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macro
11-06-2009, 10:18 AM
His former teammate Joey Porter tied for second on the list, with three current or former Steelers making the top ten.

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/11/04/dirty/index.html

Posted: Wednesday November 4, 2009 1:01PM; Updated: Wednesday November 4, 2009 3:25PM

Dirtiest NFL Player: Steelers' Ward
By Richard Deitsch, SI.com

Hines Ward (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/4323) is the dirtiest player in the NFL, according to a Sports Illustrated poll of 296 players released this week.

The Steelers' wide receiver, long considered the league's best blocking wide receiver, received 11.6 percent of the vote. He was followed by Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5901) (6.0), Dolphins linebacker Joey Porter (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/4723) (6.0), Bengals safety Roy Williams (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6766) (5.1) and Titans center Kevin Mawae (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/2826) (4.6). Titans cornerback Cortland Finnegan (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7964) (4.2), Rams guard Richie Incognito (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7257) (3.7), Falcons guard Harvey Dahl (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7663) (3.7), Steelers safety Troy Polamalu (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6352) (3.7) and Vikings defensive end Jared Allen (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/11962) (3.2) rounded out the top 10.

Ward, 33, has a long history of physical play. Last October, he was fined $15,000 for hits in back-to-back weeks that weren't penalized during the game. Later that month, Ward broke the jaw of Bengals rookie linebacker Keith Rivers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/8786) with a surprise downfield block. The hit, which ended Rivers' season, did not draw a flag. "That's what he's known for," Bengals safety Chinedum Ndukwe (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/8507) said. "He's a blind-side guy."

Discussing his reputation with SI last year, Ward said, "It's hard to sit there and tell everybody it's a violent sport but tone it down a little. When I go across the middle, those guys aren't going to tackle me softly and lay me down to the ground. That's not football. I find it ironic that now you see a receiver delivering blows, and it's an issue. But I haven't changed. I've been doing it this way for 11 years."

The poll was conducted in September and included some well-known names in the top 20: Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/3542) (3.2 percent), Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7188) (2.3 percent) and Jets linebacker Bart Scott (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6165) (2.3 percent). Former Patriots safety Rodney Harrison (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/2821), who retired last summer, received three votes.

The Broncos' Brandon Marshall (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7868), the only other receiver listed in the poll, received one vote. No running backs were selected, but one quarterback did get a vote: the Titans' Vince Young (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7752).

GIDP
11-06-2009, 10:42 AM
Well considering how much they get in trouble off the field I dont find this surprising.

Dom Heffner
11-07-2009, 10:20 PM
The league will be better once he's gone. Overrated and dirty, great combo. My least favorite athlete of all time.

Why some defensive player just doesn't take him out for good is a testament to how well most players play the game.

Yachtzee
11-08-2009, 12:11 AM
I notice most of the players listed in the article have ties to either the Steelers, Ravens or Titans. I have to wonder if team culture plays a roll as well. I seem to remember the Broncos being considered a very dirty team under Shanahan when Alex Gibbs was promoting his scheme focusing on cut blocks. In this article (http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/100205/jag_19924406.shtml), former players talk about Gibbs directives on using cut blocks to take opponents out at the legs. You have to wonder about teams that seem to produce (or seek out) dirty players.

oneupper
11-08-2009, 07:44 AM
Porter plays for my Dolphins and I wish he didn't.

GAC
11-08-2009, 09:06 AM
All-time IMO..... no contest.

The Assassin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJrDYQwwbuY

He made you regret ever wanting to play professional football.

Football is a contact sport. Now I don't say that to condone blindside hits, or players who play dirty; but the truth of the matter is - growing up I loved the hard hitting, smashing type of football. Guys came off that field bloodied and beaten.

And they also didn't have the uniform padding/protection, and rules, that they had today. I don't even know if there were rules back then. :lol:

In the last issue of ESPN's Insider Carson Palmer said that somebody is gonna get killed in the NFL. Carson - be glad you didn't play the game 30-40 years ago. The style of play then shortened the careers of quite a few great QB's.

