Rolen
RF Jay Bruce
2B Brandon Phillips
SS JJ Hardy
P

SP Rotation
Bailey
Webb
Arroyo
Cueto
Maloney,Lehr, Volquez(when he comes back)

Oh boy not Pierre, that's like Taveras part duex only more expensive. I like Martin and now would be a good time to buy low on him he had a down season. I like the idea of doing something with the Dodgers they have a lot of talent. But don't know what makes sense for the Dodgers that also makes sense for the Reds. Harang doesn't look to be a good fit at this point for them.

BEETTLEBUG
10-23-2009, 05:30 AM
That is too much for Martin and no I don't want Juan either.

Vottomatic
10-24-2009, 04:23 AM
1. Trade Alonso, Harang, Valaika to the Mets for SS Jose Reyes. The Mets ended the season with 3 starting pitchers on the longterm DL. They need starting pitching. They also need a first baseman and will need a future SS to replace Reyes. Harang+Alonso make $13.5M next season and Reyes makes $9.5M. This equals a savings of $4M. Reyes has a career batting average of .286 and his an OBP over .350 the past 4 seasons, along with over 300 stolen bases, while only turning 27 years old next season. I realize he's coming off an injury, but he did return to the field at the end of the season. Many Reds observers have soured on Harang, as he posts a mid-4.00 e.r.a. Mets first baseman, Carlos Delgado spent nearly the entire season on the DL with a hip impingement, and turns 38 soon. Mets should be looking for a quality first baseman to replace him (Alonso). Alonso is blocked by Votto ahead of him anyway.

2. Trade Cordero for anything to free up $12.125M. I like CoCo, but his salary doesn't fit our small market team. Closer by committee starting with Masset, Rhodes, and Herrera.

3. Trade Juan Francisco, Enerio Del Rosario, Danny Dorn, Travis Wood, and Logan Ondrusek to the Padres for first baseman Adrian Gonzalez. Francisco is the Reds best minor league power hitter and should probably end up being a first baseman anyway. He could be their replacement for Gonzalez. Rosario has flown through the minors posting improving numbers all along the way. Ondrusek has flown through the minors with dominating numbers also, and is currently the Reds best relief prospect. Dorn has potential but has nowhere to go with the glut of OFers the Reds have. Wood is the best minor league starting pitcher the Reds have and is on the verge of the majors right now. 5 quality prospects. Gonzalez gives the Reds the legitimate power hitter they need, and he's only 27 years old. He has averaged 32 HR's and 100 rbi over the past 4 season with a career batting average of .277. He had a career year this past season while hitting on a bad offensive team. He is due to make approximately $5M this next season and $5.5M in '11.

3. Move Votto to LF to make room for Gonzalez.

4. Re-sign Hernandez at a lower deal, possibly $2M.

Savings of $4M in Reyes for Harang/Alonso deal. Savings of $12M by trading Cordero. Add $5M by trading for Gonzalez. Sign Hernandez = $2M or more. Approximate savings of $9M or maybe less if Hernandez requires more.

CF Stubbs
SS Reyes
LF Votto
1B Gonzalez
3B Rolen
RF Bruce
2B Phillips
C Hanigan/Hernandez

Stubbs and Reyes make a dangerous pair of speedsters at the top of the lineup. Phillips can steal a base or two also.

Votto, Gonzalez, Bruce could all hit 25 to 40 HR's. Phillips could hit 20-25 HR's. Rolen might still have it in him with this lineup.

Starting pitching:
Arroyo - wish he could pitch an entire season like his second half.
Cueto - good when not overworked
Bailey - might be our best pitcher
Maloney - LH Arroyo
Lehr - no worse than Owings

Edit:
You could avoid #3 if the Reds were willing to move Votto to LF and put Francisco on 1B. I think Juan would thrive at 1B, and I think Joey would be fine in LF. Juan would be the future power hitter and you could avoid trading all that talent away, namely Travis Wood and Del Rosario. Lance Berkman bounced from OF to 1B all through his career. Joey could do it.

Alpha Zero
10-24-2009, 09:05 AM
I'd have to pass on Reyes. He's far too injury prone for my tastes, especially considering the talent that the Reds would have to give up to get him. As far as Adrian Gonzalez goes, I'd love to have him since I think he'd be an absolute monster in GABP, but the reality is that The Reds would have to give up a ton to get him and probably wouldn't be able to sign him long term.

