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Roy Tucker
11-17-2009, 05:55 PM
http://www.freep.com/article/20091117/NEWS05/911170324/



November 17, 2009

Silverdome fetches $583,000

Soccer teams could use it

BY MELANIE D. SCOTT, JOHN GALLAGHER and KEVIN BULL
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

The Pontiac Silverdome and its 127 adjacent acres could become home to a Major League Soccer team now that the city has accepted a bid of $583,000 from a Toronto-based real estate company to buy the facility.

Williams & Williams, the Tulsa, Okla., real estate firm conducting the auction of the vacant stadium, announced Monday that the unidentified winning bidder plans to use the complex for a men's Major League Soccer team and women's professional soccer.

"Many people said they were going to be bidding tens of millions of dollars and that's easy to say if you're not going to put up the money," said Fred Leeb, Pontiac's emergency financial manager.

A purchase price of $583,000 shows how depressed the real estate market has become.

In 2005, suburban developers headed by the firm Schostak Brothers offered nearly $20 million for the Silverdome, but the deal fell apart as the city delayed taking the offer.

And last year, a $17.5-million plan to turn it into a horse racetrack, hotel and conference center also fell through.

"A number of people talked about plans, but no one came up with the money," Leeb said.

As far as an MLS team coming to Pontiac, Senior Vice President Dan Courtemanche said Monday night: "Although we have reviewed the Detroit market since the league's inception, we are not in any discussions with the Silverdome to bring a Major League Soccer team to Detroit."

MLS Commissioner Don Garber said Monday in his state of the league address that he believes the league, which currently has 15 teams, will eventually have 20, but did not give a timetable.

The successful bidder's name is to be released when final details are worked out and the sale closes, which could take up to 45 days, Leeb said.

westofyou
11-17-2009, 06:31 PM
When I was kid we used to go to Tiger Stadium for football games, when the Silverdome was built it was like a big part of Lions football history had died, since then they've become even more irrelevent.

What a dump that place was, what a place for the Bengals to have their 1st Super Bowl.

cumberlandreds
11-18-2009, 10:25 AM
One of the first years the Lions played there,maybe the first year, I watched a game from there and the roof was leaking buckets of water. It must have been a dump from the start.

Boston Red
11-18-2009, 10:57 AM
I think they overpaid.

Roy Tucker
11-18-2009, 11:38 AM
It cost $55.7M to build in 1975. Probably $200M+ now.

Shows how devastated the economy is in that part of the country.

bucksfan2
11-18-2009, 11:45 AM
It cost $55.7M to build in 1975. Probably $200M+ now.

Shows how devastated the economy is in that part of the country.

Wonder what kind of taxes they will have to pay. Im surprised they didn't level it when they built Ford Field.

macro
11-18-2009, 12:43 PM
I always wanted my own stadium. As a kid I though it would be cool to have a miniature version of Riverfront Stadium in the field beside my house. Getting the Silverdome disassembled and transported back to Kentucky would have been a nightmare, though.

15fan
11-18-2009, 01:12 PM
Does the purchase price include a 1 year home warranty?

dsmith421
11-18-2009, 01:17 PM
Given the fact that MLS is already committed to expansion in Philadelphia, Vancouver, and Portland over the next two years and the league's stated dislike of artificial surfaces, I have no clue why these people think there's any chance of getting a franchise.

Sea Ray
11-18-2009, 03:26 PM
Given the fact that MLS is already committed to expansion in Philadelphia, Vancouver, and Portland over the next two years and the league's stated dislike of artificial surfaces, I have no clue why these people think there's any chance of getting a franchise.

My guess is this won't be the last sale of that piece of property. I'm sure there are 4 bedroom houses worth more than $583,000 in the 'burbs of Detroit. Amazing...

KronoRed
11-18-2009, 05:02 PM
Given the fact that MLS is already committed to expansion in Philadelphia, Vancouver, and Portland over the next two years and the league's stated dislike of artificial surfaces, I have no clue why these people think there's any chance of getting a franchise.