But growing up, I loved players like Dick Butkus, Deacon Jones, Mean Joe Green, and of course - Jack Lambert.

Tommyjohn25
11-08-2009, 10:57 AM
All-time IMO..... no contest.

The Assassin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJrDYQwwbuY

He made you regret ever wanting to play professional football.

Football is a contact sport. Now I don't say that to condone blindside hits, or players who play dirty; but the truth of the matter is - growing up I loved the hard hitting, smashing type of football. Guys came off that field bloodied and beaten.

And they also didn't have the uniform padding/protection, and rules, that they had today. I don't even know if there were rules back then. :lol:

In the last issue of ESPN's Insider Carson Palmer said that somebody is gonna get killed in the NFL. Carson - be glad you didn't play the game 30-40 years ago. The style of play then shortened the careers of quite a few great QB's.

But growing up, I loved players like Dick Butkus, Deacon Jones, Mean Joe Green, and of course - Jack Lambert.

I was gonna say something similar to this GAC. ESPN, Roger Goodell, and Fantasy football have made people forget what kind of sport football is. Contact. Now you have quarterbacks asking for flags (and getting them) when someone touches a thread on their skirt...err....pants, fans spending more time complaining about hits that most of the time don't even draw flags than they do watching the game, and you get polls like this one to feed the beast. In 20 years, at this pace, the sport will be unrecognizeable. QB's will wear flags and red shirts and defenses will have to count to 10 before they can rush. Defense will be a thing of the past, which is a shame. The NFL wants flashy, high octane passing offenses and the majority of fans are buying into the hype. Count me out. I like FOOTBALL. Hard, gritty, down and dirty football. Beat your opponent and take their lunch money when you're done. Not cheating. Beating. All I hear anymore from the place I go and watch football is "Boo hooo...that play was dirty, boo hooo...that hit was too hard". Ugh, makes me sick. Thanks ESPN.

Yachtzee
11-08-2009, 11:52 AM
All-time IMO..... no contest.

The Assassin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJrDYQwwbuY

He made you regret ever wanting to play professional football.

Football is a contact sport. Now I don't say that to condone blindside hits, or players who play dirty; but the truth of the matter is - growing up I loved the hard hitting, smashing type of football. Guys came off that field bloodied and beaten.

And they also didn't have the uniform padding/protection, and rules, that they had today. I don't even know if there were rules back then. :lol:

In the last issue of ESPN's Insider Carson Palmer said that somebody is gonna get killed in the NFL. Carson - be glad you didn't play the game 30-40 years ago. The style of play then shortened the careers of quite a few great QB's.

But growing up, I loved players like Dick Butkus, Deacon Jones, Mean Joe Green, and of course - Jack Lambert.

A lot of these guys are some of the same guys who complain about the NFL and the players union aren't taking enough care of them with regard to pensions and health benefits. There seems to be a double standard. They talk about how great the old days were when you could hit harder and knock each others blocks off and denigrate today's players and rules for being too soft, but then they complain about all the health problems they have as a result of that hard play and whine about their pensions and health care.

If you're going to complain about how bad your life is today because you suffer from the long term effects of the hard and reckless style of play back in your time, then you shouldn't glorify guys who went out there trying to knock guys out. It seems ridiculous that players would complain about the long term effects of the concussions they received while talking about how great a guy was because he could knock someone unconscious. And you certainly shouldn't criticize the NFL for taking steps and changing rules intended to protect the health of the players. What's more important? Knocking someone's helmet off or trying to make sure the players on the field aren't suffering long term health problems from playing football? These guys sound like drug addicts who talk about how great it was to do drugs in their day and how drugs should be legal, but then also want free health care to help them with effects they suffer from lifelong drug use.

Dom Heffner
11-08-2009, 02:04 PM
You should hit hard and clean.

The rules protecting QB's are legit. The position demands that you not be 350 lbs.

It's not tough, manly, or fair to have open season on the QB.

