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wolfboy
10-11-2009, 01:12 PM
Huge game for both teams. So far, so good on the first drive down the field. Chad has had a few impressive catches. Let's see if they can put some points on the field.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 01:16 PM
I think that might be it for Brad St. Louis. You can't afford to waste a great drive like that.

Yachtzee
10-11-2009, 01:17 PM
I think that might be it for Brad St. Louis. You can't afford to waste a great drive like that.

Another bad snap?

Cooper
10-11-2009, 01:18 PM
Brad St. Louis is the Willy T of the Bengals.

HeatherC1212
10-11-2009, 01:19 PM
Was that really that bad of a snap or did someone get a hand on that ball? It looks like the ball was set there for Shayne to kick but it went weird in the air somehow.

This is going to be a LONG game which is why I'm not watching it and just checking in from time to time, LOL :laugh:

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 01:24 PM
Another bad snap?

It was a high snap for sure. Huber did a good job of getting it down, but I think someone got a hand on it.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 01:25 PM
Brad St. Louis is the Willy T of the Bengals.

Except that Brad St. Louis was good once upon a time.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 01:28 PM
BIG INT by Joseph!!

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 01:36 PM
Bengals looking like they can move the ball a bit on the Ravens.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 01:40 PM
Ed Reed needs to send Carson an X mas card.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 01:52 PM
Huber did another good job of reeling it in. Ravens 7, Bengals 3.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 01:53 PM
Two excellent drives, 3 points. Can't win games like that.

HeatherC1212
10-11-2009, 01:56 PM
The pregame show called the Bengals the 'Cardiac Cats' and I'm not going to argue with that at all after four games. These guys sure know how to give their fans heart failure! I'd almost prefer this game to be a blowout one way or the other so I can relax a little bit, LOL :laugh:

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 01:58 PM
Bengals D holds, good field position for them at their own 40.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:00 PM
Benson looks really good so far.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:02 PM
Coats was wide open and let one go right through his hands. Lots of mistakes today.

Hoosier Red
10-11-2009, 02:03 PM
I'm not sure I like punting there but at least we have a punter who can pin the Ravens back.

WMR
10-11-2009, 02:04 PM
Catch the bleeping ball!!!!!!!

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 02:04 PM
I may have gone for it there, but Huber does do a nice job.

Hoosier Red
10-11-2009, 02:08 PM
I'm following on game cast what's the delay? Was there an injury?

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 02:09 PM
Close to being a fumble there. Marvin challenging the ruling on the field.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:10 PM
Well, the call on the field was a fumble by Clayton. Ndukwe picks it up and takes it in for six. Ravens are challenging that Ndukwe was down by contact (although the fumble call seemed awfully close to me).

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:10 PM
Scratch that.....official called it down by contact. Lewis challenges that the ball was out.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:11 PM
The (later revised) ruling on the field stands. Ravens keep the ball. :thumbdown

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 02:14 PM
Bengals D looking stout today. Playing very well for coach Zimmer.

CTA513
10-11-2009, 02:19 PM
Another big mistake gives the Ravens the ball.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:19 PM
Chad is holding this team back. Big time.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 02:22 PM
Chad is holding this team back. Big time.

He's the only receiver getting open consistently today. Ed Reed made a great play to punch the ball out.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 02:23 PM
Best I have seen the D look this season. Big sack by Dhani!

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 02:25 PM
7-3 Ravens at the half.

CTA513
10-11-2009, 02:25 PM
The Bengals should have a big lead right now instead its 7-3 Ravens.

Hoosier Red
10-11-2009, 02:26 PM
Chad is holding this team back. Big time.

That's a curious thing to say, he's got 5 catches for 75 yards. He's having a decent season. Has he done anything else to "hold the team back?"

Why did Marvin call time out at the end of the half? All it did was give Baltimore one more shot at the endzone.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:27 PM
He's the only receiver getting open consistently today. Ed Reed made a great play to punch the ball out.

I'll change my mind once Chad blocks, runs his routes, and doesn't let the ball bobble around in his one arm as he's running down field. Reed made a good play, but Chad sure helped him out.

7-3 at half time doesn't really tell the story of this game. A lot of big mistakes for both teams.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:29 PM
That's a curious thing to say, he's got 5 catches for 75 yards. He's having a decent season. Has he done anything else to "hold the team back?"

Why did Marvin call time out at the end of the half? All it did was give Baltimore one more shot at the endzone.

Chad is a very talented receiver. No question there. When this offense misfires, it's often because Chad's head isn't in the game.

joshnky
10-11-2009, 02:29 PM
Reed made a good play, but Chad sure helped him out.

That happens all the time, especially with Ed Reed.

This team would be nowhere this season without Chad. He has been Carson's go-to receiver and has made the plays when he needed to.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:31 PM
That happens all the time, especially with Ed Reed.

This team would be nowhere this season without Chad. He has been Carson's go-to receiver and has made the plays when he needed to.

Feel free to pile on. I still stand by what I said.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 02:33 PM
I think Chad is playing pretty hard today. I see him running good routes out there and blocking downfield for Benson. Plus he has 5 for 75 today. He definitely should secure the ball better but he isn't the only one making mistakes today. Carson telegraphed that int. to Reed for 6, Coats dropped a sure TD, and JJ should have had a TD in the endzone.

On the bright side the Bengals have moved the ball very well against the Ravens D, hopefully they don't make the right adjustments at halftime.

joshnky
10-11-2009, 02:35 PM
Feel free to pile on. I still stand by what I said.

I've felt the same way as you in recent years and even sometimes this year. But this game is one that I have to disagree with you.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 02:35 PM
Feel free to pile on. I still stand by what I said.

Not piling on in anyway, I just don't see a lot of facts to back up your statements today. Seems to be more subjective than objective. After Chad's behavior last season I can see a lot of reasons to not like his game. Just not seeing it so far this season.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:39 PM
I've felt the same way as you in recent years and even sometimes this year. But this game is one that I have to disagree with you.

I agree he's had a good game today. One mistake doesn't negate that. Sorry. I meant more about the season as a whole. He had two great TD catches in the Cleveland game, but he ran some really bad routes in key situations. Marvin even mentioned as much in his pregame show today. I'm not talking about cutting bait with Chad. He just needs to get his head in the game. This offense relies heavily on him. As long as that's true, the offense will go as far as Chad will allow it to go. Sometimes his head's in the game and other times it's not.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 02:41 PM
Andre Smith looking pretty Chunky on the sideline there.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:41 PM
Not piling on in anyway, I just don't see a lot of facts to back up your statements today. Seems to be more subjective than objective. After Chad's behavior last season I can see a lot of reasons to not like his game. Just not seeing it so far this season.

Posted above. Chad has looked either really good or really bad this season.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 02:42 PM
Joseph has turned into a hammer out there.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 02:43 PM
Great punt by the Ravens, Bengals pinned deep inside their 10.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:44 PM
Not piling on in anyway, I just don't see a lot of facts to back up your statements today. Seems to be more subjective than objective. After Chad's behavior last season I can see a lot of reasons to not like his game. Just not seeing it so far this season.