Rip the roof off and install grass, save on AC bills to :D

BuckeyeRed27
11-19-2009, 08:19 PM
My guess is this won't be the last sale of that piece of property. I'm sure there are 4 bedroom houses worth more than $583,000 in the 'burbs of Detroit. Amazing...

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/32409-Maria-Ct-Livonia-MI-48152/2139623956_zpid/

That's not that far away. It's only 7000 sq ft too!

Roy Tucker
10-06-2010, 05:41 PM
Attending a Bands of America marching band regional competition at the Silverdome this weekend.

We've been assured its all fixed up.

Sea Ray
10-07-2010, 12:50 AM
Attending a Bands of America marching band regional competition at the Silverdome this weekend.

We've been assured its all fixed up.

Report back with your observations

macro
10-07-2010, 02:57 AM
Is Hacksaw Reynolds still standing at the goal line, daring anyone to try and cross? :(

Roy Tucker
10-07-2010, 09:10 AM
Is Hacksaw Reynolds still standing at the goal line, daring anyone to try and cross? :(

My 5'1" 100 lb trumpet playing daughter will take him on. She's feisty :)

redsfan_12
10-09-2010, 01:42 AM
I thought they tore this down LOL. I went there to the Motor City bowl to see the Herd 3 times..what a dump that place was

RBA
10-09-2010, 10:20 PM
Pot convention in Silverdome is being moved to different venue.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20101007/METRO02/10070385/1410/METRO01/Pot-convention-nixed-at-Silverdome-may-move-to-Cobo

Topcat
10-13-2010, 05:21 AM
Patch it up and turn the dang place into one serious wicked bachelor pad! yes that is exactly what I would do if I had tons of cash. the partys would be epic and wow a guy could have some serious fun living there lol.

Roy Tucker
10-13-2010, 09:37 AM
It was passable as a band and sports venue.

It was cleaned up on the inside with a new inflatable roof put on it. It looked like they had painted the outside. Inside, no scoreboards were operational. No clocks for that matter. They only had 2 concession booths open for a crowd of probably about 5K. In the afternoon sessions, it was well-lit by the daylight. The night time finals were a little dark. The field is well-lit but the stands just caught the light from the field and were dark. And I don't think they turned on the heat. Sweatshirts and jeans were the minimum with lots of folks in jackets.

My daughter said the field turf was very short and not at all like Lucas Oil Stadium or Edward Jones Dome (Mason HS has played those venues plus will be at the Georgia Dome in a few weeks). She said that moving the band from the parking lot through the air lock was a little spooky. And the echo in the place was unbelievable. No acoustics at all.

The parking lot had the feel of an abandoned factory. We had a hotel room across the road from the dome, but we decided to drive over and back. Walking around that area seemed decidedly dicey.

The area around the dome was pretty depressed. Local restaurants were a little hard to find and they were very glad to see us. Driving through downtown Detroit was a real eye-opener. Pretty devastated looking.

But the best part was Mason HS marching band won their first ever Bands of America Regional. We've been doing marching band for 9 years now and this was the first time we'd won an event of this magnitude. I was thrilled beyond belief and the kids and staff were ecstatic. It completely took the sting off the Reds' losses for me. I have a big long story about this competition but won't bore you guys with it.

