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robmadden1
11-06-2009, 03:30 PM
CINCINNATI -- The Reds want catcher Ramon Hernandez to return for 2010, but not for the $8.5 million figure his club option calls for.

"We're not going to pick up the option," Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said on Friday. "We have been talking with his agent and trying to negotiate a new deal. We're hoping he comes back."

The buyout for the Hernandez option is $1 million. Acquired last winter from the Orioles in a trade for utility player Ryan Freel and two prospects, Hernandez batted .258 with five home runs and 37 RBIs in 81 games. Only July 21, Hernandez had arthroscopic surgery to clean out his left knee and he missed 57 games. He also made 21 starts in place of Joey Votto at first base.

Should he not return to Cincinnati at a reduced price and hit the open market, Hernandez is rated a Type B free agent by Elias. If he is offered arbitration, it would mean the Reds would receive a first-round sandwich pick in the 2010 Draft as compensation.

Without Hernandez, the Reds would likely have Ryan Hanigan as the primary catcher. While Hanigan is better defensively than Hernandez, they would probably want someone that can bring more offense.

In other roster moves, the Reds sent backup catcher Corky Miller and reserve outfielder Darnell McDonald outright to Triple-A Louisville. In 21 games for the Reds, Miller hit .179, but was a strong presence behind the plate. Reds pitchers were 13-5 with a 3.02 ERA when he caught.

McDonald batted .267 in 47 games over two big league stints in 2009, but hit .323 (21-for-65) after his second callup on Aug. 25. Both Miller and McDonald could return to the team under Minor League deals. If the Reds didn't retain Hernandez or land another catcher, Miller would have a strong shot at the backup catcher's job next season. The light-hitting Craig Tatum is the only other catcher on the Reds' 40-man roster.

"The hope is we can get them re-signed for next year," Jocketty said of Miller and McDonald. "We needed space on the roster because we have so many guys to protect."

The Reds' 40-man roster currently stands at 37 players with three more on the 60-day disabled list.

The Reds are still looking around for a regular shortstop but can cross J.J. Hardy off their list. Hardy, who was dealt from the Brewers to the Twins for center fielder Carlos Gomez, was on the Cincinnati radar.

"We talked to [the Brewers] several times," Jocketty said. "We didn't match up and they didn't want to trade within our division, which was understandable."

Jocketty also said the Reds have talked to the agents for arbitration-eligible outfielders Jonny Gomes and Laynce Nix. Teams have a Dec. 12 deadline to tender contracts but with the Reds trying to hold the line on payroll, it's not a lock either player will be offered arbitration.

"We've talked a little bit," Jocketty said of negotiations with Gomes and Nix.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091106&content_id=7632128&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

Ghosts of 1990
11-06-2009, 03:48 PM
I have to say, I agree with the decision. That's too much money for a guy who won't hit 20 HR and play 140 games.

Now if he'll come back at around half that, you'd have to take a flier on him or even make a multi-year deal I'd think.

Redsfan320
11-06-2009, 04:15 PM
I'm inclined to agree with JayBruce32. While 8.5 Mil. is too much for him, I think he definitely could be good for the club. While his stats are not the greatest, he was an at least decent RH bat with some experience.

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Kingspoint
11-06-2009, 04:46 PM
I have to say, I agree with the decision. That's too much money for a guy who won't hit 20 HR and play 140 games.

Now if he'll come back at around half that, you'd have to take a flier on him or even make a multi-year deal I'd think.

agree

RedsFan5077
11-06-2009, 08:19 PM
Really? You would really want to pay 4 million to a guy who is producing at replacement level? I'd let him walk if he wouldn't sign for $1 million or less.

Kingspoint
11-07-2009, 04:05 AM
RedsFan5077, I know others will agree with me, that he brings a ton of intangibles and would be one of the leaders on the team. As a Catcher, the way he produces w/ RISP, his toughness, and experience and leadership, he'd be well worth the money that they were willing to pay Taveras.

Redsfan320
11-07-2009, 10:10 AM
I like Kingspoint's post. I agree with what he said about Hernandez's intangibles, even if his stats aren't that great. (Hanigan can handle the stats [at least defensively], offensively I'd like to see his RBI go up.)