I don't mistake Chad's mouth with Chad's play. He hasn't been running his mouth this season, but he's still Chad. Until they find someone to step up and take T.J.'s place, his usual games (taking plays off, running bad routes, not paying attention in the huddle) hurt the offense much more than they used to because he's the only big weapon they have in the passing game.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:46 PM
Third delay of game penalty on the offense? The crowd sounds crazy loud there.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 02:49 PM
Ravens fooled nobody on that reverse losing some key yds.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 02:51 PM
Could use a big play soon, need some momentum.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:54 PM
Could use a big play soon, need some momentum.

Are you watching on NFL ticket?

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 02:59 PM
Huge illegal contact penalty against the Ravens on 3rd down

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:01 PM
Benson looks great. 20 carries for 80 yards so far.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:02 PM
Nice catch by Chad. Big day for him so far. He took a big hit on the play.


Benson with an awesome run for the TD!!!

21 carries, 108 yards, TD. Ravens D has given up an average of 59.

BuckeyeRedleg
10-11-2009, 03:03 PM
Get St. Louis out of there, NOW!

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:04 PM
St. Louis with another bad snap on the extra point. Attempt is saved by an illegal formation penalty by Baltimore.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 03:04 PM
St. Louis has to be taking money from somewhere.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:04 PM
So far, the offense looks really really good. If it weren't for a few mistakes, they could be running away with this game. Go Bengals!

HeatherC1212
10-11-2009, 03:05 PM
OK, St. Louis needs either a therapist or a new job. Thank goodness for the Ravens penalty! :eek:

Chip R
10-11-2009, 03:05 PM
Guy's got the yips.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:06 PM
OK, St. Louis needs either a therapist or a new job. Thank goodness for the Ravens penalty! :eek:

Two big Ravens penalties saved them on that drive.

CTA513
10-11-2009, 03:06 PM
St. Louis got lucky that the Ravens had a penalty on that snap.

The Bengals have to do something with him because his bad snaps are throwing off Grahams timing.

joshnky
10-11-2009, 03:08 PM
Get St. Louis out of there, NOW!

I think the Bengals have given him plenty of chances now. I can't see any way that he is still with the team next week. It seems that he just keeps getting worse.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 03:10 PM
Paul Brown would have put St. Louis on the bus back home himself.

guttle11
10-11-2009, 03:10 PM
I feel really bad for St. Louis, but he needs to be cut. He's got a serious case of Knoblauch syndrome. At the very least make up an injury, IR him, and get him some appointments with Dr. Gio, the golf psychologist.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:12 PM
I feel really bad for St. Louis, but he needs to be cut. He's got a serious case of Knoblauch syndrome. At the very least make up an injury, IR him, and get him some appointments with Dr. Gio, the golf psychologist.

I agree. I feel really bad for the guy. He's been a rock for this team for years, but he seems beyond repair. He has to go.

Chip R
10-11-2009, 03:21 PM
Does he do anything else besides be the long snapper?

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:23 PM
Does he do anything else besides be the long snapper?

He's listed on the roster as long snapper/tight end, but he's just the long snapper.

Chip R
10-11-2009, 03:28 PM
He's listed on the roster as long snapper/tight end, but he's just the long snapper.


If that's the case he can't stay on the roster if he keeps messing up like that. He got to go.

CTA513
10-11-2009, 03:29 PM
Bad tackling gives the Ravens a TD

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:29 PM
Three defenders can't tackle Rice around the line of scrimmage. TD Baltimore.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 03:29 PM
That sucked, 14-10 Ravens, enough time left for the Cardiac Cats.

CTA513
10-11-2009, 03:31 PM
The Bengals would still have the lead if they stopped playing so sloppy.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:32 PM
The Bengals would still have the lead if they stopped playing so sloppy.

The Ravens have made a lot of mistakes as well.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 03:44 PM
67 yds to go to get the win. Love to see Henry break free here.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 03:47 PM
4 down territory here.

HeatherC1212
10-11-2009, 03:48 PM
I've got that same feeling that I had when I was at the Pittsburgh game....a cross between overexcitement and wanting to throw up, LOL :laugh:

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:49 PM
4 down territory here.

Huge run by Carson on 4th and 2 for the first down.

HeatherC1212
10-11-2009, 03:50 PM
Angels take the lead on the Sox off Papelbon in the 9th inning and now the Bengals are driving in Baltimore late in the 4th quarter....this is too much for me! :eek:

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:51 PM
Cheap shot by R. Lewis costs Baltimore a big penalty.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:53 PM
Another key drop by Coats. Could have been a TD

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:55 PM
TD CINCI!

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:56 PM
HUGE pass interference call against Reed allowed the TD reception by Caldwell.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 03:56 PM
Cardiac Baby!!!

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:57 PM
The Baltimore boos are music to my ears. :)

HeatherC1212
10-11-2009, 03:57 PM
GO BENGALS!! :D

Angels only need two more outs....I seriously can't handle this much excitement at the same time, LOL :laugh:

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 03:59 PM
Leon Hall INT seals the deal!

HeatherC1212
10-11-2009, 04:00 PM
OMG, Angels win AND the Bengals win!?!?! I am going bonkers right now!! :jump:

LoganBuck
10-11-2009, 04:00 PM
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

Reds4Life
10-11-2009, 04:00 PM
Ravens have nobody to blame but themsleves. Stupid penalties and they handed the game to the Bengals on a platter.

WHO DEY.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 04:01 PM
You gotta believe baby!!!

cincrazy
10-11-2009, 04:02 PM
I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reds Fanatic
10-11-2009, 04:03 PM
What a win! You have to love this team they never quit.

reds1869
10-11-2009, 04:04 PM
WHO DEY!!! This team is one fluky play from being undefeated. Carson has become one of the best 4th Quarter QBs in the league and you can never count Cincinnati out.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 04:07 PM
Nice job by Cedric Benson and the O line they dominated Baltimore up front. Good to see the D play their hearts out for coach Zimmer.

Brutus
10-11-2009, 04:08 PM
Un-be-lieve-a-ble

BuckeyeRedleg
10-11-2009, 04:08 PM
Great win for the Bengals!

Chills, baby.

joshnky
10-11-2009, 04:10 PM
On another note, last week's All-Pro, Derek Anderson, is 2/17 against the Bills today. I can't understand this Bengals team, both offense and defense. Both are so hit and miss, but they seem to be just good enough to win when it counts.

HeatherC1212
10-11-2009, 04:12 PM
Seriously, way too much excitement for me in a span of about five minutes with the Angels beating Boston to clinch that series and the Bengals winning at the end at almost the same time! :eek:

Wow, I am SOOOO happy for the Bengals and you know they fought their hearts out for coach Zimmer today. They made him very proud and boy did the Bengals surprise everyone in Baltimore. That was a tough game for sure and talk about building even more confidence in the team. This was HUGE for them. WHO DEY!!! :jump:

dabvu2498
10-11-2009, 04:14 PM
On another note, last week's All-Pro, Derek Anderson, is 2/17 against the Bills today.

Slight breeze blowing in Buffalo.

Hoosier Red
10-11-2009, 04:15 PM
So were the penalties legit? Or are Ravens fans going to complain that the refs screwed them in this game too?

I realize these two scenarios are not necessarily independent of each other.

joshnky
10-11-2009, 04:18 PM
So were the penalties legit? Or are Ravens fans going to complain that the refs screwed them in this game too?

I realize these two scenarios are not necessarily independent of each other.

They seemed legit. Although, the officials probably should have called Chad for offensive pass interference on a deep ball on that last drive.