GAC
11-08-2009, 09:16 PM
Yachtzee and Dom.... a lot of what you say I agree with absolutely. One thing that has changed is the massive amounts of money that is invested in players today, especially QBs, and that the NFL wants to protect their investments.

And the other aspect, and more important one, is that medical research and study, especially from examining many of those former NFL players, is showing the residual, long term effects of those years of abuse.

One discussion that has become a hot button item again are concussions.

They didn't know THEN what we know NOW, as far as the lasting, damaging effects of such hard, physical contact.

Last month, CBS 60 Minutes ran an excellent show on former NFL players, and the link between and trauma and dementia....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/08/60minutes/main5371686.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

NFL players sacrificing healthy brains to game.....http://scrippsnews.com/content/blount-nfl-players-sacrificing-healthy-brains-game

The list is quite comprehensive of former NFL players who today are suffering from various forms of dementia from all those years of hard hits and physical contact.

Dom Heffner
11-08-2009, 09:54 PM
Believe it or not, GAC, I agree with you as well- there is nothing like a good hard hitting football game. Your post was awesome, truthfully.

I think where I differ from others is that I don't like hard hits for the sake of hard hits.

I have a friend whom I argue with constantly over Hines Ward's hit on Keith Rivers last season.

It comes down to this for me: I know the hit was "legal." But that doesn't mean you take that hit on somebody just becuase you can.

People like Hines Ward, for me, show what they are about when they do that.

The fact the NFL changed the rule, named it after him, shows that while the hit may have been legal, it wasn't the type of play they wanted to continue seeing.

All I know is if Hines Ward played against a team I owned, I'd sign the worst football player on earth and have him end that dude on the cheapest hit ever seen in the NFL and they'd both be out of the league for life. I can't believe the Ravens haven't found a way to pay him back.

Football is a violent sport, yes- but when you use that fact to go around and cheap shot people you're an idiot.

Anyhoo, GAC, thanks for the video and reminding me of being a kid.

DTCromer
11-09-2009, 11:56 AM
I'm still trying to figure out how Hines Ward is dirty.

GIDP
11-09-2009, 01:05 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how Hines Ward is dirty.

Cheapshots = Dirty

Seems pretty reasonable

redhawkfish
11-09-2009, 01:15 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how Hines Ward is dirty.

I am too!

DTCromer
11-09-2009, 01:38 PM
Cheapshots = Dirty

Seems pretty reasonable

You mean like the clean one on Keith Rivers?

I'm still laughing at that "cheapshot" by Bengals fans. Those kinds of hits happen all the time on INT and Punt returns all the time, yet they aren't called "cheap" then.

GIDP
11-09-2009, 02:06 PM
You mean like the clean one on Keith Rivers?

I'm still laughing at that "cheapshot" by Bengals fans. Those kinds of hits happen all the time on INT and Punt returns all the time, yet they aren't called "cheap" then.

You must not pay attention then.

LoganBuck
11-09-2009, 02:11 PM
Cris Carter brought up an interesting point on the violence of the NFL, today on ESPN Radio. "The players are bigger, the padding is bigger, the money is bigger, the hits are bigger, why isn't the field bigger?" He proposed widening the field to cut down on the big hits.

What do you think?

acredsfan
11-09-2009, 02:11 PM
You mean like the clean one on Keith Rivers?

I'm still laughing at that "cheapshot" by Bengals fans. Those kinds of hits happen all the time on INT and Punt returns all the time, yet they aren't called "cheap" then.It'd be one thing if it was just bengals fans calling Hines a dirty player, but the fact is the players recognize it also. Look at the article that started this thread. Taking a shot at the head of Rivers was within the rules at the time, so you could call it clean by the rulebook at the time. Now it is considered a dirty play even according to the rules.

traderumor
11-09-2009, 02:51 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how Hines Ward is dirty.Your point of reference is what you can see that cameras have caught over the year AND that you saw what the camera caught. So, clearly your point of reference is limited to 3-4 plays a game if you watched every play of every game for the Steelers. Even then, you are still unqualified. Go to every game and watch only Hines Ward, then you have an educated opinion, or watch film of every game with a camera that includes what Hines Ward is doing on and off the ball and you might get an ear. Right now, you simply do not have enough evidence one way or the other.