Vottomatic
11-07-2009, 12:57 PM
I'd pay him $2.5M for 2 years. That would be my best offer. He's coming off injury, and I think he'll get lowballed by every club out there anyway.

fourrunhomer
11-07-2009, 02:19 PM
I'd offer 1.5 to 2 million. We have to keep in mind that we are already paying him 1 million because we did not pick up his option.

Vottomatic
11-07-2009, 07:31 PM
I'd offer 1.5 to 2 million. We have to keep in mind that we are already paying him 1 million because we did not pick up his option.

Good point. $3 to $3.5 paid over 2 years?

Oxblood
11-09-2009, 03:42 PM
Still not sure why we went after him in the first place. Didn't we give up a pretty good prospect?

Vottomatic
11-09-2009, 05:22 PM
Still not sure why we went after him in the first place. Didn't we give up a pretty good prospect?

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20081209&content_id=3708984&vkey=pr_bal&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

Brandon Waring

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519397

Waring played most of last season in class A advanced. Made it to double A for 8 games. Hit 27 HR's and 90 rbis. K'd over 130 times.

Justin Turner

Vottomatic
11-10-2009, 07:42 PM
On the Hot Stove League tonight with Thom Brennaman, Walt Jocketty said he's had good conversations with Hernandez's agent, Eric Goldschmitt, and that Ramon would like to stay in Cincinnati. Jocketty outright said he expected a deal to get completed in the next 2 weeks. I was surprised he was so positive about it.

vottofan4life
11-10-2009, 08:50 PM
just saw that tigers are shopping edwin jackson..
how about the reds acquire curtis granderson,carlos guillen,and edwin jackson
tigers acquire jay bruce, aaron harang, willy taveras, mike lincoln, and jared burton

reds sign dye to 1 year deal wit an option

trade cordero to rays for andy sonnaistine, reid brignac, and 2 more minor leaguers

camisadelgolf
11-10-2009, 09:31 PM
just saw that tigers are shopping edwin jackson..
how about the reds acquire curtis granderson,carlos guillen,and edwin jackson
tigers acquire jay bruce, aaron harang, willy taveras, mike lincoln, and jared burton

reds sign dye to 1 year deal wit an option

trade cordero to rays for andy sonnaistine, reid brignac, and 2 more minor leaguers
It's a nice thought, but the trades aren't reasonable imo. For example, the Rays would trade neither Sonnanstine nor Brignac straight up for Cordero, let alone both and two prospects.

Redsfan320
11-11-2009, 08:53 AM
just saw that tigers are shopping edwin jackson..
how about the reds acquire curtis granderson,carlos guillen,and edwin jackson
tigers acquire jay bruce, aaron harang, willy taveras, mike lincoln, and jared burton

I like this trade except for two things:

1. I'm not quite sure I want to give up Bruce.

2. This is the bigger reason: Granderson would block Stubbs, who I want starting next year.

bgwilly31
11-11-2009, 06:45 PM
Put me in the Ramon isnt worth 8.5 million boat.

By a long shot.

vottofan4life
11-11-2009, 09:25 PM
Put Granderson in Rf along with heisey
Dye in LF
Stubbs in CF

camisadelgolf
11-11-2009, 09:29 PM
Put Granderson in Rf along with heisey
Dye in LF
Stubbs in CF
And where's the money going to come from? The Reds are already, at best, at the maximum their budget can go.

Vottomatic
11-12-2009, 12:56 PM
And where's the money going to come from? The Reds are already, at best, at the maximum their budget can go.

Yeah, I agree. At this point in time, people might as well put to bed any ideas of trading or signing free agents that will add to the payroll. Considering management is already talking about cutting payroll, we pretty much know we're going to war with the young guys.

Redsfan320
11-16-2009, 06:55 PM
Put Granderson in Rf along with heisey
Dye in LF
Stubbs in CF

On the field (not sure what I'd do about the money), I like this, except with Gomes in left. We don't need to spend even more dough on Dye.

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