BuckeyeRed27
10-11-2009, 04:21 PM
They seemed legit. Although, the officials probably should have called Chad for offensive pass interference on a deep ball on that last drive.

Every penalty was very legit and if they had called that it would have been really really marginal.

CTA513
10-11-2009, 04:23 PM
I'll take the win but the game shouldn't have even been close.

The O-Line did a good job keep Palmer clean for most of the game.
Benson ran for 120 yards on a team that hasn't given up a 100 yard rusher since 2006.
Defense only gave up 7 points and that was on a screen pass that Bengals players whiffed on when trying to tackle Ray Rice.

GIDP
10-11-2009, 04:26 PM
after that TD I exploded and busted out my front door, ran out into my yard then sprinted around like a psyco in my yard just to remember HOLY CRAP THEY HAVE TO KICK STILL, then ran in and exploded again when they made it.

Needless to say I might have over reacted.

HeatherC1212
10-11-2009, 04:27 PM
So were the penalties legit? Or are Ravens fans going to complain that the refs screwed them in this game too?

I realize these two scenarios are not necessarily independent of each other.

I don't know for sure since I could barely watch the game today (I was too nervous about it :p: ) but I've seen some Ravens fans complaining anyway whether they're legit gripes or not, LOL :laugh:

dabvu2498
10-11-2009, 04:28 PM
I'll take the win but the game shouldn't have even been close.

The O-Line did a good job keep Palmer clean for most of the game.
Benson ran for 120 yards on a team that hasn't given up a 100 yard rusher since 2006.
Defense only gave up 7 points and that was on a screen pass that Bengals players whiffed on when trying to tackle Ray Rice.

Yes. Some may disagree, but they have been more talented and better prepared than their opponent in all 5 games. The execution has been less than desireable. If they execute for a full 4 quarters, they would be tough to beat.

MWM
10-11-2009, 04:30 PM
Wow!

traderumor
10-11-2009, 04:32 PM
They seemed legit. Although, the officials probably should have called Chad for offensive pass interference on a deep ball on that last drive.
Not at all, he really didn't even touch the guy, just became the defender and made it a tough catch.

I tell you, after the cheap hit by Ray Lewis, I wanted them to win that game so badly. The response for Zimmer was a special moment, not even able to imagine what he feels, but it sure did choke me up.

I tell you what is for real, and that is the D. They were one missed tackle away from shutting out a really good offense on their field.

That was one of the sweeter wins in recent memories. I hate the Ratbirds and will until Ray Lewis is gone.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 04:33 PM
Yes. Some may disagree, but they have been more talented and better prepared than their opponent in all 5 games. The execution has been less than desireable. If they execute for a full 4 quarters, they would be tough to beat.

I agree. The most encouraging sign from this team is that they're winning big games when they're not playing their best.

GIDP
10-11-2009, 04:35 PM
Id pay money to be in Zimmers head right now. I cant even imagine the thoughts going through his head. Imagine that locker room after that win? I mean seriously what a scene that would be. I cant even imagine.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 04:39 PM
Id pay money to be in Zimmers head right now. I cant even imagine the thoughts going through his head. Imagine that locker room after that win? I mean seriously what a scene that would be. I cant even imagine.

You'd pay money to be the guy that just unexpectedly lost his wife?

GIDP
10-11-2009, 04:39 PM
You'd pay money to be the guy that just unexpectedly lost his wife?

No I said id pay money to be in his head.

traderumor
10-11-2009, 04:41 PM
I agree. The most encouraging sign from this team is that they're winning big games when they're not playing their best.
I think they played about as good as they could play today. I don't consider the false starts and a couple of turnovers necessarily playing bad, just mistakes that need cleaned up. But they played really well on both sides of the ball. Baltimore's D is about as good as it gets at home, and they pretty much chewed them up. The Ravens O vs. Bengals D wasn't even close. They were in a position to win on the road with one drive, that's what they did. That required good football for 4 quarters.

None of that excuses the int/fumble/penalties, but I also don't think that its fair to say they didn't play their best. Perfect--no. Play well--yes.

Matt700wlw
10-11-2009, 04:41 PM
Wow. Yeah that about sums it up. WOW!

cincrazy
10-11-2009, 04:44 PM
You'd pay money to be the guy that just unexpectedly lost his wife?

He didn't mean it like that... he was just pointing out that it's an emotional moment, and right now Zimmer is feeling a lot of love from the entire locker room. Special moment as a team, obviously under horrible circumstances.

But how about some love for this O-line? Everyone, me included, trashed them all offseason and at the beginning of this season, but these guys have protected Palmer all year, as well as opened up huge holes for Benson.

So here's a toast to the big guys!

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 04:45 PM
I think they played about as good as they could play today. I don't consider the false starts and a couple of turnovers necessarily playing bad, just mistakes that need cleaned up. But they played really well on both sides of the ball. Baltimore's D is about as good as it gets at home, and they pretty much chewed them up. The Ravens O vs. Bengals D wasn't even close. They were in a position to win on the road with one drive, that's what they did. That required good football for 4 quarters.

None of that excuses the int/fumble/penalties, but I also don't think that its fair to say they didn't play their best. Perfect--no. Play well--yes.

I think you're splitting hairs. I never said they played a bad game. I don't think they've played their best football yet (at least consistently). That's encouraging.

KoryMac5
10-11-2009, 04:47 PM
413 total yds vs. Baltimore at their house, very encouraging. This offense is finding their stride.

traderumor
10-11-2009, 04:50 PM
I think you're splitting hairs. I never said they played a bad game. I don't think they've played their best football yet (at least consistently). That's encouraging.I'm not sure I agree with that. The D is playing very well, perhaps as good as can be expected week in and week out. The offense still has room for improvement in scoring, but they are playing well also. Really, only the FG team is the one that needs to improve dramatically.

That's not splitting hairs, but they are playing well, perhaps even as good as they can play. I don't think you are all of a sudden see them morph into a team that starts blowing people out.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 04:50 PM
413 total yds vs. Baltimore at their house, very encouraging. This offense is finding their stride.

That's incredible. It was nice to see Caldwell come up with another huge catch. Chris Henry had a great game as well. Not sure what to make of Coles. He had a drop early, and then disappeared.

Mario-Rijo
10-11-2009, 04:51 PM
I think they played about as good as they could play today. I don't consider the false starts and a couple of turnovers necessarily playing bad, just mistakes that need cleaned up. But they played really well on both sides of the ball. Baltimore's D is about as good as it gets at home, and they pretty much chewed them up. The Ravens O vs. Bengals D wasn't even close. They were in a position to win on the road with one drive, that's what they did. That required good football for 4 quarters.

None of that excuses the int/fumble/penalties, but I also don't think that its fair to say they didn't play their best. Perfect--no. Play well--yes.

That's debatable, I mean I do think they played relatively well but mistakes are a part of the game and when you are making them in any variety you aren't playing your absolute best. Granted I think most teams only play their absolute best a handful of games a season. Once they hit their stride they should play pretty well for a few games or more in a row. The rest of the time you are gonna have glaring and handfuls of mistakes.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 04:52 PM
I'm not sure I agree with that. The D is playing very well, perhaps as good as can be expected week in and week out. The offense still has room for improvement in scoring, but they are playing well also. Really, only the FG team is the one that needs to improve dramatically.