DTCromer
11-09-2009, 02:59 PM
I loved Ndwukwe's quote: "He's a blind-side guy."

Lulz. . . how many blindside hits do we constantly see in a football game? I remember seeing one in a Bengals pre-season game on Special teams and NO ONE called the player out for it. In fact, many in the stands cheered.

Everyone would do it if they had the chance and Whines is just better at it.

Blindsiding a guy isn't dirty. Guys going helmet to helmet isn't dirty. Bad fundamentals? Yes, but not dirty. Tackling a QB at the knees as you're falling to the ground isn't dirty. The league has become soft and so have many of you football fans. I mean, how many on here thought Kimo's hit on Carson was dirty? It's football! Injuries happen!

I hate Fines more than most of you. I HATE the guy, but he plays hard.

Betterread
11-09-2009, 03:14 PM
All-time IMO..... no contest.

The Assassin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJrDYQwwbuY

He made you regret ever wanting to play professional football.

Football is a contact sport. Now I don't say that to condone blindside hits, or players who play dirty; but the truth of the matter is - growing up I loved the hard hitting, smashing type of football. Guys came off that field bloodied and beaten.

And they also didn't have the uniform padding/protection, and rules, that they had today. I don't even know if there were rules back then. :lol:

In the last issue of ESPN's Insider Carson Palmer said that somebody is gonna get killed in the NFL. Carson - be glad you didn't play the game 30-40 years ago. The style of play then shortened the careers of quite a few great QB's.

But growing up, I loved players like Dick Butkus, Deacon Jones, Mean Joe Green, and of course - Jack Lambert.


Sorry, but the scariest player ever has to be Lawrence Taylor - "my favorite hits were the ones that popped a snot bubble out of the ballcarrier's nose".

GIDP
11-09-2009, 03:15 PM
Injuries are a part of the game but Hines goes out of his way to make injuries happen. Going helmet to helmet is designed to try to knock someone out. Stepping on someone is designed to get someone hurt. Blasting someone from a blindside when a guy is running out of bounds is designed to get someone hurt. There are blocks but then there are blocks by Ward which are really cheapshots that he will say is a block. The guy does it a lot and its earned him the dirtiest player in the league by the players. I think its safe to say the players know what is dirty and what isnt.

Maybe I'm just crazy but its pretty easy to distinguish between a clean hit and a dirty hit.

camisadelgolf
11-09-2009, 03:19 PM
There's a difference between trying to hit someone and trying to hurt someone. Whines Hard tries to hurt people.

traderumor
11-09-2009, 03:19 PM
I loved Ndwukwe's quote: "He's a blind-side guy."

Lulz. . . how many blindside hits do we constantly see in a football game? I remember seeing one in a Bengals pre-season game on Special teams and NO ONE called the player out for it. In fact, many in the stands cheered.

Everyone would do it if they had the chance and Whines is just better at it.

Blindsiding a guy isn't dirty. Guys going helmet to helmet isn't dirty. Bad fundamentals? Yes, but not dirty. Tackling a QB at the knees as you're falling to the ground isn't dirty. The league has become soft and so have many of you football fans. I mean, how many on here thought Kimo's hit on Carson was dirty? It's football! Injuries happen!

I hate Fines more than most of you. I HATE the guy, but he plays hard.Obviously, there has to be some boundaries in a game such as this. Guys wearing armor over most of their body is revealing to the idea. You clearly have the "all's fair in love and war" mindset. "Soft" means "we're going to set some boundaries to make this game as safe as possible without totally neutering the sport." I think that is fair. If you want blood and gore, watch a cage match. That seems to be the equivalent of what you think a football game should look like.

Football is rough enough and most of the measures do nothing to take away from the game, with one qualifier--when refs properly interpret the rule. The biggest problem I see with the safety rules is that the refs call them too strictly, not with the intent of making the game safer.