I still say the strategy should be to go after Brignac. Upgrading at SS makes this team significantly better. I think that some combination of Dickerson, Heisey, and Balentien can approximate a good LF. Gomes should be traded, and Stubbs and Bruce should be given the lion's share of the innings in CF and RF, respectively. If the Reds want to sign a cheap SP for insurance, that's fine by me as well.

Again, I think that may be the best strategy given the Reds' budget constraints. SS must be priority number one, and I'll consider this off season a failure if the Reds can't acquire someone to at least compete with Janish for the position.

Vottomatic
10-24-2009, 10:33 AM
I'd have to pass on Reyes. He's far too injury prone for my tastes, especially considering the talent that the Reds would have to give up to get him. As far as Adrian Gonzalez goes, I'd love to have him since I think he'd be an absolute monster in GABP, but the reality is that The Reds would have to give up a ton to get him and probably wouldn't be able to sign him long term.

I still say the strategy should be to go after Brignac. Upgrading at SS makes this team significantly better. I think that some combination of Dickerson, Heisey, and Balentien can approximate a good LF. Gomes should be traded, and Stubbs and Bruce should be given the lion's share of the innings in CF and RF, respectively. If the Reds want to sign a cheap SP for insurance, that's fine by me as well.

Again, I think that may be the best strategy given the Reds' budget constraints. SS must be priority number one, and I'll consider this off season a failure if the Reds can't acquire someone to at least compete with Janish for the position.

Reyes didn't become a starter until 2005 when he turned 22 years old. He was a utility infielder in 2003 and 2004. His 2005 - 2009 games played each season:

2005 161
2006 153
2007 160
2008 159
2009 36 - was injured most of the season but did return and played at the end of the season.

Injury prone?

Vottomatic
10-24-2009, 10:41 AM
3. Trade Juan Francisco, Enerio Del Rosario, Danny Dorn, Travis Wood, and Logan Ondrusek to the Padres for first baseman Adrian Gonzalez. Francisco is the Reds best minor league power hitter and should probably end up being a first baseman anyway. He could be their replacement for Gonzalez. Rosario has flown through the minors posting improving numbers all along the way. Ondrusek has flown through the minors with dominating numbers also, and is currently the Reds best relief prospect. Dorn has potential but has nowhere to go with the glut of OFers the Reds have. Wood is the best minor league starting pitcher the Reds have and is on the verge of the majors right now. 5 quality prospects. Gonzalez gives the Reds the legitimate power hitter they need, and he's only 27 years old. He has averaged 32 HR's and 100 rbi over the past 4 season with a career batting average of .277. He had a career year this past season while hitting on a bad offensive team. He is due to make approximately $5M this next season and $5.5M in '11.

3. Move Votto to LF to make room for Gonzalez.

CF Stubbs
SS Reyes
LF Votto
1B Gonzalez
3B Rolen
RF Bruce
2B Phillips
C Hanigan/Hernandez


Edit:
You could avoid #3 if the Reds were willing to move Votto to LF and put Francisco on 1B. I think Juan would thrive at 1B, and I think Joey would be fine in LF. Juan would be the future power hitter and you could avoid trading all that talent away, namely Travis Wood and Del Rosario. Lance Berkman bounced from OF to 1B all through his career. Joey could do it.

Instead of trading and giving up alot of talented prospects for Gonzalez, just stick Francisco at 1B, allowing you to keep Travis Wood, Rosario, Andrusek. You can never have enough pitching, nor do you know which guy will emerge.

CF Stubbs
SS Reyes
LF Votto
3B Rolen
1B Francisco
2B Phillips
RF Bruce
C Hanigan/Hernandez

Speed at the top of the order, and the #3 thru #7 hitters all have pop in their bats.

I like it.

Arroyo
Cueto
Bailey
Maloney
Wood or Lehr

Alpha Zero
10-24-2009, 11:33 AM
I could be wrong, but I thought that Reyes battled leg problems throughout the 2008 season but didn't actually go onto the DL because he was in a pennant race. However, looking at his SB totals from that year, it doesn't seem like it bothered him all that much. Still I'm a bit wary of picking up a guy like Reyes after he has suffered through some leg injuries. Speed is half of his game as far as I'm concerned.

I guess I'm partial to Brignac (or someone like him) because I think he's a clear upgrade to Janish, won't cost too much in terms of prospects, and will be cheap for the next 3 years or more.