That's not splitting hairs, but they are playing well, perhaps even as good as they can play. I don't think you are all of a sudden see them morph into a team that starts blowing people out.

Then we'll agree to disagree. I don't see them blowing anyone out, but I see them maturing so that they don't have to rely on a field goal in overtime to beat Cleveland.

GIDP
10-11-2009, 04:53 PM
Zim was given the game ball. I cant even imagine that locker room

traderumor
10-11-2009, 04:53 PM
He didn't mean it like that... he was just pointing out that it's an emotional moment, and right now Zimmer is feeling a lot of love from the entire locker room. Special moment as a team, obviously under horrible circumstances.

But how about some love for this O-line? Everyone, me included, trashed them all offseason and at the beginning of this season, but these guys have protected Palmer all year, as well as opened up huge holes for Benson.

So here's a toast to the big guys!I think everyone knew that they were the most hard to predict what to expect, thus I had more uncertainty that they would be able to do the job, but they have been awesome. Running the ball consistently against the Ratbirds is as much evidence as one should need.

traderumor
10-11-2009, 05:00 PM
That's debatable, I mean I do think they played relatively well but mistakes are a part of the game and when you are making them in any variety you aren't playing your absolute best. Granted I think most teams only play their absolute best a handful of games a season. Once they hit their stride they should play pretty well for a few games or more in a row. The rest of the time you are gonna have glaring and handfuls of mistakes.I don't think either Wolfboy or me are talking about "absolute best." A season is an ebb and flow and I think they are playing up to their capabilities right now. I mean, they are winning games even with the self-inflicted wounds, so they are overcoming some mistakes, playing well enough to still win. What I hope more is that they clean up that stuff so that when they are not playing as well as they are right now, they will continue to win by not having so many mistakes to overcome, esp. fixable things like false starts and the kicking game.

Mario-Rijo
10-11-2009, 05:02 PM
I'm not sure I agree with that. The D is playing very well, perhaps as good as can be expected week in and week out. The offense still has room for improvement in scoring, but they are playing well also. Really, only the FG team is the one that needs to improve dramatically.

That's not splitting hairs, but they are playing well, perhaps even as good as they can play. I don't think you are all of a sudden see them morph into a team that starts blowing people out.

Why wouldn't you believe that? It's just my opinion but I think that they are only missing two components to being as good or better than the '05 offense and both are obtainable. #1 the offensive line early on has been a work in progress and due in part to that and the lack of consistency in catching the ball hasn't allowed for us to drive the ball consistently. I think this offense can improve both areas more which should result in a similiar offense, at least production wise. And the defense has played pretty well although the secondary is at times a bit suspect (Ndukwe should be getting his job back if he hasn't already). Bottom line both sides of the ball can improve to differing degrees and all units of special teams could do better as well except for PR which has outperformed previous versions.

traderumor
10-11-2009, 05:19 PM
Why wouldn't you believe that? It's just my opinion but I think that they are only missing two components to being as good or better than the '05 offense and both are obtainable. #1 the offensive line early on has been a work in progress and due in part to that and the lack of consistency in catching the ball hasn't allowed for us to drive the ball consistently. I think this offense can improve both areas more which should result in a similiar offense, at least production wise. And the defense has played pretty well although the secondary is at times a bit suspect (Ndukwe should be getting his job back if he hasn't already). Bottom line both sides of the ball can improve to differing degrees and all units of special teams could do better as well except for PR which has outperformed previous versions.They weren't blowing people out in that season. That isn't how the NFL works. Sure, they have areas that need improvement. I just don't think its quite time to say that they're winning even when they haven't played all that well, as if they have the potential for a juggernaut.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 05:30 PM
They weren't blowing people out in that season. That isn't how the NFL works. Sure, they have areas that need improvement. I just don't think its quite time to say that they're winning even when they haven't played all that well, as if they have the potential for a juggernaut.

I think winning when they haven't played all that well and winning when they aren't playing their best is much different. I certainly didn't say they aren't playing all that well. I don't think anyone else has said that either. They aren't playing their best though. They have the league's worst long snapper, the offense looks completely out of sync at times, the special teams coverage on punts and kickoffs has been bad, and they've been giving up a lot of yards on bad penalties. Those things will get fixed, and they'll play much better as a result. It might even keep the team from having to engineer a miracle drive to win a game.

traderumor
10-11-2009, 05:47 PM
I think winning when they haven't played all that well and winning when they aren't playing their best is much different. I certainly didn't say they aren't playing all that well. I don't think anyone else has said that either. They aren't playing their best though. They have the league's worst long snapper, the offense looks completely out of sync at times, the special teams coverage on punts and kickoffs has been bad, and they've been giving up a lot of yards on bad penalties. Those things will get fixed, and they'll play much better as a result. It might even keep the team from having to engineer a miracle drive to win a game.I think the disagreement comes in how much of a difference on the scoreboard improvements in some areas are going to make. I just don't see this as a team that is going to fire on all cylinders and dominate opponents on the scoreboard. They appear to be a good team who right now is on a roll for close, low scoring games. I think what you see may be what you get.

Of course, if Laverneus Coles ever shows up, who knows?

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 05:52 PM
I think the disagreement comes in how much of a difference on the scoreboard improvements in some areas are going to make. I just don't see this as a team that is going to fire on all cylinders and dominate opponents on the scoreboard. They appear to be a good team who right now is on a roll for close, low scoring games. I think what you see may be what you get.

Of course, if Laverneus Coles ever shows up, who knows?

I think once someone steps up consistently out of Coles, Henry or Caldwell, they'll be a force to be reckoned with on offense. I'll agree that the defense is playing at its peak.

I think we agree when it comes to scoreboard improvement. They aren't going to blow anyone out. However, it would be nice if they didn't need a late drive to win every game. I think they're capable of that. Getting rid of St. Louis will help.

HeatherC1212
10-11-2009, 05:53 PM
They just showed the Bengals locker room during the halftime show on CBS and coach Zimmer was clearly moved by receiving the game ball and all those guys giving him so much support. That was such an emotional moment and I am SO proud of those guys for fighting so hard today for coach Zimmer.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 05:54 PM
They just showed the Bengals locker room during the halftime show on CBS and coach Zimmer was clearly moved by receiving the game ball and all those guys giving him so much support. That was such an emotional moment and I am SO proud of those guys for fighting so hard today for coach Zimmer.

That was neat to see.

traderumor
10-11-2009, 06:07 PM
I think once someone steps up consistently out of Coles, Henry or Caldwell, they'll be a force to be reckoned with on offense. I'll agree that the defense is playing at its peak.

I think we agree when it comes to scoreboard improvement. They aren't going to blow anyone out. However, it would be nice if they didn't need a late drive to win every game. I think they're capable of that. Getting rid of St. Louis will help.Yea, you have to think that the airmailed snap has to force them to make a change. That was amazing. Mental or physical problem, a change has to be made.

Mario-Rijo
10-11-2009, 06:09 PM
They weren't blowing people out in that season. That isn't how the NFL works. Sure, they have areas that need improvement. I just don't think its quite time to say that they're winning even when they haven't played all that well, as if they have the potential for a juggernaut.