Hoosier Red
11-09-2009, 03:32 PM
I do wish Bengals players would stop commenting for stories on him. The last thing the Bengals need to project is that they are intimidated by him.

Yachtzee
11-09-2009, 03:40 PM
I loved Ndwukwe's quote: "He's a blind-side guy."

Lulz. . . how many blindside hits do we constantly see in a football game? I remember seeing one in a Bengals pre-season game on Special teams and NO ONE called the player out for it. In fact, many in the stands cheered.

Everyone would do it if they had the chance and Whines is just better at it.

Blindsiding a guy isn't dirty. Guys going helmet to helmet isn't dirty. Bad fundamentals? Yes, but not dirty. Tackling a QB at the knees as you're falling to the ground isn't dirty. The league has become soft and so have many of you football fans. I mean, how many on here thought Kimo's hit on Carson was dirty? It's football! Injuries happen!

I hate Fines more than most of you. I HATE the guy, but he plays hard.

Actually, some of those things are dirty and illegal, particularly going helmet to helmet. I'd say that the fact the players have designated him a cheap shot artist goes a long way toward whether he's a dirty player or not. Ward should thank his lucky stars right know that he hasn't hit some guy the wrong way and caused permanent disability to himself or the other guy.

If you're such a fan of that kind of play, then I'm sure you'd be more than happy to work in hospice care changing these guys' diapers when they develop dementia from all the concussions they got while making those "hard" plays you seem to enjoy.

Yachtzee
11-09-2009, 03:43 PM
Obviously, there has to be some boundaries in a game such as this. Guys wearing armor over most of their body is revealing to the idea. You clearly have the "all's fair in love and war" mindset. "Soft" means "we're going to set some boundaries to make this game as safe as possible without totally neutering the sport." I think that is fair. If you want blood and gore, watch a cage match. That seems to be the equivalent of what you think a football game should look like.

Football is rough enough and most of the measures do nothing to take away from the game, with one qualifier--when refs properly interpret the rule. The biggest problem I see with the safety rules is that the refs call them too strictly, not with the intent of making the game safer.

I'd say the problem with calling these plays are that they aren't called consistently rather than being called too strictly.

SeeinRed
11-09-2009, 04:34 PM
I loved Ndwukwe's quote: "He's a blind-side guy."

Lulz. . . how many blindside hits do we constantly see in a football game? I remember seeing one in a Bengals pre-season game on Special teams and NO ONE called the player out for it. In fact, many in the stands cheered.

Everyone would do it if they had the chance and Whines is just better at it.

Blindsiding a guy isn't dirty. Guys going helmet to helmet isn't dirty. Bad fundamentals? Yes, but not dirty. Tackling a QB at the knees as you're falling to the ground isn't dirty. The league has become soft and so have many of you football fans. I mean, how many on here thought Kimo's hit on Carson was dirty? It's football! Injuries happen!

I hate Fines more than most of you. I HATE the guy, but he plays hard.

Hines Ward's hit on Rivers was clean according to the rule book, I'll give you that. However, just because you have a blindside hit on a player doesn't mean you try and knock their heads off. Honestly, Rivers was lucky to walk away with a broken jaw. He was completely defenseless and Ward was clearly going for blood. A shot head to head like that could've definately had life altering affects. You may call that "clean" because there are no rules against it, but I call it dirty because it wasn't neccesary. You want to take him out of the play, block him out of bounds or hit on the pads. Ward threw his body at him full speed when he wasn't looking and was seemingly aiming for the head. Thats the ultimate definition of a cheap shot in my book. That is not what football is about, and I don't want to watch a game where that is considered just part of it.

macro
11-10-2009, 12:01 AM
You may call that "clean" because there are no rules against it, but I call it dirty because it wasn't neccesary.

Someone mentioned this earlier, but the NFL agreed with us. That play is now against the rules.

macro
11-10-2009, 12:22 AM
I notice most of the players listed in the article have ties to either the Steelers, Ravens or Titans. I have to wonder if team culture plays a roll as well...You have to wonder about teams that seem to produce (or seek out) dirty players.