Pontiac, MI
October 9, 2010
Silverdome
Finals Results

■78.65 William Mason H.S., OH
■78.60 Plymouth-Canton Educ. Park H.S., MI
■75.15 West Bloomfield H.S., MI
■72.35 Walled Lake Central H.S., MI
■71.70 Lake Park H.S., IL
■70.90 Lake Orion H.S., MI
■70.85 Reeths-Puffer H.S., MI
■68.65 Victor J. Andrew H.S., IL
■68.60 Carroll H.S., IN
■68.55 Jenison H.S., MI

■Outstanding Music Performance - William Mason H.S., OH
■Outstanding Visual Performance - Plymouth-Canton Educ. Park H.S., MI
■Outstanding General Effect - Plymouth-Canton Educ. Park H.S., MI

reds1869
10-13-2010, 11:41 AM
■78.65 William Mason H.S., OH
■78.60 Plymouth-Canton Educ. Park H.S., MI
■75.15 West Bloomfield H.S., MI
■72.35 Walled Lake Central H.S., MI
■71.70 Lake Park H.S., IL
■70.90 Lake Orion H.S., MI
■70.85 Reeths-Puffer H.S., MI
■68.65 Victor J. Andrew H.S., IL
■68.60 Carroll H.S., IN
■68.55 Jenison H.S., MI

■Outstanding Music Performance - William Mason H.S., OH
■Outstanding Visual Performance - Plymouth-Canton Educ. Park H.S., MI
■Outstanding General Effect - Plymouth-Canton Educ. Park H.S., MI

Wow, well done taking out PCEP--that is very impressive! Good for Mason.

Roy Tucker
10-13-2010, 12:21 PM
Wow, well done taking out PCEP--that is very impressive! Good for Mason.

Someone knows marching band!!!

All right, I'll post my story sent to a good friend...

=====================================

Mason winning was one of the coolest moments of the last 15-20 years of my life.

Our main competitor was Plymouth-Canton Educational Park (PCEP). The reason for that long handle is that it is actually 3 large high schools (Plymouth, Canton, Salem) that are on one campus. They have over 6000 kids and the marching band is a try-out kind of thing and difficult to make. They are very talented, well-taught, great kids, great staff, and a perennial grand national finalist and they've won grand nationals 3 times. Probably one of the top 10 bands in the country and a formidable opponent. We just hope to come close.

The way these competitions run is that there are about 30+ bands that play during the day. They are divided into 4 classes, A, AA, AAA, and AAAA (depends on school size). After the 30 bands play in the afternoon, they award class champions for each of the 4 classes plus best music, best visual, and best overall effect for all 4 classes. After that, they name the top 10 bands that play again that night to determine overall grand champion.

So, all the bands play, PCEP plays and they look great and Mason plays and we look great. Its a long day and it comes to class champion awards at 4:15. PCEP wins both music and visual for AAAA, but shockingly, Mason and PCEP tie for general effect. We were ecstatic this happened because it means we're very close (GE is a combination of music and vusal). Then they award AAAA class champions and its PCEP and we're second. But that's great because we are very close so we're very happy with this.

So, we come back to the dome that night and the 10 finals bands play. PCEP plays 8th and we play 9th. PCEP puts on a great show and we come out and play a great show. All of us Mason fans are happy because we are at least in the conversation as to who is best. But we really think PCEP will win just because of reputation.

You also have to understand that there are about 2000-3000 PCEP fans there (plymouth-canton is about 10 miles away) and maybe 50-75 Mason fans. A hardy few. The crowd is overwhelmingly PCEP plus most of the other bands are from Michigan as well so needless to say, an Ohio band is not a favorite.

So, they announce caption winners. Best visual is PCEP. The place goes crazy with all the PCEP fans. Best music is awarded. its Mason. waaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!! Our hardy little bunch goes bananas. We won a caption outright!!!! That alone made the evening. And then overall effect gets awarded and its PCEP but that's ok, we got one of the three captions and that is a huge deal.

So, then they announce the results starting at #10 and counting down to #1 the winner. I figure we are at least in the top 3 so Im not really worried for places #10-#5. So they get down the last 3. They announce #3 and its West Bloomfield (another excellent band) and I'm like phew, we're in the top 2 so I'm happy no matter what happens.