Of course they weren't, their defense was still a very leaky and inconsistent one, (although they did turn the ball over quite a bit that season) but that offense was lighting teams up. With an improved defensive unit and a return to something similiar to that offensive unit you have a team that can and will blow a few teams out. I just think people see what's there and assume that they are what they are, I try to envision what they can be and I believe they can be much better offensively. Look at all of the excuted plays so far on the season and the vast number of dropped passes in them. Teams don't drop passes at this rate. I think this team is on the cusp of finding that rythym and I expect them to get on a roll here in October. Unfortunately as soon as they get that rythym they only have 2 games and then a bye week, I can see them being 6-1 easily going into the bye.

wolfboy
10-11-2009, 06:09 PM
Yea, you have to think that the airmailed snap has to force them to make a change. That was amazing. Mental or physical problem, a change has to be made.

It doesn't sound like a change is imminent based on Marvin's post game remarks. Of course, Marvin has to be diplomatic about it.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20091011/SPT02/310110011/1066/Struggles+continue+for+St.+Louis

joshnky
10-11-2009, 06:26 PM
Looking ahead at the schedule, this team should easily be 9-3 going into the game against the Vikings. The season wraps up with some difficult games but the playoffs (if not the division) look very achievable.

Tony Cloninger
10-11-2009, 06:42 PM
This reminds of me the early season of 1981......they had to come back to win their first 2 games, the SEA game being down 21-0....the Jets who were not yet being called The New York Sack Exchange beacuse they were going to start 0-3....but they learned how to come back and win.....and then they blew out Pittsburgh at home 34-7....after that, even though they lost to the Saints....they pretty much played the best football i have ever seen the Bengals play up until the SF game at home.

My hope is that they repeat this and take it to Houston and Chicago and get even more confidence when Baltimore comes to Cincy.

TeamSelig
10-11-2009, 06:47 PM
There are some tough games left, still.

I could see the Ravens and Steelers beating us the second time around. Chicago is tough. At Minnesota. At San Diego... and At NYJ.

Six tough games. Plus, Cleveland always plays out of their mind vs the Bengals. I think we will win 10-11 games.

Brutus
10-11-2009, 06:49 PM
There are some tough games left, still.

I could see the Ravens and Steelers beating us the second time around. Chicago is tough. At Minnesota. At San Diego... and At NYJ.

Six tough games. Plus, Cleveland always plays out of their mind vs the Bengals. I think we will win 10-11 games.

If Cincinnati were to win all the games it should win and lose all the games you'd expect them to lose, they'd finish (in my estimation) 11-5.

Mario-Rijo
10-11-2009, 06:52 PM
There are some tough games left, still.

I could see the Ravens and Steelers beating us the second time around. Chicago is tough. At Minnesota. At San Diego... and At NYJ.

Six tough games. Plus, Cleveland always plays out of their mind vs the Bengals. I think we will win 10-11 games.

I agree there are some tough games to go and anything could happen but and again barring some ludicrous rash of injuries or just some critical ones (I.E. Palmer) I think only Pittsburgh, S.D. & Minny are the only 3 we should have some serious reservations about. The others although tough are more manageable IMO. I have thought both Baltimore and now NYJ are a smidge overrated as usual (or should I say Flacco and Sanchez).

Redhook
10-11-2009, 07:01 PM
I'm ecstatic right now about this win. I still can't believe it.

The Bengals played great today. Outside of the 3 delay of games, the false starts, the one missed tackle, Chad's fumble, and Brad St. Yipper they played outstanding. That is a lot of misqueus, but they're all fluke plays. The Bengals dominated both sides of the ball today which I haven't seen in a long, long time.

travisgrimes
10-11-2009, 09:36 PM
I predict a 12-4 record and here's why... they have four cupcake games still left on their schedule with the Browns at home as well as the Lions and Chiefs at home and Oakland on the road. Then I see them beating the Bears at home and the Jets on the road. I think they sweep the season series against the Ravens and a close win at home against the Texans. But I do see them losing the rematch with the Steelers, and two tough away games vs. the Chargers and Vikings.

traderumor
10-11-2009, 10:35 PM
Of course they weren't, their defense was still a very leaky and inconsistent one, (although they did turn the ball over quite a bit that season) but that offense was lighting teams up. With an improved defensive unit and a return to something similiar to that offensive unit you have a team that can and will blow a few teams out. I just think people see what's there and assume that they are what they are, I try to envision what they can be and I believe they can be much better offensively. Look at all of the excuted plays so far on the season and the vast number of dropped passes in them. Teams don't drop passes at this rate. I think this team is on the cusp of finding that rythym and I expect them to get on a roll here in October. Unfortunately as soon as they get that rythym they only have 2 games and then a bye week, I can see them being 6-1 easily going into the bye.A little too perfect world for the Bengals. I reserve the right to have tempered enthusiasm. What you are saying is true, but that assumes everything else is static and the rest of the league does not adjust or improve. Yes, they may improve in some area they are currently struggling, but then could go backwards in another. All I'm accounting for is the reality of a professional sports season, which is peaks and valleys, not a consistent rise.

WVRed
10-11-2009, 11:14 PM
Yea, you have to think that the airmailed snap has to force them to make a change. That was amazing. Mental or physical problem, a change has to be made.

I think part of the problem is that teams are loading the box before the snap to get into his head. It was finally called and the Ravens backed off after that.

I would still check into a new long snapper though. At least have somebody on standby.

Matt700wlw
10-11-2009, 11:56 PM
It's not a bad time to be a football fan in Cincinnati! Don't forget about them Bearcats!


But......yeah. Them Bengals are FO' REAL!

I love this team! :D

acredsfan
10-12-2009, 12:43 AM
I hate the feelings they give me at the end of the game. The pessimist in me keeps thinking the games are over when they are down, but in the back of my mind I just know they will come through yet again. Can we please just handle a team from start to finish? One thing is for sure, this team's offense looks to be starting their run, and that is an exciting thought. For once, Carson seemed to be on, but the rest of the offense seemed to be just a bit off at the beginning. There were some passes dropped and mistakes made, but they overcame them and still won.

All in all, the defense carried the team again, which is rare for a Bengals team. This season has a chance to be great if the Offense continues to improve and they don't wear themselves down with these come from behind victories.

camisadelgolf
10-12-2009, 01:08 AM
I've been saying it irl ever since he got here. I am ready for Dan Coats to be deactivated to make room for someone else. I can't wait for Chase Coffman to join the team and make an impact.

Degenerate39
10-12-2009, 01:42 AM
I can't believe it

wolfboy
10-12-2009, 08:26 AM
The Bengals have managed to make it through the first five games with a record of 4-1. Their opponents have a combined record of 14-10. That's pretty impressive.

sonny
10-12-2009, 09:50 AM
I've been saying it irl ever since he got here. I am ready for Dan Coats to be deactivated to make room for someone else. I can't wait for Chase Coffman to join the team and make an impact.

Fo' Sho'

Coats, I'm sure, is a pleasant fellow, but he couldn't catch the flu.
As a blocking TE, he really looks lost out there, too.
Where is Coffman anyway?

joshnky
10-12-2009, 10:41 AM
Where is Coffman anyway?

It appears that Coffman can't block which means the Bengals would rather play an extra receiver since teams will know its a passing play if they put Coffman out there.

Tony Cloninger
10-12-2009, 11:04 AM
The Bengals once drafted a TE out of Alabama ...Al Chandler...back in 1974 to start grooming a replacement for Bob Trumpy who got hurt and missed at least 1-2 games per year.