I have been watching the NFL since 1975, and the Steelers have been a rough (and sometimes dirty) bunch for most of those 35 seasons.

Of course in the 70s there was Jack Lambert, and I'll never forget the Monday Night Football game in 1983 when defensive end Keith Gary grabbed Ken Anderson's face mask and twisted his head around 180 degrees, in what seemed to be an attempt to remove it from his body. And then there was that play by Kimo in '05 and the hit by Hines last year. Teams are coached to be this way, so yes, team culture plays a major role.

That being said, it has frustrated me that the Bengals have not historically been as tough as teams like the Steelers, the old Raiders, etc. So many times I've seen them take it without dishing it out. I don't want to root for a dirty team, but I don't like to see my favorite team get pushed around, either.

Brutus
11-10-2009, 12:34 AM
Until a few years ago, I would not have really known what to think about a poll like this. However, I was fortunate enough to hear some off-the-record stories from a former high-profile NFL player that made my stomach turn. I never realized how vicious it was in the NFL.

These stories - the biting, clawing, kneeing, kicking, groin shots, etc., that the cameras don't show and the refs don't often catch are the reason a guy like Hines Ward might get such a reputation. If you're bad enough that over 30 of your peers out of about 300 name you the dirtiest player in the league - trust me, you're delivering some R-rated content out there on the field on a weekly basis that the common fan is not hearing about.

George Foster
11-10-2009, 01:31 AM
If I were on the Bengals, I would be more than happy to pay my share of the fine and the suspension to anybody who would hit Ward the same way he hit Rivers. To me, it should be just like baseball. You have to protect your teammates. It is amazing that Ward is still walking after 11 years in the league...it really is. I think his luck might just run out this Sunday...:D What would I give for that ESPN highlight on Sunday night!

GAC
11-10-2009, 09:59 AM
I agree with you (below) Dom. And I'm definitely not a Hines Ward fan. IMO he is not in the same class of those former greats I referred to previously -those guys who went out onto the field and gave it as good as they took it. And yeah, they have paid for it physically now. They left everything they had on that field.

A guy like Hines Ward, and there are some others, wouldn't survive in the game of yesteryear IMO. Ward is the kind of guy who would love to catch you when you're not looking, run up and take a cheap shot, because he is too much of a chicken**** to do it to your face. And if the same was done to him (which I'd love to see), he'd be the first whining to the league.

You can only hope that players of his "caliber" will get there's on that field some day.


Believe it or not, GAC, I agree with you as well- there is nothing like a good hard hitting football game. Your post was awesome, truthfully.

I think where I differ from others is that I don't like hard hits for the sake of hard hits.

I have a friend whom I argue with constantly over Hines Ward's hit on Keith Rivers last season.

It comes down to this for me: I know the hit was "legal." But that doesn't mean you take that hit on somebody just becuase you can.

People like Hines Ward, for me, show what they are about when they do that.

The fact the NFL changed the rule, named it after him, shows that while the hit may have been legal, it wasn't the type of play they wanted to continue seeing.

All I know is if Hines Ward played against a team I owned, I'd sign the worst football player on earth and have him end that dude on the cheapest hit ever seen in the NFL and they'd both be out of the league for life. I can't believe the Ravens haven't found a way to pay him back.

Football is a violent sport, yes- but when you use that fact to go around and cheap shot people you're an idiot.

Anyhoo, GAC, thanks for the video and reminding me of being a kid.

RichRed
11-10-2009, 10:47 AM
How can Ward be a dirty player? He's always smiling and just loves playing football!

Just ask every dimwitted broadcaster who's ever done a Steelers game.

blumj
11-11-2009, 12:37 PM
I think it's hysterical that Rodney Harrison still got votes in this poll, maybe he's been taking too many cheap shots at Chris Collinsworth and Tony Dungy on "Football Night in America".

Dom Heffner
11-11-2009, 09:29 PM
How can Ward be a dirty player? He's always smiling and just loves playing football!