Vottomatic
10-24-2009, 02:14 PM
I could be wrong, but I thought that Reyes battled leg problems throughout the 2008 season but didn't actually go onto the DL because he was in a pennant race. However, looking at his SB totals from that year, it doesn't seem like it bothered him all that much. Still I'm a bit wary of picking up a guy like Reyes after he has suffered through some leg injuries. Speed is half of his game as far as I'm concerned.

I guess I'm partial to Brignac (or someone like him) because I think he's a clear upgrade to Janish, won't cost too much in terms of prospects, and will be cheap for the next 3 years or more.

The problem with prospects is that you have to keep them on the 40 man after 4 or 5 years, or they become rule 5 draft casualties.

For instance, look at the glut of OFers the Reds have at the major and minor league level. Bruce, Stubbs, Tavares, Dickerson, Gomes, Balentien, Heisey, Dorn, and now Francisco. Doesn't even include Darnell McDonald and Laynce Nix. I think we can all agree that Bruce has RF locked up and Stubbs has CF locked up unless they stumble. Heisey's minor league and AFL numbers are making him look like another Joey Votto type player. Also, management is trying Francisco out in LF in the AFL. What to do with all these prospects?

Going position by position, Votto and Phillips have 1B and 2B locked up. Rolen is a stopgap for another season at 3B, and the only minor league prospect possibly ready to replace him is Todd Frazier. Zach Cozart is the most likely SS prospect unless Valaika rebounds this upcoming season.

I just think with so many major league positions locked up by mostly young players that the Reds need to consider trading some of these prospects with nowhere to go, to fill our remaining needs.

Ghosts of 1990
10-24-2009, 03:57 PM
I say Paul Janish, Mike Lincoln, Willy Taveras, Travis Woods and Aaron Harang for Russel Martin and Juan Pierre



They wouldn't do that haha

Alpha Zero
10-24-2009, 04:27 PM
The problem with prospects is that you have to keep them on the 40 man after 4 or 5 years, or they become rule 5 draft casualties.

For instance, look at the glut of OFers the Reds have at the major and minor league level. Bruce, Stubbs, Tavares, Dickerson, Gomes, Balentien, Heisey, Dorn, and now Francisco. Doesn't even include Darnell McDonald and Laynce Nix. I think we can all agree that Bruce has RF locked up and Stubbs has CF locked up unless they stumble. Heisey's minor league and AFL numbers are making him look like another Joey Votto type player. Also, management is trying Francisco out in LF in the AFL. What to do with all these prospects?

Going position by position, Votto and Phillips have 1B and 2B locked up. Rolen is a stopgap for another season at 3B, and the only minor league prospect possibly ready to replace him is Todd Frazier. Zach Cozart is the most likely SS prospect unless Valaika rebounds this upcoming season.

I just think with so many major league positions locked up by mostly young players that the Reds need to consider trading some of these prospects with nowhere to go, to fill our remaining needs.

I agree with you to an extent. At some point you have to take your excess prospects and cash them in or risk losing them. I have no problem with that, but I also think that the Reds need to be particularly cautious with how they spend their prospects. There are some good players in the Reds' system, but they aren't particularly deep at very many positions outside of the OF.

I guess it boils down to the fact that I don't like Reyes quite as much as you, and if I'm going to blow my wad of prospects, I want it to be for a guy who I think is a great fit for my team. Reyes could be that guy, but I'm not really sure.

RedLakerFan24
10-24-2009, 04:43 PM
Ok guys i dont know if its possible, but what about Grady Sizemore, I Feel the Indians are rebuilding and they want to rebuild quick, whould you tade Stubbs + Wood + Frazier fo Sizemore? than we can trade for JJ Hardy, maybe Harang for JJ Hardy, After that trade Matt Moloney + Chris Valaika for Francisco Liriano

1.CF Grady Sizemore
2.SS JJ Hardy
3.1B Joey Votto
4.2B Brandon Phillips
5.3B Scott Rolen
6.RF Jay Bruce
7.LF Chris Hiesey
8.C Ramon Hernandez

1. Johny Cueto
2. Homer Bailey
3. Bronson Arroyo
4. Francisco Liriano
5. FA or Micah Owings

Alpha Zero
10-24-2009, 05:00 PM
Ok guys i dont know if its possible, but what about Grady Sizemore, I Feel the Indians are rebuilding and they want to rebuild quick, whould you tade Stubbs + Wood + Frazier fo Sizemore? than we can trade for JJ Hardy, maybe Harang for JJ Hardy, After that trade Matt Moloney + Chris Valaika for Francisco Liriano


I wouldn't mind giving up Valaika and Maloney for Liriano, but what's with the obsession with this guy? He hasn't ever thrown more than 140 innings in a season and really only had one good year (2006). He might benefit from a move to the NL, but I'm not sure that he's much of an upgrade over what we've already got.