This was Paul brown doing this but he forgot? That they ran the wishbone...and he was a running/blocking TE....he barely caught 10 passes his whole career for ALA.

This is the same thing here....draft a TE that fits an offense like the bengals had in 1980-83....where the TE did not need to block that much....when you plan on trying to build up a running offense. They knew what they had in him when they drafted.

joshnky
10-12-2009, 11:54 AM
I don't think they drafted Coffman for this season. They must have seen something in him to suggest that he could develop into a passable blocker while retaining his receiving skills. I think the plan was to go with Kelly and Utecht with Coats as the fullback/TE and either leave Coffman inactive each week or stash him on the practice squad. Unfortunately, all of the injuries at this position left the Bengals with Daniel Coats as the #1 TE.

My biggest question is, why does Palmer keep throwing to him?

GIDP
10-12-2009, 11:57 AM
Coffman was going to be 3rd or 4th string this year anyways.

GIDP
10-12-2009, 11:58 AM
I don't think they drafted Coffman for this season. They must have seen something in him to suggest that he could develop into a passable blocker while retaining his receiving skills. I think the plan was to go with Kelly and Utecht with Coats as the fullback/TE and either leave Coffman inactive each week or stash him on the practice squad. Unfortunately, all of the injuries at this position left the Bengals with Daniel Coats as the #1 TE.

My biggest question is, why does Palmer keep throwing to him?

When guys are as open as Coats how do you not pass it to him?

WVRed
10-12-2009, 12:01 PM
When guys are as open as Coats how do you not pass it to him?

I'm sure there is a reason he has been left so wide open. :)

GIDP
10-12-2009, 12:04 PM
I'm sure there is a reason he has been left so wide open. :)

Yea, and still hes wide freaking open so you have to throw it to him, but yea he is stone hands. I have to say if a guy is that open you really cant pass that up no matter who that guy is.

WVRed
10-12-2009, 01:20 PM
Yea, and still hes wide freaking open so you have to throw it to him, but yea he is stone hands. I have to say if a guy is that open you really cant pass that up no matter who that guy is.

I understand, but if I am a defensive coordinator, I am putting all of my attention on guys like OchoCinco, Coles, Caldwell, and Henry until somebody like Coats steps up and proves that he can beat you with his catches.

Honestly, with special teams and TE being the only two glaring weaknesses on this team, I have to say the Bengals have come a long way. That being said, they are still the Bengals. They have beaten teams they shouldn't have (Pittsburgh and Baltimore) and struggled against teams they should have beaten such as Cleveland. That is why I am worried about Houston next week.

What is even scarier is that if not for the Leon Hall miscue, this team should be 5-0.

Hoosier Red
10-12-2009, 01:50 PM
I understand, but if I am a defensive coordinator, I am putting all of my attention on guys like OchoCinco, Coles, Caldwell, and Henry until somebody like Coats steps up and proves that he can beat you with his catches.

Honestly, with special teams and TE being the only two glaring weaknesses on this team, I have to say the Bengals have come a long way. That being said, they are still the Bengals. They have beaten teams they shouldn't have (Pittsburgh and Baltimore) and struggled against teams they should have beaten such as Cleveland. That is why I am worried about Houston next week.

What is even scarier is that if not for the Leon Hall miscue, this team should be 5-0.

I'm curious because I've heard it described as this, what did Hall do wrong on that play? He got a hand on the ball, is there some defensive back edict that if you can't catch the ball to let it go through?
The miscue was all on the back end of that, the safeties both took out one receiver and the other corner backs didn't come over fast enough to tackle stokely.

Caveat Emperor
10-12-2009, 02:01 PM
Watched a lot of this game while trying to watch my Buccaneers get blown out by the Eagles. Cincy's defense is for real, and they'll be in a lot of games right down to the wire as long as it keeps playing at a high level.

On the other hand, it's back to Yuccaneer-dom for my squad. They're beyond awful and the kid they've got playing QB now (former D-2 sensation Josh Johnson) looks completely clueless.

I am now envying the Bengals fans. Hell has truly frozen over. ;)

Brutus
10-12-2009, 02:09 PM
I understand, but if I am a defensive coordinator, I am putting all of my attention on guys like OchoCinco, Coles, Caldwell, and Henry until somebody like Coats steps up and proves that he can beat you with his catches.

Honestly, with special teams and TE being the only two glaring weaknesses on this team, I have to say the Bengals have come a long way. That being said, they are still the Bengals. They have beaten teams they shouldn't have (Pittsburgh and Baltimore) and struggled against teams they should have beaten such as Cleveland. That is why I am worried about Houston next week.

What is even scarier is that if not for the Leon Hall miscue, this team should be 5-0.

Coats' drops might allow a defensive coordinator to roll coverage toward a receiver. For instance, you could shade a safety over to Ochocinco instead of letting him stay in the middle of the field. But you still have to account for the TE in this league, no matter how bad he is. Even Coats, despite his dropsies, will crush a team's chances if you allow him to streak down the middle of the field without coverage. He won't continue to flat drop wide-open passes all the time.

As frustrated as I am with Coats, I hope he continues to be left as open as he was yesterday in future games. The Bengals would be very well off if that happens.

traderumor
10-12-2009, 02:17 PM
The Denver game is getting smaller and smaller in the rear view mirror. The team has already proven that it moved on from it. Win the games they should and it is a non-factor and nothing more than a bad memory.

MWM
10-12-2009, 02:37 PM
I'm so jaded and cynical I wasn't even a true believer in 2005. I never thought they were a real contender with that defense. That's been the big black hole as long as I can remember. I know as soon as I invest in this team and believe they'll find a way to fall apart (always happens), but this team has a defense and that means everything in the modern day NFL. This is perhaps the best team they've had since Paul Brown's death. I can actually see this team being a real contender with this defense. I have no idea what to do with that belief as a Bengals fan. I keep waiting for them to do something to remind me they're the Bengals. We're so conditioned to this that it becomes more difficult to actually enjoy the season when the team is good. :evil:

traderumor
10-12-2009, 03:10 PM
As a Buckeyes fan, I have certainly learned the value of a stout D. Offense can be fickle, but great D is usually able to bring it with consistency game after game. The Tressel era has taught me that much.

Hoosier Red
10-12-2009, 03:18 PM
The Denver game is getting smaller and smaller in the rear view mirror. The team has already proven that it moved on from it. Win the games they should and it is a non-factor and nothing more than a bad memory.

That I can agree with.

Mario-Rijo
10-12-2009, 06:11 PM
A little too perfect world for the Bengals. I reserve the right to have tempered enthusiasm. What you are saying is true, but that assumes everything else is static and the rest of the league does not adjust or improve. Yes, they may improve in some area they are currently struggling, but then could go backwards in another. All I'm accounting for is the reality of a professional sports season, which is peaks and valleys, not a consistent rise.

Fair enough I could certainly see a multitude of issues that could conceivably pop up. And for the record I'm not suggesting that they indeed will have this all come together but I feel the odds are in their favor for it to occur. But life in the NFL suggests it could all go away with one poorly executed block of our most critical component (Palmer). So I'll continue to keep my fingers crossed for good fortune.

Mario-Rijo
10-12-2009, 06:14 PM
As a Buckeyes fan, I have certainly learned the value of a stout D. Offense can be fickle, but great D is usually able to bring it with consistency game after game. The Tressel era has taught me that much.