At this point, I fully expect PCEP to win. I can't say we played better than they did but I can darn sure say we played as well. And PCEP is a big national band and Mason is still trying to make a name for ourselves. So its time for #2 and I steel myself to hear "and second places goes to William Mason marching band" and the PCEP fans to go bonkers and I'm mentally practicing my speech to my daughter about how this is a great step forward.

So the PA guy says "and, with a score of 78.60, second places goes to <....... eternal pause .......> Plymouth-Canton Educational Park!".

Silence.

For about 2 seconds, you could hear a pin drop. The PCEP fans are stunned. We look at each other and go "what? WHAT??? oh my god, oh my god, OH MY GOD, WE WON!!!!! HOLY <expletive> WE WON!!! WE WON!!!!". Us little band of Mason fans go berserk. The rest of the whole freakin' dome is sitting on their hands in silence and we're leaping around hugging and high-fiving and going totally ape.

And then we realize we've broken a cardinal rule of marching band which is "respect thy opponent". So I have to tell everyone to shut up and sit down. Plymouth-Canton gets their 2nd trophy and we all clap.

And then PA announcer says "and, with a score of 78.65 ..." <and a groan comes from the PCEP fans because they realize they lost by an eyelash of .05> William Mason marching band!!!". We erupt again and the kids on the field go bananas and the PCEP fans (to their credit) warmly applaud.

So the fans all file out and we are standing there still stunned. Again, to PCEP's credit, many of their fans stopped by us and told us "great show" and congratulations and shook hands with us and patted us on the back. I've only got nice things to say about them. All marching band parents know the amount of time and effort that goes into these shows. We mostly just babble away because we really don't know how to act after winning something like that and frankly we're just shocked.

So they dismiss all the other bands from the field and turn the field over to Mason to celebrate. The dome is empty except for us. Lots and lots of pictures are taken, daughter Lizzy is half crying/half laughing and is pretty overwhelmed by emotion. Most of the other kids are that same way. They take formation and play the music from their show again (without marching). Pretty impressive to hear from 20 feet away with gorgeous playing with much emotion. Then Mr. Bass (head director) tells the seniors to dismiss their band. So they do the same cheer they dismiss each practice with only this time the roar is so loud, it fills the stadium. Just awesome. I still get choked up just thinking about it.

There isn't enough money in the world to pay for moments like these. Just all very cool and I've never been so proud of a bunch of kids (and my kid) in my life.

cumberlandreds
10-13-2010, 02:13 PM
I don't know marching band stuff from the man in the moon but that was a great story,Roy! Thanks for taking the time to tell us. :thumbup:

NJReds
10-13-2010, 02:51 PM
Awesome story, Roy. Thanks for sharing, and congratulations.

Roy Tucker
10-14-2010, 08:16 PM
Story and pics...

http://www.pulsejournal.com/news/local-news/mason-high-school-marching-band-scores-top-spot-at-regional-championships-974409.html

http://projects.pulsejournal.com/cache/galleries/News/Local/101310masonband/

Roy Tucker
11-12-2011, 07:57 PM
So, as a Mason marching band coda, BOA Grand Nationals are being held at the Lucas Oil Stadium this weekend. Semi-finals were this afternoon. Mason HS marching band made nationals finals for the first time in their history.

My now freshman daughter at OSU was in attendance with all of her band friends at the stadium. They all went pretty well crazy. She said it was a little bittersweet since they missed finals last year by .05. But it was her class that showed the way. Before then, it had just been a pipe dream.

Finals order are:

Grand National Finals Schedule

7:45pm – Exhibition: Beechwood, KY
8:00pm – Marian Catholic, IL
8:15pm – Owasso, OK
8:30pm – Broken Arrow, OK
8:45pm – The Woodlands, TX
9:00pm – Avon, IN
9:15pm – Wando, SC
9:30pm – Lawrence Central, IN
9:45pm – William Mason, OH
10:00pm – Union, OK
10:15pm – Carmel, IN
10:30pm – Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX
10:45pm – Lafayette, LA