Also, I like Sizemore a lot, but I'd much rather save the prospects and stick with an outfield of Bruce/Stubbs/Heisey and see what happens. If the Reds are going to blow some prospects in the off season, they need to use them to obtain a cornerstone player at the SS position.

If the outfield is still an issue at the AS Break and the Reds are in contention (and I believe they will be if they get a real SS), they can use some of their remaining prospects to pick up a corner OF. It's much easier to pick up a corner guy before the deadline than it is to get a legitimate SS.

Vottomatic
10-24-2009, 05:02 PM
I don't understand the obsession with JJ Hardy.

Alpha Zero
10-24-2009, 05:12 PM
I don't understand the obsession with JJ Hardy.

I'd agree with you on that. On the one hand, I do believe that Hardy is an above average SS (offensively and defensively) who is durable. There's definitely value in that, but I don't really think that Hardy is an impact type of player.

RedLakerFan24
10-26-2009, 04:14 AM
Someone on the ORG posted a Marcier Izturis + Brian Fuentes for Francisco Cordero, i think it works for both sides, we get a SS, and a closer

1. Drew Stubbs
2. Marcier Izturis
3. Joey Votto
4. Brandon Phillips
5. Scott Rolen
6. Jay Bruce
7. Johny Gomes
8. Ramon Hernandez

Vottomatic
10-26-2009, 08:20 AM
I'm not totally opposed to that trade. Fuentes makes $9M in both '10 and '11 (vesting option). His numbers are very good and it saves $3M over Cordero.

According to Cot's baseball contracts, Izturis is not signed for '10, so he should be a free agent. He made $1.6M last season.

It is more of a money saving trade than anything. Izturis doesn't excite me at SS.

bounty37h
10-27-2009, 11:46 AM
1. Trade Alonso, Harang, Valaika to the Mets for SS Jose Reyes. The Mets ended the season with 3 starting pitchers on the longterm DL. They need starting pitching. They also need a first baseman and will need a future SS to replace Reyes. Harang+Alonso make $13.5M next season and Reyes makes $9.5M. This equals a savings of $4M. Reyes has a career batting average of .286 and his an OBP over .350 the past 4 seasons, along with over 300 stolen bases, while only turning 27 years old next season. I realize he's coming off an injury, but he did return to the field at the end of the season. Many Reds observers have soured on Harang, as he posts a mid-4.00 e.r.a. Mets first baseman, Carlos Delgado spent nearly the entire season on the DL with a hip impingement, and turns 38 soon. Mets should be looking for a quality first baseman to replace him (Alonso). Alonso is blocked by Votto ahead of him anyway.

2. Trade Cordero for anything to free up $12.125M. I like CoCo, but his salary doesn't fit our small market team. Closer by committee starting with Masset, Rhodes, and Herrera.

3. Trade Juan Francisco, Enerio Del Rosario, Danny Dorn, Travis Wood, and Logan Ondrusek to the Padres for first baseman Adrian Gonzalez. Francisco is the Reds best minor league power hitter and should probably end up being a first baseman anyway. He could be their replacement for Gonzalez. Rosario has flown through the minors posting improving numbers all along the way. Ondrusek has flown through the minors with dominating numbers also, and is currently the Reds best relief prospect. Dorn has potential but has nowhere to go with the glut of OFers the Reds have. Wood is the best minor league starting pitcher the Reds have and is on the verge of the majors right now. 5 quality prospects. Gonzalez gives the Reds the legitimate power hitter they need, and he's only 27 years old. He has averaged 32 HR's and 100 rbi over the past 4 season with a career batting average of .277. He had a career year this past season while hitting on a bad offensive team. He is due to make approximately $5M this next season and $5.5M in '11.

3. Move Votto to LF to make room for Gonzalez.

4. Re-sign Hernandez at a lower deal, possibly $2M.

Savings of $4M in Reyes for Harang/Alonso deal. Savings of $12M by trading Cordero. Add $5M by trading for Gonzalez. Sign Hernandez = $2M or more. Approximate savings of $9M or maybe less if Hernandez requires more.