How true, how so very true.

Brutus
10-12-2009, 06:22 PM
Cincinnati is not without its share of problems. The inconsistency on offense (dropped passes, missed reads and turnovers) will haunt Cincinnati if it keeps putting its defense in position to allow a last-minute drive to occur. Leon Hall is still kind of scary against teams' second receivers. He gets beat too often downfield for my liking. And nevermind the Bengals absolutely have to get this whole long-snap situation taken care of.

But all that aside, the overall makeup of this team is one that is very, very capable of winning the division and actually making a Super Bowl run. They have all the necessary parts to get deep into the playoffs. It's way too early to think about and that kind of thing will not happen if the aforementioned problems are not corrected, but I think it's very safe to believe in this team. They are definitely legit.

WVRed
10-12-2009, 06:34 PM
I'm curious because I've heard it described as this, what did Hall do wrong on that play? He got a hand on the ball, is there some defensive back edict that if you can't catch the ball to let it go through?
The miscue was all on the back end of that, the safeties both took out one receiver and the other corner backs didn't come over fast enough to tackle stokely.

Bat the ball down instead of tipping it up and the Bengals are 5-0. Just sayin'.


Coats' drops might allow a defensive coordinator to roll coverage toward a receiver. For instance, you could shade a safety over to Ochocinco instead of letting him stay in the middle of the field. But you still have to account for the TE in this league, no matter how bad he is. Even Coats, despite his dropsies, will crush a team's chances if you allow him to streak down the middle of the field without coverage. He won't continue to flat drop wide-open passes all the time.

As frustrated as I am with Coats, I hope he continues to be left as open as he was yesterday in future games. The Bengals would be very well off if that happens.

But until he proves he can, I would be covering the wideouts as much as possible. I think Caldwell will replace TJ's production if he hasn't already.

Here is my question. Assuming the Bengals have a late first round pick with the way it is looking, would you look at Jermaine Gresham if he were available? Our TE situation isn't exactly the greatest right now:

Reggie Kelly: OFTS. Still one of the better blocking TE's we've had and has decent hands.

Ben Utecht: Has been a bust since he has been here and has stayed on IR.

Daniel Coats: See the entire discussion of this thread. Good blocking TE.

Other TE whose name escapes me: The opposite of Coats. Can catch the ball, but cannot block to save his life.

Chase Coffman: The ultimate wild card. If he progresses this could be a moot point, but I would like to see the Bengals take a TE in the first round if he doesn't materialize.

hebroncougar
10-12-2009, 07:58 PM
Cincinnati is not without its share of problems. The inconsistency on offense (dropped passes, missed reads and turnovers) will haunt Cincinnati if it keeps putting its defense in position to allow a last-minute drive to occur. Leon Hall is still kind of scary against teams' second receivers. He gets beat too often downfield for my liking. And nevermind the Bengals absolutely have to get this whole long-snap situation taken care of.

But all that aside, the overall makeup of this team is one that is very, very capable of winning the division and actually making a Super Bowl run. They have all the necessary parts to get deep into the playoffs. It's way too early to think about and that kind of thing will not happen if the aforementioned problems are not corrected, but I think it's very safe to believe in this team. They are definitely legit.


Really? Have their been any WR's who have had a big day against the Bengals? Best I can do is Wallace from the Steelers who went 7/102

Brutus
10-12-2009, 08:09 PM
Really? Have their been any WR's who have had a big day against the Bengals? Best I can do is Wallace from the Steelers who went 7/102

Massaquoi had a field day for the Browns against him (8 receptions, 148 yards). He got beat by Clayton at least a few times, though fortunately for the Bengals twice he was beat deep but they were overthrows. Wallace had 7 for 102. Driver had 6 for 99.

Not that it's all Hall, as there has been some times when I'm sure he was supposed to have help and didn't get it. But for the most part, he's been the one weak spot in the defense.

bucksfan2
10-12-2009, 08:49 PM
I'm so jaded and cynical I wasn't even a true believer in 2005. I never thought they were a real contender with that defense. That's been the big black hole as long as I can remember. I know as soon as I invest in this team and believe they'll find a way to fall apart (always happens), but this team has a defense and that means everything in the modern day NFL. This is perhaps the best team they've had since Paul Brown's death. I can actually see this team being a real contender with this defense. I have no idea what to do with that belief as a Bengals fan. I keep waiting for them to do something to remind me they're the Bengals. We're so conditioned to this that it becomes more difficult to actually enjoy the season when the team is good. :evil:

I agree with you about the 2005 team. That was a fun season, I just never thought the team was good enough on the defensive side of the ball to be a legit contender. This year, I feel completely different. This D has played great this season. They finally have the size and speed to play with every team in the league. A team won't be able to smash the ball down the Bengals throat because of their D. The 2 corners, in Hall and Joseph, make up one heck of a secondary.

If the offense every really starts to click and the Bengals don't turn over the ball, this team can be scary good.

DTCromer
10-12-2009, 09:10 PM
As a Buckeyes fan, I have certainly learned the value of a stout D. Offense can be fickle, but great D is usually able to bring it with consistency game after game. The Tressel era has taught me that much.

It's also taught you that conservative play calling gets your butt kicked against superior teams.

LoganBuck
10-12-2009, 09:46 PM
It's also taught you that conservative play calling gets your butt kicked against superior teams.

It also prevents inferior teams from beating you.

traderumor
10-12-2009, 10:09 PM
It's also taught you that conservative play calling gets your butt kicked against superior teams.No.

cincrazy
10-12-2009, 10:43 PM
It's also taught you that conservative play calling gets your butt kicked against superior teams.

I'd argue the Bengals were pretty conversative against Pitt. and Baltimore and still took care of business.

In both games, they stuck with the running game when they could have given up on it, when many were SCREAMING for them to give up on it.

And both times it paid off.

Dom Heffner
10-12-2009, 10:47 PM
It's also taught you that conservative play calling gets your butt kicked against superior teams.

Ask New England- their play calling in the fourth quarter yesterday was awful.

You have the best player on the field in Tom Brady and you hand off 6 times in a row.

They were trying to run down the clock with a 7 point lead and 12 minutes to go.

Numbskulls.

guttle11
10-13-2009, 12:01 AM
This one trailed off into stupidland. Conservative, gunslinger...winners make plays and losers don't. The important thing is that Chad Henne looks competent now that he has a couple Ohio boys to throw to.

Mario-Rijo
10-13-2009, 01:07 AM
Massaquoi had a field day for the Browns against him (8 receptions, 148 yards). He got beat by Clayton at least a few times, though fortunately for the Bengals twice he was beat deep but they were overthrows. Wallace had 7 for 102. Driver had 6 for 99.

Not that it's all Hall, as there has been some times when I'm sure he was supposed to have help and didn't get it. But for the most part, he's been the one weak spot in the defense.

All of that wasn't Leon Hall, both JoJo (the Bengal JoJo) and Crocker have been burnt up pretty well at times also. IIRC Massaqui and Wallace had JoJo's # and Crocker who was our nickel corner for the 1st few weeks wasn't helping much either.

joshnky
10-13-2009, 10:45 AM
All of that wasn't Leon Hall, both JoJo (the Bengal JoJo) and Crocker have been burnt up pretty well at times also. IIRC Massaqui and Wallace had JoJo's # and Crocker who was our nickel corner for the 1st few weeks wasn't helping much either.

