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Chip R
10-15-2009, 10:50 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4563546

traderumor
10-16-2009, 07:01 AM
Yea, that's just putting into writing what has been in practice as long as I have followed the NBA, giving rise to comments while watching HS or NCAA bball "hey, ref, this isn't the NBA" when a guy takes some extra steps and the call isn't made.

improbus
10-16-2009, 09:48 AM
It is no coincidence that the "two steps" in the NBA took off when teams started playing defense in the 1990's. It is an evolution of the game like the baseball strike zone, which doesn't resemble the rulebook in any capacity. As an aside, here is the official wording of the strike zone in baseball


The STRIKE ZONE is that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a
horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the kneecap. The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter’s stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball.

When was the last time an umpire called a strike at the letters? Every sport has its rules that are "ignored". Basketball is simply admitting it.

traderumor
10-16-2009, 12:49 PM
It is no coincidence that the "two steps" in the NBA took off when teams started playing defense in the 1990's.It has been around in my memory, spanning back to the early 70s.

improbus
10-16-2009, 01:28 PM
It has been around in my memory, spanning back to the early 70s.

But, I think people really starting complaining about it and noticing in the '90's. In my opinion, it really took off when the league became more guard/slasher oriented (aka w/ Jordan).

ochre
10-16-2009, 03:10 PM
But, I think people really starting complaining about it and noticing in the '90's. In my opinion, it really took off when the league became more guard/slasher oriented (aka w/ Jordan).
Ever seen Dr. J glide to the rim?

durl
10-17-2009, 09:43 AM
The players over the past few decades have acted as though traveling was allowed but defense was illegal.

I should actually keep my mouth shut because I haven't watched an NBA game in probably a dozen years...

westofyou
10-17-2009, 11:24 AM
The players over the past few decades have acted as though traveling was allowed but defense was illegal.

I should actually keep my mouth shut because I haven't watched an NBA game in probably a dozen years...

Sounds like my POV on both points.


Clyde doesn't like it either


"They go 20 feet to the hoop without dribbling one time," Frazier said. "This is what they are getting away with nowadays. Some of them are so obvious. You'll hear me on the broadcast saying 'That's a travel! Watch the feet!' Wilt [Chamberlain] would have averaged 100 points a game if they had let him do that.

Redlegs23
10-17-2009, 01:15 PM
NBA basketball is absolutely horrible. It isn't even real basketball. If you want to watch ridiculous athletes play one on one it's fine, but it's not basketball. I guess this play is officially allowed now, instead of being unofficially allowed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6DxHsEOJGs

traderumor
10-17-2009, 08:29 PM
Clyde doesn't like it eitherClyde sounds like one of the baseball old timers getting self-righteous about the current game. The travelling thing really hasn't changed, and that includes his days, at least when my memory picks up in the early 70s.

improbus
10-17-2009, 09:02 PM
Clyde sounds like one of the baseball old timers getting self-righteous about the current game. The travelling thing really hasn't changed, and that includes his days, at least when my memory picks up in the early 70s.
And that was when guard play started to become a bigger part of the game.

WebScorpion
10-26-2009, 02:00 PM
I think they should just outlaw dribbling altogether. Give them three or four steps before they have to dispose of the ball. It's the natural evolution of the game. :ughmamoru
I haven't watched a whole NBA game in decades. Every time I catch a game on TV when there's nothing else on, I have to hurl sometime within the first two or three minutes.
:thumbdown

improbus
10-26-2009, 06:37 PM
I think they should just outlaw dribbling altogether. Give them three or four steps before they have to dispose of the ball. It's the natural evolution of the game. :ughmamoru
I haven't watched a whole NBA game in decades. Every time I catch a game on TV when there's nothing else on, I have to hurl sometime within the first two or three minutes.
:thumbdown

How can you watch '00's baseball? The lack of fundamentals, the pathetically shrunken strike-zone. All sports change, and I see the travelling thing as an evolution of the game.

*BaseClogger*
10-26-2009, 07:31 PM
How can you watch '00's baseball? The lack of fundamentals, the pathetically shrunken strike-zone. All sports change, and I see the travelling thing as an evolution of the game.

The change in baseball compared to most other sports--especially basketball--is minuscule...

Roy Tucker
10-27-2009, 12:52 PM
It has been around in my memory, spanning back to the early 70s.


It was there in the late 60's. Selectively enforced though. The superstars got 2 steps, everyone else got 1 1/2 steps and the 1/2 step was a maybe. RHIP.

One thing I've noticed about baseball while watching older games on MLB Network, the checked swing strike used to be called on intent, not if the bat went over the plate. It used to be if a guy tried to check his swing, it was a ball. First few times I saw it, I yelled at the TV "ump, he went around!" (which is really silly when you consider the game happened 40+ years ago and 1/2 of the guys in it are dead).

And I like the NBA. The game has changed, so what? College will adopt this 2 step rule within 5 years. They allow it to an extent now.

traderumor
10-27-2009, 04:44 PM
How can you watch '00's baseball? The lack of fundamentals, the pathetically shrunken strike-zone. All sports change, and I see the travelling thing as an evolution of the game.It has always been true that if you want a kid to learn the fundamentals of baseball, the less they watch of the major leaguers, the better ;)

improbus
10-27-2009, 07:26 PM
The change in baseball compared to most other sports--especially basketball--is minuscule...
I'm not too sure that I agree. Here are just some of the changes I see over the last 20 years.

-Decrease in the size of the strikezone (which has led to the OBP revolution. Think about trying to take walks when strikes are called at the letters)
-De-emphasis on speed (which has slowly started to growow look back).
-The offensive changes at the middle infield positions
-The increase in pitching specialization
-Steroids/Weight Room

Baseball in 2009 doesn't look all that much like baseball in 1989.