CF Stubbs
SS Reyes
LF Votto
1B Gonzalez
3B Rolen
RF Bruce
2B Phillips
C Hanigan/Hernandez

Stubbs and Reyes make a dangerous pair of speedsters at the top of the lineup. Phillips can steal a base or two also.

Votto, Gonzalez, Bruce could all hit 25 to 40 HR's. Phillips could hit 20-25 HR's. Rolen might still have it in him with this lineup.

Starting pitching:
Arroyo - wish he could pitch an entire season like his second half.
Cueto - good when not overworked
Bailey - might be our best pitcher
Maloney - LH Arroyo
Lehr - no worse than Owings

Edit:
You could avoid #3 if the Reds were willing to move Votto to LF and put Francisco on 1B. I think Juan would thrive at 1B, and I think Joey would be fine in LF. Juan would be the future power hitter and you could avoid trading all that talent away, namely Travis Wood and Del Rosario. Lance Berkman bounced from OF to 1B all through his career. Joey could do it.

errr, never mind, I re-read what you had proposed and saw I had missed something.

mound_patrol
10-27-2009, 12:23 PM
Someone on the ORG posted a Marcier Izturis + Brian Fuentes for Francisco Cordero, i think it works for both sides, we get a SS, and a closer

1. Drew Stubbs
2. Marcier Izturis
3. Joey Votto
4. Brandon Phillips
5. Scott Rolen
6. Jay Bruce
7. Johny Gomes
8. Ramon Hernandez

I also like this trade idea. I'd rather trade Cordero to the Angels without having to take Fuentes but I doubt they'd trade for Cordero without unloading Fuentes' contract.

As far as the offseason goes. I don't see us making any free agent moves outside of resigning Hernandez or a backup catcher. If we add a player it'll be through trades.

vottofan4life
11-08-2009, 11:51 AM
I think out of the Big 3 Harang needs to be the one traded and he should go back to his hometown for SP Chris Young straight up

Then i have also heard the rumor about trading taveras and lincoln over to the white sox for linebrink..Why not?that sounds like a great trade and linebrink can take over weathers spot from last year.


After that put a strong package together of Nick Masset,Chris Dickerson,Juan Francisco, Matt Maloney, and Chris Valaika over to either the Braves for Yunel Escobar and Jair Jurrjens or over to the Rays for Reid Brignac and BJ Upton or over to D-Backs for Stephen Drew and Chris Young.....Upton or Young could play left field for us

Vottomatic
11-08-2009, 11:28 PM
I think out of the Big 3 Harang needs to be the one traded and he should go back to his hometown for SP Chris Young straight up

Then i have also heard the rumor about trading taveras and lincoln over to the white sox for linebrink..Why not?that sounds like a great trade and linebrink can take over weathers spot from last year.


After that put a strong package together of Nick Masset,Chris Dickerson,Juan Francisco, Matt Maloney, and Chris Valaika over to either the Braves for Yunel Escobar and Jair Jurrjens or over to the Rays for Reid Brignac and BJ Upton or over to D-Backs for Stephen Drew and Chris Young.....Upton or Young could play left field for us

I see no reason to trade for an outfielder, nor do I think those teams would part their OFers. We have Stubbs, Bruce, Dickerson, Tavares (hopefully gone), possibly Gomes, Balentien, Heisey, Francisco (learning LF), and even Danny Dorn.............plus I thought you were giving up too much.

Redsfan320
11-09-2009, 07:57 AM
I like this rumor of a ChiSox trade. Not because we need another OF, but because anything's better than Taveras and Lincoln.

flash
11-09-2009, 08:53 AM
I would like to see the Reds make a trade with the Twins to pick up either Morlales or Wilson Ramos. The twins are loaded with starting catchers. Mauer, Rosales and now here comes Ramos who tore up the Eastern League this past year and now is tearing up the Vennezuela Winter league. Thetwins look weak at second and third, and maybe with a fourth outfielder. Neither Morales or Ramos will be cheap to obtain, but the Reds could offer a combination of Francisco, Sutton, Heisey or Fraizer. The reds could also ask for Steve Singleton who looks like he might be a pretty good SS based on his AA performance and the Arizona league this year.

I am not saying offering everyone, but the Reds and Twins could help each other a lot.

BEETTLEBUG
11-09-2009, 09:14 AM
I would like a deal with Twins based around Liriano coming this way since he had off year and could use a change of venue.