And it should be pointed out that Joseph and Hall have been playing a lot of man-to-man lately which will lead to occasional big plays but really helps the defense overall.

Also, I agree that Joseph seems to be the worse of the two and the early issues were largely due to the speed/ability of Crocker. Have we already forgotten the numbers that Jennings, Marshall, and Edwards put up against this secondary?

Edit: I saw this on Bengals.com:

In every game this season the Bengals have blanked the other team’s leading receiver, or held him to one catch, or held him to just 27 yards. On Sunday, Derrick Mason, a long-time Bengals slayer for Tennessee and Baltimore, caught only frustration.


We'll see how the D performs against arguably the best receiver in the league Sunday, in Andre Johnson.

Chip R
10-13-2009, 11:12 AM
I don't think I can remember another QB that has done what Carson has over the first 5 weeks of the season. Bringing his team from behind in the 4th quarter in every game so far. That's Staubach/Marino/Elway/Montana/Farve territory right there. It's got to give Bengals fans a good feeling when they are behind late now that Carson will pull the game out instead of thinking, "How are they going to (mess) this up?"

CTA513
10-16-2009, 03:20 PM
Ray Lewis was fined $25,000 for his play in last weeks game:



Source: Lewis to appeal $25K fine

OWINGS MILLS, Md. -- Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis has been fined a total of $25,000 by the NFL for two separate violations in the fourth quarter of Baltimore's last-minute loss to the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday.

One fine is for Lewis' helmet-to-helmet hit on Bengals receiver Chad Ochocinco. The other was for an incident on a pass play late in the game; the league said Lewis "unnecessarily kicked a Bengals player. It wasn't immediately clear whom Lewis kicked.

The hit on Ochocinco near the middle of the field sent the receiver's helmet flying. Sources said the NFL was primarily concerned with penalizing Lewis for unnecessarily striking a defenseless receiver.

The play came in the fourth quarter of Baltimore's 17-14 loss. Lewis was assessed a 15-yard penalty for unnecessary roughness, which helped set up Cincinnati's winning touchdown with 22 seconds remaining.

After the game, the boisterous Ochocinco used his Twitter account to ask NFL commissioner Roger Goodell for leniency.

"Please don't fine Ray Lewis Mr. Roger Goodell, it was a clean hit, it's part of the game, save the fines for me," Ochocinco wrote.

Asked Wednesday if he expected to be fined, Lewis replied, "Probably."

Earlier, ESPN reported that the fine was for the hit on Ochocinco only.

On Friday, Lewis said, "I'm not talking about no fine."

Coach John Harbaugh said, "I'm disappointed. You hate to see that."

Asked about the play in which Lewis allegedly kicked a player, Harbaugh said, "It was an inadvertent trip that happened.

Harbaugh added: "Ray Lewis is a tough, a physical guy. Ray Lewis is also as a great a sportsman as I've met. He plays good, clean football. I guarantee you the shot on Ochocinco was in the strike zone. I want to stand behind Ray in that sense."

The Bengals have won four straight games and lead the AFC North with a 4-1 record entering Sunday's game against Houston. The Ravens (3-2), who have lost two in a row, visit undefeated Minnesota.


Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4564833

WMR
10-16-2009, 06:13 PM
Good to know Ray is still the thug he used to be.

One of my least favorite NFL players.

wolfboy
10-16-2009, 10:56 PM
Good to know Ray is still the thug he used to be.

One of my least favorite NFL players.

:thumbup: I couldn't agree more. I thought the cheap shot on Chad was classless. Then I read this: "The league deemed that Lewis "unnecessarily kicked the opponent." (in a different incident). Oh RayRay....you always exceed my expectations.

Brutus
10-16-2009, 10:57 PM
:thumbup: I couldn't agree more. I thought the cheap shot on Chad was classless. Then I read this: "The league deemed that Lewis "unnecessarily kicked the opponent." (in a different incident). Oh RayRay....you always exceed my expectations.

LOL I would love to know when it is necessary to kick an opponent.

wolfboy
10-17-2009, 12:38 AM
LOL I would love to know when it is necessary to kick an opponent.

Ha! I hadn't even considered that.

Sea Ray
10-17-2009, 05:57 PM
LOL I would love to know when it is necessary to kick an opponent.

Players get kicked all the time given the nature of the game. Most of the time these things are unavoidable

traderumor
10-17-2009, 06:51 PM
Players get kicked all the time given the nature of the game. Most of the time these things are unavoidableObviously, obviously, this must not be referring to incidental kicking occuring in a rough sport like football.

Brutus
10-17-2009, 07:31 PM
Players get kicked all the time given the nature of the game. Most of the time these things are unavoidable

Well of course. But the point still stands, when does it become necessary to kick a player? By definition, the way the game is played, all kicking of an opponent is unnecessary. The only difference is avoidable and unavoidable.

Sea Ray
10-17-2009, 07:52 PM
Well of course. But the point still stands, when does it become necessary to kick a player? By definition, the way the game is played, all kicking of an opponent is unnecessary. The only difference is avoidable and unavoidable.


If a player falls in front of you and you don't have time to avoid him it may be necessary to hit him with your feet (ie kicking) because you don't have a choice

traderumor
10-17-2009, 08:25 PM
If a player falls in front of you and you don't have time to avoid him it may be necessary to hit him with your feet (ie kicking) because you don't have a choiceYes, and the NFL can't tell the difference and levied a fine on an incidental kick. Is that you position? :rolleyes:

Brutus
10-18-2009, 12:15 AM
If a player falls in front of you and you don't have time to avoid him it may be necessary to hit him with your feet (ie kicking) because you don't have a choice

I'm gathering that you didn't really notice the tongue-in-cheek nature of the original comment. Clearly it was meant as a throwaway joke in response to the phrasing of the NFL's fine, not really questioning the merits of an 'accidental' kick which obviously we all realize happens in a game.

traderumor
10-18-2009, 08:39 AM
I'm gathering that you didn't really notice the tongue-in-cheek nature of the original comment. Clearly it was meant as a throwaway joke in response to the phrasing of the NFL's fine, not really questioning the merits of an 'accidental' kick which obviously we all realize happens in a game.
I'm guessing it was a Dwight Schrute karate kick, similar to one of those kicks that Lewis does on that incredibly moronic dance he does in the tunnel.

Brutus
10-18-2009, 12:17 PM
I'm guessing it was a Dwight Schrute karate kick, similar to one of those kicks that Lewis does on that incredibly moronic dance he does in the tunnel.

:beerme:

Sea Ray
10-18-2009, 02:58 PM
Yes, and the NFL can't tell the difference and levied a fine on an incidental kick. Is that you position? :rolleyes:

No, I don't think they thought Lewis' kick was incidental. What gave you the impression I thought otherwise? :confused:

traderumor
10-18-2009, 04:26 PM
No, I don't think they thought Lewis' kick was incidental. What gave you the impression I thought otherwise? :confused:Um, your explanation that kicking happens in football all the time :confused:

Sea Ray
10-18-2009, 09:09 PM
Um, your explanation that kicking happens in football all the time :confused:


Glad I cleared it up for you

traderumor
10-18-2009, 09:58 PM
Glad I cleared it up for youI'll let you have this third grade conversation with someone else.