Just ask every dimwitted broadcaster who's ever done a Steelers game.

I love this post.

macro
11-12-2009, 02:36 AM
How can Ward be a dirty player? He's always smiling and just loves playing football!

Just ask every dimwitted broadcaster who's ever done a Steelers game.

I've never understood the constant smiling from Ward. Incomplete pass that sails ten feet over his head on third down, he trots off the field grinning like a Cheshire cat. It just doesn't make sense.

RichRed
11-12-2009, 11:55 AM
I've never understood the constant smiling from Ward. Incomplete pass that sails ten feet over his head on third down, he trots off the field grinning like a Cheshire cat. It just doesn't make sense.

It's almost like it's a nervous tic or something. Or he's just pure evil.

Eric_the_Red
11-12-2009, 01:35 PM
It's almost like it's a nervous tic or something. Or he's just pure evil.

I vote the latter.

WebScorpion
11-13-2009, 03:27 AM
I've never understood the constant smiling from Ward. Incomplete pass that sails ten feet over his head on third down, he trots off the field grinning like a Cheshire cat. It just doesn't make sense.

Prozac.
:D

macro
11-14-2009, 11:45 AM
Chick mentions the same three incidents that I referred to earlier in this thread...



http://cincinnati.com/blogs/ludwig/2009/11/13/back-off-steelers-fans/

Back off, Steelers fans
Posted by cludwig November 13th, 2009, 2:57 pm Read Comments(241) Recommend(6)

THE STEELERS PLAY HARD, BUT DO THEY PLAY CLEAN?

Pardon the interruption prior to kickoff in the biggest game of the 2009 National Football League’s regular season, but I sure wish the NFL would take a long, strong look at how the Pittsburgh Steelers conduct business on the field.

They’re not a tough team to track. They leave bruised, battered and broken bodies strewn across gridirons wherever they go.

“Typing Away With Chick Ludwig” has been inundated with E-mails proclaiming the purity and sanctity of Saint Hines Ward and his teammates, about how they play “good, clean, hard football.”

Don’t tell me that Keith Gary trying to rip off Ken Anderson’s head, Kimo von Oelhoffen’s smashing into Carson Palmer’s left knee and Ward’s vicious block that fractured Keith Rivers’ jaw constitute the best the game has to offer.

Two of those plays caused rule changes. So my fervent hope is that the NFL is watching and paying attention, and will continue to do so.

My message to Steelers fans is this: Don’t kill the messenger. Ward was deemed the league’s dirtiest player in a Sports Illustrated poll, and I just happen to strongly agree with it.

LET’S TAKE A WALK DOWN MEMORY LANE …

KEITH GARY …

“Longtime Bengals observers still remember the night of Oct. 10, 1983, when Steelers defensive end Keith Gary yanked quarterback Ken Anderson,s head like a twist-off, soda-pop bottle.”

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Gary_Keith_912050343.aspx

KIMO VON OELHOFFEN …

From Wikipedia:

“The so-called “Kimo Clause” now requires that defenders take every opportunity to avoid hitting a quarterback at or below the knees when the quarterback is in a defenseless position looking to throw with both feet on the ground.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimo_von_Oelhoffen

HINES WARD …

His vicious block on Rivers triggered the “Hines Ward Rule,” which outlaws high, blind-side hits.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4498184

BACK-BACK-BACK…

From Steelers.com

April 1977: Chuck Noll was summoned to Oakland for depositions in the defamation suit filed by George Atkinson over the famous “criminal element” remarks Noll made the day after the 1976 NFL season opener.

July 11, 1977: As a witness during the trial, Noll was forced to include Joe Greene, Mel Blount and Glen Edwards as players who also were part of the criminal element because of their own dirty play.

July 16, 1977: Blount reacted to this by threatening to quit the Steelers, and he also said he planned to sue Noll for $5 million.

http://news.steelers.com/article/78767

BOTTOM LINE

The six-time Super Bowl champions are a franchise to be respected, but not admired.